Monday, October 10, 2016

The Fight continues and we are sorting the sheep from the goats.


GOP Sabatoge by Vox Day October 10, 2016

In case it wasn't clear from all the anti-Trump commentary by establishment Republicans over the last week, Mike Cernovich reports that elements inside the Republican Party are engaging in an active anti-Trump sabotage campaign:
Donald Trump’s get out the vote efforts have been sabotaged at every level by the GOP, sources report exclusively to this reporter. Some of the sabotage is obvious and clear, and others is more subtle. Their motivations for sabotage vary from personal and professional jealousy to financial.

The bait-and-switch.

When a Donald Trump volunteer goes to the local GOP office to get out the vote, she’ll be sent out to knock on doors for down ballot candidates in neighborhoods Trump has already won. Would-be volunteers have reported to me that when the showed up at the GOP office, the local office would tell them to campaign for other GOP candidates. When the volunteers told the local office that they wanted to campaign for Trump, they were told to leave.

Other would-be volunteers have told me they’d show up to GOP offices only to find the doors had been locked. Their calls would go unreturned. It was simply impossible to volunteer to get out the vote for Donald Trump.
It's fascinating. I have suspected since the Clinton-Bush campaign that the Republican Party would sometimes rather lose than win, but there is no longer any shadow of a doubt that they are determined to take a fall for Hillary Clinton, just as John McCain did for Obama in 2008.

Can you imagine how well Trump would be doing if he wasn't fighting a) his opponent, b) both mainstream and conservative medias, and c) his own party's establishment?

63 comments:

bagoh20 said...

Sorry, didn't read it all first.

AprilApple said...

I actually listen to Hugh Hewitt.

After Trump won the nomination (and yes - Hugh was against Trump during the primary) Hugh turned around and was 100% in camp Trump. 100% not 99% - 100%.

Hugh was, in fact, Brilliant at defending Trump. Hewitt would often take what should be Trump's arguments and make them better. So much better, that his leftwing guests would often marvel at how Hugh won the argument and say " wow- why can't Trump say it like that." that was awesome."

The GOP sucks at get out the vote - nothing new. but I don't buy a conspiracy.
After the sex pussy grabbing came out, it was the last straw after a really poor debate performance and falling poll numbers.If you think the GOP want Hillary (besides McCain - he does) you are HIGH.
Hugh Hewitt - many many many times was screaming that we cannot elect Hillary.

Most of the panic is from falling polls numbers after a poor debate. Add the sex stuff, and people bail. It's human nature. Nobody wants Hillary except died in the wool Dems and the hack press.

AprilApple said...

Cuckservative Cruz Beckian Never Trumper shenanigans! Fuck you McCain! you coward.

or something.

AprilApple said...

Bigley. Is a real dude. I love it.

Amartel said...

The GOP establishment is siding with Clinton. That's the kiss of death.

AprilApple said...

The GOP want to beat Hillary so they want Trump to drop out.

edutcher said...

None so blind as those who will not see.

Doubtless, they dragged their feet in '80.

What's happened this weekend shows the public is on Trump's side and they reject the phony outrage and defeatism of the Whigs.

Trump did what he needed to do both times out (some people don't get it), but the Beast handed him a reason to go after her this time and he ran with it, ten jumps ahead of them at every turn.

It will be interesting to see how a Trump Administration approaches the '18 elections.

Leland said...

Yes, Troop; the last few days have shown to me that the GOP is dead to me. I knew they were stupid previously, but they have gone to full on moron level. For years, they refused to court the conservative base nor go after the libertarian middle. Now they have decided to pretend to be stalwarts of conservatism, in this case social conservatism as in prudes opposed to abortion (something they laughed at Palin or supporting), but still no interest in being fiscal conservative or libertarian. So Trump comes in as a man willing to admit to a healthy attraction to women; and we have Paul Ryan faking a puritan position. Paul Ryan "I just can't"; well ass hole, two can play that game.

I just can't support the GOP. It's not like they overturned Obamacare, held anyone to account (Koskinen should have been impeached last year), or reined in the Obama budgets (or W's); all promised if they would just gain the majority. McCain and Rubio made sure those things would fail.

edutcher said...

As always, she gets it backwards. They figure they can work with the Beast, so they want Trump out.

Trump is Hercules announcing he'll clean the Augean Stables. That will implicate more than a few Whigs.

You can run, but there's no place to hide now.

Amartel said...

The GOP establishment is siding with Clinton. That's the kiss of death.

I think you've got something there.

If this were Insty, I'd say, "Give that lady a like" .

bagoh20 said...

If you thought Pence could beat Hillary, which I do even at this late point, and you were 80% sure Trump would not, would you want Trump to drop out?

I think it's closer than that, but I think it's better than 50% that Hillary wins at this point. I want her to lose so bad that I would support him dropping out even now for anybody who could win. Of course, many don't think he's likely to lose, and if I believed that, I would definitely not want him out.

Again, it comes down to what is most important: a Hillary loss or a Trump win.

If it was clear through polling that Pence would win and Trump would not, would Trumpers want Trump to drop out? Of course not, because polls that would say that are certainly lying, but in that scenario, a vote for Trump is a vote for Hillary, and the same argument made against non-Trump voters would be reversed. How does it sound?

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Chip Ahoy said...

bagoh20, why are you, a man of solid things, entertaining this "if-then" fantasy that isn't going to happen? Is politics intruding into your hang gliding, or what? [hang glider oxygen discussion]

AprilApple said...

Thank you, Bagoh. Exactly my point.

If Trump is really losing in the polls, and the goal is to make sure Hillary loses, then we should take that remedy. Take that risk.

I actually think the left would FREAK OUT if Trump bowed out gracefully.

Trump cultists don't buy the polls, unless he is winning. I want Hillary to lose and I think the GOP is terrified that Trump is going down in flames. Whatever you think of Ryan or all these supposed failures in the GOP - it doesn't matter. They do not want a Clinton win. She is a horror show.

edutcher said...

bag, Pence couldn't beat anybody by himself and certainly not with Ryan as a running mate, which is what the bushes were floating this week.

And your odds are mostly your wishful thinking.

Last night was a disaster for the Beast and the NeverTrumpers are the only ones who think otherwise. And Ryan and the Whigs do want to see Hillary win because all their deals with the Choom Gang will continue. Trump rocks the boat.

That's why you and the Bluebird of Happiness hate him. He will kick over the tables and chase the moneychangers from the temple.

And I, for one, don't buy the polls, regardless. It's nice to hear the favorable ones, but most of the polls are flaky, you know you can't trust anything.

Anywho, the idea Pence could win could be as easily staged as the idea Little Marco could or Frumpty (Lord knows, I've put up Ned Silver's memo enough times, but the people who think Ryan wants to buck the system (there's a laugh, he couldn't even beat Biden in a debate) refuse to see what's staring them in the face). Pence helps Trump, but he's not a headliner any more than either of the Mambo Kings.

But it's nice to see the bluebird of Happiness lives in the same fairy land as Frumpty, complete with pink elephants supplied by Dewar's.

AprilApple said...

Wanting Hillary to lose, (which is the only thing I care about) and having an opinion about how to get there that differs from Trump-Cult delusion doesn't make anyone a Clinton supporter.

Amartel said...

It's too late for Trump to drop out. People have already voted. Even if the electoral college translates those votes to Pence there would be howling about disenfranchisement, lawsuits, ending in the inevitable expensively litigated and obscurely predicated but judicially mandated Democrat win. Trump won the Republican primary, evidently with the approval and to the relief of that shitbird Podesta, but it was a win. He wasn't my candidate either but that contest is over. Now my only recourse is to make those assholes in the media who promoted him eat their words. Unsalted. They meddled in our primary for ratings and larfs. The MFM already games politics in general, including the general election, fucks about with the debates (little lord Furstenburg and Raddled Hatchet Job were par for the biased course last night) and the polling and the narrative. There are signs that people are starting to wake up to the fact that the moneyed interests of the global "elite" are presuming to direct their vote. Too late? Who knows. The big glorious tax documents reveal was a big nothing. This latest vulgarity that's been dredged up is nothing new though you wouldn't know that from the hushed, solemn, ominous tones on NPR and PBS this weekend. When you hear the actual words that were spoken, it's quite tame compared to what passes for usual conversation on tv these days. (It IS ironic that the only person to actually suffer as a result was a Bush. Silly Billy Bush is being thrown under the bus for ... being present at the scene of rudeness. Nobody cares.) Let the media continue to show themselves as the fascist cronies they are and accept the fall out.

Rabel said...

"Trump won the Republican primary, evidently with the approval and to the relief of that shitbird Podesta, but it was a win."

Just to clear that up, the "Podesta email" that the neverTrumpers are citing with delight was sent unsolicited from a Bernie supporting journalist to Podesta. Podesta might have shared the opinion but I haven't seen evidence of such.

The headlines at the usual sites are misleading. Deliberately.

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edutcher said...

No, the Bluebird of Happiness long ago put seeing Trump lose far ahead of seeing Frumpty lose.

For those interested, if only for the comedic value, here is where they get the idea Pence would somehow fare better as top of the ticket.

Ben Smith (Politico, CNBC) floats the nonsensical notion that Hillary wants to keep Trump at the top because he would be easier to beat. In fact (are you ready?), Smith wants us to believe she held back on a "kill shot" and that The Donald "survived" last night.

He also floats the fiction Frumpty leads in OH. Suuure she is. I see more Trump signs all the time and this is the place where you'd expect to see Frumpty signs.

If this is the science fiction they believe, spoon-fed by the Lefty media they say they distrust, you can bet that bridge in Brooklyn will look mighty tempting at that bargain price.

Evi L. Bloggerlady said...

What these cowardly craven fucknuts like Ryan don't get is they hurt themselves more by battling Trump than they do Clinton. When Clinton got impeached the Democrats supported him 100%. Because it was in their political interest at the time to support him 100% (he was obviously guilty as sin).

Trump (so far) has been caught saying creepy jackhole things. So what? You can continue to oppose Hillary Clinton without having to endorse what Trump said 11 years ago. Ryan and the GOPe running for the hills will find they will end up hurting themselves by their cowardice. A jackhole who fights you can live with, but no one trusts a coward.

Evi L. Bloggerlady said...

I don't know if Trump wins now (he is running out of time), but I know the best strategy is to fight to win and for the GOP to go on the attack against Hillary.

Trooper York said...

April you are just flat out lying. I don't believe for a minute that you would vote for Trump over Hillary. From day one you have been Anti-Trump. Every thing he has said and done has been wrong in your book. You have trolled Nevertrump and Hillary talking points and spin non stop since this election started. You are about as Anti-Hillary as Paul Ryan. As Jeb Bush. As Hugh Hewitt whose picture you will find in the dictionary under the word cuckservative.

To this day you push the blood libel the Trump is only in this election to give the Presidency to Hillary. The millions of dollars and the effort and the personal attacks he had to endure mean nothing. Only your bullshit.

You say you are not a member of a cult of personality. People like ed and I know Trump has many flaws. I have always said he was a douchebag. But he is our douchebag. He is a loudmouth crude vulgarian New Yorker. But he is standing up for the people. The Deplorables who people like Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell and Hugh Hewitt and all the rest of the conservative establishment have sold down the river. Time and again.

This is a seminal election. It is the last lap. The final days. The time to debate style and ways of doing things that conform to the rules of the establishment Kabuki Washington Generals dance is over. It is war to the knife.

It is time to stand and be counted. You have already been counted. You are on the other side.

Evi L. Bloggerlady said...

I agree with ed that Hillary was hurt bad last night. But we will have to wait a few days to see the impact in the polls. I do not sense that impact alone will be enough to swing things in Donald's favor. He will need way more than last night (which is possible).

But he definitely helped himself last night.

Trooper York said...

They are not just cowards Evi. They are traitors. Not to Trump who is only a symbol. But to the people he represents. The millions upon millions who voted for him. Who gave him the nomination fair and square. These are the people that April and Hugh Hewitt and the rest of the cucks want to disenfranchise by ripping the nomination away from Trump to give it to some supplicant to the Dupoply to which they serve.

Hillary calls us deplorables. Obama calls us old white people addicted to our guns and our religion. The media calls us racists and Islamaphobes and sexists and every other kind of bullshit they can think up. Williamson and the NRO and Weekly Standard want us to die and our communities to disappear.

Well we will not be going away. We used to be the Tea Party. Then we became Trumpists. If he loses to fraud and cowardice and some trickery such as the electors not voted as they should all bets will be off.

Sixty Grit said...

Pussy.

Trooper York said...

Kill Kill!

Leland said...

This:

You can continue to oppose Hillary Clinton without having to endorse what Trump said 11 years ago.

And I'm not just hearing the opposition to Clinton other than, "yeah she's bad, but Trump!" She's bad.

Period.

Remember W's police record for drunken driving. W's daughters caught with illegal drugs (no mention of Al Gore's drug use or that of his children). The comments about Sarah Palin, which were not defended by the GOP. The playbook is nothing new from the DNC. To act like it is because Trump! is simply stupid. Trump just happens to be the nominee this time. And if the GOP doesn't like it; well welcome to the world of your former base when they were handed McCain. It didn't go well for us either, but at least we were willing to show up and vote.

rcocean said...

I knew they were cucks but I never realized what traitorous scum Goldberg, Erickson, Megan Kelly, Red state, (not to mention McCain, Ryan and Romney) were until this election.

I've been cynical about the RINOs for years, but to sabotage the Republican Nominee in October when he's fighting against Hillary. Even I didn't think they were this low. This are the same kind of asshole Republicans who turned California over to Boxer, Brown, and Feinstein.

If Trump loses, this isn't the end of the Republican civil war, its just the beginning.

edutcher said...

If the Bluebird of Happiness thinks Ryan is for real and that Trump is working with the Ozark Mafia, this will make her head explode.

Ryan and Willie cozying up together - 5 years ago.

If you're paranoid, you might think Ryan is in league with the bad guys.

ricpic said...

The Republicans have all - with the exception of Trump - bought into the taboo against calling Bill Clinton a serial rapist and Hillary Clinton the muscle that silences his already traumatized victims. That's what made last night's debate so big. Not just that Trump may have staved off his own demise. Much more important that the taboo was broken. The thugs on the Left will of course continue being thugs, but there will now be counter fire. Real, not counterfeit bullets. And the Clintons and their minions now know it. Trump will either win and reshape the GOP into a FIGHTING party, or lose, followed by the collapse of the GOP. Why? The base will no longer put up with the no response squishes.

bagoh20 said...

The reason I explore these what if's is because I want to learn something and ask people to explore their thinking and their assumptions, their biases, and principles. I don't come here to vent, or call people names, or play cheerleader. Does anyone really feel there is a shortage of that in here where I need to help. I'm not gonna be much good at it. Just not my thing.

OK, here is the best I can muster just to fit in: Get off my lawn you ungrateful little hippy bastards. I hope that helps.

bagoh20 said...

If it's not too scary to think about, I still wonder: Would you want Trump to drop out if it was the only way to beat Hillary? What if it meant voting for a cuckservative? Would you be all supportive and refuse to criticize that candidate as you expect from non-Trump enthusiasts now?

ricpic said...

But you know very well that a cuckservative would lie down and plead with Hillary to walk all over him. So it's surreal to ask if we would agree to Trump's dropping out as the only way to beat Hillary. The only way to beat Hillary is to beat Hillary with the FIGHTER we have.

AprilApple said...

lol Bags. You know the answer. Trump cultists would never vote for a cuck. But we are labeled by Trump-cultists as "cucks" if we agree to vote for Trump, but we don't worship him with enough delusional gusto.

That check box is not enough, Bags, you gotta give Trump your heart.

If Hillary wins, it's over folks. "Burn it down" wins. She will flood the nation with so many illegals who vote, the GOP will be dead. (hey cool! right?!)


This is what the Trump-is-god cultists do not get. The GOP wants to ditch Trump as an act of self-preservation. The want Hillary to LOSE. The GOP dies if Hillary wins. It's over forever.

Trump - his debate performance tells us he wants Hillary to win. Look at him standing there like an old scary guy with a scowl on his puss.,. that's a guy who doesn't give a shit.

AprilApple said...

Fighter - lol. Where?

chickelit said...

If Trump wins, Pence wins.

Do I have to spell that out?

chickelit said...

I actually think the left would FREAK OUT if Trump bowed out gracefully.

Trump bowing out at this point is delusional, April. The only reason I can see why you keep saying it is that it would make you look prescient. That's utterly selfish.

bagoh20 said...

If he loses we all lose. That's spelling too.

I don't understand something, and maybe someone can explain it for me. Why are you Trumpers so absolutely terrified to say or hear any dissenting opinion in here, not to mention outside. Do you imagine this is the NY Times or something where millions of people might hear you and decide not to vote for Trump? What's so emotionally affronting to you guys about any opinion beyond worship and support for a man you don't even know. It's as if a witch walked in during the sermon if anyone disagrees in any way with The Donald in here.

chickelit said...

Dissent away, Bags. Just riddle me why Trump dropping out right now makes any sense. There is no electoral mechanism for replacing his name on the ballot. And, as I said, a Trump win is a Pence win.

chickelit said...

Pence is te compromise that the GOPe should live with and get behind. Not some scorned Bush.

William said...

I'll vote for Trump, but I can't recall any candidate for whom I harbored more reservations. I enjoyed the way he put it to Hillary at the last debate. It was intensely gratifying, but I don't think it will win the election. If he can't quite win over Ryan, how do you think he's doing with independent women.

chickelit said...

If he can't quite win over Ryan, how do you think he's doing with independent women.

I suspect that Hillary is doing as poorly with independent men as Trump is doing with independent women. Lots and lots of electoral cancellation is occurring this time.

bagoh20 said...

"Just riddle me why Trump dropping out right now makes any sense."

I have no idea if it does or not. My questions were not about that. It was about how you guys think. They were sincere, and I think worth thinking about. Dare to answer? Anybody?

Sixty Grit said...

Bag wrote " Why are you Trumpers so absolutely terrified to say or hear any dissenting opinion in here, not to mention outside"

False premise. Would you mind restating that in a form that reflects the reality of constant Trump bashing, including from many of us here and "outside" as you so moronically put it?

rcommal said...

It was simply impossible to volunteer to get out the vote for Donald Trump.

Simply, by definition, this is bullshit.

No one, and by no one, I mean *no one*, can ever--and by ever, I mean *ever*--claim that it's impossible--wtf? *impossible*?--to voluntarily go out and work hard to get out the vote for his or her preferred candidate.

What that sort of whiner was saying is something akin to this: "It is impossible for me to just go out there and on my own advocate for my beliefs without the imprimatur of an official community which will provide me with a strong sense of belonging and bolster my sense of leaving other people out of it".

More quickly put: Lame.

rcommal said...

What's changed, Trooper, since--what---a decade-so ago?

rcommal said...

@edutcher:

None so blind as those who will not see.

Doubtless, they dragged their feet in '80.


Without doubt you must be right and well you might be.

edutcher said...

Someone said Fighter, where?

Ask Little Marco and the One True Ted.

They couldn't even win by cheating.

William said...

In an email revealed by Wikileaks, Hillary said that it was impossible to properly vet the Syrian refugees. I heard this on Fox News. So far as I know, it wasn't reported by the other news. If it was, they downplayed it. Hillary is a godawful liar, and the media covers for her.........I think Trump's sins are venial compared to those of Hillary and the media. I'd feel better about Trump if he were dumping on Hillary and the media rather than Ryan. Ryan, McCain, and Jeb Bush are not the enemy.

AprilApple said...

Bagoh - they cannot and will not answer your questions. Not a surprise.

Delusion, koolaid, blind faith, and thin skin.

Trump hit his ceiling in the electorate and it's about 40%. The only way out now is to drop him. It's not too late.

William - that's just it. Trump isn't at war with Hillary, he's at war with himself and the GOP, and a fat chick, and a gold star guy, and...

AprilApple said...

The media are dutifully dragging their corrupt princess with the D across the finish line. We knew this would happen. Too bad our candidate isn't strong enough to handle it. We were promised - this outsider would really be great at handling the biased leftwing hack press.

AprilApple said...

Rubio and/or Cruz would be beating Hillary. It's that simple. Name call all you want, loser.

Trump is going to lose, and it will not be a surprise to me, or to anyone with half a brain. Liberal Trump is a fraud - he's going to lose to his old pal, conspiracy or not - because he's a shitty shitty candidate.

AprilApple said...

The Second Debate Proved That We All Now Live on Different Partisan Planets
by John Ziegler |

So, did you hear? Donald Trump won the second debate. It was YUGE. Rush Limbaugh told me so.

Unless he lost. Badly.

Or maybe it was basically a tie.

I have written a lot about what I perceive to be the most insidious effect (of many) that the modern fragmented media has had on our culture and politics. I even predicted/diagnosed that this phenomenon would lead to Donald Trump’s nomination and Hillary Clinton’s election.

However, I have never witnessed a political event where America was more divided about what they thought they saw than last night’s second presidential debate. This was the equivalent to the racially divergent reaction to the O.J. Simpson trial (this entire election cycle feels more and more like that entire nightmare all the time).

AprilApple said...

" “Conservatives” (or whatever you call non-Democrats in the age of Trump) are absolutely certain that their false God had, like Lazarus, risen from a death, prematurely declared by the clueless/biased media elites, and finally exposed the Clintons as the corrupt liars that they are. To them, he got past the “irrelevant” stuff about him having bragged about sexual assault on tape and then crushed her on the substance of all the issues that real Americans truly care about. His pre-debate stunt with Clinton sex abuse accusers was both brilliant as well as a cathartic payback for them having largely gotten away with horrible behavior in the distant past.

To his fans, Trump is now back in the race and headed for victory! Just ask Breitbart (though, how do you make a “comeback” when you were supposedly never behind to begin with?). Hell, according to Trump pal Alex Jones, Hillary revealed herself to literally be a demon! Who smells really bad. Just like Obama. Seriously.

For those who are Democrats, the view, to say the least, was vastly different. "

AprilApple said...

"They are SURE they saw Hillary Clinton stay classy and brave amidst the onslaught of a sniffling crazy man who was physically stalking her while attacking with lie after lie generated by the anti-Clinton right-wing media hate machine. They perceived Trump as a pathetic man unwilling to take responsibility for his bragging about getting away with sexual assault, while lamely claiming that a very public TV interview where he knew he was wearing a microphone was somehow nothing but “locker room” bravado (and that the Republican Party’s standard for its presidential nominee is now apparently lower than the Today Show’s is for Billy Bush!).

To liberals, while they don’t love Hillary, it is complete insanity that anyone would ever even consider voting for a lunatic like Trump. They think that Republican Party under Trump has truly become the embodiment of every negative stereotype with which the liberal media has brainwashed them for over a generation. They now feel vindicated for their illogical hatred of people like Mitt Romney and John McCain because, “See, we just knew what those Republicans were REALLY like all along.” "

AprilApple said...

" As for me and others in the bizarro world situation of being long-time conservative Clinton critic who also realize that Trump is an unqualified liberal fraud, we saw something very different from either of those two very divergent groups.

I perceived a Donald Trump who, like a wounded animal, knows he is going down to defeat without a miracle and, fueled by rage, no longer fears any repercussions for anything he says or does. As Janis Joplin once famously sang, “Freedom’s just another word for nothing left to lose.”

The goals for Trump were, assuming there is still any rationality at play here, not victory, but rather blind vengeance and an insecure desire to have his bruised ego soothed by the self-serving cheers of the “conservative” media and their millions of lemmings/customers. He achieved both of those objectives, while also keeping the dream of “Trump TV” alive (though it will have to be a subscription model to have any real chance to succeed). "

AprilApple said...

" As I have said consistently and without equivocation for over a year, Trump, barring a catastrophic event, is not going to win this election. The only real question seems to be how large will the defeat be, and whether he will hand Hillary not only the White House, but also both houses of Congress, or just one.

As for Hillary herself, she once again showed how deeply flawed a candidate she really is. While steady under fire (flak more real than what she supposedly faced in Bosnia) she was unable to take advantage of numerous opportunities to humanize herself. She remained cold, calculating, scripted, overly safety conscious and mostly unlikeable (ironically, her ability to withstand Trump’s rudeness in these debates might be revealing her most appealing quality). She will be an unloved and, at best, mediocre president who, if the Republicans were not badly infected by the Trump virus, would be fairly easily beaten in four years. "

AprilApple said...

" A diversity of opinions is obviously necessary in a democratic republic, however we are now FAR beyond that stage of development. We are now living in separate self-segregated worlds with our own realities which we can reinforce with our own well-designed media bubble where no contrary information can penetrate to ever make us feel uncomfortable.

Forget about this ever being a truly unified country again. I don’t care if we strongly disagree about what our communal “book” means, but we ought to at least be able to somewhat come to an understanding on what the words on the pages are. Last night proved, at least in the era of Trump and Clinton, that is simply, sadly, impossible. "

AprilApple said...

The Second Debate Proved That We All Now Live on Different Partisan Planets

Dad Bones said...

It's going to be Trump or Clinton but I'm not as smart as Ziegler so I don't know which. Those who are convinced Trump will lose should find a bookie and make some easy money.

William said...

Events may overtake either Clinton or Trump. The revelations from Wikileaks are increasing, and my bet is that they'll release something especially juicy a few days out. Of course, they've already released a lot of damaging stuff, and it doesn't seem to register. I'm pretty sure the media will find some model to claim that Trump copped a feel in his limo and that this constitutes sexual assault. Schneiderman will have him arrested.......I don't see how Trump can win this election, but I don't understand how he won the primary either.

AprilApple said...

Trump needs to shut up and let this wikileaks stuff gain momentum. will he?

AprilApple said...

@ William

I don't see how Trump can win this election, but I don't understand how he won the primary either.

I know Trump has real fanz and real support among them. But I don't get his primary win either? Just as Hillary stole it from Bernie - I think the DNC-MSM meddling had a hand in this entire Trump fiasco. It's just too good to be true for her.