Tuesday, April 5, 2016

team building / sales

This is a two for one post. Two separate things are discussed.


This is why I despise teams. The post characterizes what I've shut out of Twitter stream. Embarrass them to what end? 

If the point is to have readers not care anymore then it's working. Twitter is nearly useless presently. It's all this sort of thing, truly bad team building and sales techniques, and any bit of news is repeated a thousand times. Elections bring political types to their basic most elemental worst. 

So that's that. 

We cannot do anything about that except control the flow of it or control our place by the river of it. Think about different things instead. 

A new place opened up called Torchy's. Possibly Torches. After months of remodeling an old Arby's. The redesigned space is not all that much different. Imagine a line of people that extends from the counter in the corner the full length of the open space dining room, a cavern, then wrapping around the wall to the outside and back the full length of the building. In freezing weather. Like this:


At odd hours the crowd is less. I went in today at around 3:30 PM, the cavern was packed with people, and it is noisy, but no line at the counter. I told the young girl I hadn't been in before and asked her to recommend her favorite thing. She did. Then said, "Four dollars and fifty cents." Something like that, a ridiculously low amount. I understood instantly why the place is so popular. 

What comes with it? Oh, that's just a taco. But it's big. You can add beans and rice if you want. She never offered a drink. She is sweet, and she is helpful, she recommended a terrific taco, but she failed her employer by not asking me or selling a drink. I thought it odd that she'd think I'd not need one, or come back for one, or discover on my own their separate bar once I'm in there. 

That is case one of pleasant experience containing a sales fail. 

Then to Floyd's for a haircut. (Named for the fictional barber shop in Mayberry.) Another enthusiastic young girl. I asked her if she's been to Torchy's and what is the dealio with the long lines all the time. She spun out her Torchy's spiel with such fervor it made my head spin. She told me the history of Torchys, its origin as another nearby onetime Denver restaurant that closed and reopened in Texas under another name down there and then came back to Denver with their Tex-Mex BBQ that has its established patronage already from the previous incarnation here and from their fans in Texas. She described their simple menu of excellent fire roasted meat with simple fresh vegetables. Boom. Instant success. And all that is odd because there are already two excellent and authentic Mexican restaurants half a block away in two cardinal directions. She told me everything about the draw of the place except the main thing, it's price. All that for Taco Bell pricing. Plus a bar. A complete winning formula that attracts a student type crowd, a definite mixed minority type crowd, hipster types, frankly, the inside looks like a trailer park. A bus terminal. It is in fact a bus stop on a segment of main thoroughfare where bus routes overlap. She said how much they all love it. How they order all the time, how they're over there every day, call in advance for takeout but sometimes they're too busy for that. I'm impressed with her eager description. Her face lights up. She is true sales person. I say so, "You are a remarkable sales person." 

"I know! But that's because I love it so much." 

But sales fail because she did not mention price. And she doesn't work there, she works here at Floyd's. Her sales work is at Floyd's, not Torchy's. Then when my haircut was done she failed to ask me if I would like to try any hair products. A very large portion of the place's sales comes from merchandise. Her enthusiasm does not extend to her employer. She's not so thrilled about about success of her employer as she is excited about the food and the success of Torchy's.  

Three sales fails in two brief interactions, not selling me a drink with a meal, not mentioning the price at Torchy's as one of their outstanding features, (and she doesn't work there anyway) and not selling me products after my haircut. Both of them should be trained for those specific sales pitches, drink and hair products. 

The girl at Torchy's is not a team member, although pleasant and fun and all the rest. And the girl at Floyd's is not a team member because she's pitching for another business, another team and ignoring her own sales, ignoring her own team. 

I'm not complaining. I enjoyed talking to both girls tremendously. Both were helpful to me. But both are not actual team members and both displayed employment sales fails. 

26 comments:

Chip Ahoy said...

Know what else is weird?

This is talk about anything day, so here goes.

The bizarre foods guy, Zimmerman, I think, was visiting in Hanoi. The street food scene has changed dramatically. Zimmerman was blown away and kept repeating how his host's parent's would not recognize the food being sold on the streets today. Very innovative industrious things happening all around. Then at the end with a female Hanoi celebrity and his host Zimmerman is relaxing and recounting. His host speaks a chopped and disjointed English, the woman is considerably better at it. Zimmerman says with Shakespearian drama: "There is absolutely not one single thing about today that I didn't totally enjoy."

A tortured double negative for a complement.

I recalled Kissinger writing about his high level Russian interlocutor, "Showing off his mastery of the double negative again he said it wouldn't be inconceivable that …"

Where a double positives are available for a complements, triple, quadruple, quintuple positives readily available, Zimmerman instead opts for double negative in speaking to two people to whom English is second language, or third, or fourth. And they both got it instantly. Both understood Zimmerman perfectly. They processed his strange double negative correctly as a complement.

Try that in Spanish and see if that's weird. No hay es nadia de hoy que no me gusta totalmente. Something like that. Where, me gustas mucho will do.

Try that in sign and see if anything else would be more clear and better.

Try it in hieroglyphics and wonder why you're drawing or carving all those extra pictures to negate twice so it calculates to a positive statement where straightforward positive statements flourish and are immediately available all around.

It was just so weird watching him struggle to tack that together just to be convoluted. Don't you think the Hanoi people are thinking the same thing in their Vietnamese language, "Why did he say it like that? "

Lem the artificially intelligent said...

Sales people used to go door to door. Something has been lost.

Lem the artificially intelligent said...

Shandling told Jerry how sad it was that when David Brenner died all his material died with him. Comedians in cars getting coffe.

Lem the artificially intelligent said...

Actually I got that backwards. Jerry lamented the loss of the material do to David's demise.

Lem the artificially intelligent said...

Speaking of loss. I was having a hard time remembering the word entropy for reasons that are only aperent to me now. I'm never going to use that word, so what's the point of trying to hold on to it.

Lem the artificially intelligent said...

That's where the phone comes in. There is really no excuse to forget anything I want to remember anymore. There's notes, reminders, calendars.

Lem the artificially intelligent said...

It was unclear what the sign "no soliciting" at places of business meant. I assumed it meant don't come in here just to ask for a job. I was familiar with the word via tv show cops arresting scantily clad dressed women for soliciting.

Lem the artificially intelligent said...

Back in the 80s when I first could go into small clothing store to buy my own clothes, Lords in Jersey City, JFK boulevard, it was owned by twins, I disliked solicitous sales persons.

Now, if I go into Home Depo or Target or another mega store I can't find a sales person.

deborah said...

Entropy increasing always sounds like a paradox to me.

Chip, I guess those girls don't have enough stake to care about extra sales. Or maybe the first one was new and the second's boss wasn't around to see her not offer.

bagoh20 said...

Forgetting is entropy: a gradual decline into disorder.

chickelit said...

Entropy is a difficult concept to grasp. It's like the silent chaos created when ice melts to water. The crystalline phase disappears; internally frustrated solid-phase lattice vibrations silently convert into liquid liquid-phase translations and rotations; degrees of freedom are conserved but increase their measure. Proton transfer becomes possible. And yet nothing has changed chemically because ice is still water except in degree. Entropy increased. Disorder ensued. link

Lem the artificially intelligent said...

Whenever I tried to look it up (entropy) i remember 'emerging' and 'becoming' but entropy is not associated with the word entropy, at least not online. So if you dont remember it, or have it handy on a phone reminder or a sticky note on your monitor, or you don't remember that Chickl has delved into it at some length on his blog... you are out of luck.

Atrophy is sort of associated with it. But atrophy is not an aesthetically pleasing word to remember. So trying to rely on word association is not the best bet in this case.

Lem the artificially intelligent said...

Atrophy is too close catastrophe. Which is more damaging than calamity. But not as horrible as cataclysm.

Now, see, I like cataclysm as a word.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

The theory in sales and cross selling is that when a customer has or uses more than one of your products and/or services then they are more likely to stay with you as a customer. Being that it is just easier to stay put than it is to move your account or change your loyalty to the business.

This is why Banks are so keen on getting their customers to have more than one account. Checking and savings, and perhaps add on a loan for a car, business loan, personal loan. Then further tie your customer to you with ease of access, mobile banking, atm access, bill pay, downloadable data for the customer's accounting program. The more they use your services, the less likely they are to move their accounts.

Same deal with the barber shop. Maybe the hair products are a bit more than if the customer went to WalMart or Target, but the convenience of buying at the same time you are getting one service done (hair cut) versus then having to drive all over town to buy the same thing....keeps the client with the barber shop. Plus the personal service of someone you know and like offering to advise you on what hair product to buy....priceless.

Maybe the owners of these businesses need to educate their employees on the psychological importance of cross selling and how it will enhance their own employment opportunity....keep the business IN business. Right now, the employees probably just feel that it is a greedy, useless thing to do, when it is actually quite vital to the company and to themselves as employees.

deborah said...

A great word, cataclysm. Catechism, also.

deborah said...

DBQ, along those lines, I've read the most predictive factor in whether you'll buy a product is if you've bought it before.

Lem the artificially intelligent said...

A great word, cataclysm. Catechism, also.

Yea, but 'catacomb' leaves them all in the dust.

deborah said...

Catatonic's a downer.

MamaM said...

Chip, I guess those girls don't have enough stake to care about extra sales. Or maybe the first one was new and the second's boss wasn't around to see her not offer.

Maybe. I go back to the thought of education being a fire to be lit, not a bucket to be filled.

ChipA's fire is lit in this post, triggering off thoughts in others that range from entropy to catacombs, with DBQ teaching me something I didn't know about sales by sharing something she knows from her lived experience. When there's a lit fire, its easy to catch a spark or light another with a glowing stick from the first.

Floyd the Barber is still alive and cutting hair. SonM was in Mount Airy (Andy Griffith's real home town) this winter and stopped by Floyd's Barber shop to get a haircut. I don't think Floyd sold him any extra product but he did leave with a picture of the event.

deborah said...

chick:

"degrees of freedom are conserved but increase their measure."

Will you please explain this?

Chip Ahoy said...

In the crossword world, the word that was most controversial among solvers is "octopus" The problem with the word and its variants, octipodes, what have you, hasdto do with one portion being Latin and the other portion being Greek.

Don't these "cata" words sound Greek?

English drawing from both L and G and from even more roots, then can arrange a series of disasters by degree drawing from various roots and sticking them in the continuum of disastrous words.

calamity, catastrophe, cataclysm.

It's not so much a continuum as a concept cloud, holocaust, maelstrom, misfortune, tragedy, upheaval, acts of god, force majeur, tsunami, clysmic, clysmian, havoc, apocalypse, armageddon, avalanche, convulsion, debacle, devastation, misfortune, tribulation, bale.
cata = down downward, catadromous, as cataract
cata = wrongly badly, as catachresis, catastrophe
cata = completely, thoroughly, as catechize
cata - against, as catapult

That's a lot of ways for cata to be bad, that cata is just like the hieroglyph G37 little pointy tailed sparrow, see that little pointy tail bird and right off you know right off it means "bad" somehow.

My favorite continuum like that calamity, catastrophe, cataclysm one is:

adage, aphorism, maxim,

in the cloud: saw, proverb, saying, apothegm epigram, sententia, axiom, bumper sticker,

Another favorite continuum, cluster thing is; analogy, metaphor, allegory, and all the words clustered around them, analogue, connection, corollary, parallels, similitude, correspondence, parity, translation, eikonology, paradigm, dead metaphor, frozen metaphor, synesthetic metaphor, parable, apologue, oneiric, and all the rest bearing on things standing for other things.

Chip Ahoy said...

Degrees of freedom conserved but increase their measure. I visualized the water evaporating to gas.

deborah said...

Cool connection, but I think he's referring to ice meltng...we'll find out when he gets back!

rcocean said...

Amazing, chip can turn a trip to a barbershop into an interesting post.

Here's my thing. I hate salesman or employees trying to "sell" me things.

Back off. Don't crowd me. Don't tell me about the "great deals" or "how great X is".
Don't tell me about your "special" or how "what about a drink with that".

Don't hover around me, and ask me if you can "help me find something".

If I want to buy something, I'll say so.

chickelit said...

deborah asked Will you please explain "degrees of freedom are conserved but increase their measure."

"Degrees of freedom" is chemistry speak for distinct ways atoms and molecules can move. For example, a gas atom has three translational* degrees of freedom, corresponding to the three cartesian x, y, and z directions. Atoms can't rotate. Molecules can move in three dimensions (translate) as well as rotate.

So imagine a water molecule frozen with its translations and rotations hindered and frustrated. Then imagine the same water with the same "freedoms" loosened and more fully expressed (increased their measure -- or better their range of motion).

Chip took it to the next level, imagining the water molecule being a gas with completely unhindered translations and rotations.

I started writing a blog post a while about the "conservation of freedom" using ice skaters as an example instead of molecules. Got bogged down in technicalities. I need a simple free drawing program to make sketches to illustrate.
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*The word translational here has nothing to do with languages, although the words are cognate. Translation here means across from side to side. Think lateral motion in football.

deborah said...

Thanks, chick.

You remind me of how Jimmy Swaggart used to say that at death people would be translated into the Kingdom of God, or the like. I always thought it was an interesting use of the word.