Take down the #ConfederateFlag at the SC Capitol. To many, it is a symbol of racial hatred. Remove it now to honor #Charleston victims.
— Mitt Romney (@MittRomney) June 20, 2015
Mitt Romney Denounced Flying Of Confederate Flag... back in 2008
One question that was conspicuously absent from Monday night’s Fox News South Carolina Republican Debate was whether the candidates endorse that state’s continued flying of the Confederate flag in front of their capitol. With yet another debate scheduled for tonight, on CNN, the issue may come up, as it did at 2008’s CNN South Carolina debate...Video at the Link
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On this, he's dead wrong.
They have the right to fly that flag. And it's not racist.
The idea you can't wear an American flag shirt at a Cinco De Quatro Day - by court order! - or that some little illegal can trail the Mexican flag across the stage as she graduates from a state college is a lot more an issue.
The creep in Charleston cared nothing for the Confederacy and we all know it.
No, we have a right to fly any flag we want - except the American flag - as sanctified by the appellate courts.
Grant owned slaves, Lee did not.
Lincoln waited until he needed the abolitionists' money to continue the war to issue the Emancipation Proclamation and still made it very conditional.
And the last state to abandon slavery was Delaware in December of 1865.
Tell me again about slavery.
And "legal segregation and the terror of Jim Crow" were carried out under the flag of the US of A, with the sanction of the Democrat Party.
And I think we're going to find out the "racist" part of the massacre is a lot of hokum.
The little creep just wanted the attention.
This guy, who happens to be black, says he sees nothing wrong with it, even fought a college faculty to keep it hanging in his dorm room window.
Link to video
Romney, in his own words, is "extremely conservative," except when it comes to America's heritage.
Never let a tragedy go to waste..isn't that what most libruls espouse?
Eliminating the Confederate flag is fine with me. But let's take it one step further -let's ban the flags of the nations of those 121 illegals who were to be deported but instead were illegally released by the Obama admin and they then went on and murdered 121 Americans.
I actually which is more lethal? The confederate flag or the Obama admin's incompetent,law ingoing Immigration Dept?
Its SC business as to what Flag they wish to fly. That Romney thinks otherwise is typical of his liberalism. People seem to forget he tried to beat Ted Kennedy by running to his left on social issues. They've been flying it for 50 years, it has nothing to do with the murders.
At least he's better than Johnny McCain, who lied about supporting the Flag in 2000, then denounced it in his book, and then flip-flopped back in 2008, or at least took the edge off his statements in print. No doubt McCain is now back to being 110% against it.
I blame Spartacus.
They should ban Roman a Candles on the Fouth of July.
Its glad we haven't let this mass murder to waste and are now talking about the real issues - namely the SC state flag.
You can tell the people who know little about the Civil War. They think it was all about slavery. Public middle school mentality.
"The American Civil War was precipitated primarily over the issue of the expansion of slavery into new states."
Glory, glory hallelujah. He got something almost right, if we lean heavily on "precipitated" and "primarily."
His (and Wikipedia's) truth is marching on.
I predict the majority of voters in South Carolina, through their state legislature, will take down the stigmatized Confederate battle flag, just as other former confederate states have done. Many will do it as a way of honoring those good souls who were executed 2 days ago in a murderous act of terrorism. Most South Carolinians are decent, kind, and good people.
The overcompensation we see here, from a troubled man born and raised in the loins of the KKK, and now living in the most racist city in the US, is pitiful. I have always socialized w/ black people and have had black friends all my life. This fraud likes black people in the abstract only. The litmus test for me is, were any black people @ your wedding. Or, your weddings. This friendless loser has never had a black person in his house, unless they were there to clean.
I am leaning to the opinion that the flag had very little to do with this psycho's massacre.
Meade said...
No, we have a right to fly any flag we want - except the American flag - as sanctified by the appellate courts.
You also have a 1st amendment right to burn a cross. So why don't you?
You're sounding remarkably like Ritmo.
ndspinelli said...
You can tell the people who know little about the Civil War. They think it was all about slavery. Public middle school mentality.
When I was a kid, I remember there was a lot about strong protective tariffs in the causes of the war.
You know, money stuff. Secession would have bankrupted the country.
Also some quotes
"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or destroy slavery."
"I view the matter [Emancipation Proclamation] as a practical war measure, to be decided upon according to the advantages or disadvantages it may offer to the suppression of the rebellion."
“I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the states where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.”
I’m with Meade. And Alexander Stephens, the vice president of the Confederacy, who proudly proclaimed in his Cornerstone Address in 1861 that slavery was the cause that underlay all the other causes of the Civil War:
'...the new Constitution has put at rest forever all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institutions-African slavery as it exists among us-the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson, in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the "rock upon which the old Union would split." He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact. But whether he fully comprehended the great truth upon which that rock stood and stands, may be doubted. The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old Constitution were, that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally and politically. ...Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the idea of a Government built upon it-when the "storm came and the wind blew, it fell."
Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and moral condition. [Applause.] This, our new Government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth. This truth has been slow in the process of its development, like all other truths in the various departments of science. It is so even amongst us. Many who hear me, perhaps, can recollect well that this truth was not generally admitted, even within their day. The errors of the past generation still clung to many as late as twenty years ago. Those at the North who still cling to these errors with a zeal above knowledge, we justly denominate fanatics. All fanaticism springs from an aberration of the mind; from a defect in reasoning. It is a species of insanity. One of the most striking characteristics of insanity, in many instances, is, forming correct conclusions from fancied or erroneous premises; so with the anti-slavery fanatics: their conclusions are right if their premises are. They assume that the negro is equal, and hence conclude that he is entitled to equal privileges and rights, with the white man.... I recollect once of having heard a gentleman from one of the Northern States, of great power and ability, announce in the House of Representatives, with imposing effect, that we of the South would be compelled, ultimately, to yield upon this subject of slavery; that it was as impossible to war successfully against a principle in politics, as it was in physics or mechanics. That the principle would ultimately prevail. That we, in maintaining slavery as it exists with us, were warring against a principle-a principle founded in nature, the principle of the equality of man. The reply I made to him was, that upon his own grounds we should succeed, and that he and his associates in their crusade against our institutions would ultimately fail. The truth announced, that it was as impossible to war successfully against a principle in politics as well as in physics and mechanics, I admitted, but told him it was he and those acting with him who were warring against a principle. They were attempting to make things equal which the Creator had made unequal.'
The full text is here.
No, secession, as guaranteed by the Federalist papers.
Not to mention the IX and X Amendments.
"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or destroy slavery" makes Abe a great President? I don't think so.
And neither did William Seward.
But let me throw another log on the fire.
If slavery was the end-all and be-all of the War, why did Robert E Lee write a letter to the Confederate Congress telling them if they wanted to win, they'd better end slavery and enlist all the ex-slaves in the confederate Army?
A sentiment, I might add, offered by several other Confederate officers from time to time, including Pat Cleburne right before he was killed
Meade, I forget your response/retort to your erstwhile favorite blogger when he attempted to smear an entire portion of the US, branding them "The New Confederacy"? George Will took him down; I objected too. What was your response? What was your wife's response?
Links please.
@AJ "I am leaning to the opinion that the flag had very little to do with this psycho's massacre."
The creep didn't like the American flag
@chickelit, I forget too. Have you tried typing the terms into the search window of her blog?
Oh goodie gumdrops this again.
and again
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and again
Little sister is just that persistent and just that wearisome. About guns little sister never intends to use about flag little sister never intends to respect. My opinion is made up on this issue, contrary to my own feels and little sister does not listen to me so I've stopped listening to her.
I don't read anybody else's opinion.
You'll have to trick me to deliver it and I'm hard to trick because your opinion the whole thing gets skipped, tripped up by the simplest things. I know I'll be reading a bullshitter. When I seen "it represents" *skip* or when I see, "some people feel" *skip* when I see buzzwords like "stigmatized" *skip* "slavery" *skip* "Jim crow" *skip*
With the insouciant-sounding *skip* is also the hard concrete thought ¡IRRELEVANT!
¡IRRELEVANT!
¡IRRELEVANT!
¡IRRELEVANT!
They lost the war, the good guys won. The good guys gleaming and shining in their goodness, always such saints, DON'T get to erase their history. Full stop. Have a good day. ISAIDGOODDAY
Meade said...
Slavery was the primary issue that led to secession which led to the Civil War
Try again.
The issue was money.
You are old enough to have been taught that one of the constant sticking points between the North and South was the tariff. I get the distinct impression it isn't taught now, but it was in 1958 in Haverford PA
As Joe Johnston noted, 10% of the Confederate Army owned 90% of the slaves. For what were the other 90% fighting?
The politicians on both sides belched about slavery, but it was the industrial North (with its Irish wage slaves) and the agrarian South.
I'll take a guess — Lee loved his state of Virginia, not the institution of slavery, and he did not want to see his country destroyed.
Ergo, Lee was not in it for slavery; btw, Grant did own slaves. Thanks for making my point.
But, as I said, several other officers throughout the War made similar noises.
I wonder what Wendell Wilkie thinks about this burning issue?
It would seem to be just as relevant.
Meade said...
But of course in reality they were fighting for the 10%'s "right" to own human beings as property for forced labor (slavery) for, as you pointed out, money and wealth.
No, they were fighting because they had been invaded. That's why they called it a rich man's war and a poor man's fight.
This must be why President Grant, by executive order, reinstated slavery in all 50 states and ordered the Confederate battle flag be flown full mast over the White House.
Now you're just being silly.
Or Ritmoesque, if you prefer.
However, you make my point again - it wasn't about slavery.
But Grant did remain friendly with a lot of former Confederate officers.
Look up the Aztec Club.
"You'll have to trick me to deliver it and I'm hard to trick because your opinion the whole thing gets skipped, tripped up by the simplest things. I know I'll be reading a bullshitter. When I seen "it represents" *skip* or when I see, "some people feel" *skip* when I see buzzwords like "stigmatized" *skip* "slavery" *skip* "Jim crow" *skip* "
Good one Chip. Me, I've been suffering from racism fatigue for years.
Once again, Meade feels compelled to don his blackface and proclaim himself an honorary nigger.
This piece of shit is one of most vile lowlife bastards I've ever encountered.
Using the murder of nine people as a pretext for halo preening again.
Meade said...
This must be why President Grant, by executive order, reinstated slavery in all 50 states and ordered the Confederate battle flag be flown full mast over the White House.
One of the dumbest fucking comments ever written. At the start of the Civil War, there were 34 states and at the end of the war, there were 36 states. Nebraska was admitted in 1867. Grant was president from 1869-71.
By the way, shouldn't you have said 57 states?
@Allen
What can you expect? The man is a lowlife bastard and a fucking moron.
Meade is going to have a hard-on for a long time over this tragedy.
Unlimited opportunities for sanctimonious halo preening!
"Once again, Meade feels compelled to don his blackface and proclaim himself an honorary nigger."
More likely he thinks of himself as Atticus Finch defending innocent blacks against overall wearing racists with tobacco juice dribbling down the side of their mouths.
Hyperventilating about the Confederate flag and calling everyone else racists is an easy way to earn some smug liberal points.
"I see what you mean, Ed. This must be why President Grant, by executive order, reinstated slavery in all 50 states and ordered the Confederate battle flag be flown full mast over the White House."
Cute and yet Lincoln actually suspended the writ of habeas corpus.
Regarding Atticus Finch, he wouldn't have stood a chance if worldstarhiphop.com had been around. But hey, blame a flag! Blame guns! Blame white people! Oh hey look over there, 10 people got shot in Chicago this weekend. Cue crickets from the media and the political hype machines.
Has Colorado or Connecticut changed their flags yet?
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