Another bullshit false equivalence. White racism legislated against miscegenation. But individual blacks or whites or those of any other ethnicity or culture that simply found it easier to raise families that fit in with what they already knew never made laws against going against that, if it's what made the couple happy.
Ali never denied that is was a social problem, that couldn't be overcome in an a more open society. He simply said he didn't have time to wait around for that.
Why is Trooper posting this anyway? The need to cast the thousandth person as an evil enemy and hell-bound? And what is it in his own culture that impels him to do that, if that's where it comes from? Is he encouraging his daughters to date non-Catholics? I mean, at least Ali never said that everyone else other than what he considered his own was evil and hell-bound.
I know exactly why Troop is posting it and so do you.
The Twitter stream became very odd when he died. You honestly could not tell who was being sincere. Everyone sad and shocked, of course, posting eulogies, paens, Hallmark posters with pithy phrases, miniature bios, tributes, odes to a hero of justice. Who somehow "fought for us" who was the greatest. Period. A great American. Morally centered against all odds. Successful in a hostile world, especially a hostile nation.
A guy retweeted someone I don't know, so you don't know if they support the sentiment or not, they're just relaying something they've seen, the unknown guy says Obama delivers an emotional tribute then links to WH statement (of course!) that is obviously not written by Obama. It is written by a child who heard about Ali and read about Ali through their peculiar kaleidoscope historic news viewer. About Ali written on, say, VOX, and Huffington Post.
Nothing at all about draft dodging, and war begun by Democrats and passed to Republicans to end. Nothing about so many children out of wedlock. No mention of underaged pregnancy, that is, statutory rape. No mention of his straight up racist explanation for dodging the draft. For him, there were no other good reasons beyond race. A white war. A brown race. And him with his. That is his triangulation. A sentiment shared today with Machelle who wakes up (in a public mansion) built by slaves. There IS no love of country, there is no patriotism whatsoever. There is no race relation beyond his own racism. He keeps repeating that, not just here, everywhere. There is no unity, no sense of nor fondness for America. That's white. And he's just in it. Suffering it.
Pretend you don't understand and then in an earlier post hasten to make sure nobody gives Jesus a blow job because you must do both things, not understand this, and hasten to blow job block back then.
One thing's for sure: No one rambles more incoherently and incessantly like Muhammad Ali than the autistic self-hating Chip Ahoy.
Well, at least the infinitely less famous and less loved Mr "Ahoy" doesn't hate himself for being white. That's important. So go racial pride, Ahoy! It's the least you have. Literally.
I posted this because when they say that Muhammad Ali was a paragon of virtue there is another side. He was a devout member of the Nation of Islam and all implies. All of that is lost in the non stop tongue bath.
You will not get that anywhere in the main stream media which full of pious bullshit about a complicated person.
I didn't attack him. I let his own words speak for him.
Rhythm and Balls said...One thing's for sure: No one rambles more incoherently and incessantly like Muhammad Ali than the autistic self-hating Chip Ahoy.
I think Chip's analysis was spot on. I no longer follw Twitter like I used to, so the Ali praise flew under my radar.
You, R&B, on the other hand are becoming a tiresome scold.
I posted this because when they say that Muhammad Ali was a paragon of virtue there is another side. He was a devout member of the Nation of Islam and all implies. All of that is lost in the non stop tongue bath.
The very "Nation" whose creed he obviously disavowed later in life after he mellowed as we all do.
You will not get that anywhere in the main stream media which full of pious bullshit about a complicated person.
Yes, my reply concedes he was a complicated person, which is even evident in the clip you embedded, I think. He was brash, he fought, but not to the point of denying anyone else a legitimate point, as the interviewer had.
I didn't attack him. I let his own words speak for him.
I know. I know what you're doing, also. It's really not as much of an indictment as you think, though. At least that's my opinion YMMV. They loved him for being the brash pugilist early on that's in evidence in the clip, but of course he was complicated enough to mitigate the stridency with which he voiced earlier views.
I no longer follw Twitter like I used to, so the Ali praise flew under my radar.
How could you not predict it? Ali was always beloved. It's not something that I shared but that's probably because I place less value on bashing people's brains in. But I fail to see how he was a horrible person. He was brash and flashy (like Trump) and stood up for the things that naturally would have concerned a man in his position in the 1960s. Very far from making him a bad or even mediocre man.
You, R&B, on the other hand are becoming a tiresome scold.
Lol. The opposite of what you say when I "tiresomely" scold people (like Crack Emcee) for things you agree with, I guess. ;-) Ha hahaha. You have to be one of the most un-objective guys I know, Wisconsin Man. Praise me when you agree, object on irrelevant (entertainment) grounds when you don't. I guess it's all in a day's life for people that need their emotional/social pabulum put on a pedestal for them.
The many black women who come to this site for enlightenment and hope, probably want to stand up and cheer for the sentiments that Ali expressed. Finally, a rich, good looking black celebrity who preferred black women and was willing to speak aloud about that preference. You don't hear that every day, and, when you do, it's more often belied by the celebrity's next marriage........Ali was a mixed bag, but I'd give him a positive balance overall. In my walks about the city, I do notice that pigeons seem to intermingle with each other without much regard to coloration and, moreover, that no pigeons consider themselves to be hawks..........Read some nineteenth century English novels. Class barriers used to be considered too high a hurdle for love and marriage. The world changes, and sometimes for the better.
I liked the clip - and Ali - for the honesty. I love it when he calls out the phony Brit Interviewer with his nonsense about how 'We're all one race, blah, blah, blah". Even the British audience claps for Ali.
I always give Ali a pass on his black nationalism. I don't know how I would react if I grew up in a Segregated country where white people were discriminated against. Or where people said they were all for interracial marriage but just not to white guys like me.
Lol. The opposite of what you say when I "tiresomely" scold people (like Crack Emcee) for things you agree with, I guess. ;-) Ha hahaha.
LOL yourself. I remember differently. I remember you defending Crack when I stood up and called him racist. I remember you lecturing me there really was no such thing as black on white racism and even if there were it was meaningless because the numbers didn't add up. And, I'm not going to link to that because I want to hear your denial first.
Then you have Alzheimers. Or premature brain rot. Or something. You're "not" going to link it? Go piss yourself. You are totally crazy. I'll go find the thread myself. And then ask to hear YOUR "denial." Some people are liars and some people (some of them liars) just convince themselves of obvious falsehoods. I guess this MO explains a lot of your positions.
Here you go, you senile robot-person. I'll expect my apology from you just as soon as you find your integrity, humility and curiosity. In other words, never:
chickenlittle said... @Ritmo: Your reasoning skills and command of history have been fun to watch tonight. Thanks for that. January 22, 2014 at 12:16 AM
Go ahead and read the context containing that permalink and tell me you meant that sarcastically or that I was "defending" Crack. I understand a guy like you might have trouble understanding things outside of a black and white context, but don't put that on me for calling out whoever needs it and refusing to be the one-sided cheerleader whose mold you usually have trouble breaking. Two sides can both be wrong.
@R&B: We had two different (but related!) threads and comments in mind. Well, I had a different thread in mind when I post up thread. Thanks for the link -- I wouldn't have remembered that one.
When I wrote "I stood up and called him racist" above I was referring my post called Can't Happen? which went up a day or two before the one you linked. You did not lecture me on there being no such thing as black on white racism--and I apologize for that accusation. The comment that I did resent was your agreement that demographics matter in institutional racism. You wrote:
I see both sides of this as a little screwed up. Of course, CL, black-on-white racism is/wouldn't be right. The question is, why would you be so afraid of it? How is it relevant? Numbers matter. Power matters. The morality of some things simply can't be judged absent a view into their potential for action. It's not wrong to contemplate violence, or to read about it in a book. When you threaten people though, that takes it to a new level. And when you accumulate the resources to inflict it disproportionately, a new level further. Institutionalized violence becomes something else entirely. That's true.link
Overall demographic numbers don't matter in attacks on individuals. Let me put in this scientific terms: local relative concentrations (of minor ions) can often change and actually exceed overall concentrations: minorities can be "local majorities" ganging up on a member of an overall majority. We just saw this in San Jose.
What I took away from that very heated thread from Crack was that black on white racism -- if it even exists in his mind -- doesn't matter because overall, whites out number blacks. This is a cop out, an excuse and an apology.
Interesting that the comment of yours that I linked to above was made about 24 hours before the one you linked to.
Oh and the effusive praise I heaping which you quoted had to do with your comment to Crack regarding reparations (see the very last comment you made in the thread I linked).
I can probably think of countless example of racism where demographics didn't matter: The Bosnian guy who was hammered to death in Ferguson because he was white. Not Bosnian, but white.
South African apartheid was practiced by a racial minority.
A tiny minority of one can terrorize a larger population of many in today's environment.
The whole premise of my title "Can't Happen?" and the photo was not could that happen in 1963 Birmingham Alabama; it was could that happen in Ferguson, MO Could that happen in San Jose? Could that happen next week?
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Mr Clay wasn't so much a follower of Mohammed, which would have been bad enough, but was a follower of Elijah Muhammad.
The Lefty media still loved him, but the public turned away.
Yeah, Ali was a fist pumper. He would have fit right in at the '68 Olympics ceremonies.
Another bullshit false equivalence. White racism legislated against miscegenation. But individual blacks or whites or those of any other ethnicity or culture that simply found it easier to raise families that fit in with what they already knew never made laws against going against that, if it's what made the couple happy.
Ali never denied that is was a social problem, that couldn't be overcome in an a more open society. He simply said he didn't have time to wait around for that.
Why is Trooper posting this anyway? The need to cast the thousandth person as an evil enemy and hell-bound? And what is it in his own culture that impels him to do that, if that's where it comes from? Is he encouraging his daughters to date non-Catholics? I mean, at least Ali never said that everyone else other than what he considered his own was evil and hell-bound.
I know exactly why Troop is posting it and so do you.
The Twitter stream became very odd when he died. You honestly could not tell who was being sincere. Everyone sad and shocked, of course, posting eulogies, paens, Hallmark posters with pithy phrases, miniature bios, tributes, odes to a hero of justice. Who somehow "fought for us" who was the greatest. Period. A great American. Morally centered against all odds. Successful in a hostile world, especially a hostile nation.
A guy retweeted someone I don't know, so you don't know if they support the sentiment or not, they're just relaying something they've seen, the unknown guy says Obama delivers an emotional tribute then links to WH statement (of course!) that is obviously not written by Obama. It is written by a child who heard about Ali and read about Ali through their peculiar kaleidoscope historic news viewer. About Ali written on, say, VOX, and Huffington Post.
Nothing at all about draft dodging, and war begun by Democrats and passed to Republicans to end. Nothing about so many children out of wedlock. No mention of underaged pregnancy, that is, statutory rape. No mention of his straight up racist explanation for dodging the draft. For him, there were no other good reasons beyond race. A white war. A brown race. And him with his. That is his triangulation. A sentiment shared today with Machelle who wakes up (in a public mansion) built by slaves. There IS no love of country, there is no patriotism whatsoever. There is no race relation beyond his own racism. He keeps repeating that, not just here, everywhere. There is no unity, no sense of nor fondness for America. That's white. And he's just in it. Suffering it.
Pretend you don't understand and then in an earlier post hasten to make sure nobody gives Jesus a blow job because you must do both things, not understand this, and hasten to blow job block back then.
Can we talk?
No, we cannot.
One thing's for sure: No one rambles more incoherently and incessantly like Muhammad Ali than the autistic self-hating Chip Ahoy.
Well, at least the infinitely less famous and less loved Mr "Ahoy" doesn't hate himself for being white. That's important. So go racial pride, Ahoy! It's the least you have. Literally.
I posted this because when they say that Muhammad Ali was a paragon of virtue there is another side. He was a devout member of the Nation of Islam and all implies. All of that is lost in the non stop tongue bath.
You will not get that anywhere in the main stream media which full of pious bullshit about a complicated person.
I didn't attack him. I let his own words speak for him.
I much prefer Sonny Liston. He was the real deal.
Rhythm and Balls said...One thing's for sure: No one rambles more incoherently and incessantly like Muhammad Ali than the autistic self-hating Chip Ahoy.
I think Chip's analysis was spot on. I no longer follw Twitter like I used to, so the Ali praise flew under my radar.
You, R&B, on the other hand are becoming a tiresome scold.
I posted this because when they say that Muhammad Ali was a paragon of virtue there is another side. He was a devout member of the Nation of Islam and all implies. All of that is lost in the non stop tongue bath.
The very "Nation" whose creed he obviously disavowed later in life after he mellowed as we all do.
You will not get that anywhere in the main stream media which full of pious bullshit about a complicated person.
Yes, my reply concedes he was a complicated person, which is even evident in the clip you embedded, I think. He was brash, he fought, but not to the point of denying anyone else a legitimate point, as the interviewer had.
I didn't attack him. I let his own words speak for him.
I know. I know what you're doing, also. It's really not as much of an indictment as you think, though. At least that's my opinion YMMV. They loved him for being the brash pugilist early on that's in evidence in the clip, but of course he was complicated enough to mitigate the stridency with which he voiced earlier views.
I think Chip's analysis was spot on.
I think you're biased. In more than one way.
I no longer follw Twitter like I used to, so the Ali praise flew under my radar.
How could you not predict it? Ali was always beloved. It's not something that I shared but that's probably because I place less value on bashing people's brains in. But I fail to see how he was a horrible person. He was brash and flashy (like Trump) and stood up for the things that naturally would have concerned a man in his position in the 1960s. Very far from making him a bad or even mediocre man.
You, R&B, on the other hand are becoming a tiresome scold.
Lol. The opposite of what you say when I "tiresomely" scold people (like Crack Emcee) for things you agree with, I guess. ;-) Ha hahaha. You have to be one of the most un-objective guys I know, Wisconsin Man. Praise me when you agree, object on irrelevant (entertainment) grounds when you don't. I guess it's all in a day's life for people that need their emotional/social pabulum put on a pedestal for them.
I agree with Ali that we ARE altogether different. Common wisdom for all of human history until this fakakta moment.
Look I just wanted to find something that I agreed with Ali about and this presented itself. Good times!
Lol, then I stand corrected. I actually thought you were objecting to him! Shows you what I know...
Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
The many black women who come to this site for enlightenment and hope, probably want to stand up and cheer for the sentiments that Ali expressed. Finally, a rich, good looking black celebrity who preferred black women and was willing to speak aloud about that preference. You don't hear that every day, and, when you do, it's more often belied by the celebrity's next marriage........Ali was a mixed bag, but I'd give him a positive balance overall. In my walks about the city, I do notice that pigeons seem to intermingle with each other without much regard to coloration and, moreover, that no pigeons consider themselves to be hawks..........Read some nineteenth century English novels. Class barriers used to be considered too high a hurdle for love and marriage. The world changes, and sometimes for the better.
I liked the clip - and Ali - for the honesty. I love it when he calls out the phony Brit Interviewer with his nonsense about how 'We're all one race, blah, blah, blah". Even the British audience claps for Ali.
I always give Ali a pass on his black nationalism. I don't know how I would react if I grew up in a Segregated country where white people were discriminated against. Or where people said they were all for interracial marriage but just not to white guys like me.
Ali, you the man!
Lol. The opposite of what you say when I "tiresomely" scold people (like Crack Emcee) for things you agree with, I guess. ;-) Ha hahaha.
LOL yourself. I remember differently. I remember you defending Crack when I stood up and called him racist. I remember you lecturing me there really was no such thing as black on white racism and even if there were it was meaningless because the numbers didn't add up. And, I'm not going to link to that because I want to hear your denial first.
Say what you want, he never married a Kardashian.
I remember differently.
Then you have Alzheimers. Or premature brain rot. Or something. You're "not" going to link it? Go piss yourself. You are totally crazy. I'll go find the thread myself. And then ask to hear YOUR "denial." Some people are liars and some people (some of them liars) just convince themselves of obvious falsehoods. I guess this MO explains a lot of your positions.
Here you go, you senile robot-person. I'll expect my apology from you just as soon as you find your integrity, humility and curiosity. In other words, never:
chickenlittle said...
@Ritmo: Your reasoning skills and command of history have been fun to watch tonight. Thanks for that.
January 22, 2014 at 12:16 AM
Go ahead and read the context containing that permalink and tell me you meant that sarcastically or that I was "defending" Crack. I understand a guy like you might have trouble understanding things outside of a black and white context, but don't put that on me for calling out whoever needs it and refusing to be the one-sided cheerleader whose mold you usually have trouble breaking. Two sides can both be wrong.
@R&B: We had two different (but related!) threads and comments in mind. Well, I had a different thread in mind when I post up thread. Thanks for the link -- I wouldn't have remembered that one.
When I wrote "I stood up and called him racist" above I was referring my post called Can't Happen? which went up a day or two before the one you linked. You did not lecture me on there being no such thing as black on white racism--and I apologize for that accusation. The comment that I did resent was your agreement that demographics matter in institutional racism. You wrote:
I see both sides of this as a little screwed up. Of course, CL, black-on-white racism is/wouldn't be right. The question is, why would you be so afraid of it? How is it relevant? Numbers matter. Power matters. The morality of some things simply can't be judged absent a view into their potential for action. It's not wrong to contemplate violence, or to read about it in a book. When you threaten people though, that takes it to a new level. And when you accumulate the resources to inflict it disproportionately, a new level further. Institutionalized violence becomes something else entirely. That's true. link
Overall demographic numbers don't matter in attacks on individuals. Let me put in this scientific terms: local relative concentrations (of minor ions) can often change and actually exceed overall concentrations: minorities can be "local majorities" ganging up on a member of an overall majority. We just saw this in San Jose.
What I took away from that very heated thread from Crack was that black on white racism -- if it even exists in his mind -- doesn't matter because overall, whites out number blacks. This is a cop out, an excuse and an apology.
Interesting that the comment of yours that I linked to above was made about 24 hours before the one you linked to.
Oh and the effusive praise I heaping which you quoted had to do with your comment to Crack regarding reparations (see the very last comment you made in the thread I linked).
I can probably think of countless example of racism where demographics didn't matter: The Bosnian guy who was hammered to death in Ferguson because he was white. Not Bosnian, but white.
South African apartheid was practiced by a racial minority.
A tiny minority of one can terrorize a larger population of many in today's environment.
The whole premise of my title "Can't Happen?" and the photo was not could that happen in 1963 Birmingham Alabama; it was could that happen in Ferguson, MO Could that happen in San Jose? Could that happen next week?
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