This makes me cream and I slip into song, ♬ "I'm so glad, I'm so glad, I'm glad, I'm glad, I'm glad." *guitar riff*
I entered those words, "fury as colorado no primary no caucus" and the explanation provided on pages is so parliamentarian-arianisticly convoluted that it describes Trump as "establishment" candidate along with Cruz. Yes, establishment, Percy, but not establishment establishment, that is to say antiestablishment. And that's the problem right there. Their explanation is a correction to a correction to a practice that purposefully put distance between grassroots concerned civic-minded citizens and duke it out political fanatic types. Extreme A-types with a serious political bend.
Delegates so that their esteemed vote counts for a thousand votes. They must, they must, must, must, become such people. Driven people. Driven by politics to the extent the personality is actually damaged. That is what you must become to join the guild. A-types who argue about everything including where to have dinner. They'll ask for your ideas so they can be rejected, just an opening bid for their own insistence. Then having lobbied obnoxiously for the place to gather for dinner then lobby for the best route to get there. Endless competition of wills for everything. Then once there lobby for best wine and the best thing to order. That is what and who you must become to participate in their club.
Rejected. And that give me glee. Now all the delegates go in raw. They forfeited their ability to shut out and their influence nearly entirely. Now with none of them bound the delegates must at least listen if not actually heed. *Martha Stewart voice* "And that's a good thing."
This is beyond anything I've ever seen before. The GOP/GOPe is utterly defunct. This is voter subversion and election rigging in plain sight, pure and simple and for Cruz to take a victory lap for doing nothing pisses me off frankly. I've told you all that I'm not a Trump supporter, but after this, I might become one in utter protest.
"That organizational effort was a stark contrast to Trump's campaign, which only had a handful of volunteers distributing delegate candidate lists. The Trump slate was riddled with errors.([no way! - Trump never makes errors])
According to NBC News, the Trump campaign failed to put forward a candidate slate in some of the earlier district-level contests. In another congressional district, two of the candidates they urged voters to back did not, in fact, make it onto the ballot.
"What this says for the Trump campaign is, you need to get your stuff in gear," said former Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele. "Because you're about to get your clock cleaned on the easy stuff. A lot of folks look at, we just won the primary. The isn't about just winning the primary. It's about winning delegates. You get your delegates wherever and however you can."
Indeed, the Trump campaign has made changes in recent days, bringing in longtime Washington operative Paul Manafort to play a role in convention preparation, as well as broader campaign strategy.
Manafort was asked about the result in Colorado on NBC's Meet The Press on Sunday and responded, "I acknowledge that we weren't playing in Colorado and they did."
They changed the rules in Colorado when the GOPe insiders realized that there would be more interest in caucusing THIS year and that the people would actually be coming to the caucus locations.
It was last August when officials with the Republican Party in Colorado decided they would not let voters take part in the early nomination process.
The Denver Post reported Aug. 25: “The GOP executive committee has voted to cancel the traditional presidential preference poll after the national party changed its rules to require a state’s delegates to support the candidate that wins the caucus vote.”
“GOP leaders have never provided a satisfactory reason for forgoing a presidential preference poll, although party chairman Steve House suggested on radio at one point that too many Republicans would otherwise flock to their local caucus.
“Imagine that: party officials fearing that an interesting race might propel thousands of additional citizens to participate. But of course that might dilute the influence of elites and insiders. You can see why that could upset the faint-hearted.”
OMG.....can't have that. The nasty dirty people actually voting and participating. They might vote for someone they want and not who the insiders want. So....let's just skip that representation and will of the people thingy....it is soooooo inconvenient.
But....April is good with that. Nope nothing to see here. Screw the voters and what they want.
The Cruzzers have been trying to justify this, but it looks like it's gonna fall flat.
I have a feeling all this delegate poaching and theft was never intended to be public knowledge until Cruz upset the app;e cart at the convention, but Roe and his acolytes couldn't help but indulge in a little crowing.
PS Trump had a lean organization so he could react quickly.
He must have expected the "Christian" in the race to play fair and square like everybody else.
DBQ - You don't recall that I complained when the CO GOP didn't have a caucus? That's OK. I don't expect total recall on-line.
This may end up as a favor to Trump, considering the outrage... As Trump supporters, don't sweat it!
I have no control over the CO GOP. I do not participate at all. I should, but I do not.
Assuming Trump would have won CO is a stretch. The only way to know at this point is to go ahead with a caucus vote. The CO GOP may well be forced to do so.
Don't back track April. You were just now crowing about how Cruz is uber smarter than Trump because he played the rigged game which disenfranchised the voters and is controlled by a small cadre of connected elites. Shut and stop whining you say.
THIS is the party machinations that you approve of and which the rest of us find distasteful to say the least.
Like I've said. If Cruz were to win fair and square then I might consider voting for him (not that my vote matters in California). NONE of this is fair and square. The system for both parties is a steaming pile of corruption. Antiquated and meant to keep the party members from actually having a choice in the candidate for election. A cabal of people who think that THEY are our betters. And YOU are good with this because you happen to like the candidate of the GOP...this year anyway....Cruz.
Be honest and tell us how you would feel if the anointed candidate were Trump instead of Cruz. Would you defend the process then? Would you tell yourself to shut up, sit down, and stop whining? I sincerely doubt it. Hypocrisy is difficult to discern when it is at the end of your own nose.
Ed- You should go work for Trump. Your logic and gateway pundit reasoning are a big reason why I refuse to support Trump. Good going!
Whatever that means.
Hey, your boy is being exposed for the hypocrite he is. Tough tamales there, kid, but that's what happens when you willingly hire the dirtiest man in politics as your campaign manager, but still want to portray yourself as Mr Morality.
Most Americans still believe in fair play and everybody gets a chance. Gonna be interesting to see how this hits his standings in the polls. He's supposed to be the big Constitutionalist (y'know, one man, one vote), but he has no problem freezing out people if they're not for him.
I guess we'll find out how many honest people support him.
DBQ - I'm not backtracking. I know what I said when I said it. It was a month or so ago, and I complained that the GOP in CO was skipping the caucus. Cruz and Trump both had an equal opportunity to use the rules in place in CO. Trump blew-off CO.
@ BDQ - "Be honest and tell us how you would feel if the anointed candidate were Trump instead of Cruz. Would you defend the process then? Would you tell yourself to shut up, sit down, and stop whining? I sincerely doubt it. Hypocrisy is difficult to discern when it is at the end of your own nose."
I'm not telling voters to stop whining, I'm telling Trump to stop whining. His constant "No fair" message is tired. Fair enough DBQ - If Trump won all the delegates in CO without a vote, I'm sure I'd be upset, but not if he did it inside the existing rule box.
There are MANY places someone fascinated w/ the West should visit. I have mentioned Glenwood Springs and hiking up to the grave of Doc Holliday. You can go to he hot springs where Doc bathed and now watch Eastern Europeans in Speedos and babushka's. I have mentioned Utah and Robber's Roost, Deadwood and visiting the graves of Hickock, Calamity[you can drive to that graveyard]. I have suggested the John Wayne Museum, a short drive from the Bob Feller birthplace. That's just a few places I have suggested. But first, one must get off their front stoop in Brooklyn.
I'm not telling voters to stop whining, I'm telling Trump to stop whining. His constant "No fair" message is tired.
No, dear, he's being vindicated and it's only your blind hatred of the man that won't allow you to see it.
But consider this, if you dare. Did any of the other 10 or so hopefuls engage in this?
Did Rand try it, Rubio, Fiorina, Carson?
Did Jeb! or Christie or Santorum?
Has Kasich tried it?
Nope, everybody else let the will of the people stand. Everybody but the guy who sees himself as the Anointed One - even if he is bought and paid for by Goldman Sachs and Chase and McConnell and the Bush family.
Everybody played on the grounds that the will of the people was the end of it. It's the reason Trump didn't have battalions of lawyers at all these conventions and caucuses. He fought it out on the ground like everybody else.
Everybody but Lyin', Hypocrite, Holier-Than-Thou, Cheatin' Ted.
It seems everything breaks down between Trump lovers and haters. I can be objective. The Lewandoski "assualt" was horseshit. And, this Colorado robbery is horseshit as well.
I don't think it's "Trump lovers and haters", but some of the Cruz people have gotten to the point it's a holy crusade.
You don't hear that level of vitriol (and I don't think you ever did) from somebody who was a Rand partisan, or a Rubio, or Jeb! or Christie fan.
Granted, the Libertarians are all over this as an opportunity of trying to take over Conservatism and make it part of the Libertarian movement - that's why you see Erickson and Beck trying to read so many people out of the Conservative movement and there seem to be paid-off trolls as well as bloggers, but, when I still went over to Insta, you did find some people who were willing to be reasonable.
Those, I think, are facing some hard choices today because opposing this kind of political insiderism is why they supported Cruz in the first place.
I don't listen to Beck... ever. It's insulting to listen to Trumpsters prattle on endlessly that anyone who doesn't automatically support the One True Trump cannot possibility think for themselves and must be brain-washed by Glenn Beck and others.
I'm anti-Trump because of Trump's behavior. I suggest Trump supporters call Trump on the phone and beg him to start acting like an adult.
I think it is an interesting point that when the choice narrowed to these two men......nobody is picking Ted. Christie and Carson went for Trump. Little Marco could never support Trump after he kept giving him wedgies. Why didn't he support his fellow Cuban? Why is that when people get to know Ted they want to walk out into traffic?
Because his fellow Cuban screwed him royally in HI. No polls were ahead of the HI caucus, but I'll bet Marco The Magnificent had a pretty good shot at winning it until Mr Morality spread the rumor Marco had dropped out.
Winning another state might have given him a little bit of momentum going into FL.
Thus Marco decided to be guided by that old Cuban proverb - Revenge is a dish best served cold.
I never get enough of Trump whining "It's not FAIR!" Such a big man.
he also doesn't understand the rules in CO or North Dakota. But why trouble yourself with such thing when you have people to do that?
April, I don't give a fuck what the rules are in CO, so when you shut down voting, that's subversion and theft. One man/woman, one vote. That's how it works. You don't get to win without voting, otherwise what is the point? The GOPe pulling this bullshit is nothing more than confirming they are not better than Democrats in vote rigging and disenfranchisement. It's wrong and I'm a little surprised you seem to be tacitly approving of this by claiming that Trump doesn't understand the rule sin CO or ND. Most people wouldn't after what the GOPe just pulled in CO. So Trump claiming an unfair situation is spot on and even though you don't support him should be up in arms over this and you're not.
I get you aren't a Trump supporter and I understand why, but your hatred for this guy seems to be blinding you to the totality of the game changing tactics that the GOPe just did in subverting the republic and it happened right before your eyes and you seem to be glad because it hurts the guy you hate, not the fact that it hurts the country.
Assuming Trump would have won CO is a stretch. The only way to know at this point is to go ahead with a caucus vote. The CO GOP may well be forced to do so.
I guess we'll never know now will we. When will the GOPe and it's voters ever learn that we are doing the Democrats job for them for fucks sake. GOPe has the worst messaging and tactics for winning elections I've ever seen. They do not have their shit together at all and Obama and Democrats are laughing their asses off over it.
Show me ONE poll where Trump is ahead of Hillary in the general.
Meth - re-read my posts
I read your posts and I'm still dismayed you are tacitly sticking to your guns on this. You haven't uttered one word in anger over what the GOPe did to voters in CO. You don't want to be angry over this, that's fine, but what is the one distinct advantage of being an american citizen has? The right to vote and that this right is counted once. At this point, I don't believe in that anymore after this. All of the attacks my citizenship has taken from DC is too much at this point. I as a citizen and a voter am screwed and the GOPe just put the nail in the coffin of that. Fuck the rules, fuck the regulations, fuck the parties. This is war and Reince Preibus being silent on this just put him in the target hairs of anyone that can get close to him and end his miserable existence. He's a piece of shit for letting this happen and the GOPe too. Every one of them is now my enemy.
Show me ONE poll where Trump is ahead of Hillary in the general.
Show me ONE poll where Lyin', Hypocrite, Holier-Than-Thou, Cheatin' Ted is ahead of Hillary in the general.
Unless, of course, you honestly believe Kasich, 8 months out, is the only one capable of beating Queen Cacklepants.
For Christ's sake, quit insulting everybody's intelligence, including your own, and knock off this business about how much you want to beat Hillary. It's all about Trump with you because he said something nice about her rather than provoke a corrupt, vindictive political machine.
You don't give a damn if Hillary wins. All you care about is hating Trump. Anybody who would support a slug like Cruz when you know he's in the pocket of the Whigs has lost all credibility.
Eddie we can get mad but lets try and not get over the top. April has a crush on Ted the Most Conservative Man in the World. Women are flighty creatures. You can't get into her head. You can't convince them that they are wrong. That this guy is all wrong for them. We just have to support her and be there when Cruz does something that makes her want to walk out into traffic.
How can someone who wants an outsider who's against this kind of machinations support them when it's thrown in her face in her own backyard?
I know, feelings, not facts.
That's the weird part. Sometimes, not always, but a good bit of the time, when The Blonde just doesn't get it, I can lay out something with all the facts and she sees it, no problem. Maybe it's because she's a nurse* and has to go by facts.
* She's sure Hillary's got something seriously neurological wrong with her. She worked rehab 8 years and can spot this stuff.
I just want it known that this isn't so much about April, but rather the idea that an entire states votes can be disenfranchised and utterly subverted by a party. To quote POTUS Urkel who uses this refrain often, "This is not who we are." HA!!!
oopsy daisy said...
Thus Marco decided to be guided by that old Cuban proverb - Revenge is a dish best served cold.
Not for me it isn't. Revenge is a dish best served flaming hot and preferably in jacketed hollow points.
If you think you're just one little voice that can't be heard, take a look at the image on the home page of this post.
One man wanted to be a Trump delegate and he was stiff-armed by the state machine and the Cruz crowd and then complained about it with documentation.
The only reason so much Hell is being raised is because that one man then made a video of him as he tore up his Republican registration card. And people took notice.
I have no idea how this will end, but we can be heard - there's always Cleveland, it's an easy drive, 2 days max, from most parts of the Eastern US.
What should we do?
I keep coming back to Douglas MacArthur's final speech at West Point on what it's all about
a million ghosts in olive drab, in brown khaki, in blue and gray, would rise from their white crosses thundering those magic words: Duty, Honor, Country.
Nick, the Lewandowski "assault" was something that should have been dealt with by an apology. He was slightly rough with a female reporter. What drove the accusation is when they said she was lying. Criminal charge? That is OTT, but this was an unforced error by Lewandowski politically.
Evi, Completely agree. But, NYers don't apologize, see, they just don't...see. They're tough..see. They cuff around women, see[Edward G Robinson voice]. And they then eat a Nathan's hot dog. NTTAWWT. Now, I believe the Polish Pugilist, Lewandoski, is from where our resident homo lives. But, you know anything involving Trump is he calls ALL the shots. Can't you just hear him saying, "We NEVER apologize!"
This is interesting to follow, as I am no longer affiliating with either party or any party. I'm a detached objectivist.
The Democrats and the Republicans are equally corrupt.
Both parties have convinced primary voters and caucassers that the primary process is important, and that their votes and ballots will determine which candidate is nominated.
Which is total bullshit.
Because the Dem establishment has rigged the Dem process to award Hillary Clinton that party's nomination, and the GOP establishment has rigged the GOP process to award Ted Cruz (better known as "New Marco") that party's nomination.
If you think otherwise, you're a rube. And there are a lot of rubes. And the rubes are figuring out the game, and they are muy angry. Muy, muy, muy.
The Sanders supporters are rubes. The Trump supporters are rubes. The Cruz supporters are neo-rubes, they have not yet accepted that their party is going to dump them for Romney or Ryan sor some combination of the two.
So good luck to both sides. Your betters are laughing at you behind your backs.
the GOP establishment has rigged the GOP process to award Ted Cruz (better known as "New Marco") that party's nomination.
I don't think so.
The Whigs don't trust or like Cruz any more than anyone else. They want somebody like Ryan.
Cruz is like Reinhard Heydrich - nobody knows who he'll try to destroy next. Nobody is safe around him and clearly he's created a machine whose acolytes will go after anyone who is not one of the fold.
He's doublecrossed Rubio as cheerfully as Carson. And, if the sex allegations are true, he'll clearly doublecross his own family (that may be part of the bargain like the Os, the Edwardses, and so many others).
I think when the dust settles, you'll see some deal cut between Trump and the Whigs to stop him because the Whigs have to face the fact well over half the people who have voted so far aren't going to sit still for a Whig candidate.
Cuff around? Seriously? What happened happens every day on the F train. Plus the bruises are on her forearm and he grabbed her upper arm. But you are right. That's was intolerable! Trump should insist that only men be in the press scrum. Behind a rope the away Hillary does it. That should solve the problem.
Ms Fields can better utilize her time accusing more of her colleagues of sexual harassment. Or she can go to work for her Moms organization that helps get more illegals in from her native Gutamala. That's the ticket!
The GOP did have a caucus vote. They ditched the non-binding straw poll. The rules were changed back in August. 40% of the district Caucasus goers were NEW this year.
Trump knew he was going to lose the CO convention vote so he cancelled. Now he's whining about it. He never did a thing to get a single delegate to vote for him. Trump said FU to Colorado.
Unless you agree that the rules should be changed mid-game, you are the shameful Trumpster, ed. you brain-dead freak.
I'm not ashamed of anything but you ed. You are an embarrassment.
Among other news of Trump's organizational failures, it was reported today that two of his kids (Ivanka and Eric?) failed to register for primary voting before the deadline and won't be able to pull the lever for daddy.
If it makes you feel better, Trump isn't the only one who flubs the very detailed rules of primary/caucus Monopoly. I read today that Hillary's win in Nevada was reversed because her delegates forgot to show up and register their votes at the party meeting.
"Among other news of Trump's organizational failures"
When was it a parent's responsibility to get his kids registered?
When they work for his campaign and he trots them out as surrogates, dodo.
It's embarrassing optics, at the least. Which he seems to excel at, given how much he tries to re-package that as a strength - at least to the 30% of America that's open to having anything politically to do with him.
Which he seems to excel at, given how much he tries to re-package that as a strength - at least to the 30% of America that's open to having anything politically to do with him.
Actually, that's about how much of the republican Party that wants anything to do with the One True Ted.
And he's their father, not their keeper, moron.
Too bad you don't seem to get the concept of personal responsibility. It's a necessity for a good parent.
Too bad you don't seem to get the concept of personal responsibility. It's a necessity for a good parent.
Actually in this context he's their employer, ed. Know anything about that? You keep missing the point.
Now do I get to call you a "moron" also or can you dish it out but not take it?
Yes, we understand TrusTed is almost as unlikeable. But that's the problem of your party imploding on ideas that have lost their relevance to America's situation. So it splits between two base components left to articulate the stripped-down, bare bones skeleton of a zombie party: RIght-wing populist rage and the right-wing ideological pabulum that the establishment machine always gave such great lip service to, no matter how far to the extreme it could be pushed.
Just face it. Your party's no longer working for America. Time for a shift back to something closer to what was normal in our country's glory days.
I understand you can't stand it. Almost no one here can. But these "country" things can't be governed by one narrow faction, alone. Eventually the other side has to be given its say and contribute its own solutions. That's just how it works.
Hand over the steering wheel and cool off. We'll let you back in the car when your partisan, ideological fever subsides for a few decades.
There's a lot of cleaning up to do. NOT by the people who made the mess.
Jesus Christ ed. Trump made an embarrassing little boo-boo. It would be like parading around the First Lady (something I've never been a fan of, anyway) and having her snub him. It just doesn't reflect well on him. Again. Grow up and stop missing the point.
And keep trying to re-litigate that whole episode of 1933 - 1968. Americans will be forced into re-education camps to deprogram them from their historical memories and love of the incredible leadership of FDR and the examples he set, but I guess it will be worth it. 1808 is so much more important to them. And anyway, isn't that when all the excesses that led to the Andrew Jackson presidency began?
You really have to stop taking every damn thing so personally and being a partisan obsessive fanatic. There are other things to enjoy in life.
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What a disaster of an election.
It started out really well too.
Daddy Cruz may end up begging Trump to take the state.
This kind of publicity he did not need.
PS Remember all those stories about vote flipping 4 years ago?
Well, looks like WI didn't get the message it was a no-no.
(I'm sure April will call this whining)
Ummmm, he said H-E-double fuck you sticks.
My favorite part was when he pointed. Desperately wanted the fire alarm to go off. Would have been great if it had sprinklers.
*open shirt, checks* I did not turn furry.
Dad kept telling me if I'd just keep taking sip s of whisky it'd grow hair on my chest. *hic* fuk'n liar.
This makes me cream and I slip into song, ♬ "I'm so glad, I'm so glad, I'm glad, I'm glad, I'm glad." *guitar riff*
I entered those words, "fury as colorado no primary no caucus" and the explanation provided on pages is so parliamentarian-arianisticly convoluted that it describes Trump as "establishment" candidate along with Cruz. Yes, establishment, Percy, but not establishment establishment, that is to say antiestablishment. And that's the problem right there. Their explanation is a correction to a correction to a practice that purposefully put distance between grassroots concerned civic-minded citizens and duke it out political fanatic types. Extreme A-types with a serious political bend.
Delegates so that their esteemed vote counts for a thousand votes. They must, they must, must, must, become such people. Driven people. Driven by politics to the extent the personality is actually damaged. That is what you must become to join the guild. A-types who argue about everything including where to have dinner. They'll ask for your ideas so they can be rejected, just an opening bid for their own insistence. Then having lobbied obnoxiously for the place to gather for dinner then lobby for the best route to get there. Endless competition of wills for everything. Then once there lobby for best wine and the best thing to order. That is what and who you must become to participate in their club.
Rejected. And that give me glee. Now all the delegates go in raw. They forfeited their ability to shut out and their influence nearly entirely. Now with none of them bound the delegates must at least listen if not actually heed. *Martha Stewart voice* "And that's a good thing."
I have never been to Colorado. I might like to go to research some of the westerns I want to write.
Denver had some interesting history.
This is beyond anything I've ever seen before. The GOP/GOPe is utterly defunct. This is voter subversion and election rigging in plain sight, pure and simple and for Cruz to take a victory lap for doing nothing pisses me off frankly. I've told you all that I'm not a Trump supporter, but after this, I might become one in utter protest.
It's like gay marriage.
Colorado is a place you stop when you can't get a direct flight.
Tucson - Phoenix - Flagstaff - Denver - Idlewild being the first visit.
Frontier / United.
Trooper York said...
I have never been to Colorado. I might like to go to research some of the westerns I want to write.
Denver had some interesting history.
Denver had a wild history.
If you go, be careful out there. I've yet to meet anyone from CO who wasn't at least a bit off kilter some way.
Troop you can go to Glenwood Springs. I suspect you would like that.
Colorado sucks. I suggest everyone get out now.
Did they lace the snack table with marijuana edibles? That will spice up a GOP state event!
I never get enough of Trump whining "It's not FAIR!"
Such a big man.
he also doesn't understand the rules in CO or North Dakota. But why trouble yourself with such thing when you have people to do that?
In contrast to the "Not fair" whining on Drudge
Reality:
"That organizational effort was a stark contrast to Trump's campaign, which only had a handful of volunteers distributing delegate candidate lists. The Trump slate was riddled with errors. ([no way! - Trump never makes errors])
According to NBC News, the Trump campaign failed to put forward a candidate slate in some of the earlier district-level contests. In another congressional district, two of the candidates they urged voters to back did not, in fact, make it onto the ballot.
"What this says for the Trump campaign is, you need to get your stuff in gear," said former Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele. "Because you're about to get your clock cleaned on the easy stuff. A lot of folks look at, we just won the primary. The isn't about just winning the primary. It's about winning delegates. You get your delegates wherever and however you can."
Indeed, the Trump campaign has made changes in recent days, bringing in longtime Washington operative Paul Manafort to play a role in convention preparation, as well as broader campaign strategy.
Manafort was asked about the result in Colorado on NBC's Meet The Press on Sunday and responded, "I acknowledge that we weren't playing in Colorado and they did."
The fact is, and even you complained about it, the people were not allowed to participate.
That to which Drudge is objecting is that a Trump supporter, even acting on his own, was disallowed simply because of who he was.
So, if it hurts Trump, no matter how unfairly the electorate is treated, it's OK with you.
Got it.
They changed the rules in Colorado when the GOPe insiders realized that there would be more interest in caucusing THIS year and that the people would actually be coming to the caucus locations.
It was last August when officials with the Republican Party in Colorado decided they would not let voters take part in the early nomination process.
The Denver Post reported Aug. 25: “The GOP executive committee has voted to cancel the traditional presidential preference poll after the national party changed its rules to require a state’s delegates to support the candidate that wins the caucus vote.”
“GOP leaders have never provided a satisfactory reason for forgoing a presidential preference poll, although party chairman Steve House suggested on radio at one point that too many Republicans would otherwise flock to their local caucus.
“Imagine that: party officials fearing that an interesting race might propel thousands of additional citizens to participate. But of course that might dilute the influence of elites and insiders. You can see why that could upset the faint-hearted.”
OMG.....can't have that. The nasty dirty people actually voting and participating. They might vote for someone they want and not who the insiders want. So....let's just skip that representation and will of the people thingy....it is soooooo inconvenient.
But....April is good with that. Nope nothing to see here. Screw the voters and what they want.
The Cruzzers have been trying to justify this, but it looks like it's gonna fall flat.
I have a feeling all this delegate poaching and theft was never intended to be public knowledge until Cruz upset the app;e cart at the convention, but Roe and his acolytes couldn't help but indulge in a little crowing.
PS Trump had a lean organization so he could react quickly.
He must have expected the "Christian" in the race to play fair and square like everybody else.
DBQ - You don't recall that I complained when the CO GOP didn't have a caucus? That's OK. I don't expect total recall on-line.
This may end up as a favor to Trump, considering the outrage... As Trump supporters, don't sweat it!
I have no control over the CO GOP. I do not participate at all. I should, but I do not.
Assuming Trump would have won CO is a stretch. The only way to know at this point is to go ahead with a caucus vote. The CO GOP may well be forced to do so.
Ed- You should go work for Trump. Your logic and gateway pundit reasoning are a big reason why I refuse to support Trump. Good going!
It's called shitting on the voters.
Don't back track April. You were just now crowing about how Cruz is uber smarter than Trump because he played the rigged game which disenfranchised the voters and is controlled by a small cadre of connected elites. Shut and stop whining you say.
THIS is the party machinations that you approve of and which the rest of us find distasteful to say the least.
Like I've said. If Cruz were to win fair and square then I might consider voting for him (not that my vote matters in California). NONE of this is fair and square. The system for both parties is a steaming pile of corruption. Antiquated and meant to keep the party members from actually having a choice in the candidate for election. A cabal of people who think that THEY are our betters. And YOU are good with this because you happen to like the candidate of the GOP...this year anyway....Cruz.
Be honest and tell us how you would feel if the anointed candidate were Trump instead of Cruz. Would you defend the process then? Would you tell yourself to shut up, sit down, and stop whining? I sincerely doubt it. Hypocrisy is difficult to discern when it is at the end of your own nose.
AprilApple said...
Ed- You should go work for Trump. Your logic and gateway pundit reasoning are a big reason why I refuse to support Trump. Good going!
Whatever that means.
Hey, your boy is being exposed for the hypocrite he is. Tough tamales there, kid, but that's what happens when you willingly hire the dirtiest man in politics as your campaign manager, but still want to portray yourself as Mr Morality.
Most Americans still believe in fair play and everybody gets a chance. Gonna be interesting to see how this hits his standings in the polls. He's supposed to be the big Constitutionalist (y'know, one man, one vote), but he has no problem freezing out people if they're not for him.
I guess we'll find out how many honest people support him.
DBQ - I'm not backtracking. I know what I said when I said it. It was a month or so ago, and I complained that the GOP in CO was skipping the caucus. Cruz and Trump both had an equal opportunity to use the rules in place in CO. Trump blew-off CO.
@ BDQ - "Be honest and tell us how you would feel if the anointed candidate were Trump instead of Cruz. Would you defend the process then? Would you tell yourself to shut up, sit down, and stop whining? I sincerely doubt it. Hypocrisy is difficult to discern when it is at the end of your own nose."
I'm not telling voters to stop whining, I'm telling Trump to stop whining. His constant "No fair" message is tired.
Fair enough DBQ - If Trump won all the delegates in CO without a vote, I'm sure I'd be upset, but not if he did it inside the existing rule box.
Bringing attention to the situation, is not whining. Hello?
There are MANY places someone fascinated w/ the West should visit. I have mentioned Glenwood Springs and hiking up to the grave of Doc Holliday. You can go to he hot springs where Doc bathed and now watch Eastern Europeans in Speedos and babushka's. I have mentioned Utah and Robber's Roost, Deadwood and visiting the graves of Hickock, Calamity[you can drive to that graveyard]. I have suggested the John Wayne Museum, a short drive from the Bob Feller birthplace. That's just a few places I have suggested. But first, one must get off their front stoop in Brooklyn.
AprilApple said...
I'm not telling voters to stop whining, I'm telling Trump to stop whining. His constant "No fair" message is tired.
No, dear, he's being vindicated and it's only your blind hatred of the man that won't allow you to see it.
But consider this, if you dare. Did any of the other 10 or so hopefuls engage in this?
Did Rand try it, Rubio, Fiorina, Carson?
Did Jeb! or Christie or Santorum?
Has Kasich tried it?
Nope, everybody else let the will of the people stand. Everybody but the guy who sees himself as the Anointed One - even if he is bought and paid for by Goldman Sachs and Chase and McConnell and the Bush family.
Everybody played on the grounds that the will of the people was the end of it. It's the reason Trump didn't have battalions of lawyers at all these conventions and caucuses. He fought it out on the ground like everybody else.
Everybody but Lyin', Hypocrite, Holier-Than-Thou, Cheatin' Ted.
It seems everything breaks down between Trump lovers and haters. I can be objective. The Lewandoski "assualt" was horseshit. And, this Colorado robbery is horseshit as well.
I don't think it's "Trump lovers and haters", but some of the Cruz people have gotten to the point it's a holy crusade.
You don't hear that level of vitriol (and I don't think you ever did) from somebody who was a Rand partisan, or a Rubio, or Jeb! or Christie fan.
Granted, the Libertarians are all over this as an opportunity of trying to take over Conservatism and make it part of the Libertarian movement - that's why you see Erickson and Beck trying to read so many people out of the Conservative movement and there seem to be paid-off trolls as well as bloggers, but, when I still went over to Insta, you did find some people who were willing to be reasonable.
Those, I think, are facing some hard choices today because opposing this kind of political insiderism is why they supported Cruz in the first place.
YMMV
I don't listen to Beck... ever.
It's insulting to listen to Trumpsters prattle on endlessly that anyone who doesn't automatically support the One True Trump cannot possibility think for themselves and must be brain-washed by Glenn Beck and others.
I'm anti-Trump because of Trump's behavior. I suggest Trump supporters call Trump on the phone and beg him to start acting like an adult.
I think it is an interesting point that when the choice narrowed to these two men......nobody is picking Ted. Christie and Carson went for Trump. Little Marco could never support Trump after he kept giving him wedgies. Why didn't he support his fellow Cuban? Why is that when people get to know Ted they want to walk out into traffic?
Droll, sir.
Trooper York said...
Why didn't he support his fellow Cuban?
Because his fellow Cuban screwed him royally in HI. No polls were ahead of the HI caucus, but I'll bet Marco The Magnificent had a pretty good shot at winning it until Mr Morality spread the rumor Marco had dropped out.
Winning another state might have given him a little bit of momentum going into FL.
Thus Marco decided to be guided by that old Cuban proverb - Revenge is a dish best served cold.
PS Just to put a smile on April's face, we see that The Donald does 3 times better with NY women that guess who.
Good Don Surber piece indicting the CO Republican Party.
And, mirabile dictu, CO Republicans intend to hold a protest tomorrow.
Perhaps April might wish to attend.
AprilApple said...
I never get enough of Trump whining "It's not FAIR!"
Such a big man.
he also doesn't understand the rules in CO or North Dakota. But why trouble yourself with such thing when you have people to do that?
April, I don't give a fuck what the rules are in CO, so when you shut down voting, that's subversion and theft. One man/woman, one vote. That's how it works. You don't get to win without voting, otherwise what is the point? The GOPe pulling this bullshit is nothing more than confirming they are not better than Democrats in vote rigging and disenfranchisement. It's wrong and I'm a little surprised you seem to be tacitly approving of this by claiming that Trump doesn't understand the rule sin CO or ND. Most people wouldn't after what the GOPe just pulled in CO. So Trump claiming an unfair situation is spot on and even though you don't support him should be up in arms over this and you're not.
I get you aren't a Trump supporter and I understand why, but your hatred for this guy seems to be blinding you to the totality of the game changing tactics that the GOPe just did in subverting the republic and it happened right before your eyes and you seem to be glad because it hurts the guy you hate, not the fact that it hurts the country.
Show me ONE poll where Trump is ahead of Hillary in the general.
Meth - re-read my posts.
AprilApple said...
Assuming Trump would have won CO is a stretch. The only way to know at this point is to go ahead with a caucus vote. The CO GOP may well be forced to do so.
I guess we'll never know now will we. When will the GOPe and it's voters ever learn that we are doing the Democrats job for them for fucks sake. GOPe has the worst messaging and tactics for winning elections I've ever seen. They do not have their shit together at all and Obama and Democrats are laughing their asses off over it.
AprilApple said...
Show me ONE poll where Trump is ahead of Hillary in the general.
Meth - re-read my posts
I read your posts and I'm still dismayed you are tacitly sticking to your guns on this. You haven't uttered one word in anger over what the GOPe did to voters in CO. You don't want to be angry over this, that's fine, but what is the one distinct advantage of being an american citizen has? The right to vote and that this right is counted once. At this point, I don't believe in that anymore after this. All of the attacks my citizenship has taken from DC is too much at this point. I as a citizen and a voter am screwed and the GOPe just put the nail in the coffin of that. Fuck the rules, fuck the regulations, fuck the parties. This is war and Reince Preibus being silent on this just put him in the target hairs of anyone that can get close to him and end his miserable existence. He's a piece of shit for letting this happen and the GOPe too. Every one of them is now my enemy.
I guess not having an actual election and letting the GOPe control everything is what you call "Colorado Values."
I always thought they were fucked up when the Rockies broke all batting records with their bogus stadium with the helium air.
You just can't trust somebody from Colorado. (Except Chip of course)
It must be getting a bit warm at Whig HQ. Even Byron York sounds a wee bit nervous. The peasants must be burning up the phone lines.
AprilApple said...
Show me ONE poll where Trump is ahead of Hillary in the general.
Show me ONE poll where Lyin', Hypocrite, Holier-Than-Thou, Cheatin' Ted is ahead of Hillary in the general.
Unless, of course, you honestly believe Kasich, 8 months out, is the only one capable of beating Queen Cacklepants.
For Christ's sake, quit insulting everybody's intelligence, including your own, and knock off this business about how much you want to beat Hillary. It's all about Trump with you because he said something nice about her rather than provoke a corrupt, vindictive political machine.
You don't give a damn if Hillary wins. All you care about is hating Trump. Anybody who would support a slug like Cruz when you know he's in the pocket of the Whigs has lost all credibility.
Eddie we can get mad but lets try and not get over the top. April has a crush on Ted the Most Conservative Man in the World. Women are flighty creatures. You can't get into her head. You can't convince them that they are wrong. That this guy is all wrong for them. We just have to support her and be there when Cruz does something that makes her want to walk out into traffic.
Not mad, but mystified.
How can someone who wants an outsider who's against this kind of machinations support them when it's thrown in her face in her own backyard?
I know, feelings, not facts.
That's the weird part. Sometimes, not always, but a good bit of the time, when The Blonde just doesn't get it, I can lay out something with all the facts and she sees it, no problem. Maybe it's because she's a nurse* and has to go by facts.
* She's sure Hillary's got something seriously neurological wrong with her. She worked rehab 8 years and can spot this stuff.
PS More fun.
Jersey judge to decide if Daddy Cruz is eligible for the Jersey primary.
We can hear April now...
Thus Marco decided to be guided by that old Cuban proverb - Revenge is a dish best served cold.
Or...the Scot's motto. Get the Bastard!
Do dramatic and the face, body, complexion and age of a true republican.
Loved him!
Looks like Rush has been bought and paid for.
I just want it known that this isn't so much about April, but rather the idea that an entire states votes can be disenfranchised and utterly subverted by a party. To quote POTUS Urkel who uses this refrain often, "This is not who we are." HA!!!
oopsy daisy said...
Thus Marco decided to be guided by that old Cuban proverb - Revenge is a dish best served cold.
Not for me it isn't. Revenge is a dish best served flaming hot and preferably in jacketed hollow points.
These people can't be honest about anything.
Claim CO Nevertrump tweet was a hack turns out to be a lie.
PS One thing to think about.
If you think you're just one little voice that can't be heard, take a look at the image on the home page of this post.
One man wanted to be a Trump delegate and he was stiff-armed by the state machine and the Cruz crowd and then complained about it with documentation.
The only reason so much Hell is being raised is because that one man then made a video of him as he tore up his Republican registration card. And people took notice.
I have no idea how this will end, but we can be heard - there's always Cleveland, it's an easy drive, 2 days max, from most parts of the Eastern US.
What should we do?
I keep coming back to Douglas MacArthur's final speech at West Point on what it's all about
a million ghosts in olive drab, in brown khaki, in blue and gray, would rise from their white crosses thundering those magic words: Duty, Honor, Country.
Maybe April will call this part of my "gateway pundit reasoning" (I still don't know what that is), but here's what the last CO state Republican chair thinks of what happened Saturday -
“The Message We’re Sending Is Your Vote Doesn’t Matter and Doesn’t Count”.
Maybe April will care about that.
By way of Drudge
Excellent Pat Buchanan column (and I haven't said anything like that since my mother was alive) about the historical perspective on stolen nominations.
Interesting to note Trump is beginning to make common cause with the Feel The Bern crowd.
I thought the old cuban saying was:"Revenge is a dish best served with rice and black beans.
Only when the temperature is below 85.
Nick, the Lewandowski "assault" was something that should have been dealt with by an apology. He was slightly rough with a female reporter. What drove the accusation is when they said she was lying. Criminal charge? That is OTT, but this was an unforced error by Lewandowski politically.
E, he barely touched her, if he touched her at all (from what I could see, he didn't). Why apologize for something he didn't do?
Besides, that little broad wanted an incident. And she was lying (Hell, when April started screaming "Trumpist thug", you knew it was over the top).
No, the Trump crowd was in the right on this one and the Cruz crowd, if they were really on the side of Truth, should have backed them up.
Evi, Completely agree. But, NYers don't apologize, see, they just don't...see. They're tough..see. They cuff around women, see[Edward G Robinson voice]. And they then eat a Nathan's hot dog. NTTAWWT. Now, I believe the Polish Pugilist, Lewandoski, is from where our resident homo lives. But, you know anything involving Trump is he calls ALL the shots. Can't you just hear him saying, "We NEVER apologize!"
This is interesting to follow, as I am no longer affiliating with either party or any party. I'm a detached objectivist.
The Democrats and the Republicans are equally corrupt.
Both parties have convinced primary voters and caucassers that the primary process is important, and that their votes and ballots will determine which candidate is nominated.
Which is total bullshit.
Because the Dem establishment has rigged the Dem process to award Hillary Clinton that party's nomination, and the GOP establishment has rigged the GOP process to award Ted Cruz (better known as "New Marco") that party's nomination.
If you think otherwise, you're a rube. And there are a lot of rubes. And the rubes are figuring out the game, and they are muy angry. Muy, muy, muy.
The Sanders supporters are rubes. The Trump supporters are rubes. The Cruz supporters are neo-rubes, they have not yet accepted that their party is going to dump them for Romney or Ryan sor some combination of the two.
So good luck to both sides. Your betters are laughing at you behind your backs.
Michael Haz said...
the GOP establishment has rigged the GOP process to award Ted Cruz (better known as "New Marco") that party's nomination.
I don't think so.
The Whigs don't trust or like Cruz any more than anyone else. They want somebody like Ryan.
Cruz is like Reinhard Heydrich - nobody knows who he'll try to destroy next. Nobody is safe around him and clearly he's created a machine whose acolytes will go after anyone who is not one of the fold.
He's doublecrossed Rubio as cheerfully as Carson. And, if the sex allegations are true, he'll clearly doublecross his own family (that may be part of the bargain like the Os, the Edwardses, and so many others).
I think when the dust settles, you'll see some deal cut between Trump and the Whigs to stop him because the Whigs have to face the fact well over half the people who have voted so far aren't going to sit still for a Whig candidate.
So you may end up being the rube.
Cuff around? Seriously? What happened happens every day on the F train. Plus the bruises are on her forearm and he grabbed her upper arm. But you are right. That's was intolerable! Trump should insist that only men be in the press scrum. Behind a rope the away Hillary does it. That should solve the problem.
Ms Fields can better utilize her time accusing more of her colleagues of sexual harassment. Or she can go to work for her Moms organization that helps get more illegals in from her native Gutamala. That's the ticket!
The GOP did have a caucus vote. They ditched the non-binding straw poll. The rules were changed back in August.
40% of the district Caucasus goers were NEW this year.
Cruz stole NOTHING. Trump said FU to CO.
This is the fix you were bitching about before, so I guess you finally got your talking points emailed to you.
Cruz stole the right of the people to participate because he was a part of it.
No one else in my lifetime has done something like this. And, of course, he stole the last 12 delegates in MO.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
Trump knew he was going to lose the CO convention vote so he cancelled. Now he's whining about it. He never did a thing to get a single delegate to vote for him. Trump said FU to Colorado.
Unless you agree that the rules should be changed mid-game, you are the shameful Trumpster, ed. you brain-dead freak.
I'm not ashamed of anything but you ed. You are an embarrassment.
ed - the jobless wonder.
I'll leave you to your obsession. bye.
Among other news of Trump's organizational failures, it was reported today that two of his kids (Ivanka and Eric?) failed to register for primary voting before the deadline and won't be able to pull the lever for daddy.
If it makes you feel better, Trump isn't the only one who flubs the very detailed rules of primary/caucus Monopoly. I read today that Hillary's win in Nevada was reversed because her delegates forgot to show up and register their votes at the party meeting.
So now April has to poach her rimshots from Ritmo? (well, it does seem to be the only thing Cruzzers are able to do)
Talk about sinking to unplumbed depths.
Rhythm and Balls said...
Among other news of Trump's organizational failures
When was it a parent's responsibility to get his kids registered?
Or is this how things work in Ritmo World?
BTW can't wait for April to bitch about this
Trump says, "I like Rubio. I like Kasich". Between the 2 of them they have better than 300 delegates.
Remember what I said about that old Cuban proverb.
PS I notice she never denied getting her talking points.
"Among other news of Trump's organizational failures"
When was it a parent's responsibility to get his kids registered?
When they work for his campaign and he trots them out as surrogates, dodo.
It's embarrassing optics, at the least. Which he seems to excel at, given how much he tries to re-package that as a strength - at least to the 30% of America that's open to having anything politically to do with him.
BTW, was that Shouting Thomas in the video?
Lol.
Rhythm and Balls said...
Which he seems to excel at, given how much he tries to re-package that as a strength - at least to the 30% of America that's open to having anything politically to do with him.
Actually, that's about how much of the republican Party that wants anything to do with the One True Ted.
And he's their father, not their keeper, moron.
Too bad you don't seem to get the concept of personal responsibility. It's a necessity for a good parent.
And he's their father, not their keeper, moron.
Too bad you don't seem to get the concept of personal responsibility. It's a necessity for a good parent.
Actually in this context he's their employer, ed. Know anything about that? You keep missing the point.
Now do I get to call you a "moron" also or can you dish it out but not take it?
Yes, we understand TrusTed is almost as unlikeable. But that's the problem of your party imploding on ideas that have lost their relevance to America's situation. So it splits between two base components left to articulate the stripped-down, bare bones skeleton of a zombie party: RIght-wing populist rage and the right-wing ideological pabulum that the establishment machine always gave such great lip service to, no matter how far to the extreme it could be pushed.
Just face it. Your party's no longer working for America. Time for a shift back to something closer to what was normal in our country's glory days.
I understand you can't stand it. Almost no one here can. But these "country" things can't be governed by one narrow faction, alone. Eventually the other side has to be given its say and contribute its own solutions. That's just how it works.
Hand over the steering wheel and cool off. We'll let you back in the car when your partisan, ideological fever subsides for a few decades.
There's a lot of cleaning up to do. NOT by the people who made the mess.
They could vote. Just not in the Republican primary. They weren't registered Republicans.
Rhythm and Balls said...
Actually in this context he's their employer, ed.
I have yet to work for anyone who monitored whether I was registered or not.
I guess Troll Central has to watch you guys pretty carefully. You're nothing, after all, without your talking points.
Your party's no longer working for America. Time for a shift back to something closer to what was normal in our country's glory days.
The Democrats stopped working for this country in 1808, so you're obviously talking about the Federalists.
Or is it the Know-Nothings? You'd fit right in with them.
Jesus Christ ed. Trump made an embarrassing little boo-boo. It would be like parading around the First Lady (something I've never been a fan of, anyway) and having her snub him. It just doesn't reflect well on him. Again. Grow up and stop missing the point.
And keep trying to re-litigate that whole episode of 1933 - 1968. Americans will be forced into re-education camps to deprogram them from their historical memories and love of the incredible leadership of FDR and the examples he set, but I guess it will be worth it. 1808 is so much more important to them. And anyway, isn't that when all the excesses that led to the Andrew Jackson presidency began?
You really have to stop taking every damn thing so personally and being a partisan obsessive fanatic. There are other things to enjoy in life.
Anyone from Colorado know about the rules changes made in August raise your hands? Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?
Rhythm and Balls said...
And keep trying to re-litigate that whole episode of 1933 - 1968
Yeah, the New Deal and the Great Society really saved the country.
Sure. That's why the economy took off when Reagan started clearing out a lot of those old regulations.
And it wasn't Trump's boo boo, unless you really believe Dad should keep the kids at home so he can watch their every move.
Of course, that's how you feel the relationship between the government and the people should be.
Stalin and Beria would have loved you.
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