If Trump and his followers can remain calm and nonviolent, the protesters will make spectacles of themselves and will be widely seen as undemocratic and anti-free speech. Similar to Gov. Walker in 2011.
Possibly, but the image of the hooligans running wild in the streets I don't think will hurt him.
My guess is it makes him look like a responsible person who doesn't want his supporters or any civilians hurt.
I have a feeling the Lefties (and the Whigs) would have liked nothing better than the sight of Soros' gorillas duking it out with Trump's people on national TV.
The media is trying to make both sides equally responsible for this travesty but it was the anti Trumpers who came to somebody else's rally to shut down somebody else's free speech. And succeeded. Its the game the left always plays. They may have overplayed their hand tonight. This isn't some anonymous person's free speech that's being drowned out by the screech of unreasoning protest.
Trumps mistake was relying on a corrupt Chicago government. He was foolish to cancel because the disruption will only get worse. The police had to enforce the law and allow the rally to go forward.
It was a terrible mistake. It is only gong to get worse.
Several days ago Breitbart reported on a meeting of millionaires who supposedly only agenda was to try and figure out a way to stop Trump. The meeting included who's who in Silicon Valley and GOP anti-Trump big wigs.
Tolerance of civil dissent is the highest principle of liberal democracy. Trump is smart to allow the intolerance of his opposition to be put on display.
Troop, have you ever read "I,Pig" by Jack Muller? He was a Chicago cop/detective during the '68 riots. He eviscerated the Daley Admin for what happened there.
Bernie doesn't want peace. Black lives matters doesn't want peace. Tromps answer on FOX tonight was that he wanted to bring jobs. That's not what they want.
Surrendering public spaces is a big, big mistake.
Everybody gets one. I hope Trump learns from his mistake.
Trump on Hannity making the point that this only ever happens to Republicans. Shutting down free speech. Imagine if a paid and organized group of conservatives shut down a Democrat politician. Fetch the smelling salts!
Third Coast said...Tiny Dancer is the cops boss. Strict enforcement was never going to happen.
Exactly. This is very parallel to what Daley did during the '68 convention only reversed. Daley tlod the PD to crack skulls; Rahm told the police to stand down. Without the rule of law, Trump was right not to push the confrontation.
Bullshit, Amartel. There's only one correct thing to be said. That is simply that violent disruption of a speaking event is unacceptable and the people responsible are the disrupters and their backers.
"Surrendering public spaces is a big, big mistake"
Exactly the mindset of the antiWalker forces here in Wisconsin 5 years ago. Their utter stupidity was seen by the whole nation as they took over the public space of the state Capitol, chanting "this is what democracy looks like" and "whose house? OUR house"
Trooper York said...Surrendering public spaces is a big, big mistake.
I remember that was your point viz. Baltimore and that take over of public space. But remember that Baltimore officials condoned and enabled the people "needing their space." Despite what people say and believe, Trump is not law enforcement.
And maybe, Troop, Trump saw the outbreak of violence and honestly didn't want to see anyone harmed. It was the right call when you see the extent of the protests in and out of the arena. Perhaps he and his people could have seen it coming and made arrangements with the city beforehand, but the size and criminality of the protest seems to have caught everyone by surprise.
How is that working out for Baltimore Chickie? How many murders did they have last year? How many murders did they have in Chicago?
Don't get all snippy -- I didn't condone what happened in Baltimore -- I condemn it. But you're sounding like Trump is some kind of law enforcer. The cops are not on Trump's side because Rahm is not on Trump's side. In fact, some cops may be conflicted but they are following orders,
If Cruz had tried to hold a large rally at same time, same place, same circumstances, I think the Soros kids would've done the same thing. Smart as Cruz is, he apparently has never heard that eventually the crocodile will eat him too.
This mob rule doesn't just implicate the 1st Am free speech right but also the right of free assembly. The Trump supporters showed up and waited for hours to assemble and exchange ideas only to be shut down by an organized partisan outfit.
And you know why Meade is right? I'll tell you why. Listen. Because he's a gardener. And gardeners know things, I know this for I am kindred spirit. .We gardener types see beauty in potential and learned how to nurture it.
phony outrage-for-hire that is oblivious to the real problems of everyday people as well as fundamental civil rights. They have overplayed their hand. Trump was right to cancel. He's getting better publicity from this travesty.
Bags is not here but I will say it for him. Trump talked tough but when it was time to step up he backed down. He will get no credit for listening to his detractors who told him to back down. It was a big, big mistake.
Amartel, here's the Cruz quote I saw. He blamed Trump for setting the tone and from the example he cited I suppose he would have reasoned with the mob and won them over with his brilliance. I'll admit that knowing the actual question he was responding to might put that in a better light.
There's only one proper response from anyone I would support and it doesn't involve making political points when unity is required.
Trumps mistake was relying on a corrupt Chicago government. He was foolish to cancel because the disruption will only get worse. The police had to enforce the law and allow the rally to go forward.
Well, it's the only government there. Maybe that was part of his point. This is what Democrats get you.
The alternative is the IL National Guard, the governor is R. He could ask for them, but the governor, though of Conservative bent, is trying to stay out of the Trump controversy.
Other than that, there's private muscle, but we all know anybody hurt, regardless of provocation, would be blamed on him.
Problem is, he can't ask for a new city government.
Surrendering public spaces is a big, big mistake.
Was it Trump's to surrender becomes the question. If he lets himself be shouted down every time he tries to have a rally, I agree he's in big trouble, but, as he's a couple of years older than I am, he remembers what the sight of the hooligans running wild in the street (as they had been for a couple of years) meant politically.
He can't let them push him around, but tonight may well bring him IL and MO on Tuesday, as well as tarnish the One True Ted's halo.
The only way he salvages it is rescheduling the rally and having it no matter what. But f he keeps cancelling because of protests then he will lose both the nomination and the support of his adherents.
Trump listened to the corrupt and inept Chicag government and police department. If they needed to call out the National Guard then that is what they should have done. They definitely should do it the next time. If there is a next time.
Outrage to me means it's justified somehow. "That's outrageous" means something that is beyond the pale. Outrage-for-hire is just so much hollering and punching. It's phony. Just my take.
The only way he salvages it is rescheduling the rally and having it no matter what. But f he keeps cancelling because of protests then he will lose both the nomination and the support of his adherents.
Again, it's an issue of postpone vs cancel. I'm willing to wait to see what happens in the morning. If he hires more security or has the Guard brought in, good for him. Maybe he can get Louis Farrakhan to provide some muscle. What's the downside of a full-on war in the street?
But, yes, this can't be a running show. That's how the Lefties were able to brag about running LBJ out of office.
I want see the people's right to peacefully assemble be enforced by the authorities who are tasked with that duty. There will not be riots. There will be criminal activity subject to arrest. Period.
Trooper wants to see riots in Illinois and Missouri.
You're being silly.
It's about taking a stand, not letting the hooligans run you.
PS Troop, just because the Cossacks are out there won't prevent the peasants from being revolting. Daley had the troops out in force and it was still a bigger fight than Saigon during Tet.
The right to assemble is a right against the limited power of the government. Just because it's a constitutional right doesn't mean it's absolute. Smarten up, Trump follower.
Most of all Trump should not listen to people who do not have his best interests at heart. That includes the One True Ted, all of the news media and Lawnboys.
The question is when is the Left going to stop? Are they going to keep disrupting and getting even more violent?
They're like wolves. Give 'em the smell of blood and they'll come in packs.
That's why Troop is mostly right. Shutting down tonight may be smart (especially after that one guy was charged with assault for smacking a protester), but he can't let them get to him.
PS Thinking about the Trump supporter who smacked the idiot, maybe The Donald wanted to show people why the guy might have been justified. Vertainly killed the Michelle Fields thing.
None if the candidates have to support each other. Trumps getting all kinds of good publicity out of this. You don't hear me complaining about that and I'm a Cruz supporter. Cruz's reaction was appropriate. Blame the hired speech deniers and talk about his vision, how he wants to bring the country back together. Somebody asked him if he thought Trumps policies were to blame and he was all, what policies? Which was funny, Rubio like a lot of the media guys was trying to say both sides were equally at fault. Also I'm not so thrilled with Rubio's PC default notions.
When a mercenary army that denies people the right to speak and the right to assemble is bought and paid for by a political party (by and through its transparently obvious agents) then that is a serious violation of civil rights.
Ir's not about supporting the other candidates, it's about supporting what's right. And if we must look at it politically I think Cruz did himself more harm than good.
Am, if the One True Ted doesn't support Trump, as far as being able to speak in Chi-Town, he shoots himself in the head - politically.
I've been looking at Insta, home of the Cruzzers, and you'd be surprised how many are taking the same view as Rabel.
The old "I may disagree with what you say, but I shall defend to the death your right to say it" is the only acceptable answer if you say you're a defender of the Constitution.
This is going to blow him out of the race. And Rubio can forget being governor of FL - if he ever had a shot.
None of the candidates will support the right of Trumps fans to attend a rally. The media will blame Trump for the actions of these criminals. Only fools will tell you that you should surrender to the likes of Black Lives Matters or Bernies Occupy Wall Street assholes.
Trump has to make a choice. Hold the police and the Democratic administration to their duty to enforce the law.
Or let them burn down the CVS and take over the campus.
I don't even know what happened but it sounds both a) ridiculous, and b) like no reason for any campaign to do anything differently than it has done. I am against disrupting people's speech for almost any reason.
Many Trump and Sanders campaign supporters have overlap in that they're just fed up with the system and they want people who simply have the courage to honestly articulate what it is that the people and the nation need, not just what the donors will pay for.
I think Trump's comments the other night about Islam hating us were very smart. Stop putting us on the defensive. If the whole Islamophilia movement is about victimization, proclaim who the real victims are: Those in the west who follow love, peace, individual responsibility and not this dishonest lack of accountability for violent doctrines and violent cultural shortcomings that have never been resolved or even seriously challenged in the last thousand years.
Thanks for the link about Terrorist Bill Ayers. That shithead should be jail not leading a "protest".
Bottom line for me: Any Republican who does the Pontius Pilate routine or blames Trump for this, loses my vote and respect. This is the left shutting down conservative/Republican speech. Commissar Leon Wolf over at supposedly "conservative" Red state labels the disruption "Fascists vs. Leftists". Pathetic.
This same leftist group is going to come after Cruz/rubio/whoever once they get the nomination.
As a Bernie Sanders supporter I fully support Trump or any Trump supporter violently roughing up any Sanders supporter who actually attempts to disrupt any of his rallies.
It's one thing to protest (preferably outside). If you disrupt, though, then I don't have sympathy. If you disrupt, then Trump can rough you up.
That's why this whole story is brilliant if it was less innocent than initially reported.
Trump wins off of any portrayal of government as incompetent when it comes to effective, orderly enforcement of law.
His whole campaign started on the issue of a wall and enforced immigration policies. If he can portray local authorities as incompetent and/or corrupt when it comes to enforcing his right to peaceably assemble, then that's just another arrow in his quiver.
On another note re: surrender - it's interesting that Meade reserves the right to delete any commenter who has been banned or who simply goes against the tone of a given post. Meanwhile, he also apparently reserves his own supposed "right" to pollute any space where he has been explicitly asked to leave.
Blog comments discretion for me but not for thee, saith the Meade.
Also - one minor point of order: If there were true left-wing disrupters (esp. if black) then in all likelihood they would have been Clinton supporters instead of Sanders supporters. ;-)
Power line's an interesting site. A lot of advertising clickbait at the bottom. Did anyone get a link to "Zingerly" for 23 hot women bending at the waist? I clicked it but, like usual when it comes to these things, they are very buggy and slow down your computer so badly that you stop after the first image or two and resume your more conventional internet thang.
The Pope's disapproval added to Trump's vote count. I don't think a riot provoking demonstration by Bill Ayers, BLM, and the Occupy Wall Street crowd will do him any harm......The point of the rally is to win the election not to hold a rally. They've just handed Trump the victim card, and he will play it and win with it. The media will blame this on Trump's rhetoric, but most people will recognize that line as bullshit. The media's bias will only increase the potency of his victim card.......I don't see Trump as the loser in this affair.
If Trump and his followers can remain calm and nonviolent, the protesters will make spectacles of themselves and will be widely seen as undemocratic and anti-free speech. Similar to Gov. Walker in 2011
Did Hell just freeze over? I agree with Meade.
The optics of this mass of leftist, socialists, moronic college students, black lives matter dopes, all out to suppress the First Amendment rights of other people (Trump supporters) is not going to play well with the rest of the country and people who may have been on the fence about who to vote for.
The right to assemble and protest is guaranteed to BOTH the protestors and to the attendees of the events. The protestors can dance and chant to their hearts content, outside on the street. BUT when they start getting violent, impeding people from attending, ripping signs out of the Trump supporters hands and shouting down speech that they don't like, they have crossed the line.
Who are the Fascists now? The Bernie supporters and all the rest of the mob.
Trump can spin this to his benefit in a New York Minute. Show sorrow for this voters and supporters, their safety is more important than a rally, bemoan the loss of the First Amendment, the suppression of freedom of speech and assembly. Make a connection to the same suppression on college campuses that we have seen lately....AND is THIS the type of people that YOU want to be in control of your government. WHO is next on their agenda.
Cruz stepped in a big pile of dog doo by trying to blame Trump for the actions of the mob.
Cruz and the mob of socialist protestors have given Trump a huge gift. I hope he uses it.
I heard Kasich blaming Trump this morning. Doesn't Kasich realize the protestors would be doing this ti him if he was the frontrunner? Doesn't he realize the protestors are going to create chaos and mayhem at the Repub convention in Cleveland this summer? Does Kasich think the protestors will give him a pass?
No. But I don't think DBQ has it right. She wants Trump to play the victim. Of course the beta males want to surrender. To bow down to political correctness and the mobs that want to enforce it n the public square. If Trump surrenders and abandons the rights of his supporters to gather at a rally than he is lost and not worthy of their support.
I heard Kasich too. And Little Marco. EThey said that Trump divides us. So he should accept illegal immigration and one sided trade deals to line the pockets of the duopoly. That he needs to be politically correct. And you people that agree with what Trump as saying? Sit down and shut up and let your betters run things.
Not at all Trooper. Not playing a victim or bowing down to political correctness, but rather making a good strategic move that puts the others at a disadvantage and exposes them for the intolerant fascists that THEY are.
By putting the safety of HIS people above all and pointing out the fascist actions of the left he becomes a leader who CARES about "The People" more than himself. People will love this. Had he gone on with the event and there were injuries or even deaths (you know there would have been) the press would have been able to say....SEE....Trump cares more about himself and his Nazi like rallies than he does anything else.
Throwing your supporters to the rioters like cannon fodder or making the rioters look like the intolerant jerks that they are OR protecting your flock (so to speak). Which is better.
Look. I'm with you. I would love to see the ever livin' snot beat out of these rioters and leftists morons. However much that would feel great, it would be harmful to the ultimate goal, which is to get in control of the Party and be elected President. Long term goals versus the immediate satisfaction
The fact that there are paid protesters from not only the left but also from the right in the form of the GOPe is another arrow in Trump's quiver. The public is sick of these protests from the Occupy Wall Street, Black Lives Matter racists. The public is sick of the elites, the George Soros, the Alinskies trying to manipulate us and taking away our rights.
Sacrificing your followers for optics is not a winning strategy against these guys, because they have control of and support from the media. In this case you do not win by using the same tactics as the enemy, and make no mistake...they ARE the enemy of the American People. You win by taking a more roundabout way and doing the UNEXPECTED. They want confrontation, violence, injuries and even death. You win by denying them their goals.
Trump would have lost if he let the rally go forward and it broke out into a riot. He wins more votes every time these asswipes show up to silence him. I am not sure how Trump can prevent this from happening again and again unless he hires a 1,000 man security team to screen attendees. And that would be horrible for the so-called optics.
And now Rubio is piling on Trump. Doesn't Rubio remember seeing LaRaza members at protests waving Mexican flags and demanding amnesty?
Trump got his support because a lot of people thought he was a fighter. That he wasn't going to surrender to the forces of political correctness. Well now he has his chance to prove it.
There is a difference between being a fighter who makes good strategic moves, who doesn't squander his troops unnecessarily and one who just goes balls to the wall full tilt boogie and damn the consequences for ego or other reasons.
Winning is the goal. Kicking butt is a bonus, but if kicking butt kills your troops or puts you into a poor strategic position, you may have won the current battle but you have lost the war.
I am not sure how Trump can prevent this from happening again and again
Don't hold your rallies on a college campus. Those places are full of idiots.
Stay out of the big urban blue cities....also full of idiots, many of whom are not going to vote for you anyway. Some areas are really just lost causes anyway.
Hold your rallies in areas that are able to be protected, and YES hire a ton of protection and as Trooper says...DEMAND that the police protect you and your troops/supporters.
You don't win by ceding public spaces to these criminals. And they are criminals. That is what Black lives matters and illegal immigrants are by definition.
Trump has to be able to have large rallies in large cities as is his right under the law. They don't get to stop that. The law and the Constitution is on Trumps side. He has to demand that the corrupt government authorities enforce the law. Period.
I would not hire private security. That plays into the Hitler narrative. I also would not abandon the cities of America. Do not take consuerl of your fears. We have a right to live and vote in the city too.
"You don't win by ceding public spaces to these criminals. And they are criminals. That is what Black lives matters and illegal immigrants are by definition."
Says the big man who, on this very blog last year, wished for a "riot stew" to occur in Madison, Wisconsin, America.
The only way morons who live in lily white enclaves will get a taste of what big city people have to deal with is if these people come to their town. Of course that doesn't happen because these liberals move away and live in lily white enclaves and leave those problems behind. But when they try to go to the city for a baseball game or a Trump rally they get to experience what is a day to day reality.
The Trump fans who came to attend a rally just got a taste. Some say surrender because that is good "optics." But when you do that you just ensure the behavior will be repeated. The next time it might be in your town DBQ.
He's a perfect cuckservative, who only talks conservative when he has too.
I agree about Trump not abandoning the big cities but stay away college campuses. Those places are for left-wing losers. Might want to stay out of the Harlem, the Tenderloin, Marin county, Beverly Hills, and Watts while you're at it.
"Chicago community activist Quo Vadis said hundreds of protesters had positioned themselves in groups around [inside] the arena, and that they intend to demonstrate right after Trump takes the stage. Their goal, he said, is “for Donald to take the stage and to completely interrupt him. The plan is to shut Donald Trump all the way down.”
I think Trooper is underestimating the immediacy and danger of the situation. Tactically it was better to cancel than to have been shouted down after trying to begin the rally. The protesters were inside the wire in numbers and had a plan of action. The police and security would have been overwhelmed. He made the right call this time, but Trump and law enforcement need to anticipate future attempts and be prepared rather than caught by surprise.
Trump isn't playing the victim. He is the victim of an organized movement to inhibit his free speech and of a media that supports this organized movement.......There will be an election on Tuesday. After the election we will be able to assess the potency of each side's tactics. If, as I suspect, this adds to Trump's vote totals, then he has chosen the right tactics. If not, then perhaps Troop has a point.......I'm doing a slow burn over this. I don't recall any Tea Partiers disrupting Obama's events. One congressman shouted out a one word expletive during one of Obama's speeches, and he got roundly criticized. The f/u people who are flocking to Trump's banner will gow in size because of this.
The police and the Secret Service should have been prepared. As I understand it the police claim that they never told Trump that he should cancel the rally. I think they are lying. I am sure the police on the scene told him to cancel but there was never an "official request." They have plausible dependability.
Be that as it may...lets take them at their word. They say they never asked Trump to cancel. That they were prepared and able to handle the protest. If that is true then the rally should have gone on as planned.
The only way to know is to force the issue. Does Donald Trump and his supporters have the right to have a rally and a gathering in a large American City where he rents out the venue or does he not. Do Bernie's communist cadres and Black Lives Matters Criminals and Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio and John Kasich and the news media have the right to veto it?
You know what they are saying? Look at what you made me do.
Troop, I've seen many scenes from inside and outside the event. It Chicago PD calls what I saw "prepared and able to handle the protest," they're lying.
I think that's the point Rabel. The government of Barack Obama and Tiny Dancer and I bet Governor John Kasich at the Ohio location of the Republican Convention will tell Trump to cancel and then lie about it. So he has to demand out front and in public that they protect his voters and arrest criminals who attack them.
Otherwise it is the Black Panthers in Philly all over again. Don't Republicans ever learn?
My "town" has 580 people in it. And about 6000 people, maybe, within a 2500 square mile area surrounding. 50 miles x 50 miles square or 25 miles in any direction from the valley floor. It would be too much work for the protesters to come here. They would have to get out of their comfort zones.
Besides, 80% or more of the people are armed and willing.
It's not the protestors. It is the illegals. It is "poor and disadvantaged" who will be moved into your rural community to make it properly diverse according to a government formula.
Disparate Impact. Look it up. It is coming to rural communities near you.
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This may have been part of the reason why. Libertarian Website REDSTATE Calls on Far Left Protesters to BRING GUNS to Trump Rallies.
And just to show where the followers of the One True Ted stand, Glenn Beck Supporters Protest DONALD TRUMP in Chicago.
Way to go, guys. Among the creep Leftists in attendance was domestic terrorist William Ayers.
Who wants to be first to say the Trumpers had it coming?
On Greta Trump says it may end up helping him.
It's getting covered everywhere.
I'll just bet.
I've been saying all along this year feels like '68.
Rubio's people have already blamed Trump for the violence: link to tweet
This will backfire in Florida.
Trump is disrupting his own rally?
Is he that brilliant?
No, Lem, he's not stupid, but it looks like Marco is.
Unless Rubio hired William Ayers.
But this seems to be the Whigs' agreed upon rap.
Some Weekly Standard guy is blaming the Trump supporters.
As they used to say in Looney Tunes, "You'll be soooorrrryyy".
Trump is disrupting his own rally?
I dunno Lem. It was a vbspurs retweet. She seems to really buy into the Trump = Hitler stuff.
She seems to really buy into the Trump = Hitler stuff.
The National Review got to her ;)
Trump's comeback to NRO should have been along the lines of:
Now listen, you queer, stop calling me a crypto-Nazi or I'll sock you in your goddamn face and you'll stay plastered.
chickelit said...
It was a vbspurs retweet. She seems to really buy into the Trump = Hitler stuff.
Sad to hear that. She always struck me as a bright lady.
Does vbspurs only do the tweet thing now?
I think Trump made a terrible mistake tonight.
Bags and April ask if there is anything that would get me to drop Trump. This could be it.
@edutcher: I think it's her extreme Rubio loyalty.
@Virgil: So far as I know, only Twitter.
If Trump and his followers can remain calm and nonviolent, the protesters will make spectacles of themselves and will be widely seen as undemocratic and anti-free speech. Similar to Gov. Walker in 2011.
You mean by not going forward with the rally?
Possibly, but the image of the hooligans running wild in the streets I don't think will hurt him.
My guess is it makes him look like a responsible person who doesn't want his supporters or any civilians hurt.
I have a feeling the Lefties (and the Whigs) would have liked nothing better than the sight of Soros' gorillas duking it out with Trump's people on national TV.
Shades of Weimar!
YMMV
Does vbspurs only do the tweet thing now?
That is the only venue I see her at now.
Good decision by Trump to cancel. He could win me over with this kind of thing.
Trump's mistake was trying to hold a rally on a lefty college campus in the middle of Chicago.
The media is trying to make both sides equally responsible for this travesty but it was the anti Trumpers who came to somebody else's rally to shut down somebody else's free speech. And succeeded. Its the game the left always plays. They may have overplayed their hand tonight. This isn't some anonymous person's free speech that's being drowned out by the screech of unreasoning protest.
I tried to post this on Reddit but their autobots redditors keep blocking me saying I'm missing this and that.
Reddit is Bernie country.
Trump's mistake was trying to hold a rally on a lefty college campus in the middle of Chicago.
I'm seeing those same sentiments on twitter.
Apparently Trump has not cancelled, but postponed (note the conflicting headlines at the link), but the One True Ted couldn't stay out of this.
He told (are you ready?) MSLSD it's Trump's fault.
So Ted is as dumb as Marco. And Tuesday may well be a sweep, after all.
Trumps mistake was relying on a corrupt Chicago government. He was foolish to cancel because the disruption will only get worse. The police had to enforce the law and allow the rally to go forward.
It was a terrible mistake. It is only gong to get worse.
Cruz is blaming Trump. I was waffling between Cruz and Trump but I'm done with Ted now.
Trump2016.
Several days ago Breitbart reported on a meeting of millionaires who supposedly only agenda was to try and figure out a way to stop Trump. The meeting included who's who in Silicon Valley and GOP anti-Trump big wigs.
I can't find the story now.
They were on the floor in numbers. There was no way to hold the rally.
Tolerance of civil dissent is the highest principle of liberal democracy. Trump is smart to allow the intolerance of his opposition to be put on display.
You enforce the law. You arrest the people who disrupt the event. Period.
Apparently the protesters aren't in on the "Trump is a liberal stalking horse for Hillary" secret.
This is actually a golden opportunity for Bernie. Will he seize it's? We'll see.
"Won't you please come to Chicago or else join the other side?"
I was waffling between Cruz and Trump but I'm done with Ted now.
I'm with you Rabel.
Lem's, Here's the HuffPo version of the story. FWIW.
I agree with Meade: This is a golden opportunity for Bernie to bernish his peacemaking creds. Plus doesn't he have connections to U of Chicgao?
Troop, have you ever read "I,Pig" by Jack Muller? He was a Chicago cop/detective during the '68 riots. He eviscerated the Daley Admin for what happened there.
Obviously Rubio and Cruz are going to criticize Trump. All the candidates take any opportunity to take shots at each other.
You enforce the law. You arrest the people who disrupt the event. Period.
Tiny Dancer is the cops boss. Strict enforcement was never going to happen.
Bernie doesn't want peace. Black lives matters doesn't want peace. Tromps answer on FOX tonight was that he wanted to bring jobs. That's not what they want.
Surrendering public spaces is a big, big mistake.
Everybody gets one. I hope Trump learns from his mistake.
There was no New Media in 1968. New Media makes all the difference.
Trump on Hannity making the point that this only ever happens to Republicans. Shutting down free speech. Imagine if a paid and organized group of conservatives shut down a Democrat politician. Fetch the smelling salts!
Third Coast said...Tiny Dancer is the cops boss. Strict enforcement was never going to happen.
Exactly. This is very parallel to what Daley did during the '68 convention only reversed. Daley tlod the PD to crack skulls; Rahm told the police to stand down. Without the rule of law, Trump was right not to push the confrontation.
Ha! I got out in front of him.
And Hannity's right to point out that Obama's rhetoric stoked this mob, not Trumps.
Bullshit, Amartel. There's only one correct thing to be said. That is simply that violent disruption of a speaking event is unacceptable and the people responsible are the disrupters and their backers.
I was around when the word went out that it was ok for the ILA. Members to join the had hat riots in 1970. This feels an a lot like those days.
When it comes to people who need jobs vs over privileged college hipsters and black revolutionaries it is not going to be pretty.
Unless of course Trump loses his nerve.
Which they both did.
"Surrendering public spaces is a big, big mistake"
Exactly the mindset of the antiWalker forces here in Wisconsin 5 years ago. Their utter stupidity was seen by the whole nation as they took over the public space of the state Capitol, chanting "this is what democracy looks like" and "whose house? OUR house"
Trooper York said...Surrendering public spaces is a big, big mistake.
I remember that was your point viz. Baltimore and that take over of public space. But remember that Baltimore officials condoned and enabled the people "needing their space." Despite what people say and believe, Trump is not law enforcement.
Troop those are paid protesters. That's they're job, shutting down free speech.
Fox News is reporting Moveon.org agitators promoting anti-Trump Chicago protest.
How is that working out for Baltimore Chickie? How many murders did they have last year? How many murders did they have in Chicago?
And I bet they're not paid $15/hr by the partisan whores who hire them.
This should be Bernie's Sister Souljah moment.
Wonder if moveon is paying $15/hour. There's an unionization opportunity there.
And maybe, Troop, Trump saw the outbreak of violence and honestly didn't want to see anyone harmed. It was the right call when you see the extent of the protests in and out of the arena. Perhaps he and his people could have seen it coming and made arrangements with the city beforehand, but the size and criminality of the protest seems to have caught everyone by surprise.
How is that working out for Baltimore Chickie? How many murders did they have last year? How many murders did they have in Chicago?
Don't get all snippy -- I didn't condone what happened in Baltimore -- I condemn it. But you're sounding like Trump is some kind of law enforcer. The cops are not on Trump's side because Rahm is not on Trump's side. In fact, some cops may be conflicted but they are following orders,
If Cruz had tried to hold a large rally at same time, same place, same circumstances, I think the Soros kids would've done the same thing. Smart as Cruz is, he apparently has never heard that eventually the crocodile will eat him too.
Regardless of who paid them you don't enable and embolden them. You force the cops to do their jobs.
I live about thirty blocks from the epicenter of the Crown Heights riots. I know what happens when you tell the cops to let them vent.
If you don't believe me ask Yankel.
This mob rule doesn't just implicate the 1st Am free speech right but also the right of free assembly. The Trump supporters showed up and waited for hours to assemble and exchange ideas only to be shut down by an organized partisan outfit.
Trump speaking on top of those disruptive images about lack of jobs and disaffection with Obama is freaking golden.
He moved the rally (for free) to the two major cable news networks.
Sorry if I seem snippy chickie. But I have seen this before. You hav seen this before. Recognize it for what it is.
Rabel the criminality of the Black Lives Matters people should not take anyone by surprise. The whole movement is based on protecting criminals.
I repeat Trump should have held the rally and forced the cops to enforce the law. Period.
Meade is right.
And you know why Meade is right? I'll tell you why. Listen. Because he's a gardener. And gardeners know things, I know this for I am kindred spirit. .We gardener types see beauty in potential and learned how to nurture it.
"Stop punching me in the arm! That hurts."
phony outrage-for-hire that is oblivious to the real problems of everyday people as well as fundamental civil rights. They have overplayed their hand. Trump was right to cancel. He's getting better publicity from this travesty.
Bags is not here but I will say it for him. Trump talked tough but when it was time to step up he backed down. He will get no credit for listening to his detractors who told him to back down. It was a big, big mistake.
Amartel, here's the Cruz quote I saw. He blamed Trump for setting the tone and from the example he cited I suppose he would have reasoned with the mob and won them over with his brilliance. I'll admit that knowing the actual question he was responding to might put that in a better light.
There's only one proper response from anyone I would support and it doesn't involve making political points when unity is required.
Trooper York said...
Trumps mistake was relying on a corrupt Chicago government. He was foolish to cancel because the disruption will only get worse. The police had to enforce the law and allow the rally to go forward.
Well, it's the only government there. Maybe that was part of his point. This is what Democrats get you.
The alternative is the IL National Guard, the governor is R. He could ask for them, but the governor, though of Conservative bent, is trying to stay out of the Trump controversy.
Other than that, there's private muscle, but we all know anybody hurt, regardless of provocation, would be blamed on him.
Problem is, he can't ask for a new city government.
Surrendering public spaces is a big, big mistake.
Was it Trump's to surrender becomes the question. If he lets himself be shouted down every time he tries to have a rally, I agree he's in big trouble, but, as he's a couple of years older than I am, he remembers what the sight of the hooligans running wild in the street (as they had been for a couple of years) meant politically.
He can't let them push him around, but tonight may well bring him IL and MO on Tuesday, as well as tarnish the One True Ted's halo.
YMMV
The only way he salvages it is rescheduling the rally and having it no matter what. But f he keeps cancelling because of protests then he will lose both the nomination and the support of his adherents.
One other point, the outrage isn't phony. It's not justified, it's not logical, but it's real.
Trump listened to the corrupt and inept Chicag government and police department. If they needed to call out the National Guard then that is what they should have done. They definitely should do it the next time. If there is a next time.
Trooper wants to see riots in Illinois and Missouri.
Outrage to me means it's justified somehow. "That's outrageous" means something that is beyond the pale. Outrage-for-hire is just so much hollering and punching. It's phony. Just my take.
So far, Trump seems to be a little bit smarter than Troop.
Meade said...
This should be Bernie's Sister Souljah moment.
Bernie's afraid of black women, remember?
Trooper York said...
The only way he salvages it is rescheduling the rally and having it no matter what. But f he keeps cancelling because of protests then he will lose both the nomination and the support of his adherents.
Again, it's an issue of postpone vs cancel. I'm willing to wait to see what happens in the morning. If he hires more security or has the Guard brought in, good for him. Maybe he can get Louis Farrakhan to provide some muscle. What's the downside of a full-on war in the street?
But, yes, this can't be a running show. That's how the Lefties were able to brag about running LBJ out of office.
You're right that there's plenty of fake anger too.
I want see the people's right to peacefully assemble be enforced by the authorities who are tasked with that duty. There will not be riots. There will be criminal activity subject to arrest. Period.
Meade said...
Trooper wants to see riots in Illinois and Missouri.
You're being silly.
It's about taking a stand, not letting the hooligans run you.
PS Troop, just because the Cossacks are out there won't prevent the peasants from being revolting. Daley had the troops out in force and it was still a bigger fight than Saigon during Tet.
The right to assemble is a right against the limited power of the government. Just because it's a constitutional right doesn't mean it's absolute. Smarten up, Trump follower.
Most of all Trump should not listen to people who do not have his best interests at heart. That includes the One True Ted, all of the news media and Lawnboys.
The question is when is the Left going to stop? Are they going to keep disrupting and getting even more violent?
Until people put the blame where it belongs, they are in the drivers seat.
of course, you can always have peace. Just surrender.
This is moment for political wisdom. That might mean anti PC warriors will need to muster some self discipline.
The gig is up and that's a beautiful thing.
Do they have any?
rcocean said...
The question is when is the Left going to stop? Are they going to keep disrupting and getting even more violent?
They're like wolves. Give 'em the smell of blood and they'll come in packs.
That's why Troop is mostly right. Shutting down tonight may be smart (especially after that one guy was charged with assault for smacking a protester), but he can't let them get to him.
PS Thinking about the Trump supporter who smacked the idiot, maybe The Donald wanted to show people why the guy might have been justified. Vertainly killed the Michelle Fields thing.
YMMV
None if the candidates have to support each other. Trumps getting all kinds of good publicity out of this. You don't hear me complaining about that and I'm a Cruz supporter. Cruz's reaction was appropriate. Blame the hired speech deniers and talk about his vision, how he wants to bring the country back together. Somebody asked him if he thought Trumps policies were to blame and he was all, what policies? Which was funny, Rubio like a lot of the media guys was trying to say both sides were equally at fault. Also I'm not so thrilled with Rubio's PC default notions.
When a mercenary army that denies people the right to speak and the right to assemble is bought and paid for by a political party (by and through its transparently obvious agents) then that is a serious violation of civil rights.
Ir's not about supporting the other candidates, it's about supporting what's right. And if we must look at it politically I think Cruz did himself more harm than good.
Am, if the One True Ted doesn't support Trump, as far as being able to speak in Chi-Town, he shoots himself in the head - politically.
I've been looking at Insta, home of the Cruzzers, and you'd be surprised how many are taking the same view as Rabel.
The old "I may disagree with what you say, but I shall defend to the death your right to say it" is the only acceptable answer if you say you're a defender of the Constitution.
This is going to blow him out of the race. And Rubio can forget being governor of FL - if he ever had a shot.
None of the candidates will support the right of Trumps fans to attend a rally. The media will blame Trump for the actions of these criminals. Only fools will tell you that you should surrender to the likes of Black Lives Matters or Bernies Occupy Wall Street assholes.
Trump has to make a choice. Hold the police and the Democratic administration to their duty to enforce the law.
Or let them burn down the CVS and take over the campus.
This is the turning point of the election.
I want peace.
I don't even know what happened but it sounds both a) ridiculous, and b) like no reason for any campaign to do anything differently than it has done. I am against disrupting people's speech for almost any reason.
Many Trump and Sanders campaign supporters have overlap in that they're just fed up with the system and they want people who simply have the courage to honestly articulate what it is that the people and the nation need, not just what the donors will pay for.
I think Trump's comments the other night about Islam hating us were very smart. Stop putting us on the defensive. If the whole Islamophilia movement is about victimization, proclaim who the real victims are: Those in the west who follow love, peace, individual responsibility and not this dishonest lack of accountability for violent doctrines and violent cultural shortcomings that have never been resolved or even seriously challenged in the last thousand years.
Ed,
Thanks for the link about Terrorist Bill Ayers. That shithead should be jail not leading a "protest".
Bottom line for me: Any Republican who does the Pontius Pilate routine or blames Trump for this, loses my vote and respect. This is the left shutting down conservative/Republican speech. Commissar Leon Wolf over at supposedly "conservative" Red state labels the disruption "Fascists vs. Leftists". Pathetic.
This same leftist group is going to come after Cruz/rubio/whoever once they get the nomination.
Of course, we can avoid all this 'violence' by nominating Mitt again. Nobody ever disputed a Romney rally. Fell asleep maybe.
As a Bernie Sanders supporter I fully support Trump or any Trump supporter violently roughing up any Sanders supporter who actually attempts to disrupt any of his rallies.
It's one thing to protest (preferably outside). If you disrupt, though, then I don't have sympathy. If you disrupt, then Trump can rough you up.
Trump supporters don't have to rough up Bernies supporters. The cops just have to enforce the law. Period.
Agreed.
That's why this whole story is brilliant if it was less innocent than initially reported.
Trump wins off of any portrayal of government as incompetent when it comes to effective, orderly enforcement of law.
His whole campaign started on the issue of a wall and enforced immigration policies. If he can portray local authorities as incompetent and/or corrupt when it comes to enforcing his right to peaceably assemble, then that's just another arrow in his quiver.
On another note re: surrender - it's interesting that Meade reserves the right to delete any commenter who has been banned or who simply goes against the tone of a given post. Meanwhile, he also apparently reserves his own supposed "right" to pollute any space where he has been explicitly asked to leave.
Blog comments discretion for me but not for thee, saith the Meade.
And if we must look at it politically I think Cruz did himself more harm than good.
I think so too.
Nancy's funeral is re-airing on CSPAN right now.
Also - one minor point of order: If there were true left-wing disrupters (esp. if black) then in all likelihood they would have been Clinton supporters instead of Sanders supporters. ;-)
Remember who the real assholes are on the left.
Power line's an interesting site. A lot of advertising clickbait at the bottom. Did anyone get a link to "Zingerly" for 23 hot women bending at the waist? I clicked it but, like usual when it comes to these things, they are very buggy and slow down your computer so badly that you stop after the first image or two and resume your more conventional internet thang.
The Pope's disapproval added to Trump's vote count. I don't think a riot provoking demonstration by Bill Ayers, BLM, and the Occupy Wall Street crowd will do him any harm......The point of the rally is to win the election not to hold a rally. They've just handed Trump the victim card, and he will play it and win with it. The media will blame this on Trump's rhetoric, but most people will recognize that line as bullshit. The media's bias will only increase the potency of his victim card.......I don't see Trump as the loser in this affair.
So, when somebody "claims responsibility" are we to think it's really a nefarious opposition at fault?
R&B's 11:48 comment is intriguing.
For some reason I hear someone humming "Glory Days" in the background.
If Trump and his followers can remain calm and nonviolent, the protesters will make spectacles of themselves and will be widely seen as undemocratic and anti-free speech. Similar to Gov. Walker in 2011
Did Hell just freeze over? I agree with Meade.
The optics of this mass of leftist, socialists, moronic college students, black lives matter dopes, all out to suppress the First Amendment rights of other people (Trump supporters) is not going to play well with the rest of the country and people who may have been on the fence about who to vote for.
The right to assemble and protest is guaranteed to BOTH the protestors and to the attendees of the events. The protestors can dance and chant to their hearts content, outside on the street. BUT when they start getting violent, impeding people from attending, ripping signs out of the Trump supporters hands and shouting down speech that they don't like, they have crossed the line.
Who are the Fascists now? The Bernie supporters and all the rest of the mob.
Trump can spin this to his benefit in a New York Minute. Show sorrow for this voters and supporters, their safety is more important than a rally, bemoan the loss of the First Amendment, the suppression of freedom of speech and assembly. Make a connection to the same suppression on college campuses that we have seen lately....AND is THIS the type of people that YOU want to be in control of your government. WHO is next on their agenda.
Cruz stepped in a big pile of dog doo by trying to blame Trump for the actions of the mob.
Cruz and the mob of socialist protestors have given Trump a huge gift. I hope he uses it.
From a comment at Insty regarding this riot
I saw this movie in 1968. Spoiler: the republicans win.
:-)
History....dang. Those who don't know it, doomed to repeat it.
Looks like trooperyork is joining the Hillary campaign
Looks like trooperyork is joining the Hillary campaign.
I heard Kasich blaming Trump this morning. Doesn't Kasich realize the protestors would be doing this ti him if he was the frontrunner? Doesn't he realize the protestors are going to create chaos and mayhem at the Repub convention in Cleveland this summer? Does Kasich think the protestors will give him a pass?
No. But I don't think DBQ has it right. She wants Trump to play the victim. Of course the beta males want to surrender. To bow down to political correctness and the mobs that want to enforce it n the public square. If Trump surrenders and abandons the rights of his supporters to gather at a rally than he is lost and not worthy of their support.
I heard Kasich too. And Little Marco. EThey said that Trump divides us. So he should accept illegal immigration and one sided trade deals to line the pockets of the duopoly. That he needs to be politically correct. And you people that agree with what Trump as saying? Sit down and shut up and let your betters run things.
She wants Trump to play the victim
Not at all Trooper. Not playing a victim or bowing down to political correctness, but rather making a good strategic move that puts the others at a disadvantage and exposes them for the intolerant fascists that THEY are.
By putting the safety of HIS people above all and pointing out the fascist actions of the left he becomes a leader who CARES about "The People" more than himself. People will love this. Had he gone on with the event and there were injuries or even deaths (you know there would have been) the press would have been able to say....SEE....Trump cares more about himself and his Nazi like rallies than he does anything else.
Throwing your supporters to the rioters like cannon fodder or making the rioters look like the intolerant jerks that they are OR protecting your flock (so to speak). Which is better.
Look. I'm with you. I would love to see the ever livin' snot beat out of these rioters and leftists morons. However much that would feel great, it would be harmful to the ultimate goal, which is to get in control of the Party and be elected President. Long term goals versus the immediate satisfaction
The fact that there are paid protesters from not only the left but also from the right in the form of the GOPe is another arrow in Trump's quiver. The public is sick of these protests from the Occupy Wall Street, Black Lives Matter racists. The public is sick of the elites, the George Soros, the Alinskies trying to manipulate us and taking away our rights.
Sacrificing your followers for optics is not a winning strategy against these guys, because they have control of and support from the media. In this case you do not win by using the same tactics as the enemy, and make no mistake...they ARE the enemy of the American People. You win by taking a more roundabout way and doing the UNEXPECTED. They want confrontation, violence, injuries and even death. You win by denying them their goals.
You win by surrendering? They just cancelled another rally in Cincinattti.
So now we win by making all Trump events a No-go zone?
That is a winning strategy?
Trump needs to demand that the cops do their job and that he be able to hold his events. Period.
Trump would have lost if he let the rally go forward and it broke out into a riot. He wins more votes every time these asswipes show up to silence him. I am not sure how Trump can prevent this from happening again and again unless he hires a 1,000 man security team to screen attendees. And that would be horrible for the so-called optics.
And now Rubio is piling on Trump. Doesn't Rubio remember seeing LaRaza members at protests waving Mexican flags and demanding amnesty?
Trump got his support because a lot of people thought he was a fighter. That he wasn't going to surrender to the forces of political correctness. Well now he has his chance to prove it.
There is a difference between being a fighter who makes good strategic moves, who doesn't squander his troops unnecessarily and one who just goes balls to the wall full tilt boogie and damn the consequences for ego or other reasons.
Winning is the goal. Kicking butt is a bonus, but if kicking butt kills your troops or puts you into a poor strategic position, you may have won the current battle but you have lost the war.
I am not sure how Trump can prevent this from happening again and again
Don't hold your rallies on a college campus. Those places are full of idiots.
Stay out of the big urban blue cities....also full of idiots, many of whom are not going to vote for you anyway. Some areas are really just lost causes anyway.
Hold your rallies in areas that are able to be protected, and YES hire a ton of protection and as Trooper says...DEMAND that the police protect you and your troops/supporters.
You don't win by ceding public spaces to these criminals. And they are criminals. That is what Black lives matters and illegal immigrants are by definition.
Trump has to be able to have large rallies in large cities as is his right under the law. They don't get to stop that. The law and the Constitution is on Trumps side. He has to demand that the corrupt government authorities enforce the law. Period.
I would not hire private security. That plays into the Hitler narrative. I also would not abandon the cities of America. Do not take consuerl of your fears. We have a right to live and vote in the city too.
Demand that the cops do their job. Period.
Do not take counsel of your fears.
Damn iPad posts before I can spell check.
"You don't win by ceding public spaces to these criminals. And they are criminals. That is what Black lives matters and illegal immigrants are by definition."
Says the big man who, on this very blog last year, wished for a "riot stew" to occur in Madison, Wisconsin, America.
"I also would not abandon the cities of America. Do not take consuerl of your fears. "
Same Trooper York, who hoped to be entertained by a "nice riot stew" in Madison, Wisconsin.
DBQ, I agree, forget the campuses, but which cities and venues, say in Ohio. I'm thinking Columbus may be a reasonable option.
Trooper, the police may want to do their jobs, but it's walking into a BLM minefield.
Trooper Hypocrite, Stew Dreamer.
The only way morons who live in lily white enclaves will get a taste of what big city people have to deal with is if these people come to their town. Of course that doesn't happen because these liberals move away and live in lily white enclaves and leave those problems behind. But when they try to go to the city for a baseball game or a Trump rally they get to experience what is a day to day reality.
The Trump fans who came to attend a rally just got a taste. Some say surrender because that is good "optics." But when you do that you just ensure the behavior will be repeated. The next time it might be in your town DBQ.
"I heard Kasich blaming Trump this morning."
He's a perfect cuckservative, who only talks conservative when he has too.
I agree about Trump not abandoning the big cities but stay away college campuses. Those places are for left-wing losers. Might want to stay out of the Harlem, the Tenderloin, Marin county, Beverly Hills, and Watts while you're at it.
Madison Wisconsin is in America?
I'd forgotten.
Meade really does try his darnedest to make the mediocre memorable. His life depends on it.
No go zones all the way down.
"Chicago community activist Quo Vadis said hundreds of protesters had positioned themselves in groups around [inside] the arena, and that they intend to demonstrate right after Trump takes the stage. Their goal, he said, is “for Donald to take the stage and to completely interrupt him. The plan is to shut Donald Trump all the way down.”
I think Trooper is underestimating the immediacy and danger of the situation. Tactically it was better to cancel than to have been shouted down after trying to begin the rally. The protesters were inside the wire in numbers and had a plan of action. The police and security would have been overwhelmed. He made the right call this time, but Trump and law enforcement need to anticipate future attempts and be prepared rather than caught by surprise.
Trump isn't playing the victim. He is the victim of an organized movement to inhibit his free speech and of a media that supports this organized movement.......There will be an election on Tuesday. After the election we will be able to assess the potency of each side's tactics. If, as I suspect, this adds to Trump's vote totals, then he has chosen the right tactics. If not, then perhaps Troop has a point.......I'm doing a slow burn over this. I don't recall any Tea Partiers disrupting Obama's events. One congressman shouted out a one word expletive during one of Obama's speeches, and he got roundly criticized. The f/u people who are flocking to Trump's banner will gow in size because of this.
The police and the Secret Service should have been prepared. As I understand it the police claim that they never told Trump that he should cancel the rally. I think they are lying. I am sure the police on the scene told him to cancel but there was never an "official request." They have plausible dependability.
Be that as it may...lets take them at their word. They say they never asked Trump to cancel. That they were prepared and able to handle the protest. If that is true then the rally should have gone on as planned.
The only way to know is to force the issue. Does Donald Trump and his supporters have the right to have a rally and a gathering in a large American City where he rents out the venue or does he not. Do Bernie's communist cadres and Black Lives Matters Criminals and Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio and John Kasich and the news media have the right to veto it?
You know what they are saying? Look at what you made me do.
Where have you heard that before?
That is plausible denial-ability.
They certainly don't have dependability. That is a joke. The murder rate in Chicago is full testament to that.
Troop, I've seen many scenes from inside and outside the event. It Chicago PD calls what I saw "prepared and able to handle the protest," they're lying.
Kevin Bacon comes to mind.
I think that's the point Rabel. The government of Barack Obama and Tiny Dancer and I bet Governor John Kasich at the Ohio location of the Republican Convention will tell Trump to cancel and then lie about it. So he has to demand out front and in public that they protect his voters and arrest criminals who attack them.
Otherwise it is the Black Panthers in Philly all over again. Don't Republicans ever learn?
Is Ted Cruz really that stupid?
The next time it might be in your town DBQ.
My "town" has 580 people in it. And about 6000 people, maybe, within a 2500 square mile area surrounding. 50 miles x 50 miles square or 25 miles in any direction from the valley floor. It would be too much work for the protesters to come here. They would have to get out of their comfort zones.
Besides, 80% or more of the people are armed and willing.
It's not the protestors. It is the illegals. It is "poor and disadvantaged" who will be moved into your rural community to make it properly diverse according to a government formula.
Disparate Impact. Look it up. It is coming to rural communities near you.
@ Trooper.
That has already been discussed and if it happens will be dealt with.
I wish I had your options.
I am very seriously considering moving and getting to a similar place.
Well if that's the case just don't discount Vermont, is all I'm saying. It's closer to Brooklyn, too.
You sad shits; crying out loud.
Chip Ahoy shows you beauty nearly every day, and yet you devolve to this idiocy continually.
"Despair is a mortal sin" I remember WFB saying, so why not turn Catholic if you are so depressedly despondent?
Christ I don't know, but I am sad, in Denver, to see these hateful beings focusing so UnBuckley.
FOCUS ON GOOD and comment on bad when needed; become not a hateful being.
Unless defense is an NFL concept to you personally.
Nobody who cares, really, really cares, about the future is online. That is why all the rhetoric is accurate.
In some way.
Oh fuck I'm Miranda.
Oh fuck that jokes over a decade old.
Us Gingers have known, for some time, as it were, the real realness gap.
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