Thursday, September 15, 2016

A Tale of Two Cities

"NY Times: Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are virtually tied"
With less than eight weeks before Election Day, Donald J. Trump and Hillary Clinton are locked in a tight contest, with both candidates still struggling to win the confidence of their respective bases, the latest New York Times/CBS News poll finds.
LA Times: Donald Trump is ahead 47% to Hillary 41%.


edutcher said...

It's 5.9? This The Fall and all the other little revelations coming out.

I'll say it now, if you start seeing the network/major daily polls showing The Donald ahead, they figure it's all over.

They don't want to be caught saying the Americans are nowhere near Baghdad anywhere near election day.

Evi L. Bloggerlady said...

As predicted by all here, this is going to come down to the debates. The left will be going nuts on the moderators to take Trump out.

edutcher said...

Interesting Trump has suggested no moderators.

PS For those who are that worried, you may want to read the last 2 excerpts of this.

AllenS said...

What if there isn't any debates. A possibility.

edutcher said...

I think it goes to The Donald by default.

If Frumpty is unable to do debates, it proves she's physically incapable of holding the office.

Evi L. Bloggerlady said...

ed, I am sure you know there will be moderators. Unfortunately that ship sailed about a year ago with the RNC-DNC negotitations over debates. Trump is wise to point out he would prefer no moderators (so would I) but they will never back down on that.

Hillary will be at the debates.

The key now is making sure Trump has enough supporters in the crowd to boo when the moderators step out of line (which they will) and for Trump to have the Akido chops to deal with the moderators when they act us (which they will). I am sure Ailes is helping him on the latter.

Evi L. Bloggerlady said...

I should say Hillary will be at the first debate. If that one goes well for her, she will suddenly get "sick" for debate 2 and 3. But that first debate is critical for both of them.

edutcher said...

Allen asked the question, I just gave an opinion. Trump may have been pulling her chain on the moderators. After her "spell", it's academic.

But, even if she only does one debate, can her handlers guarantee, even to their own assurance, she will not "dehydrate" again?

Kinda doubt it.

All Trump has to do is look reasonable, maybe not even that after this past week. And I think making all 3 debates is going to be critical for her.

It's looking as if her "spell" was all Trump needed. Ras has him up 2, LAT up 5.9, and (are you ready?) Black Rock/Gray Lady says they're tied.

She skips even one debate, I think it's over.

bagoh20 said...

Without moderators, Clinton would get OODA looped into a tailspin and crash before the first commercial. She's not good at face to face shit talk. Her goto is the lie and denial thing. That's all defense and a losing strategy.

Moderators will be working overtime to debase themselves, and I anticipate it may be the breaking point for bias in journalism when the public sees it.

Amartel said...

Suddenly my Facebook is lighting up with desperate pro-Hillary shilling. They were (mis)led to believe her lead was insurmountable and were relieved that they didn't have to ruin their reputations by dredging up enthusiasm for her. Now it's ruh-roh time: personal credibility versus party. The Parrot Party wins. Hillary is "powering through." Where have I heard that before repeatedly? Hmm.
It's sad, really. Battered Partisan Syndrome. They can't leave and have to keep coming back for more abuse. What are those bruises all over your ego? You fell down? AGAIN?

Chip Ahoy said...

I think this is why conservative voters chose Trump who is obviously not traditionally conservative. He powered through (new favorite term) thirteen (I think) very good conservative candidates, Cruz was especially attractive for his record vexing government overreach, that continues. They were sick and tired and now quite angry at seeing their candidates fold. So they picked the guy most outrageously willing to smash.

By Hillary's experience with debates she knows only tongue baths where she can leave the stage, have a coughing fit, change her soiled underwear, receive a cortisone injection, return to deliver platitudes. Her Thatcheresque imitation stern oration voice substituting for strength. Compare that with Trump's learned onstage equanimity.

Singleminded Democrat audience response that actually controls what occurs on stage will not be available to her. Trump has shown his supporters that he is unaffected by audience response and he's shown that he just flatly does not care.

ex: Bernie said, "the public is sick of hearing about Hillary's emails." He meant that as attack and he intended to pursue it but his Democrat audience erupted in sustained applause cutting off his attack. Reading the applause Bernie backed down from his intended email attack. He wimped out the same way Romney wimped out where his tilted head vapid gaze of fatherly understanding doesn't cut it. Romney really did need to smack down Candy and smack down Obama both at the same time, but he failed. I think we've seen that Trump will not do any such thing. Rather than allow audience participation to destroy his attack, or allow moderator bias, I think, in any such similar situation he will use it to further his attack along the lines that we've already seen. Again, it's why he was chosen above all those other good candidates, especially Cruz and Fiorina. And Hillary cannot withstand her opponent behaving so improperly. She is reliant on moderator and audience support.

On the campaign trail we've seen Trump improve as he goes, as we've seen Hillary collapse in more ways than one.

Be of good cheer. This is successful salesman VS screeching hag. If one occurs, this debate is in the bag. Even Hillary and Democrats who've been watching know it. Expect him to even call out the moderators for their previous Democrat support.

This is my humble reading as I go off to something more fun. Like cartoons, or idle gardening, or sketching a bird that I like, or cooking up something tasty. Maybe I'll make a pop-up card depicting the great 100 year war between snails and slugs involving a lot of salt.

edutcher said...

Well here's something to brighten the day.

A WikiLeaks email from (who else?) Huma says Illary does have a deadly blood clot, a cerebral venous sinus thrombosis whose symptoms include headache, abnormal vision, any of the symptoms of stroke such as weakness of the face and limbs on one side of the body, and seizures.

Trooper York said...

Things are proceeding about the way I thought they would go.

I think Trump had a good idea about no moderators. I have a better one.

Do it on threadmills.

ndspinelli said...

This election is about glass.

ampersand said...

Do it on threadmills.

With disco music softly playing and a strobe light flashing.

edutcher said...

OK, for the car, the trip to Hawaii, the bedroom set, and a chance to date Vanna, take a look at this pic and tell us what's wrong.

rcocean said...

Paint me skeptical. No Republican since 1992 has gotten more than 47.9% of the vote, except for Bush II in 2004. And even he narrowly squeaked by.

Basically, 48% of the country is yellow dog democrat. 70 year old Hillary "I've fallen and I can't get up" Clinton is probably the worst POTUS candidate since Dukakais in 1998, yet it doesn't matter. She's a liar and a crook, is unlikable, and can't make a speech or handle hostile questions.

At this point, its not even clear if she can walk upstairs or put in 8 hours of work a day. But who cares? She's a liberal democrat.

rcocean said...


Romney is and was a $3 phony - just like his Dad. Here's a thought: do you realize that every Republican POTUS candidate since 1988 voted against Reagan in the 1980 Republican primary?

George Bush and his gang lost to Reagan in 1980, but they only lost as long Reagan was president. After 1988, they regained control and have never lost it.

Romney's Dad was a rich, "Moderate" republican who stabbed Goldwater in the back, and left the Nixon Administration because Nixon wasn't liberal enough. Mitt never supported Reagan and accused Ted Kennedy of being right-wing on abortion in 1992.

edutcher said...

The issue is people are out of work and things are getting worse instead of better.

It's comforting to some to say they're all Democrats, but plenty of Rs said that in the 30s, doubtless.

Things always change.