Tuesday, April 19, 2016

bathrooms

I just now peeked to see if it's safe to enter Twitter zone and noticed Schlichter arguing with people about bathrooms. His point repeated through serial tweets is that he is for women having safety and privacy and his opponents are insisting on trading that to satisfy a few deranged men who think they are women.

He makes a very good solid point.

Concurrently right-o-sphere is sharing the video of the 5'9" guy who challenges college students with a hypothetical on this subject. (I just now realized 5'9" is supposed to connote tall, the whole time I was considering him short as everyone else is taller.) 

BTW, those students appear to be walking to class. The guy has a cameraman with him. The interviewer and his cameraman interrupted the students as they're walking somewhere. They're busy. They're so tall and grown up and mature and well mannered I tend to forget they're, what, seventeen or eighteen. We don't see the students who brushed past too busy to stop. We don't see the ones edited for not working out well. I know what this video is supposed to be showing, and it does show airiness, but what I saw were all really sweet kids. They're open and engaging and friendly and smart. Had the interviewer attempted to sway them instead then we might see them agree that the whole thing really is rather silly.

The right is reacting as if all cases are like Bruce Jenner. 

I'm supposed to say some other name.  

But this small percentage of people are not like that spectacular media case. There really is physical sexual ambiguity. There really are men who live as women and always have. And women who live as men. I wonder, what have they been doing all along about public bathrooms? I know! If passing as women, then they've been doing this all along. Right? This whole thing is having this phenomena acknowledged. Is that so hard to acknowledge? 

What do you want trans people to do? Disappear? Go back to having us not acknowledging their existence? That won't be possible. Because now you know.

Here's a fresh idea I haven't seen discussed anywhere. This is what you need me for because I don't see this elsewhere: 

The right reacts, they write as if they'e reacting, they comment as if they're reacting, that new pervs will be manufactured for the purpose of perving by any new legislation. The legislation itself will draw out new pervs and protect them while endangering women.

Again, that is a very good point to be wary. 

And then I think of the women at ballets and plays and concerts at intermission complaining about the intolerably long lines, a much bigger problem for women because their bathrooms must have stalls than for men who use urinals in their bathrooms and that goes a bit faster, theoretically unless the men are pee shy that night then the whole thing can take considerable time and who also wait when crowds go for the bathrooms. Crowd management is no small thing. The rooms sit empty when the crowds are not there. This is a consideration for concert halls and coliseums and the like. Now what happens with unisex bathrooms? 

People are imagining all existing bathrooms can be switched to unisex all across the nation by law. They must all be stalls. Critically, at any given public place there will not be two unisex bathrooms as imagining all existing dual bathroom be turned unisex.  They will design and build only one bathroom. Convenient for business to install plumbing for one room and not two all across the land. A tremendous advantage in savings altogether. A few more stalls, a lot less urinals. Expect them to not have enough stalls to satisfy both at peak use. Larger bathrooms. More waiting at busy places and times. 

Doesn't bother me at all knowing trans ladies have been using our male bathrooms all along. I kind of like the idea. I don't think ladies mind sharing their bathrooms with kindred spirits with peepees and have been all along.  What hasn't happened is our acknowledging these people exist. And they have to go to the bathroom too. If the law changes then bathrooms will be all stalls and there will be more waiting for stalls. There always are peaks. In the future then, larger size bathrooms mostly underused and insufficient for both at whatever their peak. I'm trying to help you adjust. 

Isn't it interesting observing activists agitate for two opposed positions? The left is agitating the right to accept unisex bathrooms while the left agitates the right to accept increased immigration from populations with religious sensitivity to separation of sexes. Those two things don't go together yet both are demanded. Life itself presents conflicting demands sometimes.  

12 comments:

rcommal said...

Too late, Chip. Too late.

Shouting Thomas said...

Steve Sailer calls your view "minoritarianism."

We've been obsessed with minorities, to the detriment of the majority, for 60 years.

I suspect that trannies are such a tiny minority (even more so than homos) that I wonder why we should be concerning ourselves with them at all.

How about returning the focus to the rights of the majority?

edutcher said...

Funny how what's worked for thousands of years no longer works.

Another explanation for the Donald Trump campaign.

Steg said...

I think a big problem we'll hit is standing vs sitting. With unisex bathrooms, you know damn well men are not going to sit in solidarity with women. Guys piss all over the place, and don't give two shits about it.

Maybe even some bastards will go out of their way to pee on everything just because they're out to sow discord.

Then you get the smearers. Ewww. Does that stuff happen in the women's room? Are both sexes prone to pissing all over and smearing shit on the walls?

ndspinelli said...

Lem's Paglia video has a bit on bathrooms.

bagoh20 said...

The striking thing about the interviews, and it's point I thought, was how the students refused to judge anything as wrong or incorrect even when it was obviously so. He could say he was a tangerine, and they wouldn't even disagree. Of course we know that there are things they judge as wrong, and get all judgy about, like saying obvious truths that they don't want to hear, like conservatives have a right to an opinion in public, or merit is a good way for society to distribute wealth and power.

bagoh20 said...

Here's what will happen: A group of guys or girls will fill up a restroom so that someone of the opposite sex finds it near impossible to go in and do their business. It will be conflict and anger and angst over something that was never a problem to begin with. Progressives are so sad today. They got nothing to rage about that isn't silly. Is there anything the damned boomers haven't sucked dry?

Dust Bunny Queen said...

Isn't it interesting observing activists agitate for two opposed positions? The left is agitating the right to accept unisex bathrooms while the left agitates the right to accept increased immigration from populations with religious sensitivity to separation of sexes.

The more interesting, or actually scary, part is that the left sees absolutely no contradiction in these positions. When there is violence or some other negative physical reaction to their insanity, they will be shocked shocked shocked at the unexpected happening.

And then of course, blame it on someone else. Because THEIR ideas are perfection. It must be someone else, those nasty white KKK Trump supporting goobers who are the culprits.

Chip is quite correct. Commercial establishments will just dispense with the multi stall bathroom concept. Cheaper. Less pluming costs. Less maintenance. They will go with one or two.... or if we are really lucky maybe even 3 single toilet bathrooms. That way they don't have to deal with the potential conflicts and bullshit.

This doesn't bother me at all if the person preceding me was a man or a woman or an undecided. One person at a time. (If a parent, then take your kids with you) Go in. Do your duty. Wash your hands. Get out and leave the place clean for God's sake!!

I was at Trader Joe's a few weeks ago and this is their system. They had two bathrooms. Both were in use. I just stood there until one was free. A guy came out. Big deal. BUT!!!! he did leave the seat up :-)

Dust Bunny Queen said...

pluming = plumbing DOH!

ricpic said...

Why is the Left so hot to trot to breakdown the obvious common sense in separate bathrooms by sex? I think the answer is obvious but hard to explain so I'll just state it without attempting to "understand" it. The Left is passionate about destroying human dignity.

ndspinelli said...

ricpic, The older I get the more I realize EVERYTHING is about CONTROL! That's the answer to your question.

Methadras said...

Shouting Thomas said...

Steve Sailer calls your view "minoritarianism."

We've been obsessed with minorities, to the detriment of the majority, for 60 years.

I suspect that trannies are such a tiny minority (even more so than homos) that I wonder why we should be concerning ourselves with them at all.

How about returning the focus to the rights of the majority?


It's called Tyranny of the Minority and that's the current phase we are in, in the US. Homosexuals make up roughly 2% of the national population and that number is propagated worldwide as well. Th rest of the deviant alphabet T/G/B/Q and whatever else they come up with make up an even tinier percentage. Transvestites (the rodeo clowns of the deviant homosexual sub-culture) are a tiny yet very fabulous/fierce minority while Transgenders are probably the smaller of all of them in the .01% of the 2% range.

ricpic said...

Why is the Left so hot to trot to breakdown the obvious common sense in separate bathrooms by sex? I think the answer is obvious but hard to explain so I'll just state it without attempting to "understand" it. The Left is passionate about destroying human dignity.


Control and power shifting. if the left can co-opt a singular class of people and give them disproportionate power and if they can take that power and couple it with other tiny minority groups with disproportionate powers, then they can form a mesh network of diverse voices that makes them easier to control and promote whatever it is they want to. It's literally about undermining whatever they want to. Remember also, that government is the one that has gone out of it's way to protect these distinct fractious minorities at the expense of the majority. None of these groups would have a lick of influence if it wasn't for government protection and they know it, so they will do anything to keep it.