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This is what happens when a bunch of grown men lap up being scolded and lessoned and tempted and teased for years. When the dam breaks, it's Johnstown all over again. What pent-up rage. Just admit you were willing participants and it was not all Althouse's fault, and move the fuck on.
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I only know two rules:
1)Don't talk about the fight club
6)There is no rule six.
Ha. Deborah gets on board with the beta male theory.
More politics and cultural commentary. Less Althouse.
deborah, you're blaming angry commenters for the trainwreck below... but seems to me that one commenter, and one commenter alone, is reponsible for kindling that anger (IMO, much of it justified).
Seems to me everyone here is ready to move the fuck on. But one troll keeps making that impossible.
Mayhaps you'll assist Mister Lem in blocking one ISP so that Happy Valley will be once more happy?
If we can do that while showing a little decent respect for one another.
Meade is smrt!
My brother-in-law sued his sisters over a piece of land. Now they won't talk to him or his wife anymore.
And he's shocked, actually shocked.
I swear I don't understand anything.
Look at those bars and numbers and thingies. Detroit, right?
I work alone, Meade. Piss off.
And as yashu notes, you are not welcome here in your present incarnation as fatuous pest. Christ.
Pretty much the same thing - damage inflicted by the occupants who are dependent on money taken by threat of force from others by the state. Leeches.
More politics and cultural commentary. Less Althouse
Agree. And ignore Mr. Meade. He seems hellbent on some sort of hidden agenda. (Or not so hidden)
Starve the beast(s)!
Haz, wouldn't blocking an ISP in Madison blanket a lot of people? Besides, there are plenty of ways to get around a ban.
All's that's needed is for Lem to delete Meade, until he calms down, and anyone who responds to him.
6)There is no rule six.
RIGHT BRUCE!
Pogo, if I may, you mentioned this story before...the gals couldn't buy him out?
Deb: "Just admit you were willing participants and it was not all Althouse's fault"
Idiot. Most of them already have. Althouse has not. Meade has not.
I asked Meade downpage 3 times if they feel they bear any fault for what went down. Meade's answer? Evasive weaselwords and crickets.
you are not welcome here in your present incarnation as fatuous pest.
As much as it pains me to say:
DON'T FEED THE TROLLS
PS As that contributors lists gets longer we'll be all too many chiefs and not enough Indians.
Allen, If that offended you I apologize.
Sixty Grit said...
"Meade is smrt!"
Sexty Girt, here's what you need to do with that graph: look over at the left axis. See the 1 million mark? Now, keep your eye on that as you click previous years.
See the trend? It's summertime. The Supreme Court decisions are over. Trust me - Althouse is not worried about loosing your sixty page views.
"Most of them already have."
I guess that explains El Pollo Raylan and Pastafarian's posts immediately preceding this one, and the numerous comments they've received.
When the dam breaks, it's Johnstown all over again.
Funny you say that. I got a phone txt @10:18...
Flash Flood Warning this area till 12:15 am EDT. Avoid flood areas. Check local media. - NWS
"I work alone, Meade. Piss off."
No you don't. You are part of a group project. Hey, why not form a union? You could collectively bargain. Go on strike. Sing solidarity songs in unison.
I agree with the Don't Feed the Trolls rule.
I also don't mind rotating commentators. I have a list of people I'd like to see be invited to add a post. I'd ask edutcher if he wanted to try to fashion a post on any topic he'd like.
Loosing? Jesus, get your cunt wife to proof your shit before you post it, you dumb motherfucker.
And thanks for proving that you are illiterate as well as innumerate.
Now please resume beating that bleached blonde whore you are "married" to.
We thank you for your service.
Well I just looked at Site Meter for July:
July 2011 about 1.45 million
July 2012 about 1.5 million
July 2013 about 950K.
Who knew the Supreme Court worked summers in 2012 and 2011?
OK, you won.
You are winners; we are losers.
So why keep punching down?
deborah said...
"Haz, wouldn't blocking an ISP in Madison blanket a lot of people? Besides, there are plenty of ways to get around a ban.
All's that's needed is for Lem to delete Meade, until he calms down, and anyone who responds to him."
Lem is not going to delete me. And you have no way of banning me. You want me to stop coming around? Stop mentioning our names in your posts. Simple as that.
@Deborah
The state of Wisconsin has some odd rules about family-owned property. It was owned by 3 families, progeny of 3 brothers. If one wanted out, they could force all of them to divest and sell at auction.
He wanted his slice of a trust of land which wasn't really divided into slices, but they gave it to him, or else risk losing all of it to the vagaries of some judge.
I'm no lawyer, but their lawyers said they faced losing big if they didn't give in.
Anyway, it was ugly. Now they ain't talking to him at all.
I'm just surprised that he is actually surprised they shunned him.
I swear to God I don't understand people at all.
Evi L. Bloggerlady said...
"Well I just looked at Site Meter for July:
July 2011 about 1.45 million
July 2012 about 1.5 million
July 2013 about 950K. "
How many days left in July?
Was it a nice print Lem?
Meade, I went back one year and two year, they take the average from the mid month point when you do that to you are comparing similar time periods. I just read it off site meter.
Me too, Lem. Try to buy one from him now. My advice: Pay C.O.D.
I asked in email and on the comments of a previous thread: please stop.
deborah said...
"Haz, wouldn't blocking an ISP in Madison blanket a lot of people? Besides, there are plenty of ways to get around a ban.
All's that's needed is for Lem to delete Meade, until he calms down, and anyone who responds to him."
Lem is not going to delete me. And you have no way of banning me. You want me to stop coming around? Stop mentioning our names in your posts. Simple as that.
You want me to stop coming around? Stop mentioning our names in your posts. Simple as that.
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Sweeeeeeet!!!
deborah said...
"Haz, wouldn't blocking an ISP in Madison blanket a lot of people? Besides, there are plenty of ways to get around a ban.
All's that's needed is for Lem to delete Meade, until he calms down, and anyone who responds to him."
Lem is not going to delete me. And you have no way of banning me. You want me to stop coming around? Stop mentioning our names in your posts. Simple as that.
madawaskan said...
You want me to stop coming around? Stop mentioning our names in your posts. Simple as that.
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"Sweeeeeeet!!!"
Finally. One person gets a clue.
Meade: "You want me to stop coming around? Stop mentioning our names in your posts. Simple as that."
Anything else we're not *allowed* to mention? Can we say "Valenti" or "Marcotte" without the threat of you flinging your poo everywhere?
Meade: "Nice blog ya have there, Lem. Be a shame if you talked about stuff Althouse doesn't want discussed"
Hey, maybe you and Ann can come up with a list of approved topics?
Meade said:
Trust me - Althouse is not worried about loosing your sixty page views.
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Mother of Gaia--you are going to get spanked for that one.
No one is hindering that but Althouse and Meade.
Unless you are weak-minded, how can Althouse and Meade hinder you from moving on?
If you respond you're a fool. If you respond and blame him, you're an unbelievable fool.
I put the comment on the other thread but it seems like I didn't delete it fast enough.
As I was reading the Vortex thread this song came on. It seemed to fit.
I for one, enjoy seeing a late 50s lawnmower throw temper tantrums on the internet.
The Palladian attacks are out of line on the other hand.
The next phase in the grieving process will be the "No more posts about no more posting about Althouse" posts.
We can title these posts The Revenge.
Meade: "Trust me - Althouse is not worried about loosing your sixty page views."
Sure. Thats why you're over here trying to disrupt this blog.
Do you have any idea how pathetic and stupid you make Ann look? Have some class. Go home.
my comment about buying a palladian print.
That's why you're there and we're here, you see.
Sure. Thats why you're over here trying to disrupt this blog.
You don't get it.
Maybe if you put a space in the middle of the name, they won't notice it.
"You want me to stop coming around? Stop mentioning our names in your posts. Simple as that."
That't just crazy enough to work.
And when I said delete you (when you're being a dick, and those who respond to you, I meant delete the individual comments. AND it would follow that anyone that makes unprovoked posts at your expenses, would have those posts deleted, also.
Why don't you and Lem hammer something out? I'm happy to post with you after all of this blows over.
On the other hand, I think a lot of people get off on the wild west vibe. What do we want this place to be, people?
And finally, many are unhappy about a lack of explanation/apology from Althouse for her semen and scrunched up faces remarks. Would she be willing to say something briefly? She did have an extremely loyal following.
Maybe this video will help each side through the process.
I always forget the stages of grief.
Doesn't one involve carburetors? Appliances? Bangalore?
Shit.
Maybe I'm mixing things up.
Thanks, Pogo. I'm glad they didn't lose all the land.
The Seven Stages of Crap...
If you respond you're a fool. If you respond and blame him, you're an unbelievable fool.
phx, you're right that, in a sense, it's easy enough to deal with a troll: you just ignore it. And I endorse that policy now and going forward.
The problem is, tonight, that troll escalated to "Mary" level: personally attacking one of us here in a really despicable way (someone who has not done or said anything to provoke it). It's difficult to just sit back and watch that happen without intervening or getting upset.
Nevertheless, you're correct that generally speaking the best course of action is to not give the troll what he wants, attention and reaction and control over the conversation.
Let it pass unmentioned, like a fart at a party.
Yeah, at least they kept most of what their fathers left them, but they lost a brother, even if he was a dick sometimes.
I truly couldn't conceive of family screwing family, well, not that family. They seemed so sane. Then KABLOOEY, like this issue.
Makes me sad, but then I'm prone to the maudlin.
They'll forgive one day, I hope. Hating a sibling is an awful feeling.
Meade,
Lem is not going to delete me.
We know - you think you've bought him off.
Hey Lem, I'll join your commenting group, but not to post - I can do that at TMR - but only to delete Meade's posts. That'll be my job. Then we'll be happy, you'll be off the hook, you'll still have their money, and your integrity.
I'm all about "solutions" as I keep hearing on NPR,...
@Deborah
I think so. Everyone feels bad, and no one is happy about it.
But he really needs to do some fence-mending and yet he's a little thick in that area. Seems to believe that 'tomorrow is another day' means the past is forgotten.
Right now there's still a little rage amongst the sisters, so I just pray for them, weak as I am.
Meade,
Lem is not going to delete me. And you have no way of banning me. You want me to stop coming around? Stop mentioning our names in your posts. Simple as that.
Ann and Meade are like the old South Africa, insisting "We must maintain control!" while never controlling themselves.
That didn't work out too well.
And deb, you too might as well give it up:
We're adults and what we talk about is up to us.
Pogo, I wish you all well :)
"Major League Baseball player Ryan Braun has been suspended without pay for the rest of the 2013 season for violating the league's drug policy, Commissioner Bud Selig announced Monday."
CNN
Ryan Braun's next step will be to dump Sheryl Crow while she has cancer.
This might lighten the mood a little bit!
phx,
How can Althouse and Meade hinder you from moving on?
How can they direct our conversations either? And why should we move on? Ann's a public figure to us - what makes her beyond reproach? We can discuss George Zimmerman but not Ann - merely because Meade says so? Or what?
He CAN be blocked. As I said, all it takes is someone (or a group of someones) with the determination to do it.
This idea they'll be able to screw over people who've supported them - by participating and financially - and do it in a vacuum is ridiculous. Exposure is what they're afraid of.
I mean, I've been reading Ann for years now, but never saw that Reason article, where she flipped out, until now. Or the other ones. They've changed everything, throwing her present actions into an entirely new light. She's now a CONFIRMED FRUITCAKE.
And - since that's a new revelation - why can't we discuss it in light of recent events?
You guys have really got to stop trying to put a bridle on this horse:
We're commenters who kick.
Word from the Brewer's locker room is that the other players told him to go fuck himself. They bought into his lies and feel used and angry.
Crack:
"And deb, you too might as well give it up:
We're adults and what we talk about is up to us."
Got it.
We're commenters who kick.
Yes, I remember you and what you stand for.
deborah,
I think a lot of people get off on the wild west vibe. What do we want this place to be, people?
Someplace that's not too pastel to be agreeable.
And finally, many are unhappy about a lack of explanation/apology from Althouse for her semen and scrunched up faces remarks. Would she be willing to say something briefly? She did have an extremely loyal following.
See? It will ALWAYS come down to Ann's bitchiness because that's the major issue,...
Michael Haz,
Ryan Braun's next step will be to dump Sheryl Crow while she has cancer.
Why he'd want to be with a loon, who thinks everyone else should be limited to a single square of toilet paper, I don't know.
But then, I used to wonder what Meade saw in Ann, too,..
Crack - Did the joke get past you like a high inside fastball?
Meade: You want me to stop coming around? Stop mentioning our names in your posts. Simple as that.
I guess Meade and Ann have some sort of a modified Bat Phone...or maybe a Meadehouse phone where it blares out a kalxion horn when their names are mentioned in the interwebs. OMG. No one ever say their names. The horn must be keeping all the neighbors up and upsetting the rented dogs.
I'm warning you!
Michael Haz,
Crack - Did the joke get past you like a high inside fastball?
I think it did, Boobala. I took another look and thought, "John Edwards?"
Help!
Ooooh, Bagoh, you're gooood,...
Dust Bunny Queen,
I guess Meade and Ann have some sort of a modified Bat Phone...or maybe a Meadehouse phone where it blares out a kalxion horn when their names are mentioned in the interwebs.
Yeah, Ann's mentioned it before. Her computer "pings" when she appears somewhere.
I say we keep them up all night with "pings"...
Lem, If I were to submit a post that basically says: "
Althouse & Meade - allude allude
Althouse & Meade - allude allude
Althouse & Meade - allude allude
Althouse & Meade - allude allude
Althouse & Meade - allude allude
Will you post it?
I worked really hard on it, but I'll understand if you think it's not good enough.
I just feel it needs said and discussed a little.
Crack:
"Someplace that's not too pastel to be agreeable."
No shit, Sherlock.
"See? It will ALWAYS come down to Ann's bitchiness because that's the major issue,..."
Yes, but she has seen a consequence. It doesn't have to be a long, drawn-out mea culpa, or 'you did it too.'
Simply, something like, 'I got carried away with my feelings and said crude and cruel things to people who have liked me and have helped me build my platform. I'm very sorry for my part in it all. But please remember in this world of devious women on the make for the gravy train, please be sure and properly dispose of your used condoms and make her spit it out or swallow.'
" I'm very sorry for my part in it all. But please remember in this world of devious women on the make for the gravy train, please be sure and properly dispose of your used condoms and make her spit it out or swallow.'".
Ell Pollo Raylan, Lets fire up that Chirbit!
@ Bagho
Perhaps set to the tune of Alouette
I'm not talented enough but I bet someone could put Althouse and Meade to that tune.
:-)
The klaxion horn just went Ah-oogaaah
Meade and Ann: It is like Candyman...
My lead-based paint theory is looking better every day.
Okay, I know I should have said I wanted posting privileges, bad me.
But this is funny and someone should post it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkHs7Wl_BNY
I hope this isn't the part of the movie where we smash the window with a garbage can and then burn the place down.
"The klaxion horn just went Ah-oogaaah"
It's on vibrate.
@ Deborah
Simply, something like, .....whatever
How about just leave all the rest of us the fuck alone and keep minding their own business. The thread where there is an absence of Meade are nice, interesting, informative and cordial. Is there a common element. Lack of Meade?????
I know you are trying to be a mediator and I appreciate the effort, but sometimes you just have to recognize that the drains are too stopped up and that weenie liquid plumber isn't going to get it and we have to bring in the big roto rooter to clean out the crap.
I don't give a rat's ass about Althouse and Meade (ah-oooogah!! hope it doesn't disturb the neighbors.) and would rather not ever discuss them again. I have zero interest in what she/he is posting or anything else about them. But they/he keeps coming into this blog and stirring the shit.
Talk about toxic personalities.
Deborah ...just to be clear, when you said:
...many are unhappy about a lack of explanation/apology from XXXXXXXX for her semen and scrunched up faces remarks...
I considered the source. I skipped most of the "beta male" and "losers" posts ... for the same reasons. You can't debate stupid.
DBQ, got it.
deborah,
She has seen a consequence.
Oh bullshit. A consequence is never one the perp orchestrates - they don't decide their own punishment.
And really - TOP paying Lem, with money received from this group through Amazon (at no cost to yourselves, remember?) is the consequence she "suffered" after going batshit on everybody? Really?
it should be a crazy eye-roll whenever her name is mentioned, like Amanda Marcott, and the other crazy feminist bitches.
A consequence would be the other major blogs, commenting on her self-destruction and publicly pondering the state of her mind, like they did with Charles Johnson and still do whenever Andrew Sullivan pipes up. Ann even participates in that and no one has any complaints. But it can't and shouldn't happen to Ann because,...what?
She's a teacher that's due for a lesson. AND, if she had a husband, he would be the first in line telling her that at home.
It doesn't have to be a long, drawn-out mea culpa, or 'you did it too.'
She has no humility. She has no "soul." Hell, when I was going through the roughest period in my life, she stood by and let me be fed to the wolves. Meade still feeds off it. And Father Fox? What was that - in her house?
It was Glenn Reynolds who first clued me in, when he said he loves being a law professor because - get this - they can just throw nonsense out there without caring about the consequences.
I thought, as someone on the lower end of the economic scale now - that sure is generous of you, Big Boy. You law professors spit out crap and, if it affects me negatively, because you're a gatekeeper who won't air opposing views, tough shit.
Well fuck them.
Simply, something like, 'I got carried away with my feelings and said crude and cruel things to people who have liked me and have helped me build my platform. I'm very sorry for my part in it all. But please remember in this world of devious women on the make for the gravy train, please be sure and properly dispose of your used condoms and make her spit it out or swallow.'
I told you, as long as this shit keeps up, "swallow" will soon be the only order on the menu,...
From now on, I'm gonna work under the assumption that that is an actual photo of deborah.
And I will not be disabused of my fantasy, so don't even try.
No, not the cat, the one in the main post, silly.
Synova,
Done, Darlin'!
Crack:
"And really - TOP paying Lem, with money received from this group through Amazon (at no cost to yourselves, remember?) is the consequence she "suffered" after going batshit on everybody? Really?"
You mean that Lem's getting Amazon proceeds from his portal? No, though they have to be kicking themselves in the all over that.
"A consequence would be the other major blogs, commenting on her self-destruction and publicly pondering the state of her mind, like they did with Charles Johnson and still do whenever Andrew Sullivan pipes up. Ann even participates in that and no one has any complaints. But it can't and shouldn't happen to Ann because,...what?"
Yes, and I'm afraid that's what's in the offing. That's especially why she needs to apologize and return to normal as soon as possible.
A consequence would be the other major blogs, commenting on her self-destruction and publicly pondering the state of her mind, like they did with Charles Johnson and still do whenever Andrew Sullivan pipes up. Ann even participates in that and no one has any complaints. But it can't and shouldn't happen to Ann because,...what?"
Yes, and I'm afraid that's what's in the offing.
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Actually probably not.
At Ace they have her figured out.
From now on, I'm gonna work under the assumption that that is an actual photo of deborah
And we are going to ignore that new schnozz that you seem to be sporting.
:-)
That's photoshopped. You should see the real one.
I don't go to Ace. You mean they won't give her the satisfaction of giving her the attention of telling everyone she's nuts?
Here's the other thing--he has kind of made an impossible request in the immediate.
Say the blog is a tea pot, the commenters are the water molecules, and Meade is a flamer, er--adding energy to the system--if you ask everyone then to suddenly but a cork in it--the thing explodes.
So there should be like a three day period of festivus--yet again because he as added new bad energy into the system.
However I think the bog posts should eventually get new inspirations from anywhere else.
Now it would be nice if they would stop posting about commenters or this place.
Going to be really interesting to see who can quit who first.
deborah said...
I don't go to Ace. You mean they won't give her the satisfaction of giving her the attention of telling everyone she's nuts?
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What's really sad is--some people crave attention--doesn't matter if it is good or bad.
edit:
if you ask everyone then to suddenly ^put^ a cork in it--the thing explodes.
deborah,
You mean that Lem's getting Amazon proceeds from his portal?
No, I mean Ann and Meade made money from the people here on TOP's portal. Then Meade made a big show of donating some of that money to Lem, while talking shit about how everybody ought to match how much of their own money he gave to Lem.
How did it look when they showed us they'll waste $100.00 on nothing at Whole Foods? When Ann announced she makes $177,000.00 a year? And now they say we've gotta match what they spend or be "losers" when we know - WE KNOW - she's a crazy lying feminist bitch who used the same tactics as Al Sharpton to get where she is?
They're full of shit and in a decent world that would get out,..
Mads @ 1:16
What you say interests me...a three-day period of Festivus. Those who display feats of strength will refrain from posting about them or replying to post from him :)
Clemenza: You know, Mike, you're gonna turn out all right. You take a long vacation, nobody knows where, and we'll catch the hell.
Michael: How bad do you think it's gonna be?
Clemenza: Pretty goddam bad. Probably all the other Families will line up against us. That's all right. These things gotta happen every five years or so, ten years. Helps to get rid of the bad blood. Been ten years since the last one. You know, you gotta stop them at the beginning. Like they should have stopped Hitler at Munich, they should never let him get away with that, they was just asking for trouble.
-- The Godfather
madawaskan,
Yes, and I'm afraid that's what's in the offing.
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Actually probably not.
At Ace they have her figured out.
They certainly do. Meanwhile, Reynolds will say Ann doesn't get it one day (totally ignoring her behavior while doing so) but still post her shit today like he never said she was loopy.
If she is - and she is - then why's he putting her up?
The inconsistencies are what always strike me about these people,...
deborah,
I don't go to Ace. You mean they won't give her the satisfaction of giving her the attention of telling everyone she's nuts?
Oh no, he made it very clear. Look it up.
.a three-day period of Festivus. Those who display feats of strength will refrain from posting about them or replying to post from him :)
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Ha!
Ya, unfortunately the whole process probably has to start over again.
I thought meade donated about $50. I don't think that's paying him off, but it was in poor taste to taunt others.
madawaskan,
Ask yourself why they both crushed Paul Campos.
There's your answer.
I don't know about the Paul Campos incident.
Crack, Reynolds probably feels for her and wants to turn the other cheek.
Okay, I'll look it up on Ace.
Past 1:30 here...'night all.
PS Ping, is not a sound, I don't think. She has a google alert on her name, and when she's sent a notice, it's called a ping.
"Just admit you were willing participants and it was not all Althouse's fault, and move the fuck on."
I admit that. I was a willing participant in all kinds of things over there, a lot of it very good, some pretty lame, but the very ugly had nothing to do with me. The important thing at any blog is how the host behaves. I take no responsibility for how a grown woman acts. Especially one who has a substantial education and who is clearly convinced of her superiority or faking it pretty damned well. If after cultivating people and getting them to donate and support her financially and with most of her content, she then become an ass and turns on them denying them what they were coming for and supporting, then I say that is pretty much all on her.
"Move the fuck on"? We have moved on pretty well, but we still like talking and arguing about it. It's the central fact of this community's shared past, and trying to avoid it is unrealistic and stilted.
It will fade in it's time, as we replace it with new shared history, but we aren't there yet, so see you soon Meade.
Incidentally, my view on donations is to take the money and run. I always think it's silly when politicians act like they need to return the money from unsavory donors. If the bad guys give you some of their money it's like win-win. Giving the money back more or less says that you CAN be bought... you just don't want to be bought by them. Stupid! Take the money and run. Now the bad guys have less money.
I don't see why this isn't obvious to everyone.
Movies as Metaphor
deborah,
Crack, Reynolds probably feels for her and wants to turn the other cheek.
Wait - how does someone "turn the other cheek" on crazy? Oh, by ignoring it tomorrow.
Makes perfect sense,...
I think that a return signal ping got it's name from submarine sonar. The computer geeks I knew way back in the old days of watching messages come through one letter at a time would send out a ping, or request to see if they got a ping back.
(First I said submarine radar and then thought... but light doesn't make any sound...)
ok, after reading er skimming the last (3) threads now I know why Althouse said she had the best con posters in the political blogosphere !!!
Although someone very close to Althouse ?!? says he only liked two of you guys lol.
Mentioned I wouldn't discuss that someone anymore, but have to point out this inconsistency as he also said he begged Althouse in 2009 to keep the blog open for comments.
hmm
And Ritmo congrats as the enemy of my enemy is now my friend ~ oh what a tangled web we weave.
>
Wonder if the scorched earth hatred was this bad when the Hillary supporters broke away from dailykos in 2008. ok, it was probably worse as liberals take no prisoners.
In any event boys and girls just let it go. Again, it's the frickin' internet!
>
Oh and DBQ said How can we miss you if you won't go away. She also said this to me and I quietly left. But alas, doesn't look like Althouse tag along will be leaving here any time soon.
Like sands through the hourglass, so are the days of our lives...
And please, I insist, let the mini melodramas continue.
p.s. One assumes Althouse liked a lot more of her commentariat than just two. Indeed, the shit is getting pretty deep as soon everyone will be walking on the ceiling!
Synova, I've always seen it that way too. My fantasy is to find a suitcase full of drug money - no guilt.
Although someone very close to Althouse ?!? says he only liked two of you guys lol.
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LOL!
Oy,--I'm off to bed .
Here is an Ace post...
Wait--I'm going upthread to delete something.
Hopefully Crack saw the answer.
Great post Deborah!
I don't agree, but that's not the point. It was the epitome of succinct, compelling comment bait. Well done.
oh what a tangled web we weave.
Heh, shiloh, I know... I'm even coming to like you a little!
deborah: As much as I relish a stern blonde with a riding crop, if this stuff bothers you, I suggest you look away. It's only somewhat more real than professional wrestling.
What I find interesting is that, no matter how I slice it, it seems to me Althouse and Meade are the losers in these exchanges.
Are they not thinking this through?
There's a blog aphorism that one should punch up, not down, i.e. that big dog bloggers should not bother punching down at small fry commenters. Yet Althouse on her own blog and Meade coming to us to sneer and stir up trouble are doing exactly that.
I suppose there is a risk that the current combativeness could infect the rest of the blog, but that's unlikely. That's not what I'm seeing.
I'd say that it unifies Comment Home into more of a home that's not going to go away, which was a risk when Althouse could have made the smallest of peace offerings and recovered maybe 80% of the commenters.
But Althouse and Meade have burned that bridge. Readers at Althouse can see what happened easily enough. They can can come over here, compare, and reach their own conclusions. Everyone's gets a piece of the blame, for sure, but Althouse has no high ground and her diva persona depends on that.
creeley23,
Are they not thinking this through?
Dude, when you make over $177,000.00 a year, that's a lot of cushion between you and thinking.
Or caring, really,...
Some would interpret this as a sign...
C'mon Crack. By that reasoning anyone with a couple million dollars would be totally heedless.
Some are, it's true, but in my experience rich people are generally more careful and shrewd than those not.
That's an important part of how they got rich.
I have always thought of Palladian as a tough but thoughtful guy. To see what lengths that some people will go to knock someone when they are down is quite instructive of their true character. The attempt to control the content of another blog is instructive as well.
This blog is in it's infancy. It will also be instructive to see how this is addressed. We will learn what each and every one of the contributors is all about. Everyone can make their own decisions about that.
Meade revealed his character, or lack of it, by viciously attacking someone who is going through a very bad patch. Someone who was not challenging Meade or Ann. And Meade did it anyway. Because Meade is a bully and a coward.
Someone who was not challenging Meade or Ann.
And someone who spoke glowingly of A, praised her, expressed his admiration, appreciation, and gratitude toward her.
Funny how short memories are...
Many years ago, a woman who worked as a dominatrix/prostitute explained to me one of the guiding principles of her odd profession.
"You can make a man your bitch and make him eat his own shit, and he'll love it, but once he gets his nut you have to stop because that's when he'll turn on you and you can get hurt."
That's a paraphrase but I'm positive she said "gets his nut" because that's the first time I ever heard anybody put it that way.
I should add that she was black so it's possible that what she was talking about only applies to white guys.
Hello - longtime lurker at Althouse's blog and I'm intrigued by this new home. I have a question for the former AA commenters or anyone in the know...
So I get that there was some big blow up in the comments -- and that Ann says she decided to shut down comments because of the actions of a former student commenter (some kind of serial online stalker?). It also looks like she's mad at some of the other regular commenters for not 'stepping up' in response to the problem.
That's as much as I've been able to divine. Anyone who could give me the cliff notes version would be appreciated (or direct me to links which would catch me up)...I feel like I'm in a book club where everyone is talking about their reaction to the twist ending...and I'm only half-way through the book.
That's a hot picture, deborah.
If that chick hit you with that thing it would hurt.
A secretary at work was the cutest thing ever. Young, vivacious, fun, got married while we were in the same department. (They bought one of my paintings and it's their major piece of their new home, they told me, but I'm just bragging at this point, and that bas relief is irrelevant to my story) The husband wanted to try something kinky so he handcuffed her to the bed and put on his outfit and cracked a whip and she burst into tears so they undid the whole setup as soon as it started hahahahahah hahahahaha hahahahaha I wasn't supposed to laugh hahaha ha ha ha ha but I couldn't help it ha ha ha ha ha ha ha hahahahahaha
When you refresh the page Blogger asks, "stay or reload"
How does Blogger know what's going on psychologically in the comments?
Donald Gooch,
I don't write as much as I'd like, because I can't type (I'm pecking this out with one finger now) but my blog has most of the important links and whatnot available, in reverse order.
Now, if you'll please excuse me:
Hey, everybody, I got one!
Donald
Not sure either, but as far as I can tell this was ground zero. Althouse put a lot of effort in the post and many disagreed w/her and when you disagree w/Althouse, there may be hell to pay.
In a nutshell she felt unappreciated and many regulars et al got personal w/their remarks. So she took her ball er comment section away from the peanut gallery.
And the book is still being written w/many rewrites on the horizon.
It was the best of times. It was the worst of times.
Weird scenes inside the goldmine.
You can check out, but you can never leave ...
shiloh,
Nope. You've got to go back a bit more. She started flipping out during the run-up to the DOMA decision. Once that came down, so did she, all the way from Mount Feminazi.
Then she pivoted to abortion and how anyone with balls is a slave to whatever emerges from her vagina (or something) and that, as they say, was that.
Most of us have balls for other reasons, too.
Many of these women as well,...
Crack
I guess there are several definitions to "flipping out" depending on one's point of view, but interesting she would go off the deep end re: DOMA since everyone knew the outcome ahead of the decision.
In any event I stand corrected. So many mini-dramas, so little time.
Two things, since Meade wants to bring the trolling:
1) If the "althouse signal" goes off every time her name is mentioned - have fun with it, flood it. Randomly insert "Ann Althouse" into your repsonses to Putin threads, cooking threads, Zimmerman threads, etc.
2) Althouse REALLY hates it when you paraphrase her with actual quotation marks. See, she has a rep to maintain or somesuch. Ex:
Althouse: "My black students are so far behind in basics and remedial education that I have to spot them 20 points on exams just to keep the Dean off my back"
Meade wants to play? Let's play.
Fen said...
"Meade: "Trust me - Althouse is not worried about loosing your sixty page views."
Sure. Thats why you're over here trying to disrupt this blog.
Do you have any idea how pathetic and stupid you make Ann look? Have some class. Go home."
Ann makes herself look pathetic and stupid, Meade just props her up when she is drunk.
Well, there it is. Good Lord.
Someone should save that thread before it gets deleted. It was ugly but there was a lot of truth to be gleaned from it.
May God bless Palladian today.
I don't even know what the great Althouse kerfluffle was about.
Can somebody summarize it for me in two or three sentences?
How about this, ST:
"IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT!"
Simple.
ST: You should read it. On El Pollo Raylan's thread. Just search for Meade's posts and Palladian's and you'll get it instantly.
Oh, if you meant the stuff that happened at Althouse prior to her shutting down comments, that would take a lot more than three sentences, but I'm beginning to believe they should all involve the word unhinged.
Hey, you're right.
I took a look back at the comments, and it is entirely my fault!
Ronald,
I don't think anyone could tell you with certainty what THE event or chain of events was which led to the break-up. It's an ambiguous abyssal text. A & M have given various (inconsistent) reasons for it, but like all human beings (including me), they are unreliable narrators.
It's not clear to me that it has to do with acrimony over particular political/ ideological/ cultural disagreements. For one thing, A has received strong pushback at other times (and always has), e.g. for her 2008 Obama vote. For another, it's interesting to me that there isn't really a left/ right or lib/ con split in the response to or reading of the A vs. commenters divorce.
"Mary" has appeared at other times and been just as abusive (so have other trolls), so it's not clear to me that her recent appearance was the determining factor.
I myself skimmed or skipped most of the really acrimonious threads at the end there (and I wasn't there for the climactic battle, if there was one), so I'm as uninformed as you about what happened. My surmise is that it was not so much the *what* (particular political/ ideological/ cultural disagreements) as the *how* (the way different parties might have poisoned, personalized, or bad-faith distorted things-- cast aspersions instead of arguments). Also, the way resentments might have festered over time. But then, isn't that par for the course at the blog-rodeo?
As for me, personally, this is my own subjective take on things. I've long admired A's blogging. I read her for her own often great writing AND her wonderful comments section. On the issue e.g. of gay marriage (the issue itself, as opposed to the way different parties advocate for their side), I'm probably closer to A than many of her commenters. After A closed comments, I felt equal affection for A and my fellow commenters; didn't think it necessary to take sides. I still hoped for reconciliation.
For me, it was the aftermath-- A's pissy comments about her ex-commenters, but especially, above all, overwhelmingly, M's behavior in the comments section here-- culminating in a truly horrifying display last night-- that definitively alienated me from The Other Place. More than alienated, repelled and disgusted.
I've undergone a radical paradigm shift in my view of TOP. Primarily due to what I've witnessed AFTER comments @ TOP closed. Which has led me to re-evaluate much of what I thought I knew about the character of certain people.
yashu,
That was pretty good. I'd say 90% accurate.
Which has led me to re-evaluate much of what I thought I knew about the character of certain people.
Pogo posted a comment over at Althouse a long time ago. I don't recall the context but that doesn't matter.
Everybody disappoints us, eventually.
Althouse was for me a valuable source of pithy insights like that.
Anybody who commented over there about politics because they thought they were going to change the world and set it right was bound to be disappointed, eventually.
Shit, I'm really out of it!
I guess I'll have to spend less time at Guess Her Muff, and more time studying the issues.
And now I'll check out the dust-up between Meade and Palladian.
I expect to gain some additional insight into human nature, which is something I find interesting.
Though I might very well find myself disappointed.
"check out the dust-up between Meade and Palladian."
Human nature insight indeed, sort of like Ritmo and Shouting Thomas, but a lot more hate/spitefulness rather than just inane childishness.
Yea Meade can get really nasty er out of control when he feels his mommy has been slighted.
One would like the internet taken out of the equation so these "fools" could meet face to face. Thankfully Meade's passive/agressiveness is "protected" by the www. The gardener would definitely need a gun like Z.
"It will also be instructive to see how this is addressed. We will learn what each and every one of the contributors is all about. Everyone can make their own decisions about that."
People's email will not be transparent the way some people are.
I'm with Deborah. Can we stop talking about Althouse? We can talk about stuff she has posted, but we don't need to keep talking about her.
"I'm with Deborah. Can we stop talking about Althouse?"
Obviously not. Try it. I bet you can't.
You can't get much more transparent than what happened here, Freeman.
I kind of care what people think about it. Is that silly? Yeah. Probably.
I do wonder how TOP would've reacted if a minor public figure trolled the comments section back in the day, insisting that he would stop only if TOP quit mentioning them. Can't even "allude" to him. Mayor Dave, maybe.
With deborah? She's the one who brought it up again, and with the typical Althousian demeanment of males:
"This is what happens when a bunch of grown men lap up being scolded and lessoned and tempted and teased for years"
Now we're being told to just accept Deb's cheap shot and drop it?
Fuck you.
Insty has comments turned on? Holy crap. I hope this shit just got real.
She's the one who brought it up again, and with the Althousian demeanment of males:
Speak for yourself.
I'm just as mean as I've ever been.
Maybe moreso.
I'm with Deborah. Can we stop talking about Althouse? We can talk about stuff she has posted, but we don't need to keep talking about her.
I'm with this. Her post on the woman who plunged over the bridge and survived was really good. Really good. It had a small flaw IMO but it was insightful on a level I don't recall seeing on that site.
"insisting that he would stop only if "
Patrick, you make it sound as if I made a threat. I didn't. I made a proposal to those who were saying they wanted me to go away, to be banned or blocked: Stop mentioning our names, stop alluding to us, and I will not post comments here. I bet you can't do it but if you do, I'll keep my word and remain silent.
Insty just mentioned She Whose Name Must Not Be Used Here. Eagerly awaiting the vitriolic response from He Who Will Not Go Away.
Michael, my responses have not been vitriolic. See for yourself. Vitriol has been expressed at me and Althouse, not from us. Prove me wrong if you can.
Trooper York said...
I have always thought of Palladian as a tough but thoughtful guy.
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Okay.
A couple of things.
Seems like Palladian has been through a lot--obviously.
Some concerns:
he did not sound or read like his old self.
Not good.
Has anyone got in touch with him?
Then --
THIS IS TO MEADE AND ALTHOUSE DIRECTLY
Do this for yourselves contemplate what you could end up regretting for decades.
Got that?
Back off of Palladian ASAP
*IF* you think that is an idle and/or empty threat it is NOT.
Thank you, madawaskan. I'd feel better if I knew someone had heard from Palladian as well.
The rest of the gang--
So remember when it looked kind of extreme what Sippican did?
Well hindsight is 20/20 and that might have been way more rational than anyone knew at the time.
Chez Althouse has done a classic NPD maneuver they have taken personal info trusted to them in a time of vulnerability and weaponized that information.
Did you get too trusting and/or drunk and leave painful and/or personal information in the comment's section at Althouse?
Go delete that.
Darcy said...
Thank you, madawaskan. I'd feel better if I knew someone had heard from Palladian as well.
*************
Thank you--Darcy--you have no idea.
(1) Sometimes I think I remember something but I can't get corroboration from the internet.
Like I distinctly remember seeing a performance of "The Importance of Being Earnest." It was 35 years ago and Algernon was getting all worked up over something John/Jack/Ernest had cooked up.
Algernon is in a panic and he says something like, "How can you just stand there calmly eating cucumber and watercress sandwiches when we're in such a terrible predicament?!?!?!"
Ernest responds: "There is only one way to eat cucumber and watercress sandwiches and that is calmly. Any other way and one is certain to soil one's cuffs."
(2) I just wanted to throw that out there, calmly.
Damn--I go out with my lady and we have a great time--I am gone for 12 hours and all kind of shit hits the fan Oh well-- will see my lady tonite and we will have a great time, and the blogosphere will continue to roll on--and I really don't give a damn.Meade and Palladian had a dust up? Glenn Reynolds opens comments? The world as I know it seems to have come to an end. Time to buy another bottle of crown. We will sit outside on her porch, enjoy an adult beverage, and listen to the cicadas--life is good, and it exists outside the blogosphere
Also
I really hate saying this one--but please be really careful about how you give money.
They ask me how I feel
And if my love is real
And how I know I'll make it through
And they, they look at me and frown
They'd like to drive me from this town
They don't want me around
'Cause I believe in Zeus
They, they show me to the door
They say don't come back no more
'Cause I don't be like they'd like me to
And I walk out on my own
Five hundred miles from home
But I don't feel alone
'Cause I believe in Zeus
I believe in Zeus even through the tears and the laughter
I believe in Zeus even though we be apart
I believe in Zeus even on the morning after
Oh, when the dawn is nearing
Oh, when the night is disappearing
Oh, this feeling is still here in my heart
Don't let me drift too far
Keep me where you are
Where I will always be renewed
And that which you've given me today
Is worth more than I could pay(pal)
And no matter what they say
I believe in Zeus
I believe in Zeus when winter time turns to summer
I believe in Zeus when white turn to black
I believe in Zeus even though I be outnumbered
Oh, though the earth may shake me
Oh, though my friends forsake me
Oh, even that couldn't make me go back
Don't let me change my heart
Keep me set apart
From all the plans they do pursue
And I, I don't mind the pain
Don't mind the driving rain
I know I will sustain
'Cause I believe in Zeus
Meade
You think you can allow Palladian to have something?
Some sort of space?
How about that.
I'm not going to interpret regurgitated stuff.
Try using your own words.
Good to hear that you and your lady are back on track, Roger J.
And to each his own, but some of these people are real life to me. Real friends. I could name a dozen commenters that I would go out of my way for if they needed something. Some have for me. So the extended community matters too.
"I'm a less is more kind of person."
Then why was she always asking for $$$ er donations via her ebay portal and bragging about blog hits? Rhetorical.
Indeed, the shit is getting deeper and deeper as she continues to foolishly rationalize her pretzel logic.
Better to keep quiet and let folk think you're a fool, than to open your mouth removing all doubt.
Meade, You're impossible of making a threat. Weasels don't make threats.
I bet you can't do it but if you do, I'll keep my word and remain silent.
Well I'm not sure if that was directed at me specifically or other commenters more generally, but I've had no trouble not discussing TOP, especially in a disparaging way, until after you'd aired P's dirty laundry. To me, your comments last night seemed to meet the definition of bad faith: designed to destroy Lem's blog, if not P's business. That, coupled with your offer seemed more of a threat than a proposal. Maybe you can show me which of my premises is incorrect.
As I recall, in an early thread on this place, you actually called for a vote, and the last returns I saw were well in your favor. Obviously there are some with a grudge, but at TOP there were idiots also. It never got too bad until the idiots and those responding to them dominated the comments.
"Well I'm not sure if that was directed at me specifically or other commenters more generally"
commenters more generally.
Meade, are you going to humiliate any other commentators down on their financial luck over at Instapundit? Or is that something you just do here?
Trying to figure out how marrying one of your bloggers figures into the I'm a less is more kind of person equation other than you were really a very lonely person looking for a relationship.
So obviously less is/was not more!
"are you going to humiliate any other commentators"
Maybe. Are there any other commenters who are frauds, fakes, and con artists?
I talked to Palladian very late last night.
That's enough of that. This is not a place for people to work out their offline problems. Take it to email if you need to talk about it on the computer.
The deal that Meade offers is obviously unworkable. The group of bloggers and commenters here is not homogenous.
Also seems to be some very mixed meassages about why he keeps commenting here. That last certainly sounds to me like he's having a hard time giving up his old life and old friends, which he is now forced to do.
You can't get much more transparent than what happened here, Freeman.
I kind of care what people think about it. Is that silly? Yeah. Probably.
Everyone thinks the same thing about it. There's been no indication of any different. Trooper is transparent in his insinuation that anyone would be cool with what happened.
Thank you for talking to P, Freeman. That was kind.
"Meade, are you going to humiliate any other commentators..."
Ooh, ooh , ooh, Do me, Do me!, and get that blonde in post photo to help.
@Freeman
Ahh. Understood. And thank you.
It was no big deal. Just via email because I don't have his number. And I wasn't the only one.
Palladian's fine. He's no weakling.
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