Tuesday, April 15, 2014

A Different Take On The Bundy Ranch Conflict



The best part of the video is in the middle.   The beginning has some fluff, the end is a commercial of sorts.  There is clear information that Harry Reid and his son are involved in the BLM attempting to end Cliven Bundy's cattle operation.

18 comments:

Unknown said...

This tells me our mainstream press are no better than a stoned high school student.

AllenS said...

The internets are the best thing ever invented.

Unknown said...

I'm not kidding when I say Harry Reid belongs in federal prison.

bagoh20 said...

Seems to me to be a battle of opportunists fighting for total control of what they all should be sharing equitably. That said, me calling Harry Reid simply an "opportunist" is far too charitable, even downright complementary compared to the truth.

Michael Haz said...

Harry Reid is like the new version of the old Las Vegas mafia, except he figured out how to get government protection by getting elected.

Michael Haz said...

It's a really complicated problem.

There's the fact that Bundy never signed a BLM agreement, so technically he's not in violation of the agreement. And his family has had grazing rights on the land for more than 140 years.

Then there's the tortoise problem, which is one of the reasons why the BLM wants to restrict cattle grazing. But the cattle and the tortoises have shared the land forever, without either one becoming extinct.

And there's the wild horses on the land. The mustangs share grazing land with the cattle, and the mustang fans say that the mustangs are being threatened by the presence of cattle.

And the corruption. As the video confirms, some politicians want to gain control over the land for their own enrichment.

What a mess.

What's interesting is that 62 other ranchers who also used the same grazing land have been forced out of business by the BLM placing severe restrictions on the number of cattle they can own. Bundy is the last rancher standing on this grazing area.

bagoh20 said...

We all know how this will end. The government will get it's way no matter what it takes. Just ask Janet Reno. If needed, there will just be a few citizens that need sacrificing - like with the Aztecs. Heads will roll.

bagoh20 said...

The ones most in danger of extinction are the ranchers. Maybe they can get Endangered Species protection. Alinsky's rules.

Paddy O said...

Every so often we run into current event that says as much as anything, "things don't change."

This could be 1874 news with its mix of characters and corruptions.

Solar is the new railroad.

The senators are the same.

Welcome to the west.

Welcome back to the range wars.

Next year, we'll move onto California and the water wars.

We have better tech, but we're all the same humans.

Chip Ahoy said...

Without the internet the rancher would already be railroaded.

What a great word.

The new word will be solarpanneled.

That rancher was solarpanneled. And it doesn't mean his barn is heated by the sun.

The thing is, it seems as much a Nat Turner moment.

It is astounding that people booked planes, packed their guns, presumably on planes! unless they all drove to Nevada, that's possible too, but they converged and put an immediate stop to the immediate thing. And so the next thing must be anticipated. That rally must be permanent. Permanently following the action, permanently converging whenever wherever decisions are made and carried out. Converge at statehouses when legislation is on the docket, converge on courts when decisions are made, converge on locations before the government converges.

Surely the family is anticipating a full on over-the-top raid. All of them. Every computer will be seized. So they'll need new ones immediately to restore all that is taken and continue unabated.

Incidental to this, I dropped the address to my little Reid folksinger anim in comments a few places this morning, here and there, just a few, for fun, and the page views soared. Somebody gave it a +.

Aridog said...

Chip Ahoy said...

... people booked planes, packed their guns, presumably on planes! unless they all drove to Nevada, that's possible too ...

Those with horses probably drove unless they leased a horse locally. It is possible to do with outfitters. Otherwise you can legally pack up pistols, revolvers, rifles, and shotguns, plus ammo, to fly in baggage...I've done it several times. In Nevada there is full reciprocity with other states' gun laws, plus Nevada's open carry allowance.

And it isn't "astounding" to me...I really did consider it. My emotional reaction was running way ahead of my brain. May still be.



Aridog said...

Haz said ...

And there's the wild horses on the land. The mustangs share grazing land with the cattle, and the mustang fans say that the mustangs are being threatened by the presence of cattle.

If that land has been cattle grazing land for 100+ years, there should be no protected wild horses on it. I'd bet it is not stipulated in the "Wild Free-Roaming Horses and Burros Act of 1971"...which lays out specific tracts for horses separate from cattle in most areas.

If the Bundy grazing lands are legitimate wild horse lands as well I'd be surprised because I've never heard of it. I can be wrong, of course. There are feral hoses all over Nevada, but not all are protected. That issue was not raised in this matter to my knowledge....if it had been there would have been all manner of wild horse fanatics showing up.

However, BLM has been busy reducing this legal allocation, by unnatural checker-boarding of tracts, etc., of wild horse lands by large chunks every time they get a chance for some "business" reason or some trumped up BS ecological excuse. The horse allocations are well below 50% of their original size.

As for wild (feral)horses being threatened by cattle, that is nonsense unless the cattle are so numerous as to destroy all feed stocks....which makes them self-destructive as well. I am a wild horse fan and I can sadly admit some of my kind are overwrought and usually do more harm than good. For example, they call the horses "wild" but insist on "naming" them ...WTF?

In terms of actual "Mustangs", like those I have cited and posted photos of elsewhere, there are few locations and none in Nevada. Nevada's wild horses are feral remnants of the ranching of the past.

Aridog said...

Since I mentioned true wild horses...here is one "named" by the fans (mean well, but...?)...he is "Jackson", a stallion photographed at about 8500+ feet elevation on the top of Pryor Mountain.

The band of hoses on Pryor are smaller than you'd think...about 14 hands tall at the withers (pony size in some circles) but muscular like Arabians or Andulusians and tough as nails. They almost all have color feathering and tiger striping on their withers and legs, and a predominant color besides "blood bay" like "Jackson" is Grulla, sort of liver colored, often in a roan pattern as well. Lem can pronounce that color name better than I can.

One odd thing that occurs infrequently is that a wild horse will decide he likes domestic mares and takes of across the country side to be with them away from his own herd. This can piss off horse breeders, heh heh...when lonesome studly shows up around their mares in heat. This kind usually must be rounded up and adopted out...a trace remnant of how horses were domesticated originally perhaps?

Dust Bunny Queen said...

If you have never had to deal with the BLM (we are surrounded) or the US Forest Service (surrounded again) you have no idea. the idiocy. the fossilized thinking. the arrogance. the disdain with which most of these government lackeys hold the rest of us.... us....trespassing, unworthy in their eyes, recalcitrant intruders onto their ideal world.

Eff 'em.

Whether Bundy was "legally" correct or not is NOT the point. The point is the government and bureaucratic power mad drones have taken it upon themselves to try to destroy the lives and livelihoods of rural America. Inch by inch. Mile by mile.

Eff 'em again to the fucking max.

AllenS said...

Let one of those wild horses break a solar panel soon to be erected, and they'll all be dead.

KCFleming said...

It is frightening to watch this descent into fascism.

bagoh20 said...

Aridog, That's a beautiful horse. Unfortunately, I don't know much about horses. My girlfriend knows a little more, and we will be caring for a friend's half dozen Arabians for a couple weeks next month in Vegas. Hopefully, I will soon know a little. I'm already an expert with dog shit, and I'm moving on to bigger things.

chickelit said...

This video was disabled before I (and millions of others) had a chance to see it.

Who felt so threatened?