Wednesday, June 22, 2016

"Nearly Half of Sanders Supporters Won't Support Clinton"

Bloomberg NewsIn the two weeks since Hillary Clinton wrapped up the Democratic presidential primary, runner-up Bernie Sanders has promised to work hard to defeat Donald Trump — but he’s given no sign he’ll soon embrace Clinton, his party’s presumptive nominee. Neither have many of Sanders’s supporters. A June 14th Bloomberg Politics national poll of likely voters in November’s election found that barely half of those who favored Sanders — 55 percent — plan to vote for Clinton. Instead, 22 percent say they’ll vote for Trump, while 18 percent favor Libertarian Gary Johnson. “I’m a registered Democrat, but I cannot bring myself to vote for another establishment politician like Hillary,” says Laura Armes, a 43-year-old homemaker from Beeville, Texas, who participated in the Bloomberg poll and plans to vote for Trump. “I don’t agree with a lot of what Trump says. But he won’t owe anybody. What you see is what you get.”

Conversations with two dozen Sanders supporters revealed a lingering distrust of Clinton as too establishment-friendly, hawkish or untrustworthy. As some Sanders fans see it, the primary was not a simple preference for purity over pragmatism, but a moral choice between an honest figure and someone whom they consider fundamentally corrupted by the ways of Washington. Sanders has fed these perceptions throughout his campaign, which is one reason he's having a hard time coming around to an endorsement.

Voters like Armes, who says she’ll “definitely” vote in November, highlight the difficulty Clinton faces in unifying her party. Clinton’s paltry support among Sanders voters could still grow, as his disheartened fans process the hard-fought primary campaign. But the Bloomberg poll found that only 5 percent of Sanders supporters who don’t currently back Clinton would consider doing so in the future. (read more)

18 comments:

ndspinelli said...

I have said, and still believe, I can see Trump winning handily. Someone just needs to hold that tiny dick of his when he pisses, so he doesn't hit both legs.

edutcher said...

This is what we've been hearing.

The cry in the primaries was, "No more dynasties", and more than a few meant it.

How many feel this way 5 months from now is what counts, but all the talk that dissatisfaction in the ranks was all on the other side has always been misrepresented.

edutcher said...

Something off Ras:

All those NeverTrumpers in DC have a problem, the base is very dissatisfied with them.

Lem said...

The media telling the democrats to get it together.

ndspinelli said...

The Never Trump are paper tigers. They are bolstered by the MSM and the fact many are talking heads. I have a good gut naturally and honed by years of using it. Just the past couple weeks, but mostly since Orlando, I sense an undercurrent of panic in the MSM/Dems. Their veneer of confidence is thin.

Chip Ahoy said...

Tourists from the suburbs are descending upon the museum. Collectively they make unfortunate victims I mean photographic subjects.

T-shirts, short pants, skate board sneakers or running shoes, sandals, not even top siders, boy's baseball caps. I must say I agree with the mistress of TOP on this one. In summer, today's American men dress as boys. Forever. In the suburbs they do.

On account of Wallmart being out there. I'm imagining.

And other warehouse type places. It's nearly impossible to be individual out there in the suburbs, apparently, and judging by what comes in to visit from out there.

Maybe I'll position myself for pedestrian cross traffic and show you what I mean.

It's weird, the foot traffic on Acoma going directly to the museum or to the Civic Center is entirely different from foot traffic on Broadway one block east. Those people are school and job oriented, while the Acoma people are finding parking, meandering, around the civic places for a few hours.

People on Broadway one block away are more photographic. Even if they're only going to bus station like Torcy's for lunch, they're still more interesting people judging purely on appearance.

*Billy Crystal's voice pretending to be Fernando Lamas* And with pictures it's so much better to appear interesting than to be interesting.

In our binary system, lively bright audacious American Gatsbyish Trump is more interesting than stuffy old gray commie tunic wearing other people's money grasping H Clinton.

"We're stronger together."

How profound. We're all al lot stronger observing Trump roll over H. Clinton in a farmer's tractor and back up and roll over her again, and again, and again, and again,

*Sia* She is TI TAY NEE YUM!"

and again, and again, and again, like the ending to any given Terminator movie, the non human metallic construction just flat does not die because like the Armus on Memory Alpha H. Clinton is the embodiment made of all the sinister thoughts and every negative feeling, all war-like tendencies, all the hatred and every negative trait all the greed that can be isolated and projected from anxious worked up monied Titans who then go on to live free of them. Trump is hundreds % more interesting than Hillary

Trump is fascinating to observe.
Hillary cannot be listened to.

Now, go ahead and reject all this for being too shallow to suit you. Oh yee, of superior and vast and encompassing intellect. If only everyone were like you. Then things would be sensible.

Now I must pray. *Ooooouuuuuum, centers self* "God, why did you put me in this insensible country?"

God: "If you'll recall, you asked for it."

edutcher said...

A nice Surber piece to back up nd's judgment

Note where strident Trump critic Podhoretz gets his money.

For those interested , vidoe of Trump's speech in NY

And a few pertinent quotes:Hillary Clinton has perfected the politics of personal profit and theft.

She ran the State Department like her own personal hedge fund – doing favors for oppressive regimes, and many others, in exchange for cash.

Then, when she left, she made $21.6 million giving speeches to Wall Street banks and other special interests – in less than 2 years – secret speeches that she does not want to reveal to the public.

Together, she and Bill made $153 million giving speeches to lobbyists, CEOs, and foreign governments in the years since 2001.


And he remembered Christopher Stevens in Benghazi

He was left helpless to die as Hillary Clinton soundly slept in her bed -- that's right, when the phone rang at 3 o'clock in the morning, she was sleeping. Ambassador Stevens and his staff in Libya made hundreds of requests for security. Hillary Clinton’s State Department refused them all. She started the war that put him in Libya, denied him the security he asked for, then left him there to die.

To cover her tracks, Hillary lied about a video being the cause of his death.


nd, if they weren't panicked before, they are now.

Methadras said...

So if half of the socialists don't vote for hillary, then how many of them will go to Trump, another alternative wacko candidate from the greens, etc., or just stay home? That's the better breakdown.

ndspinelli said...

ed, Panic, nervousness is the body language I always look for when I am interviewing people. I see it on the Never Trump and MSM. But, beyond the individuals, I see a macro level of anxiety.

ndspinelli said...

One of the macro levels I see is the projecting that the Corey firing, the low campaign funds, should be panicking Trump and his followers. Projection is an easy tell and a big red flag.

edutcher said...

Methadras said...

So if half of the socialists don't vote for hillary, then how many of them will go to Trump, another alternative wacko candidate from the greens, etc., or just stay home?

If they stay home, one less vote for the Hildabeast and it scares the Demos purple. They're used to the sheep being good little sheep and doing what they're told. Now they act like wolves.

This is the result of not getting the economy moving for 8 years so Black Narcissus could say it's all about ME.

ndspinelli said...

ed, Panic, nervousness is the body language I always look for when I am interviewing people. I see it on the Never Trump and MSM. But, beyond the individuals, I see a macro level of anxiety.

The Blonde would love to pick your brain, I'll bet. She's fascinated by that kind of profiling, being able to read people.

As a nurse, it comes in handy when you need to know who's going to be standing being the door when you walk into one of the rooms.

Methadras said...

ndspinelli said...

ed, Panic, nervousness is the body language I always look for when I am interviewing people. I see it on the Never Trump and MSM. But, beyond the individuals, I see a macro level of anxiety.


See spinelli, you do this as a matter of course over your long and storied career, right? So is it learned or is it innate with you on how you read people, the tells, the reactions, the little twitches and quirks? I do it automatically, but I'm doing it subconsciously, I can just tell. It's not an overt reaction in me when someone is giving me a vibe based on the context of what I'm saying to them or them to me, but it's like an itch in my brain saying, "oh they are bored, they are lying, they don't like you, they are interested..." I have to go out of my way to think about it. I can't do it like you do and see it. I have to process it and there just a hint of lag time from the time my brain recognizes it till the time it tells me what's up, then to how I react to it.

ndspinelli said...

Meth, Having met you, I can tell you have very good skills for reading people. There is a scale, from autistic to "The Shine" and you are pretty close to "The Shine." You could do what I do very well. We would have to work a bit on that hair trigger, but if it were your job, you would learn to bite your tongue until it bleeds. Although, you might need a transfusion after some interviews. I have seen some investigators that are incredible. However, it is not like most of the TV or movies you see. It's almost always calm and subtle. The first step is key...sizing up the person. I've seen so many ham n' eggers that literally give a head to toe once over w/ a stern glare. That's what they were taught. Joe Friday horseshit. You got to size the person up w/o them knowing. You could be easily taught to smooth the transition from your brain saying "they're bored, they're lying, etc." to adapting your tactics accordingly. And, the improvement comes like w/ an athletic skill, repetition.

ndspinelli said...

ed, I have been saying since 9/11 we need people profiling in airports, train stations, large audience venues. And, they don't all need to be cops. As I just discussed w/ Meth, people have those skills in their genes. Some great readers of people are sales people. Now, their focus on reading people is "How am I going to get this guy into this loaded Mercedes." But, w/ some basic training they could be taught how to read sinister behavior. Some very good readers of people are in The Blonde's profession, nursing. As I've said, I have done a lotta med malpractice defense, defending docs, nurses, hospitals, etc. So, I've interviewed countless nurses in all specialties, but mostly ER and OR. They are most of the time much more perceptive than the docs. The TV show Nurse Jackie showed that well. I interviewed many Chicago ER nurses. They can smell bullshit for 10 city blocks.

edutcher said...

You got it.

You want to know who the good doctors are, ask the nurses. And, a lot of times, they can spot them the first time they come on duty.

But I know what you're saying about profiling. The Israelis have been doing it for 40 years and it's been incredibly successful.

The Demos and the Lefties don't want it because it louses up their minority and victim racket

Methadras said...

Spinelli, I have to ask you what is The Shine?

ndspinelli said...

Sorry, It's from Stephen King's, The Shining. "The shine" or shining is what an old black man who can read people's minds and communicate telepathically calls the gift. In the flick, Scatman Crothers plays the black man w/ "the shine." It was one of the first horror movies we allowed our kids to watch and we use the term, "the shine" often. Nicholson plays the lead perfectly.

ndspinelli said...

ed, Trump talks hesitantly about profiling. He needs to be bolder. Profiling is a word that has been turned into something bad. It's not! It's basic investigation. Take the word "editing." That is a word that, like profiling, has taken on a negative connotation. Shit, they give Academy Awards for editing. It's not bad. Biased or deceptive editing[like Katie Couric or Michael Moore] is bad. But editing and profiling are important and necessary tools and skills.