Sunday, September 18, 2016

Why you can't give an inch to these social justice warriors....if you want to have an American Heritage left at all.

Frustrated, armed with ropes, activist group plans to pull down Andrew Jackson Monument.

By Jeff Adelson New Orleans Advocate September 15, 2016

A New Orleans activist group is threatening to pull down the city's most recognizable statue in response to what members claim are unreasonable delays in removing four other monuments honoring Confederate leaders and a 19th century white supremacist militia.
Take 'Em Down NOLA says it will attempt to topple the statue of Andrew Jackson during a protest later this month in Jackson Square. Legal delays have kept the other statues -- honoring Confederate President Jefferson Davis, Confederate generals Robert E. Lee and P.G.T. Beauregard, and a militia known as the White League -- standing nine months after the City Council authorized their removal.  
"We're going to go to Jackson Square. We're going to put ropes around Andrew Jackson and we're going to take him down off his pedestal," Take 'Em Down organizer and longtime civil rights activist Malcolm Suber said during a forum the group held Thursday.
The demonstration, scheduled for Sept. 24, will come a few days before judges on the U.S. 5th Circuit Court of Appeals are scheduled to hear arguments over whether to lift an order that halted the removal of the monuments.
"The key is we're not going to wait," Take 'Em Down organizer Angela Kinlaw said. "The city has taken plenty of time to make a decision. But the people are ready to move."
It's not clear how serious or successful any attempt to remove the Andrew Jackson statue would be.
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Advocate staff photo by MATTHEW HINTON--Lee Circle in New Orleans, La. Thursday, July 9, 2015 where an 1884 monument to Confederate General Robert E. Lee was placed in what once was Tivoli Circle.
Asked whether protesters would actually try to wrestle the statue to the ground, Kinlaw said it was largely a symbolic effort, but that "anything can happen during a demonstration."
Suber said after the meeting that the effort would succeed "if we've got enough people and we've got enough rope."
Hayne Rainey, spokesman for Mayor Mitch Landrieu, said in an email, "We understand that there are strong emotions surrounding this subject and we ask that any public demonstrations remain peaceful and respectful as they have since we began this process. As a reminder, vandalism of any public property is strictly prohibited."
The equestrian Jackson statue is one of numerous monuments, streets and buildings that Take 'Em Down organizers believe promotes the idea of white supremacy by honoring slave owners and others who contributed to the oppression of minorities.
Although Jackson was the hero of the Battle of New Orleans in 1815, he not only owned slaves but, as president, was responsible for the removal of Native American groups living in the Southeast.
The City Council has not seriously considered pushing for the removal of the Jackson statue.
"Why would we want to continue to honor this person?" asked Suber, who said removing a statue so associated with New Orleans would send a wider message and serve as a "shot heard 'round the world."
Landrieu called for the removal of the Confederate monuments last summer after a young man who espoused white supremacist views killed nine parishioners at an African-American church in Charleston, S.C. The City Council agreed in December, voting 6-1 to authorize the statues' removal from city property.
However, several groups quickly filed suit to block the plan, and the case has been tied up in the courts ever since.
A panel of 5th Circuit judges is expected to hear arguments Sept. 28 on whether to extend a court order that would keep the monuments in place while the suit challenging their removal goes to a full trial.
Plans to take down the monuments weren't helped after the original contractor hired to remove them dropped out after its owner said he received death threats. Interest from other companies was lukewarm when the city later asked for public bids.
Take 'Em Down organizers blamed the delay on both the courts — the 5th Circuit is considered one of the most conservative federal appeals courts in the nation — and a lack of aggressive action by the city. They said the city should have denounced or ignored the court order.
"I'm saying we should defy that order. That order should have no standing with us at all," Suber said. "We have no respect for the 5th Circuit because they're all (expletive) racists anyway."
Take 'Em Down is also planning a protest at next week's City Council meeting and is encouraging supporters to attend the court hearing on Sept. 28.
While the City Council and Landrieu have made few public comments in recent months about the case, it's not clear there's much more it could be doing while the suit is being reviewed by the courts.
"We remain committed to taking down these monuments," Rainey said. "At this time, we respect the court’s order to not remove them while the matter is pending. We understand the public’s frustration with this process and ask for continued patience as we move forward."
Citing the city's success in previous phases of the case, and in a similar one filed in state court, Rainey said "we are confident the court will continue to rule in our favor."
Rainey did not comment on whether the city would be making any plans for increased security around the Jackson statue during the protest.
Its attorneys have repeatedly argued that the city should have the right to do what it wishes with public statues on city land, and they have made specific arguments about why each of the Confederate monuments should come down.
(This is what happens when you give an inch to the social justice warriors. Many defeated peoples have monuments. They are historical. Should we blow up the Pyramids because they were built by Jewish slaves? Destroy Churches because of the excesses of the Crusades. They started with the Confederate Flag and the statues of Confederate generals. Now they moved on to Andrew Jackson.  Soon they will demand the destruction of the Washington Monument because he was a slave holder. They are already demanding that they change the name of a high school named after Washington. They want to have it changed to some great American like Barack Obama or Kayne West or something. You give them an inch and this is what happens.

What do you think Old Hickory would have done about this? Many people say that Trump is in the mold of Andrew Jackson. I hope he channels him in his response to this type of bullshit. Not in this case as it is a local matter. But in federal matters. We shall see.)

15 comments:

edutcher said...

This is the sort of thing that starts riots.

And wars.

I do think a lot of this goes away if The Donald wins. This is being done because they know the law will do nothing.

Now.

"Should we blow up the Pyramids because they were built by Jewish slaves?"

Actually, they weren't, but this is what the Tolleebahn and IS do, and these Visigoths are no different.

If ever somebody was in need of a whiff of grapeshot...

Leland said...

"If we got enough people and we got enough rope"

Sounds like a lynching.

ricpic said...

Blacks are at war with America. Yeah, I know it's verboten to say that. So what? The evidence is overwhelming.

So what do you do if you're powerless? You move away. To where your days are not filled with dread. I did. Millions do. What else is there to do? Nothing. Oh, that's right, have a "conversation" with the schvarze. That'll solve it.

edutcher said...

The Blonde has cousins in Pulaski TN, birthplace of the Ku Klux Klan, and always got a lot of, "Hey, ya'll Yankees wouldn't'a won the war if y'all hadn't'a cheated".

So it was with some surprise that I heard her say, "Y'know, I never gave a damn about the Confederate flag until they started banning it. now,..."

Sixty Grit said...

When can we tear down the statue of that gun toting republican adulterer, Martin Luther King, Jr.?

Chip Ahoy said...

The statue is in the heart of the city. Essentially they're demanding they rip out their own heart. And the statue is not "honoring" anything, rather, it's recognizing its own history.

Not to worry, there's another exact model in Washington, a third exact model in Nashville, and fourth exact model in Jacksonville. So go on and rip out your heart.Make a big point of it. Ruin your own glorious history for all generations so they can be stupid about history as you. And cleansed of your racist hangups. Just try to erase the history of slavery, and you'll be right back the next week demanding we all study Black history. The country has 3 more just like it.

And it's underwhelming. It is. As a boy I read about it in Louisiana history. The photographs described it with no small amount of brag.

We had just come back from Tokyo. A year previously my older brother and I were chaperoned by the Momote Village fire chief on a trip to the imperial palace. He liked doing that. Nothing pervy at all. (It's where I leaned about squid jerky) We both stood in awe of the bronze statue of Kusunoki Masashige, a 14th century samurai. Actually, we marveled at the tremendous amount of pigeon poop they tolerated coating it. How embarrassing for a samurai to be coated in drippy bird shit. But it's a HUGE and dynamic and glorious statue nonetheless. And I mean HUGE. You cannot compare sizes by photographs. A bit like Anthony Weiner's weiner. It may look big in photographs but it disappears without a trace or any feeling at all inside Huma's butt. Did I just now say that? NO! that was somebody else. "Is it in yet, Anthony?" NO! I didn't say that, some ventriloquist is punking me again. At any rate let them pull down the statue, their history isn't going anywhere, and besides, the head of the N.O. Jackson model already fell off when boys were climbing around on it. Tru fax. They had to super glue it back on. Look it up, Lookituppers, if you don't believe me. The head falling off thing, not the Anthony Weiner weiner thing. And that's proof right there, best to strengthen the necks of statues.

Did you know that the horse's legs are supposed to denote
* two up means the guy died in battle
* one leg up means the guy died later from wounds of a battle
* no legs up means the guy died otherwise
* guy standing next to horse means both man and horse died in battle.

But a survey of equestrian statues of soldiers will quickly reveal all that is just flat nonsense. And there goes another horse statue codification theory.

Rhythm and Balls said...

Wait. So as an American I'm supposed to consider the Confederacy part of my "heritage?" WTF is that noise?

Rhythm and Balls said...

Dude, this stuff is southern malarkey. It's their issue. They've given more than enough time to a white supremacist outsized lionization of all things Confederate, white and plantation, and now they're finally pushing back with some effect. The last 50 years of civil rights is but the blink of an eye in the grand scheme of 400 years of slavery, Jim Crow, sharecropping, the KKK and all that shit. Have you ever been to the south, or read up about it? Even as of 30 years ago they were celebrating the driving out of every last black family from a county or two to make it "whites only." Did I miss something? Did the south become a just society overnight upon legislative fiat? Did that mean we have heroes out of the confederacy's heroes? Do conservatives believe that only "good" history is worth commemorating? Do they believe that "bad" history has no repercussions? Just give these folks some breathing room to finally work out their issues and air their grievances without fear of being lynched for a generation or two before you talk about the anti-confederate "backlash" being too severe. A backlash against a terrorist insurrectionist movement against the United States, after all - lest anyone forget. The KKK was not somehow more "good" than ISIS. And for the most part, neither was any part of the confederate legacy.

Leland said...

Perhaps reading a history book about New Orleans might help. Then again, I recall reading lefties suggesting New Orleans not be rebuilt after Katrina. So perhaps it is just New Orleans in general that lefties want to destroy.

rcocean said...

The ultimate left-wing goal is to destroy America, and one way to do that is to destroy America's history and the idea that the founder fathers and those who built the country weren't heroes but villains.

As Troop wrote, the SJW's aren't going to stop with getting rid of P.G. Beauregard, they'll go after Andy Jackson and then Polk and then Washington, Jefferson and Madison. And then after all the slave-owners have been erased "1984" style from our history, they'll go after every President from Lincoln to Hoover for being a racist/bigot/homophobe/sexist.

There is no compromising with SJW's - you either win or you lose. Appeasement will get you nowhere.

Methadras said...

I'm no fan of the south and 'southern pride', but I get it though. However, I am a fan of .308's entering their sjw's heads if they attempt to usurp liberty in the name of RMPC. This shit has to end.

Methadras said...

Rhythm and Balls said...

Dude, this stuff is southern malarkey. It's their issue. They've given more than enough time to a white supremacist outsized lionization of all things Confederate, white and plantation, and now they're finally pushing back with some effect. The last 50 years of civil rights is but the blink of an eye in the grand scheme of 400 years of slavery, Jim Crow, sharecropping, the KKK and all that shit. Have you ever been to the south, or read up about it? Even as of 30 years ago they were celebrating the driving out of every last black family from a county or two to make it "whites only." Did I miss something? Did the south become a just society overnight upon legislative fiat? Did that mean we have heroes out of the confederacy's heroes? Do conservatives believe that only "good" history is worth commemorating? Do they believe that "bad" history has no repercussions? Just give these folks some breathing room to finally work out their issues and air their grievances without fear of being lynched for a generation or two before you talk about the anti-confederate "backlash" being too severe. A backlash against a terrorist insurrectionist movement against the United States, after all - lest anyone forget. The KKK was not somehow more "good" than ISIS. And for the most part, neither was any part of the confederate legacy.


All of this is revisionist history in the name of social justice. To equalize the injustices of the past by white washing and wiping away the history of the now to ausage the feels of those that despise the realities of the history as it stands now. No. This can't stand. No one is uplifting the horrors of the past, but god damn them for trying to rewrite the history for their faux victorious future.

Amartel said...

What do we want?
VIOLENCE!!
When do we want it?
NOW!
Robblerobblerabble.

Those Landrieus sure are a populous bunch of grifters!

Amartel said...

What do we want?
WHATEVER THE GUY WITH THE MEGAPHONE SEZ!!
When do we want it?
NOW!!
robblerobblerabble.

Amartel said...

Reminds me of Steve Martin's Nonconformist’s Oath