"Public’s Shift on #SameSexMarriage Was Swift, Broad" http://t.co/kc2QtVp7ZU via @WSJ #SCOTUS #ObergefellvHodges pic.twitter.com/WpzXJpaghA
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"Public’s Shift on #SameSexMarriage Was Swift, Broad" http://t.co/kc2QtVp7ZU via @WSJ #SCOTUS #ObergefellvHodges pic.twitter.com/WpzXJpaghA
— Washington Journal (@cspanwj) June 27, 2015
160 comments:
Interesting, there are Women, Hispanics, Mid-Western Whites, but one demographic doesn't seem to matter.
"but one demographic doesn't seem to matter."
The demographic that failed to shift at all on same sex marriage. They're the new victim class: the Shiftless.
Well the gay community didn't shift at all on same sex marriage, but they are a bit of the old victim class. I wouldn't resort to name calling, but I understand Meade that is all you have. And, it is not the demographic I noticed missing.
Here's one demographic that doesn't seem to care:
ISIS 4, gays 0
7 years ago, when Chip Ahoy got an "A": http://althouse.blogspot.com/2008/11/here-is-barack-obama-in-his-own-words.html?showComment=1226644080000#c6807726793912372972
Learn how to make a link.
"And, it is not the demographic I noticed missing."
African-Americans?
Maybe it's this demographic.
Islamic Center of East Madison
4002 Lien Rd
Madison, WI
(608) 242-9937
Islamic Center of Madison
21 N Orchard St
Madison, WI
(608) 251-9851
Why don't you go over to these two places and call them shiftless? Ask them if they'll be doing any same sex marriages. If they say no, make sure you get in their faces. Have your wife video tape it.
Allens, you now have the privilege of belonging to an Oppressed Minority. Don't cry about it. Don't be grouchy and petulant. Learn to be happy. Now you can even be gay about it!
It's now in the Constitution: Love. The Love Train is leaving the station. ALL aboard! Don't let yourselves be left on the platform of Resentment.
It's not in the Constitution. Have your wife explain.
I know. I'm not talking about THAT constitution, Allens. I'm talking about the new constitution. The Muslim constitution.
Meade is doing what I expected, which is not just be happy he got what he wanted, or to gloat about it, but to become enraged even further because....
Because he is damaged, to the core, and must make everyone else feel as bad as he does, because he cannot -ever- feel good (being as damaged and corrupt as he has become).
There is no medication for his kind of damage and the corrosive pain it causes him. He feels better momentarily by attacking others so they, too, feel bad.
It is evidenced by how, having gained a victory, he cannot savor it, but must increase other's pain.
Pathetic, really.
He does have this type's capacity for finding someone's weakest point, something the soulless share with other predators, so is his barbs are generally meaningless as he doesn't really believe in anything he says; it's all for effect. Your reaction is all he wants, he doesn't really believe anything he says.
So he does evil whenever he posts.
And he is a foretaste of what the left next has in store.
Disagreement is hate.
Hell, silence will be called hate.
Unless you actively celebrate and/participate in all things gay, you are the KKK.
And remaining silent will not be enough.
Meade has shown us what evil will do next. I thank him for that quick proof, that slip of the mask.
Now he can slink away and grind his teeth and stamp his cloven hoof elsewhere.
Very well put Pogo.
The life of the deviant is punishment enough. Normal people should just turn away to their own concerns.
"[The decision] will be used to vilify Americans who are unwilling to assent to the new orthodoxy. In the course of its opinion, the majority compares traditional marriage laws to laws that denied equal treatment for African-Americans and women. The implications of this analogy will be exploited by those who are determined to stamp out every vestige of dissent."
--Samuel Alito
Let us gang up and bully churches and Christians who quietly disagree. Out of LOVE! Get your love lawsuits ready!
Thx, Troop.
I will admit I smiled in reading Althouse's few posts on Instapundit.
They were her usual high school art student approach to law, but what interested me were the comments.
I was surprised by how many, so I read them.
Hilarious.
They ripped her to shreds. Some were very funny. Has had a great one.
When she cannot control the comments, she is mercilessly mocked.
I don't know if it was Meade "reporting" multiple comments, but the white knighting made it even funnier.
Careful, Pogo and Trooper,
Lem has a rule about personal comments with information about other commenters. He'll delete you if you cross his line.
Those two Muslim mosques that I put up have email addresses. Should I, or would you like to forward your comment that ssm is now in the Muslim constitution?
"Haz had a great (comment)."
Damn auto-correct.
I think the comment civility rule applies only to revelatory references to those who have souls, so we're fine.
Besides, I'm not revealing any personal info about you, merely diagramming your sentences, with interpretation.
A Meade midrash, if you will.
Maybe you can get some Obamacare for your butt-hurt.
I don't think Annie will be guest blogging much more in the future. LOL!
Ah, Meade is reduced to juvenilia.
My arrow must have found home.
You'll have to try harder, or maybe stomp someone else's heart to get your daily quota of Somone Else's Tears, as your retorts mean nothing to me. It's like being criticized by plumbing. Gurgle, spit, swish, flush. Refill.
A crow outside my window just now made the same noise as you, but I found it more learned.
Like Allen S, I'll believe your commitment to The Cause when you show up at a mosque with your silly demands.
But there is no cause, merely a lust for power, hoping after hope that it, finally, can salve your pain.
But it won't.
Spoiler alert.
After the divorce, maybe lawnboy can marry Inga. Their commenting is the same. Borderline personality, create conflict, look @ me, pitiful middle school mindset, vapid, comments. Wherever they comment, that is the pathology. A great toxic marriage in the future.
Allen, my mistake in missing the muslim demographic. I guess Meade can call them shiftless too and see where that gets him.
Pogo is entirely correct and April picks the right Alito quote to sum up the utterly predictable Meade.
Pogo, did you notice Ed Driscoll trolling Ann.
Okay. Join hands, AprilApple, Pogo, Allens, Trooper, Leland, Lem, and everyone else who comes along. I love you all. Jesus forgives all our sins. May we all find His Amazing Grace. Love. It might not be in any constitution here on earth but it is in the Big Constitution — the one that ultimately matters. Keep looking, I have faith we will one day find it. Maybe through Mathematical Physics. Maybe rhhardin will find it today. And share it with all of us. In one of his blog comments we all... love.
Have a great weekend, folks.
Think I'll get outside for a while.
Smile.
The pill just kicked in.
Leland, I saw that and did wonder if it was directed at AA.
Very subtle.
Sorry Meade, sell crazy somewhere else. We're all stocked up here.
LOL! Or, the wife kicked out.
Come on, guys. Not hate. Love.
Wow! Meade was outside for 15 minutes! Sunshine is a good disinfectant. He couldn't handle it.
I've been outside. I'm still outside. I'm on my iPhone, walking Zeus, sitting now on a bench. It's a beautiful morning. People all around, pursuing their happiness. l hope you all get a chance to get out and enjoy it.
Zeus was polyamorous. Not too subtle in making your opinions known, are you?
Was there an "I don't care. Shut up already." choice? I heard those people were counted as "approve."
The SCOTUS decision, as Alito noted, forbids the ability to remain at peace, left alone, walking the dog and enjoying nature.
No, you must actively celebrate and participate in gay marriage or be denounced or fired.
Bullshit, Meade. You've got your pitchfork and torch ready to go.
Pound sand.
JAL, wrong thread, but no that wasn't a choice, yet it was close to my thoughts.
Than again JAL, I must admit that my enjoyment playing Out of the Park Baseball and watching supposedly happy people become unhinged was interrupted by my iPhone ringing with someone demanding I pick a side. So maybe this was the appropriate thread after all.
Retirees shifted 10 points to the left on so-called gay marriage in the past six years? Discouraging how without a spine some remain right to the end.
l hope you all get a chance to get out and enjoy it.
Only if their leader Martin Fox will allow it. But last I read he was going all Mel Gibson on the ruling.
It's obviously a horrible idea to seek out loveless celibates on any advice regarding romance, love, marriage, or anything of that sort. But that's the state of the leadership behind this reaction. Those talented enough to lead it, willingly destroy any chance for their own posterity. In a way, it's like what happened to the Shakers. A leadership out of time and out of place, struggling to force fidelity to outmoded dogma onto a society that has moved on. One that, quite literally, can't evolve. A literal Darwinian dead-end, in spiritual terms.
There will be a future for gays in this country. For those who sabotage their own chance at posterity while leading charges against folks simply asking for the same rights as everyone else - not so much.
I am happy for those benefiting from the decision, those who articulated it, and the country exemplified by it. But the people leading the charge against it I find just as pathetic as always, and a sad reminder of the ossified and completely unnecessary obstacles this country must overcome whenever it simply requires any action to remain relevant to the times.
Keep in mind the wsj poll is in conjunction with MSLSD, the network of Brian Williams.
Allow for a skew of at least 10 points.
Note nowhere is there info on sample size, MOE, breakdown, etc.
Until you see that, stay thirsty, my friends.
And here's Ritmo spreading falsehoods about the Padre.
Don't worry, God will get him.
Because God is Catholic.
I see ritmo is back in threads finding unicorns.
Don't worry, God will get him.
Because God is Catholic.
If this is what you must believe to defend your stance, then the reason for its irrelevance is obvious.
A leadership that neuters itself will never be able to remain relevant to society. Society (including even gays!) reproduce now. Leaders of worn-out dogmas, don't.
Leland need not bother himself with unicorns. We have an actual fossil of a social organization headed toward extinction not only cropping up in the comments, but providing him and his ideological ilk with instruction on what to believe.
Fox is among the dinosaurs of moral thought. But at least he is a showy one. Kind of like a pterodactyl. Kaw kaw!
Also ed, thanks for that sectarian hatred. Always a great way to lead a country. Or anything, for that matter.
Rhythm and Balls said...
A leadership that neuters itself will never be able to remain relevant to society. Society (including even gays!) reproduce now. Leaders of worn-out dogmas, don't.
His Poutiness and Ritmo are preaching stuff that went down when the Visigoths sacked Rome and he calls the opposition worn-out dogma.
And, in case he missed it, 2 homosexuals can't reproduce.
And the sectarian hatred Fox is among the dinosaurs of moral thought. But at least he is a showy one. Kind of like a pterodactyl. Kaw kaw! (not to mention the childishness) is all his.
PS A leadership that neuters itself will never be able to remain relevant to society.
That the latest boilerplate at Troll Central?
Catchy.
Oh, my bad, you've gone from seeing unicorns (entirely fictional) to dinosaurs (haven't existed in your lifetime, but you still see them). I guess that is an improvement. A couple of billion years of evolution needed to join the rest of us. Until then, you will still make uninteresting comments full of libel.
Whether you pretend to find it hateful or not (and I don't doubt that the unemployed do a lot of pretending), it's accurate.
But if you want a drier description of how social extinction happens, here you go.
BTW, are you saying I'm more Visigoth or Roman? It's hard to tell. But then, the papacy was designed to look exactly like the office of the Roman emperor, anyway. "Pontiff" was a word for describing a pagan guardian of the Roman state faith.
Oh, my bad, you've gone from seeing unicorns (entirely fictional) to dinosaurs (haven't existed in your lifetime, but you still see them).
I've seen many fossils of them. Very interesting things to look at.
I guess that is an improvement. A couple of billion years of evolution needed to join the rest of us. Until then, you will still make uninteresting comments full of libel.
Dinosaurs died 65 million years ago, not billions. And truth is the eternally incorruptible defense against libel. So which of my comments were libelous? Those referring to loveless celibacy, those referring to moral instruction in the romance and commitment department, or those referring to fading dominance and further irrelevance?
God help an organization that can't even face the facts of what ails it. But I guess there's always guys like you to whisper sweet nothings into its ear and insult the reciters of those facts. Maybe you and that organization should get married to each other.
I am allowed to find odd things, odd. No matter how important you find your oddities or how attached you are to them.
Too bad Ritmo can never find a good enough argument to get past his perpetual reliance on ad hominem.
And, if he picked up a book (which clearly I have done, but I doubt he has ever), he might be able to deduce to whom I was comparing him.
Come to think of it, maybe both do apply.
PS The use of the word "Pontiff" comes from the fact the early Church used the same language as the pagan Empire.
From another book I picked up and read.
So far, Ritmo is 0 for 2 on the literacy scale - and he once asked me if I ever read a book.
Which is probably why he asked it.
Poor Ritmo, always the sushi in the WV.
That was the most incoherent response I've ever seen ed come up with. But then, I often find homeless people to be inarticulate, when they're not in a drunken stupor. Perhaps ed's state is like that.
PS The use of the word "Pontiff" comes from the fact the early Church used the same language as the pagan Empire.
Not only the same language, they recycled the same pagan concepts.
This: Too bad Ritmo can never find a good enough argument to get past his perpetual reliance on ad hominem.
You guys are cracking me up.
Chick seems to have been left out. That was not right. He has earned proper disdain ;)
I gladly employ the Nietzschean exception to the ad hominem in cases that warrant it.
For those who never understood enough about philosophy or logic to learn it, Nietzsche's position was essentially this: When someone's arguments are so bizarre, strange and unreasoned, it is necessary to ask oneself, what kind of person would even think something so ridiculous?
When your spiritual blogleader Fox wants to start using decent arguments for you sheep to recycle, then we can address whatever substance (if there is any) lies beneath the reactionary attack on the Supreme Court's upholding of the protections of the 14th amendment in cases involving gays. But until then, I note that you're all just essentially relying on his identity as a member of an authoritative (if massively declining) social and ideological organization as a way of lending respectability to opinions that have no argumentative authority to back them up. I also note the number of personal attacks he (and the rest of you) has launched against me - including shunning.
Rhythm and Balls said...
Not only the same language, they recycled the same pagan concepts.
All men are brothers. Love thy neighbor as thyself. Turn the other cheek.
Blessed are the poor. Blessed are the peacemakers.
Good one, Rit.
BTW, did you guys know that saying "you guys" was not acceptable anymore?
Sexist, something or other.
Rhythm and Balls said...
I gladly employ the Nietzschean exception to the ad hominem in cases that warrant it.
Translation:
I haven't got anything better except tired old Lefty boilerplate cooked up in the third sub-basement of the Kremlin in 1935 ("his identity as a member of an authoritative (if massively declining) social and ideological organization"*) so I'll start name-calling like a 2 year old throwing a tantrum.
He's really covering himself with glory today.
* You mean authoritarian. Authoritative means his organization (about the same size as Islam and growing) is the final word.
Now he's 0 for 3. Never even picked up a dictionary.
"Pound sand."
Now, now, Please Keep it Civil, and that even means even you, Pogo.
And to everyone: Keep letting shine all those various little lights of yours, don't hide them under bushel hand baskets, and do whatever you can to make your own personal unions... even more... perfect. Thanks. You're beautiful. You, and you, and you, and, yes, even you. Why? Easy — because you were made in image of The Maker. All guys and gals are brothers and sisters. Live and let live and...
LIVE — IT'S SATURDAY NIGHT!
*love*
Not only the same language, they recycled the same pagan concepts.
All men are brothers. Love thy neighbor as thyself. Turn the other cheek.
Blessed are the poor. Blessed are the peacemakers.
Well, except for the ones they took from the Jews, of course. Just before condemning them to hell or whatever.
Translation:
I haven't got anything better except tired old Lefty boilerplate cooked up in the third sub-basement of the Kremlin in 1935 ("his identity as a member of an authoritative (if massively declining) social and ideological organization"*) so I'll start name-calling like a 2 year old throwing a tantrum.
Nope. The "translation" is where do you even get your facts and arguments FROM? Because they don't make a lick of sense.
Seriously. If there wasn't Fox around to lend weight and credence to your anti-gay rights stance, what's the reasoning and logic you would employ for it?
It doesn't exist. It's an emotional appeal to see your relationships (if you had any) as better, and worthy of more arbitrary privilege. One dominant theological institution agrees. So you go with that. Either you got the position from them or you use them as a fig leaf to cover your lack of any thought on it. But those fig leaves, big as they are, are still just dinosaur bones, theologically speaking.
ps:
I imagine at least one of you Lem's readers might be having trouble getting behind WSJ paywall to read the article Lem linked to. I won't copy and paste the entire thing (although it really is worth reading) but here's the end of the article. I hope you will find it valuable, meaningful, and hopeful:
Ms. England said she was on the verge of weeping. From South Carolina to Oklahoma, many opponents of gay unions echoed Ms. England’s dejection Friday while vowing to ramp up the fight to protect what they call traditional marriage.
These Americans now are in the minority, but they have outsize impact on Republican politics and will play a central role in the party’s 2016 primary campaign, presenting a test for candidates who must navigate a primary electorate that will look far different than the general-election voting pool. The dilemma is particularly acute for Republicans as they wrestle with the question of whether to rally the base and continue the battle against gay marriage, or reluctantly move in the direction of the broad shift in public opinion.
Support for gay marriage rose in Journal/NBC News polling over the last six years among women and men, whites and blacks and Hispanics, Democrats and Republicans, in cities and suburbs and small towns, among every age group and in every income bracket.
“There is no group that has become more opposed,” Mr. McInturff said.
The young helped lead the way: Support among 18- to 34-year-olds surged from 47% in October 2009, to 57% in March 2012, and then to 74% in March this year.
Suburban residents, political independents, Midwesterners and Hispanics all saw support for same-sex marriage surge by 22 or 23 percentage points between 2009 and 2015.
Friday’s ruling based the right to marriage on the Fourteenth Amendment, which guarantees equal protection and due process under the law. But Justice Anthony Kennedy’s majority opinion traced the legal decision back to changes in American society.
“In the late 20th century, following substantial cultural and political developments, same-sex couples began to lead more open and public lives and to establish families,” Mr. Kennedy wrote. The question of gay rights reached the courts, he wrote, because of “a quite extensive discussion of the issue in both governmental and private sectors,’’ as well as “a shift in public attitudes toward greater tolerance.”
Univ of WI should offer free classes on the proper use of html tags.
HERE, Leland.
People will feel different when the social justice warriors sue their church or synagogue or mosque for the "hate crime" of being opposed to same sex marriage. They will try to impose penalties and taxes and even no doubt incarceration for anyone who does not toe the progressive line in every jot and tittle.
I look forward to the Muslim response.
They do not seem to believe in turning the other cheek.
Meade said...
"but one demographic doesn't seem to matter."
The demographic that failed to shift at all on same sex marriage. They're the new victim class: the Shiftless
Unlike you of course that like our president, evolved into the shift and happened to marry a woman with homosexual children. I get it that you are sympathetic, but to ascribe victimhood to people who have a stance or opinion on the subject because they haven't capitulated to the new orthodoxy. You have been showing a filthy streak of doing that a lot lately. Characterizing whole swaths of people into a nice barrel that you can turn into a target rich environment.
The court can decide whatever it wants at this stage. It's already proven that self-determination for citizens is moot. It did that in homosexual marriage and it did it with the ACA ruling, but I don't agree with it any of it. That doesn't make me wrong, it doesn't make me shiftless, it doesn't make me a victim. An no amount of smarm and snark from you will make that any different.
You've shown yourself to be an ineffectual asshole that has become a bottom feeding troll. Get your digs in dog walker, it's all you have left.
Jim Dolan said...
It remains to be seen how popular the agenda of the deviant class will be when they proceed to attack and try to destroy your Church or synagogue or mosque. When they determine that your religious beliefs are beyond the pale and require you to be punished by penalties, taxes or even criminal sanctions for the "hate crime" of having different beliefs than that of the progressive elite.
When you Church or Sunday School or Soup Kitchen or Charity is sued out of existence by the Social Justice Warriors there might be a different reaction.
I look forward to what the Muslims have to say.
They don't believe in turning the other cheek.
"I look forward to what the Muslims have to say"
Why not just ask them, Jim? You make a good point — American Muslim seem to have been left out of the poll. Do you see yourself joining forces with them?
*love*
to you, Methadras
Unlike you I know many Muslims. You would be surprised about what they have to say. How vehement they are about this subject. I bet Ari could also speak to this. Especially what they have to say about the government forcing them to perform same sex marriages.
I told them not to worry. The progressive will never test them. They are afraid of them.
So far. But who knows? They might decide that they are a ripe target.
I will however be interested in how they respond if they are targeted as the Catholic Church and Orthodox Jews will be in the coming conflagration.
Ritmo calls the Jews pagans.
And, last I looked, those "Jewish" concepts are not the centerpiece of Judaism.
They are of Christianity.
And Ritmo forgets I link my arguments. all he does is shriek accusations.
Especially when he's losing.
Meade said...
These Americans now are in the minority, but they have outsize impact on Republican politics and will play a central role in the party’s 2016 primary campaign, presenting a test for candidates who must navigate a primary electorate that will look far different than the general-election voting pool
I hope you're not using the polls to back that up.
I think we all agree the polls, either by choice or intimidation, are part of the indoctrination machine in this country.
As I said up at the top:
Keep in mind the wsj poll is in conjunction with MSLSD, the network of Brian Williams.
Allow for a skew of at least 10 points.
Note nowhere is there info on sample size, MOE, breakdown, etc.
Until you see that, stay thirsty, my friends.
PS Troop the Lefties may never test them, but the Gaystapo will not be able to resist.
Somebody will insist on having an orgy in the park where they're having Moslem Family Fun Day or want to walk into a restaurant wearing nothing but flip flops and then it will get interesting.
Be somewhere else, compadre.
"I will however be interested in how they respond if they are targeted as the Catholic Church and Orthodox Jews will be in the coming conflagration."
Key word: "if"
Trooper York said...
"Unlike you I know many Muslims. You would be surprised about what they have to say. How vehement they are about this subject."
I only know a few Muslims. 2 are neighbors and 1 is a law professor. I'll ask them and let you know if I'm surprised about what they have to say. They don't seem like vehement people. They actually seem quite moderate.
Have you read Justice Thomas's dissent? It's pretty good. He talks about human dignity, whence it comes, whence it doesn't.
Seriously Meade, take a class if you plan on putting out link bait.
There is no "if" as regards the Catholic Church. They are afraid of the Muslims so they will not attempt to attack and demonize them as they are gearing up to do the Christians. Real Muslims not phony professors who are culturally Muslim but not hard core like the cab drivers and falafel guys that I know.
You know Troop I love you so I sympathize with the reaction you're having but the thought of a bunch of cab drivers shuttling priests and nuns around on pilgrimages to D.C. while they all get ready to pelt felafel balls out the window at the Supreme Court building is just way too funny to pass up.
New Chirbit series, inspired by Ritmo's "conversations" with Fr. Fox here and elsewhere: Possessing Ritmo (WARNING: Strong language)
You ok there, Chick?
Asphyxiating oneself shouldn't be required for making a recording.
Your little thing, there, is disturbing in other ways, also. Do you really take that exorcism shit seriously?
That's one way to keep America down on the rankings of educated populations.
The last time I likened you to satan, Ritmo, you laughed and enjoyed it.
Meade said...
I will however be interested in how they respond if they are targeted as the Catholic Church and Orthodox Jews will be in the coming conflagration.
Key word: "if"
No if.
When.
Rhythm and Balls said...
That's one way to keep America down on the rankings of educated populations.
We're there already thanks to Ritmo's idols.
"They" will never target Muslims because the people doing the targeting are Leftists. Their main enemy is Christianity. That's their real target. Once Christianity has been driven from the public square, then MAYBE they'll go after the Muslims.
As I said elsewhere, you're not talking about Leftists, you talking about the militant Gaystapo and these guys have the bit in their teeth.
They just have to get in your face.
Witness what happened to His Poutiness a few nights ago.
As I said to Troop a little earlier in the post Somebody will insist on having an orgy in the park where they're having Moslem Family Fun Day or want to walk into a restaurant wearing nothing but flip flops.
I think the Gaystapo will not be able to resist.
BTW There's a piece over at Insty about an IS flag at a SSM celebration and how CNN is trying to brush it off.
(some of you guys moonlighting at Insty, giving the guest bloggers a hard time?)
The last time I likened you to satan, Ritmo, you laughed and enjoyed it.
I say it's time for you to expand your repertoire of characters.
"That's one way to keep America down on the rankings of educated populations."
We're there already thanks to Ritmo's idols.
Yes! The uneducable unemployed (like you) are my idols!
CNN is trying to brush it off
I think you misread the Insty post. CNN thought it was an ISIS flag, but that Arabic is clearly the instruments common to the lesbian community who fear PIV, but still crave anything in V.
Somebody better get over to TOP. The host over there forgot that argument is supposed to come before conclusion. They get on that emotional bus without even asking where it's going. Next thing you know, you're in a neighborhood full of debauchery.
Ritmo crawls back, witty ripostes in hand.
/sarc
Someday, someone is going to get it through his head ad hominem is the mark of who's losing the fight.
In any case, I was referring to Arne Duncan, William Ayers, and all the other "distinguished educators" who have brought education in this country to the level of Rwanda.
Which brings us back to Ritmo.
bagoh20 said...
Somebody better get over to TOP. The host over there forgot that argument is supposed to come before conclusion
Have some of you guys been over at Insty, giving the guest bloggers a hard time?
bagoh20 said...
Somebody better get over to TOP.
I don't think so, bagoh20. Not this time. Meade's little stalker routine which he so diligently tried to cover up here through deletions was the last straw. If his wife is too blind or too unwilling to take note, well that says something negative about her as well.
I say it's time for you to expand your repertoire of characters.
Why? You and satan are perennial.
African-Americans?
Ed, as soon as you're ready to give up ad hominem and advance an actual argument, I'll do the same. Until then, I'll treat you to precisely the same nastily meandering, personal mudslinging that you can never seem to avoid.
It appears lawnboy is on a very short leash @ TOP. Very few comments and infrequent references by Annie. Divorce in 2016. He is conservative when he comments on liberal blogs, and liberal when he comments on conservative blogs. He needs negative attention. Serious daddy issues. The old man either ignored him or cuffed him around. It wasn't a healthy relationship.
Nick - If you'll pardon my saying so, pop-psychologizing in the modern way entails unnecessary offense.
My old Ghostly Adviser tells me 'twas fairer in his Day to call a Person an Humourist, who wrote odd and unaccountable Letters contrary to the Opinions of the Papers with which he corresponded. My Ghostly Informant further says, Notions occur in the Brain according to the rising Superfluity of one or more Bodily Humours. Thus, a Person may find himself both Cholerick & Sanguine; or, Bilious and Phlegmatick; or, may be under the Sway of even more, contrary Humourous Jostlings. A Man who readily gives himself over to such Influences - and knows to use them to his Benefit & to affect Others - may properly be term'd an Humourist; which Usage denotes more than that of this Modern Age, where it merely means a Person given to Comedick Discourse. The Old Usage may yet be taken as a Complement, were it not mangled by Malice.
How about instead of polls we have actual votes? Referendums? Though that didn't go so well ten years ago. When people are demonized in social media/public and lose jobs, they might not answer polls honestly.
So, if we're all equal, how come each state is allowed its own gun laws? How come some states don't honor other states conceal carry permits? This ruling on gay marriage makes national carry reciprocity a forgone conclusion. Well, except the obamacare part2 decision says words don't matter. Though I'm sure the rebuttal would be that love conquers all and who needs a right to self defense, even if the pursuit of happiness kind of requires one to be able to defend oneself.
Anyway, Althouse's argument over polygamy (from ten years ago) is mind boggling. It is all about the economics or un-fairness of poly relationships and like, two people marriage has been the tradition for like ever. Except that tradtion of one man and one woman was just overturned by 5 judges. So, uh... why should tradtion matter?
Fairness is a joke. If you want fairness get a prenup. Well, those usually don't hold up in court either I'm told. Judge's discretion and "best interests of the child" and all. More like best interests of the state, to rake in more money and control.
"and like, two people marriage has been the tradition for like ever."
Key word: "like"
I don't know why you so-called traditionalists don't dissolve your legal marriages now that the definition of "marriage" has been changed and corrupted. Words no longer have meaning. In protest and on principle, dissolve your unnatural government "marriage". Your "traditional" Christian marriage is no longer protected by the government. Protected from the gays and now the polygamists. Why not do the honorable thing? — dissolve your legal marriages, go back to your church and reaffirm your vows. That's the only real marriage now, right? Otherwise, how can you continue to endure this indignity?
"The old man either ignored him or cuffed him around."
Once again, Nick projects, TT preens.
Go to your wives, guys. Spend less time on the internet. Be better husbands, give more attention to and take better care of your own marriages, protect your children. Don't just call yourselves Conservatives — conserve your purported family values by living and demonstrating them in own your individual private and public lives.
And so, my fellow heterosexuals: ask not what your country can do to protect the dignity of your marriage, ask what you can do in your own marriage to bring dignity to yourself and your country.
I just celebrated my 38th anniversary. I am close to my 2 children, not estranged. I had a wonderful father of whom I often speak. You are the compulsive troll.
"I just celebrated my 38th anniversary."
A truly married person would have written:
WE just celebrated OUR 38th anniversary.
Words no longer have meaning.
Yes they do, let me show you.
Projection: Go to your wives, guys. Spend less time on the internet. Be better husbands
@Leland: I took it as an admonishment--as a warning not do as he did.
I don't like preachy control freaks.
Perhaps so, chickelit. I'm no where close to having a relationship like his, and I know that because I've been married longer than him. In terms of making, building, and keeping long term relationships, I know which one of us has a success story. Maybe I could provide a tip to a knave like Meade; relationships, like the one I have with my wife, has never been defined by a government or other third party. His acceptance of the tip matters not to my relationship, though I doubt he will understand this.
Pogo: I never said I was a diplomat said...
"Sorry Meade, sell crazy somewhere else. We're all stocked up here."
AprilApple said...
"I don't like preachy control freaks."
Isn't that pretty much what they said to Jesus?
Some of you mock your own purported religiosity.
No you don't. You are a liar, Meade.
You're comparing yourself to Jesus? ugh. You're gross.
You see here what ingrates are like. A ghost whispers in my ear some advice for a compliment, and its object accuses me of preening.
Some people.
As for advice, I agree there are better ways to spend time than on the internet, thank you. I also think those who proffer advice should take it first themselves.
My family relations are just fine, thank you. And none of anyone's business, as I didn't bring them up. My ghostly friend would call their mention an impertinency, and wonder how a person was raised who says such things.
Lastly, it may shock some of my online friends, but I should not be called a "Conservative." I resent labels. My opinions are my own and not what you'd think. I am pleased enough to share thoughts with anyone who is decent. I do not like narrow factionalism. Aside from that, I am open and friendly.
But, as I say, some people do not seem to have been brought up properly, and there is not much to be done about them.
"You're comparing yourself to Jesus?"
No. Read more carefully. The comparison is: the things you said === to: the things that were said to Jesus.
"A ghost whispers in my ear some advice for a compliment, and its object accuses me of preening."
Theo, no one ever read past the second sentence of anything "Sir Archy" pomped and preened.
No matter how much praise we may have given you for you cre-at-iv-it-y, it was all just too long, too tedious, and too boring. Sorry.
Preening, preaching, control freaking, trolling.... Jesus would not approve.
@ TTBurnett As for advice, I agree there are better ways to spend time than on the internet, thank you. I also think those who proffer advice should take it first themselves.
My family relations are just fine, thank you. And none of anyone's business, as I didn't bring them up.
worth a repeat.
I'm being lectured to by a guy who is about to go 0 for 2 in the marriage dept. And what about those estranged children?? Any child advice, lawnboy?
If ever there was a demonstration why you should just stick to Facebook for social media, this is it.
April, His first wife didn't like preachy control freaks either. I love watching the 2 control freaks married @ TOP. To his credit, Meade was trying to get his agoraphobic SECOND wife off her fat ass. They have been seen hiking, biking, paddle boarding. I have watched the vapid videos and looked @ the photos. The sedentary princess resented the push out of her comfort zone and I think she has won that control battle. I've observed these 2 together. She is in charge. He'll be searching for number 3 soon. She won't search again. No one can come close to loving her as she loves herself.
" Any child advice, lawn boy?"
Yes. Stop doxing your own children by, with whatever good intentions, putting up images, quotes, cute anecdotes, videos, etc. ON THE WORLD WIDE WEB.
Wait until they're old enough to give you their consent.
It is silly to complain about length on the internet.
If something is too long, it is the easiest thing in the world not to read it.
Trackpads, mouse wheels, now touchscreens all give you the shortest way possible past any tedium.
And, unless it's an e-book, it's not like you've paid for it.
No, the only reasons to complain about length are malice or stupidity.
We know excessive internet use increases the latter.
But I'm afraid the first seems to be innate, whatever explanation you may have for it.
"With malice towards some and more Amazon charity from y'all"
~ A. Linkin'
Meade is agitated and sputtering jibberish now. Sundays have always been a problem for them. LOL.
There's something fascist about the modern progressive. Rules and laws, laws and rules. Never enough to smother the heathens.
It is a grim scene to see pathology evidence itself on the internet day after day and year after year. Over and over again the same scenario repeats itself like a bad Bill Murray movie.
Most of the people here have turned away from this sad spectacle since the last implosion. They are gearing up for another drunken debacle. It is a pity that the pitiful reminders keep coming back and shouting "LOOK AT ME.....LOOK AT ME!!!!!"
The best thing to do is to turn away and move on to more pleasant things. Wallowing in dung is their avocation and cause for celebration these past few days. Why not leave them to it. There is no need for anyone else to join in.
They will destroy themselves fast enough without any outsiders participation.
ndspinelli - so filled with hate.
The funny thing is that bitter progressives believe that what they write in the comments section of a blog actually matter.
Not a word matters, none of it. They win neither hearts nor minds; all they do is write insults, invective, hatred, and progressive social slogans. They are bereft of reasoning and discourse.
It's cute really, because they seem so assertive in their belief that they matter, when in reality they are merely caricatures of petty bullies.
When the computer is turned off, when other pages, are read, what Meade, Ritmo, and others of similar ilk write is meaningless. Just as meaningless as when it is read.
Well, this is a weird thread. Everyone seems to be having a wonderful time pissing on each other, and some of the snark even has some wit to it. And all in the name of Love! Reason! Wisdom!
There's always some of that in most comment threads chez Meadehouse. But this one is completely over the top.
Isn't it nice how a Celebration of Love! brings us all together? But I don't mean to interrupt all the fun. Have at it, by all means.
Meade said...
*love*
to you, Methadras
I have enough love from people that matter. I don't need it from you. Needless to say, you have, as usual, no response to what I told you. Know why? Truth hurts, dog-walker.
i found the ugliest dog...
Well, I WAS trying to pour a little oil on the water, but you can see how that came out.
It seems some of us are on the Meadehouse Enemies List, and no matter what we write, are the objects of scorn from that quarter.
My own, rather old beef with i althousi has two very specific causes, of which I don't expect anyone to be aware, but simply to remember that I made sport of them (rather badly, I admit) on an old blog. And thus I remain the object of opportunistic insult, even when trying honestly to give one of them his due.
Time may heal some wounds, but the internet, as immortal in its own way as my familiar ghost, is no balm for such injuries.
Methadras said: "Needless to say, you have, as usual, no response to what I told you. Know why? Truth hurts, dog-walker."
What do you mean I had no response? My response was:
*love*
Your response was rejection. And you're right — truth hurts. The truth of your rejection of my response of love to your hate.
It hurts a lot, Methadras.
Someone just emailed me to say that the scabrous cunt linked to this post. It seems in their desperation to bring some heat to their failing site they have to link here to engage many of us who no longer want anything to do with their idiocy.
I guess there are no dogs to rent and a shortage of box wine so they have to find another way to bring meaning to their pathetic lives.
Is it time for another "Bloody Sunday?"
As the two year anniversary date of Lem's Levity approaches, I offer him and those who've added to the Levity present here, my congratulations as well as my hope for their continued success in keeping this blog viable.
Integrity matters.
As does a faithful journey.
Gifts come in odd packages.
Even in twisting
(and out of twisting)
Good arises
From the link
provided fallaciously
Or otherwise at 10:59AM
Comes Ten Prayers
Based on the Ten Ways
Jesus showed Love
To include:
Humor,
Creativity,
Reverence,
Loyalty,
Compassion,
Attentive listening,
Carefrontation,
Generativity,
Celebration
and Forgiveness.
Inspire in us the warm humor and mirthful joy that frees all from anxiety.
Use our creativity for the best purposes.
Give us a deep reverence that frees us from the desire to manipulate others.
Keep us loyal even to those who, like ourselves, aren't perfect.
Deepen our compassion amidst suffering.
Humble us for attentive listening so that others feel valued.
Strengthen us in the courage to confront evil with wise love rather than malice.
Prompt us to lend a helping hand to the needy, and be a generative example to others.
Let us see all lives as your gifts calling us to gratitude and celebration.
Enable us to forgive and make our apologies meaningful.
May all those who add their life energy and resources to the building up of Lem's Levity be so blessed.
"May all those who add their life energy and resources to the building up of Lem's Levity be so blessed."
May it be so.
We traditionalists are dissolving marriages all the time. We are the experts.
May it be so.
Yes and Amen! And may the day come when those who had a hand in the birth and formation of Lem's Levity find it in their hearts to not only link to Lem's, but include it on their Blog Roll in the name of Love!
Thank you, MamaM, for that 4:46 comment. Someone should front page it--maybe on the blog's 2nd anniversary.
For the interested reader, here is Lem's first post and the history of the blog's origins.
I note too that Lem and I got off to a shaky start as evidenced in the comments.
TTBurnett; just remember that Haters going to Hate. What Meade has done in this thread is no surprise, as many noted (Scalia included) that he would do so. This was never about gay marriage, this was about destruction. Minister Meade throws around love like Orwell predicted way back in 1949.
MamaM said...
"May it be so.
Yes and Amen! And may the day come when those who had a hand in the birth and formation of Lem's Levity find it in their hearts to not only link to Lem's, but include it on their Blog Roll in the name of Love!"
MamaM, do you know for a fact that Lem wants to be on "their Blog Roll"? Because I really don't know if he does.
But Lem, if you read this, I thought you might be interested in what seems like an earnest anonymous question
and the professor's earnest personal answer:
Ann Althouse said...
"Prof. Althouse, What do you think of Christians (and Jews and Muslims) whose scriptures say that homosexual conduct is sin? I am such a person, and I sometimes wish I could wish away those verses, but I can't. I'm not someone who "hates," (as the ubiquitous "lovewins" implies) -- I have gay friends and relatives who I love very much -- but someone who is a good faith believer who can't get around the scriptural boundaries I believe God has imposed. Even if I wish He hadn't. Is it fair for others not sharing my Christian faith to label me a bigot and hater? Are they right? I honestly am asking. Is scriptural Christianity now a form of hate speech?"
I think the Old Testament has a lot of sins enumerated. I would read them all, note which ones you violate (like pork-eating or masturbating), and wonder why you should care so much about homosexuality. Maybe dwelling on homosexuality is a sin.
I would read the New Testament, read the Gospels over and over until you internalize the Jesus instinct, and take that to heart. There's something that transcends all the details of the particular rules, even though Jesus didn't say he was overruling the rules.
I think that makes sense even for non-Christians.
6/28/15, 8:02 PM
Pathological.
I think it's hilarious how some Christians are getting themselves hysterical that they are somehow a terribly persecuted minority. Pure BS, they have no idea what's it like to have to constantly pay attention that you don't accidentally hold your partner's hand in the wrong place. Sitting at a restaurant table and wondering if it's safe enough for you both to not have to sit directly across from each other. Making sure you have your medical and other legal power of attorney with you at all times just in case one of you goes to the hospital for any reason - so the doctors won't say "your not their legal spouse nor a blood relative, so you have no right to be in the ICU with them or make a medical decision". Or not be able to claim your loved one's body while the hostile family members do that and not even allow you to attend the funeral.
Churches have been able to deny people getting married in their places of worship for generations for any and all reasons. A Baptist couple can't go to the local catholic parish and demand to be married. There's no issue of equal protection under the law with regards to marriage ceremonies - straight couples are denied all the time.
K in Colorado wrote:
I think it's hilarious how some Christians are getting themselves hysterical that they are somehow a terribly persecuted minority
I would throw that part of your comment to the lions. The rest has merit.
Meade wrote:
MamaM, do you know for a fact that Lem wants to be on "their Blog Roll"? Because I really don't know if he does.
Well, Althouse's name is on the blog's birth certificate (see my 6:35 PM), though I think it had multiple fathers.
Oh. My.
(missed you guys)
(meaning "you all" - guys and gals)
Ditto, Darcy. We (all) have missed you, too.
Where ya been so long?
Meade said...
What do you mean I had no response? My response was:
*love*
Your response was rejection. And you're right — truth hurts. The truth of your rejection of my response of love to your hate.
It hurts a lot, Methadras.
Again with the martyrdom from you. My rejection of your platitude of love is not an example of hate. Just because someone doesn't accept what you want to give them makes them bad or wrong. I don't want your overture of love, dog-walker. I don't need it. I have plenty, but that doesn't mean I hate you for sending it. Get it? It's not all about you and once again, you've mischaracterized, and horribly what hate is. It isn't the rejection of love.
Reading a fascinating book entitled "Vanishing Grace" by Philip Yancey. So relevant to this discussion. I'm not done with it, but the book is about how the view of Christians has changed over the last couple of decades and why. What can we do to change that view when our mission is to bring people to Christ, not drive them away?
I've said it before over at TY, but what I'm really learning is that grace is hard.
The answer IS grace. How do we get there consistently?
Sorry. Just thinking out loud.
I've been living in a small space that I adore atop an old house with a wooden, outside staircase. Yesterday, after having purchased the tiniest bistro table and chairs I could find I invited my downstairs neighbor up to have some wine with me. I knew she had a health issue that prevented her from working, but until yesterday I didn't know what it was. She has MS and a growing mass on her brain that is inoperable. The growth of the mass can only be slowed. She is amazingly upbeat and kind.
I think living like we're dying is something to ponder. And love does win.
Still lovely after all these years.
with amazing grace.
I think living like we're dying is something to ponder. And love does win.
And there's the truth with the grace. We all live to meet death. And love does triumph.
When comments so obnoxious and inappropriate they require deletion by the blog administrator to maintain civility are delivered by the same person trumpeting love and amazing grace, something is off. At that point, truth and grace are not present in balance as they were with Jesus, who was said to be full of both.
I would read the New Testament, read the Gospels over and over until you internalize the Jesus instinct, and take that to heart.
Would you? Then there's no time like the present to start down that path and see what transpires. Hopefully the fruit that results will reflect such integrity and be so full of love and amazing grace that no more deletions will be required.
Amen and may it be forever so.
In the present moment, checking in with the person in charge of making Blog Roll decisions at the Althouse blog to find out if Lem's Levity has ever been offered a place on the Althouse Blog Roll would constitute an amazingly graceful and loving act, in my opinion.
As one who was intentional about internalizing Jesus once said, "Do small things with great love"
MamaM, were you around 2 years ago when Lem launched his blog (then called Comment Home)? Whether or not you were, I encourage you to begin here
and read through the archives and, hopefully, you'll come to understand when and why his blog was taken off her blog roll. I forget exactly how much money I've contributed to supporting Lem's blog over the years. Lem, please feel free to share that personal information of mine with MamaM if you so choose.
I hope this helps you, MamaM.
MamaM, were you around 2 years ago when Lem launched his blog (then called Comment Home)? Whether or not you were, I encourage you to begin here
and read through the archives and, hopefully, you'll come to understand when and why his blog was taken off her blog roll. I forget exactly how much money I've contributed to supporting Lem's blog over the years. Lem, please feel free to share that personal information of mine with MamaM if you so choose.
I hope this helps you, MamaM. June 29, 2015 at 5:40 PM
As an encouragement to personal growth, the instructions for those seeking to internalize Jesus on the matter of giving are located early on in the Gospels, in Matthew 6.
...hopefully, you'll come to understand when and why his blog was taken off her blog roll.
Great deflection, but not helpful as two facts are currently still missing.
During what time frame was Lem's blog (as Comment Home or Lem's Levity) listed on the Althouse Blog Roll? And when was it "taken off"? Since I don't recall seeing it listed there, I'm also clueless as to when it was removed and would appreciate knowing when that cutting of ties occurred.
None of which changes the teachings on forgiveness for those seeking to internalize Jesus and proffer amazing grace and love.
" Great deflection, but not helpful as two facts are currently still missing."
Those fact are not "still missing". They're not even missing. You simply don't have them. That doesn't mean "facts are missing".
"Since I don't recall seeing it listed there, I'm also clueless as to when it was removed and would appreciate knowing when that cutting of ties occurred."
Put your thinking cap on and try harder to remember. Ties have never been cut between Lem and us. We have been in private email correspondence numerous times over the last 2 years and in fact much longer than 2 years.
We are friends of Lem.
Put your thinking cap on and try harder to remember
And there it is!
What I'll do from now on, when I see Lem's Levity missing from the Althouse Blog Roll, is remember this convoluted exchange and ponder on the wonder of friendship and the marvels of forgiveness, as well as the difficulties involved with internalizing Jesus and moving forward in Grace and Truth.
I appreciated the link to the Ten Ways of Jesus. They stand as testimony to what matters most in an enduring amen and forever way.
Let me ask you 3 simple and direct questions, MamaM: Do you really believe being on the Althouse blog roll is important? To Lem? Have you ever heard him express a desire to be on the Althouse blog roll?
Because I have not. And I believe that if Lem wanted to be on the Althouse blog roll, he would email and ask.
Hey Darcy, you still here?
Lots of grooming going on. Looks like some people think it is time to make a move because their rice bowl is starting to show cracks.
Hi Chick! (And Michael and Troop!)
I am still here. Which reminds me of one of my favorite quotes: "Wherever you go, there you are." :)
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