Ben Carson got a hero’s welcome Wednesday at Liberty University, a Christian college in Virginia, where he pledged to stand up for religious freedom and not cower to “secular progressives.”
Fresh off the latest Republican presidential debate, Carson told students he’d use the “bully pulpit” of the presidency to espouse Christian beliefs on issues such as same-sex marriage.
"We need legislation to protect the religious freedoms of people who believe that marriage is between one man and one woman,” Carson told the spirited crowd in Lynchburg.
“Our nation’s survival . . . is rooted in our values system,” Carson said.
“And the real question is: Are we willing to stand up for those values and principles, or will we allow ourselves to be intimidated by the secular progressives?”
(Now you know why certain people hate him so much. Why can't we go from one of the worst Black Men in America to one of the best. He is a doctor who saves lives. He might not have all the answers at his fingertips but I think he would pick the right people to help him. I would trust him to make decisions for us. He is undeniably very smart and is worth a chance. Not my first pick but I think I would be enthusiastic in supporting him if he gets the nod)
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If you like Carson, it's mostly because of his chatracter.
That's not a bad thing , but you need to consider the story of Francisco Madero.
I like the man a lot, but I have been a very vocal critic of us hiring Obama with no experience, and no success. Carson is at least accomplished, but not experienced in managing big things. I feel likewise about Rubio, but I'm starting to see why so many people were OK with Obama's lack of experience. A lot of it is that you want a certain kind of person in there - a person you like. Still, I would prefer someone with experience whose character and ideology I respect. Carson is half that, but experience is definitely the half I can let slide. He's a fast learner.
I don't value political experience as much as many do. I did once, but I've seen it as mostly a negative thing in my lifetime of watching government in action. I believe that Trump is experienced in ways that are valuable: delegation, negotiation, staff selection, prioritization, and other management skills. He's experienced actually leading people rather than just posing as one who can. I just don't trust him to be a conservative or to shrink government, which is what we need most.
I'm feeling better about much of the Republican field lately, as they get into the details of what they want to do.
Character is the most important thing. He can get good smart people to help him govern. You want a man of integrity making the decisions. I mean he would have sent the army to save those guys in Benghazi. Even if they were too late he would have done it.
I trust him to do the right thing in negotiations with Iran and Putin too. Just because he has a soft and genteel demeanor doesn't mean that he is a pussy. He is a world renowned doctor. He is plenty tough enough.
I would like a President who doesn't golf. Does Carson golf? No caddying either.
Almost any of the Republican candidates would get my support. A terrific and diverse group vs. the crypt keeper corp. that the democrats are showcasing.
bagoh20 said...
Carson is at least accomplished, but not experienced in managing big things.
I think that's a sticking point for a lot of people.
Remember - Republicans must be perfect.
Democrats - they can be criminals and liars. They promise free stuff, so it's OK.
The last President who really managed something as big as the government is today was Ike.
Look Reagan was a governor as was Clinton but Truman couldn't handle a haberdashery. He went bankrupt.
Hey maybe Trump can be the new Truman!
The only one in the Republican primary who played sports seriously was Carly Fiorina. I am sure she played tonsil hockey as a secretary. How do you think she rose so fast up the corporate ladder.
Trump never played sports. He would just take his ball and go home.
Wait I take it back.
Chris Christie has won several hot dog eating contests on the Jersey shore. So there you go.
Madero: General Zapata, don't you trust me? You must trust me.
I promise, my first preoccupation is the land...but in a way that's permanent.
Before you do anything by law...you must have law.
We cannot have an armed and angry nation.
It is time to stack our arms. That is the first step.
That is my first request. Stack your arms and disband your army.
Zapata: And who will enforce the laws?
Madero: The regular army, the police.
Zapata: They're the ones we just fought and beat!
Give me your watch.
(Madero hesitates)
Give it to me!
(Madero gives Zapata his watch)
It's a beautiful watch.
Expensive.
Now take my rifle.
Madero: No.
Zapata: Take it!
(Madero takes Zapata's rifle)
Now you can have your watch back.
But without this (points at rifle), never!
Madero: You draw a strong moral.
Viva Zapata, script by John Steinbeck.
If you notice, Carson has been doing the same thing as Trump all along. He stood up to the media every time they attacked. Of course everyone is doing it now, but I don't remember Carson ever backing down and apologizing for his record or his statements not being PC.
I'll support him as long he doesn't fall asleep during a debate. As Trump would say, he's very low energy at times.
Character is the most important thing. He can get good smart people to help him govern.
Careful. That sounds dangerously close to the argument used for the Bush presidency.
If Carson gets elected, will we be able to re-patriate Egypt under our sovereignty, take over the pyramids, and establish an alien theme park a la Roswell, New Mexico there? Or a biblical theme park?
I mean, that would be insane and crazy, but slightly interesting as well.
I am looking on the bright side of inexperience.
Rather than looking for the perfect candidate for President, maybe it's instructive to consider what are absolute deal killers.
For me:
1) Blatant dishonesty - because you wouldn't know what you are voting for other than a liar, which I hate with a passion.
2) Belief that the government can do things effectively or economically. That's a sign of profound stupidity, and just too damned expensive to put in charge of my money.
3) Pandering - see above #1 & 2.
I can deal with the rest, but I'm sure, as with most elections, I'll be forced to swallow at least one deal killer if I want to vote at all.
“Our nation’s survival . . . is rooted in our values system,” Carson said.
“And the real question is: Are we willing to stand up for those values and principles, or will we allow ourselves to be intimidated by the secular progressives?”
20% of the country refuses to be a minority voice in a nation founded largely by this secular progressive. Or the one who did this.
See, that's the problem with being a heretic. All the orthodoxies are aligned against you, so you just profess to believe is some kooky thing, and then the 20% concerned with such things redeems your heresy.
I don't think our President gets to play with the pyramids, but maybe he can stop the rising of the oceans, or get the Iranians to forget about their raison d'être and respect an agreement with the Great Satan.
Death to America!
Rhythm and Balls said...
Character is the most important thing. He can get good smart people to help him govern.
Careful. That sounds dangerously close to the argument used for the Bush presidency
It worked out better than the current one.
Rhythm and Balls said...
20% of the country refuses to be a minority voice in a nation founded largely by this secular progressive.
Tom was in France when the Constitution was written, genius. His views on religion weren't consulted.
It worked out better than the current one.
So if the unemployment rate and DJIA at the end of Bush's reign were superior to what they are now, you must likely be a fan of even HIGHER unemployment and even LOWER national net worth!
GO ed! HIGH UNEMPLOYMENT AND A COLLAPSED ECONOMY UNDER BUSH!!! WHOOOT WHOOOT WHOOOT! Three cheers for horrible economic indicators!
Tell me what your latest entrepreneurial ventures are, ed. Inventing a new method for retrieving beer while at the sofa watching NFL? You remind me of Andrew Carnegie, by golly!
I think your spell checker changed "slave owning" to "secular", but "progressive" does work with either.
Tom was in France when the Constitution was written, genius. His views on religion weren't consulted.
Find the scholar who disagrees that the First Amendment was modeled after the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom - drafted by THOMAS JEFFERSON in 1777.
http://www.vahistorical.org/collections-and-resources/virginia-history-explorer/thomas-jefferson
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Statute_for_Religious_Freedom
There are drunks sleeping at bus stops who are more industrious and intellectually honest and curious than ed. But then, I guess that's why he practices being like them.
I could quote any of ed's deeply held beliefs and then he would respond by denying that he held them. His worldview is really that flimsy and weak. Whatever I say, he declares that it has to be untrue. No matter the source. He defines what I say as untruth, and then proceeds from there to separate right from wrong.
It's why he's wrong about everything.
Another source on TJ's apparent lack of participation (as insisted by "ed") in the legislation that culminated in the Establishment Clause.
Next, ed will tell everyone that he invented the wheel.
And he wants patent exclusivity and royalties.
The guy's got to make a living, you know.
He definitely knows how to handle the press. Here's an interview in three parts with a CNN anchor. She even agrees to ask Clinton certain questions. My favorite part, in regard to the US accepting Syrian refugees (paraphrase):
CNN: The bible says 'when I was hungry you fed me, when I was naked you clothed me.'
Carson: The bible also says don't be stupid. It would be stupid to bring over a lot of Syrians, because there would be infiltrators among them.
He doesn't let her get away with a single point.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/11/06/ben_carson_challenges_cnn_in_marathon_interview_says_they_are_liars.html
Rhythm and Balls said...
Tom was in France when the Constitution was written, genius. His views on religion weren't consulted.
Find the scholar who disagrees that the First Amendment was modeled after the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom - drafted by THOMAS JEFFERSON in 1777.
If Ritmo thinks the "Establishment of Religion" means separation of church and state, he's dumber than we think. An Establishment of Religion is a type of law (such as the Anglican Establishment) which sets which faiths are allowed and what practices are disallowed (the King or Queen of England may not marry a Catholic, as an example).
Madison's is better. None of the bloated rhetoric, just something any man could understand.
Next, ed will tell everyone that he invented the wheel.
That seems to be Ritmo's thing.
PS Tom encouraged Madison to write a Bill of Rights, which he, and not Tom, did. And did a much better job.
Or are we going to try to say Madison didn't write it?
Carson: The bible also says don't be stupid.
Where does it say that?
She gave a quote. He plunked down an assertion.
Does the "stupidity" the bible supposedly warn against mean denying that the pharaohs had elaborate tombs constructed as mausoleums?
The guy is obviously very religious, in a way, and is too proud to see anything less mundane as being apart from his views of religion pervading everything.
But yes, he is definitely a mild-mannered man and was an incredibly accomplished brain surgeon.
Hopefully he will learn about the workings of the mind based on what it can do in the world outside of its skull.
If he runs with Trump though I'd be tempted to vote for such a ticket. Trump's the belligerent realist (at least, I hope his bluster is just for show) and Carson's the soft-spoken fantasist. A perfectly balanced ticket - in Republican eyes.
Just don't end up crashing the Dow and skyrocketing unemployment. I mean, "ed" might look at that as a success. But I certainly won't.
And try to avoid too many wars. Or really, avoid them all, if you can. We are not meant to be the rulers of deserts in Syria.
Again, ed's MMV.
Rhythm and Balls said...
It worked out better than the current one.
So if the unemployment rate and DJIA at the end of Bush's reign were superior to what they are now, you must likely be a fan of even HIGHER unemployment and even LOWER national net worth!
Riiight. The Dow is speculative, it could crash tomorrow. Note, also, the big money is out of the Dow.
Tell me what the bond market's doing. That's the measure of long-term growth.
As for unemployment, Ritmo is probably the only one who buys it's 5% (anybody else want to join him?).
The U-3 and U-6 ignore anybody out of the job market for more than 3 months. They don't exist - like all those people who voted for President Pissy in '12.
We have a labor force of 250 million and 94 million people that should be working aren't, That's about 37% out of work.
Or you could take the employment-population ratio which is at 59, making the unemployment rate 41%, according to David Stockman among others.
A bunch of malarkey intended to deflect from the HISTORICAL FACT (again, he can't find anyone who disagrees) that without TJ's VA bill, the Establishment Clause wouldn't likely have influenced itself. It's a dumb suggestion even, but he asserts it stridently as fact. It's as dumb as to say that there would be national legislation to weaken cannabis prohibition without the momentum it got in the states. Or that there would be federal rulings weakening gay marriage prohibition if that hadn't started in the states. No evidence to make these claims, but that's what you get from a guy with no responsibilities. He's got to give himself the illusion that he's responsible for something that needs doing. Like completely re-writing colonial political history from scratch. Go ed! Submit your thesis whenever you want, to whichever institution will accept it despite not even having accepted your application for admission to their program.
U3 has always been the default (before black presidents were forced to be held to higher-than-before standards) and U6 is almost as low as it was in 2004 and lower than it was in about 1995. Reported by the same sources as have always been considered official but again, ed's agenda (he needs something to do!) is never satisfied.
ed - go work at a soup kitchen if you're so concerned about unemployment. Your complaining isn't helping anyone. Neither is your revisionism. Yes, we understand Mr. Black Liberal is too black and too liberal for you, but numbers are numbers. These things have been measured the same way - even back in the days when you bagged groceries. (Or whatever it is that you did).
Again, he has no basis for the things he believes. He just takes as Gospel the process of defining whatever I say as untruth, and makes the opposite out to be TRUTH.
Truly a stupid way of learning about the world if anyone's ever heard one but ed's got time on his hands and needs things to do (or failing that, to make up out of thin air).
Rhythm and Balls said...
"Carson: The bible also says don't be stupid.
Where does it say that? "
Ephesians 5:17-33
Thanks Meadesey.
Rhythm and Balls said...
A bunch of malarkey intended to deflect from the HISTORICAL FACT (again, he can't find anyone who disagrees) that without TJ's VA bill, the Establishment Clause wouldn't likely have influenced itself.
Whatever that means, mostly that Madison's version really was better, but Ritmo doesn't want to admit it.
He probably also doesn't want to explore the idea that, despite his contention, Tom was hardly a secular humanist in the mold of John Dewey or Whiplash Willie Whitewater or President Pissy or himself.
U3 has always been the default (before black presidents were forced to be held to higher-than-before standards) and U6 is almost as low as it was in 2004 and lower than it was in about 1995. Reported by the same sources as have always been considered official but again, ed's agenda (he needs something to do!) is never satisfied.
Just because they're used doesn't mean they haven't been tampered with. I note Ritmo doesn't go near the fact they ignore anybody out of the job market for more than 3 months.
Too bad people who know what's going on disagree.
Gallup thinks it's a crock
So does the Economic Policy Institute
And so does David Stockman
ed - go work at a soup kitchen if you're so concerned about unemployment. Your complaining isn't helping anyone.
having been shot down by facts, ritmo now claims no interest in the real unemployment rate.
Wow, color me surprised.
DJIA tanked when Democrats took over Congress in 2006.
ed, messiah of the ignorant, adjusts his tinfoil hat as he throws out his straw men, his poor reading comprehension and his insistence that he'll just go ahead and believe whatever he wants to believe.
No one listens to you, ed. This is the the one place in the world where you can come to relieve yourself of that burdensome fact.
It must really be a drag.
Translation:
Ritmo needs to wait 4 hours to make sure the coast is clear after he's been demolished so he can get in his final ad hominem (he clearly hasn't got any other arguments) snark.
ah - the predictable fear mongering conversation about how the GOP candidate is going to enforce some strange weird flat earth theology on the masses.
Well Ed, you did link to people with credential expertise to speak on the subject. By Ritmo rules, he can't contest them without having to turn himself in to police for violating the controlled speech of professionals. What more can he do but throw out ad hominins.
The flat earthers are the real threat. Not the Sharia enthusiasts. Don't let them trick you with their fancy flat-earthing double talk!
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