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This is what happens when a bunch of grown men lap up being scolded and lessoned and tempted and teased for years. When the dam breaks, it's Johnstown all over again. What pent-up rage. Just admit you were willing participants and it was not all Althouse's fault, and move the fuck on.
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How about an Open Thread?
I don't have big moral plans for how other people should comment, but I would like to talk about something else.
Going back to deborah's original point, she's right.
(did we discuss this, you and I?)
Ann broke a lot of hearts when she remarried.
Glad to hear it, Freeman.
I wanted to offer support, but 1.)P wouldn't recognize me since I'm so new here and 2.) didn't want to make the whole 'thing' worse.
Ann broke a lot of hearts when she remarried.
I don't think so.
Weakling has nothing to do with it. Anyone can break. I've seen better men than me, much better, break. P broke and it's on the other guy. Cruelest fucking thing I've seen in a long long time.
Shaming is a powerful weapon.
I'm just complimenting him.
"The deal that Meade offers is obviously unworkable."
Of course it is, which is a perfect example of what bad faith commenting is.
The subject of TOP was already fading fast, until someone purposefully or foolishly lit it on fire, and seems to need it or want it that way.
It's just one of many subjects, not to be obsessed with or avoided.
It can create some ugly, but one of the neat things about blogger is that a host can't really be a dictator and keep commenters. They can only control people by example and suggestion. You need to convince people. The citizens there are part of it, and you can never have 100% control, unless you turn off comments. But then you have to be really really good.
Palladian's fine. He's no weakling.
I'm very glad you did that Freeman. I went to bed with a heavy heart thinking about Palladian and his circumstances. The last thing you need at these times is to be kicked in the gut by someone you thought was a friend.
We need to all move on. I'm sick of discussions about two dysfunctional people. The threads where we actually discuss things and share ideas and are civil to each other are the ones worth reading.
Ignore IGNORE the static. (Easier said than done....and I will try)
The attraction of Althouse is
1. Topics.
2. Place to comment.
I'd say that if I agreed with analysis and thought it was well said, I never commented.
I never agreed with her on SSM. If there is SSM then marriage is destroyed as a word. Nobody can have it. A right disappears, rather than appearing.
Also she didn't appreciate the battle of the sexes, apparently finally.
She needs to get the Thurber cartoon series on the war between the sexes. The sides are actually even a proper arrangement, and both come out ahead.
Thurber loved his bitchy, difficult women, far from misogynist.
They never closed comments, or sent anyone out to do it.
I wanted to say, once again...
Aridog's a good guy.
"Ann broke a lot of hearts when she remarried."
That's true. Meade is in really great shape for his age, and I have to admit, that he was my kind of man, but after the last few days, I think he's kind of creepy now. Even if it is legal, I'm not interested anymore.
Besides, ever since I saw Haz's new boat, I've developed a whole new standard for what a good man is and what he can do with his hands.
Still fighting?
"are actually even in a proper arrangement"
I have to fix typos that make it unreadable, I guess. Usually I leave them, even maddening spelling botches.
You know how to become a great speller even if you suck at spelling (resistence? resistance?)?
Copy out a few thousand pages of your favorite authors longhand.
Suddenly you're guessing right all the time.
Aridog is NOT a good guy.
So when all the men were coming back at her, Althouse closed the airlock and took off for the moon.
Not part of the Thurber universe.
Cheese drops on the men who are building a new village.
Mare Althouse
The moon is always female.
Anyone who gets angry enough with an online person to invade their children's privacy is NOT a good guy. You people here seem to have a disconnect as to where online activity ends and personal offline activity begins. That is not healthy and you don't appreciate it in Meade, why do you tolerate it in Aridog, or Methadras, or President Mom Jeans.
You folks need to take a better and closer look at yourselves. Maybe Althouse and Meade wouldn't look quite so ugly to you then.
He's always been a good guy to me. I'm sorry if he misused you.
But I always felt if I had to get a jury of my peers from Althouse web site, aridog would be one of the one's I'd pick. We disagree about a lot of stuff but being decent seems to trump the politics with him.
YMMV though.
rhhardin is a wise man.
Rule 34 above all.
Good and bad is less interesting than quip ability.
I take a good quip from anybody.
phx 1
Inga 0
Anyone who gets angry enough with an online person to invade their children's privacy is NOT a good guy. You people here seem to have a disconnect as to where online activity ends and personal offline activity begins. That is not healthy and you don't appreciate it in Meade, why do you tolerate it in Aridog, or Methadras, or President Mom Jeans.
You folks need to take a better and closer look at yourselves. Maybe Althouse and Meade wouldn't look quite so ugly to you then.
Well that has more than a grain of truth to it, IMO (exception, I never really saw bad stuff from aridog).
But yeah, for anyone who's been on the business end of a lot of the commentators here it's a little crazy to see how Meade is supposed to so beyond the pale. I'm not defending Meade, and I wouldn't disrespect my frenemy Palladian, but some people here have a selective memory for sure.
Not that we can't all be friends if we want.
I would point out that the recent TOP topics were started by official contributers.
Not that there is anything wrong with that!
However, those who want people to move on might offer some places for us to move on to. Currently the choices are (1) Soup and (2) Terrorism.
"Palladian's fine. He's no weakling."
Of course he isn't, but I think what happened was one of those times when someone you trust really so lets you down that it hits you right in the heart. I've been there, and you lose faith in your ability to judge people. You trust everyone a little less after that, and while that is probably a good defense, it's a painful realization to people of good will.
Palladian, you know it's not the first time, and it won't be the last. Just don't internalize it. It's part of the challenge, and what makes real friends so rare and special. You can see how great people can be here, complete strangers want to help someone. That's amazing. I don't know why, because you are such a douche, but people just like you, and it's because of your mind. That should make you feel pretty good.
Althouse someday will have her own imdb biography.
That's a quip in the war of the sexes.
aka all women are actresses.
I talked to Palladian very late last night
And....?
rhhardin said...
Ann broke a lot of hearts when she remarried.
I don't think so.
I didn't mean in the sense guys were wandering around wondering how they'd go on, but there was a Scheherezade (sp?) quality to her byplay with her mostly male commentariat.
She could be intellectual and funny and sexy in a "one of the boys" way and that appealed to a lot of them.
Inga said...
Anyone who gets angry enough with an online person to invade their children's privacy is NOT a good guy. You people here seem to have a disconnect as to where online activity ends and personal offline activity begins. That is not healthy and you don't appreciate it in Meade, why do you tolerate it in Aridog, or Methadras, or President Mom Jeans.
Lem and the Lemulites are going to go all Trooper on her if she doesn't let it go.
I wouldn't mind if someone (like creeley23) started a site with cultural and political topics from a conservative point of view, where people (including libtards) could comment without a bunch childish namecalling.
Chickie, the problem is it's not a fucking game, score keeping in such instances shows me a part of you that is not your best feature.
There are two theories to arguing with a woman. Neither works. ~ Will Rogers
And you can stop talking about TOP cold turkey w/a little effort. Although it's easier if you were never part of the "community".
I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member. ~ Groucho Marx
"rhhardin is a wise man."
Probably, but how do you know? You're just guessing like the rest of us, huh?
Edutcher, you don't speak for Lemlings any more than I do. So I suggest you too leave it alone.
ok, not TOP, but TOP ie TOP is TOP to me.
carry on
"here it's a little crazy to see how Meade is supposed to so beyond the pale."
Even at the old place, it would be front of the vanguard of rudeness, and toxicity. It is entirely beyond the pale both here and at the new Althouse. It can only be designed to ruin the one place accomplishing it by the voluntary self-control of the commenters. It's envy, with all the accompanying toxicity.
Donald -- re: when it began
This yapping rat dog said the other day that there was a desire to do it back in 2009. That would put the roots of the troubles back into 2008. Which brings us to the election.
She never -- never -- could sell her complete FOS justification for voting for Obama. Even when she was repeatedly called on it, she could never simply come clean on it. That kind of indicates that she can be rather delusional about herself at times, but that's another matter.
So with this underlying current of everyone agreeing that she is FOS on that, and refusing to admit it, that colored everything else.
But the last haystack was her obsession with the whole SSM thing and the failure of defenders of authentic marriage ("losers!") to surrender after the Supreme Court cases. And that led to more loser-calling, including some inane thing about women lying about birth control and intentionally getting pregnant. By then, the hate was really spewing out of her a** like a firehose.
Then, abruptly, complaining about some unnamed person or persons, she quit. Picked up the ball and went home.
And now her yappy rat dog wants to come over and try nipping at people's heels while going yap, yap, yap.
Both of them are pathological it is now clear.
It's time to officially bring back the classical ad hominem argument.
The idea is to argue to ("ad") your opponent's interests.
What's called ad hominem today would be called contra hominem, if it even got a name as an argument.
@Inga: It was my way of saying that phx was making better arguments and making more sense re Aridog. You are forever pretending that all the bad faith commenters were from one side of the partisan spectrum.
Oh and, even juries keep score.
Palladian could dish it out pretty good, too. He had his unusually cruel side. I would be astonished if he denied that.
I'm not saying he was as bad or worse than Meade or getting into any of that. I'm just making the observation that many of you, maybe even most of you, were totally comfortable with yourselves saying unimaginably nast stuff that you would never dream of saying to someone's face, or if you didn't have the shelter of internet anonymity.
Don't try to kid a kidder.
Being a bad person doesn't keep you from being nice.
She was never delusional re: her opinions as she could always find a weasel way out. And she was always very good at blocking out the "noise" ie personal attacks.
Me thinks she just got tired of the process of defending her viewpoints, regardless if they were defensible or not.
And of course the conundrum of hosting a 90/10 con blog when you're really a liberal at heart. She did pull it off really well, for a very long time, as she catered to her majority audience.
She's basically a nostalgic old-timer, posting golden oldies on a regular basis and recently posting (2) of her dad's fav albums.
My 2¢
Come fly with me, let's fly, let's fly away ...
hmm, trying to figure out if my post is pro or con Althouse.
Look Inga, Love you and all, but you would be doing us all a really big favor if you just took that whole thing over to TOP.
Yes, I agree what Airdog did was wrong, and he would probably say he just wanted to shut you up. Let's leave it at that and forget it. It was unfortunate, and it's over. It's done, worn out, fini here. Please.
We'd love to have you here being a leftie, and all, because we need that. I want people to enjoy your input, and hear your point of view, but you keep stepping on that by driving into the personal ditch. You have much more to offer than that. Give it to us unsoiled.
"Being a bad person doesn't keep you from being nice."
hmm, George Z recently coming to the aide of a wrecked vehicle.
I digress ...
@phx
All true. But "he did it too" is never a good defense of bad behavior, and in this case, particularly when the nastiness (cruelty!) is coming from people who claimed they were hurt by nastiness directed at them and that the treatment caused them to retreat.
Hello, mirror.
And being nice doesn't equal good person.
@phx
Agree.
Everyone sins, all fall short.
But the best answer is to keep striving toward the good, rather than court despair.
I say this even though I often hear despair tapping its pen.
Eva Braun laughing at one of Hitler's jokes, a domestic scene that popped up somewhere recently.
It was probably something Hitler heard somewhere and wanted to use.
Hmmm. I haven't read much lately; I check in today to spend a few minutes and I feel like I've walked in to the most contentious family get-together ever. Awkward!
Wasn't a comment-free Althouse inevitable? The road of iconoclasm is necessarily lonely. Commenting can elicit and elucidate thoughts that inevitably lead you towards or away from a position. When someone who claims the mantle of cruel neutrality turns cruel and decidedly not neutral at the provocation of the commenters she sought to keep at arms length, then inevitably the choice is between a rooted environment or ascetic existence. I'm not surprised by Ann's choice.
Chickie, I did not mention what side of the partisan divide Aridog is on. It does not matter. If a leftie invaded your daughter's privacy the way Aridog did my daughters I would have supported your outrage. I doubt too many people here think its a proper thing to do. And yes bad people can sometimes do good things.
Aridog owes me and my daughter an apology. Once that happens I won't bring it up again.
Again, this is ONLINE folks, it's NOT real life. Whatever an online persona does, or says online, it does NOT rise to the level of bringing in their personal life and the life of their family as retribution for "bad" online behavior.
You folks are still picking out he splinters in others eyes , but ignoring the plank in yours. What Meade did to Palladian was a low blow. What Methadras and Aridog was no different.
What probably happened eventually is Eva told Hitler that their relationship had to be something more than just laughing at jokes.
This is where Hitler ran into trouble.
I don't fall short but I don't aim high.
Meade said...
Ha. Deborah gets on board with the beta male theory.
Meade's true life story. It's okay dude, sometimes Low T happens.
All true. But "he did it too" is never a good defense of bad behavior, and in this case, particularly when the nastiness (cruelty!) is coming from people who claimed they were hurt by nastiness directed at them and that the treatment caused them to retreat.
Hey, Darcy. How you? Note I am NOT defending Meade by any means. No one should be hurt because they participate on a political/cultural commentary blog.
It seems a little silly to me that this blog of mostly conservatives and libertarians has devolved into such an emotional mess. We're all human I guess. But damn, be for real, people.
It was fun when Fiona McGee was posting, supposedly as a thinly-veiled Ann Althouse sockpuppet. Made me think of Janis Joplin.
Na na na na na na na na na Me and Fiona McGee!
But yes, yes, YES, let's strive to do better. Absolutely.
Love wins.
Good wishes, @Pogo.
And hey, phx. I'm doing far better than I deserve. :)
ok, this thread has now ventured into Godwin's Law :-P territory as the Battle of the Bulge continues.
Springtime for Hitler and Germany
"Love wins."
Only in heaven. God's love wins.
Here on earth, Truth wins.
So here's a question to ponder: Would it be ethically wrong for someone who is legally married to, on internet forums, flirt with others, sexually, while hiding the truth of his/her marriage?
That's a really bad split infinitive, Meade.
phx wrote: I'm just making the observation that many of you, maybe even most of you, were totally comfortable with yourselves saying unimaginably nast stuff that you would never dream of saying to someone's face, or if you didn't have the shelter of internet anonymity.
Speaking for myself, probably the nastiest stuff I wrote on Althouse was directed at Andrew Sullivan in ab sentia. Sullivan happens to be gay, so I suppose that many of my remarks were construed as anti-gay because he is apparently a spokesperson for many gays. But he was also a nasty person and was given a pass for his Palin and Romney smears.
"That's a really bad split infinitive, Meade."
ok, that was funny!
Reminds me of Grace Kelly's line:
From where I sat, it looked as though you were conjugating some irregular verbs. in 'To Catch a Thief'.
As a team Meadehouse could probably pull it off.
Althouse could spot contra hominem arguments that slip into Meade, and Meade could spot whining that slips into Althouse.
Listen to each other.
"Love wins."
Only in heaven. God's love wins.
Here on earth, Truth wins.
Bad theology. God is love and God is truth.
"That's a really bad split infinitive, Meade."
rh boldly goes where no grammarian marm has gone before.
Just in my non-snarky opinion, truth is way overrated in this world.
As you can see, I have not vowed to become a better person.
rh mandelbaum
Okay, that made me laugh, RH. :)
http://grooveshark.com/#!/search?q=dylan+you+go+your+way
Meade, I wasn't hitting on you, and I'm not married.
But if you leave that woman, we can fix both of those.
Inga said...
Edutcher, you don't speak for Lemlings any more than I do. So I suggest you too leave it alone.
Then shut up.
Actually, I was here when they were talking rules, so I might know a little more about it than you.
shiloh said...
And of course the conundrum of hosting a 90/10 con blog when you're really a liberal at heart. She did pull it off really well, for a very long time, as she catered to her majority audience.
It's really necessary for the Lefties to think they're battling against the colossus, isn't it?
TOP was probably 40-40-20, like the rest of the country. It was just the other 80% was smarter.
Being a bad person doesn't keep you from being nice.
hmm, George Z recently coming to the aide of a wrecked vehicle.
Clinging to the talking points gets harder and harder, especially when it comes out he mentored black kids, etc.
Aridog owes me and my daughter an apology. Once that happens I won't bring it up again.
Static....sssssssssssshsssssssshssssssh
Just for the record, I've been in touch with Palladian since minutes after the insult began. AllenS and I will keep our word and if all goes well, we jointly will resolve it by the end of today. Others have also contacted me to ask what they could do and I suggested they make contact directly.
For Katelyn, Sandra, Fiona, Inga, Allie, et al ad nauseum ... you are right, I am not a nice guy and never said I was. I am meaner than a snake, with the temper of a buffalo in rut, and a heart darker than pitch. So what. Next question.
Just in my non-snarky opinion, truth is way overrated in this world.
I wouldn't say that, but I would say there are few immutable truths that we can all agree on.
Just in my non-snarky opinion, truth is way overrated in this world.
Truth or lie? What should you do?
"Honey, Does this dress make me look fat?"
Truth or lie? What should you do?
Lie! Lie! Lie! Like a freaking rug!
I wouldn't say that, but I would say there are few immutable truths that we can all agree on.
Yes, that's the point. I'm going to guess that I have fewer immutable truths than anyone you will meet today.
So here's a question to ponder: Would it be ethically wrong for someone who is legally married to, on internet forums, flirt with others, sexually, while hiding the truth of his/her marriage?
Well most people know you are married.
George Washington was a notorious flirter. He loved women. Especially young attractive women. He loved to dance and converse with them at parties. But he went home every night to Martha.
Flirting is fine. Going beyond it probably is not (unless you have an open marriage thing, which always seemed like a recipe for failure).
(1) "Honey, you are not fat, but that dress does make you look like you are." She changes into something else. They go to party. People see her and say, "She looks nice."
(2) "No, honey, that dress does not make you look fat." They go to party. People see her and say, "Wow, she looks like a cow!" They get home. She's pissed off because he let her go out in something that added 50 pounds to her look. Next day, she's still pissed off.
Truth or lie? What should you do?
"Honey, Does this dress make me look fat?"
That is the Kobiyashi Moru of questions.
Bender, you are so right.
I never lie to The Blonde about how clothes look on her.
The first time she asked, I gave her the truth (diplomatically, but still the truth) and told her, "Would rather me lie to you and let you go out in something that looks bad?"; she said, "No".
We've never had a problem since.
Good answer Bender.
The truth can sometimes be hurtful and a white lie can be often helpful. People who want to see the world in an either/or proposition need to rethink their strategy.
Either/or. You are pigeonholed as a Conservative or Liberal. You must hold all opinions once you pick a side. What? there isn't a sliding scale where I can be Conservative about one thing and Liberal about another?
The refusal to see that people can hold differing opinions and still agree on other things is one of the main reasons that we have such vitriolic blowups on the Internet and in real life as well. I can be against SSM but not be against gay people. I can be for SSM and still be a religious person. I can be offended by the Obamaphone lady and not be a racist. The list goes on, in the ways we can have opinions that defy being stereotyped.
Lies and white lies to get along. Cast in stone opinions and yelling at each other....or reasoning and attempts to persuade.
A certain commenter keeps showing up in here like
Don'tyoupeoplehavehomes?
which is, however, a vast improvement over
Spauldinggetyourfootofftheboat
Joe Schmoe said...
Truth or lie? What should you do?
"Honey, Does this dress make me look fat?"
That is the Kobiyashi Moru of questions.
The appropriate answer is "Honey, how do you think you look in this dress?"
When I ask my husband, "How does my hair look."
I really want the truth because. I usually don't have a mirror handy. If I did, I still can't see the back of my own head. And HE is the one looking at me.
Tell me. Do I need to brush my hair? Do I have an Alfalfa cowlick? Does it look like a combed my hair with a rake? (the usual state since my hair is curly) Did that hat I was wearing turn my hair into a Rand Paul toupee? Give me the truth.
Three stages to life:
Youth
Middle Age
My don't you look good!
I ask hubs if I look OK (which usually has to do with appropriateness for an occasion, not weight, but does encompass whether or not an outfit flatters me.)
His respose is always pretty much the same (Yes, you look great or some such) but I can tell by the way he says it whether he means it or not.
It seems to work for us.
I'll say this for the community fostered by Ann Althouse. When you're good, you are really good.
Trooper has a nice post up re Palladian. I'm crying. Natch.
"Some people don't quite get the polls I put up around here"
Ha.
Do I click over to see what it is this time or have I reached that point where it really is too boring beyond description?
Yes I am transparent. I emailed Palladian and he replied and I asked his permission to publish his email on my blog. Which I did. I don't think secret emails back and forth are the way to go when it is played out in front of the world unless the party involved requests that.
When you posted that the janitor was needed in that thread you illustrated what I was talking about. A simple sentence along the lines of "That was not cool Meade" would have sufficed. But that was beyond you for whatever reason. Fair enough.
As Holmes would put it "It was the sound of the dog not barking."
The toxicity here is no better or different than there. Still fighting. Still mean cruel toxic commenters. Not all of you, but too many of you.
It's much better here. Just hashing shit out. Got to get the demons exorcised, but to think it's as nasty here is informative. We can do w/o inane comments, but Hey..it's America. Insane and inane comments are part of the real world.
This amused me: http://althouse.blogspot.jp/2007/11/do-you-want-to-be-star-in.html
Hypocrisy and Irony
Live together in perfect harmony,
Showing certain commentors trying to be pithy,
Side by side on a keyboard, oh lord why don't they,
Just go away.
bago:
"I admit that. I was a willing participant in all kinds of things over there, a lot of it very good, some pretty lame, but the very ugly had nothing to do with me. The important thing at any blog is how the host behaves. I take no responsibility for how a grown woman acts. Especially one who has a substantial education and who is clearly convinced of her superiority or faking it pretty damned well. If after cultivating people and getting them to donate and support her financially and with most of her content, she then become an ass and turns on them denying them what they were coming for and supporting, then I say that is pretty much all on her."
Fair enough, as far as it goes. But it's sad to contrast what has happened with the light-heartedness of the past.
But as far as what Ed said above, I don't think she broke hearts, so much as changed the dynamic. You could no longer flirt with her, as she was now married. Some were insulting to Meade and their marital arrangement. It really was beyond the pale. They are owed an apology for that.
"Some people don't quite get the polls I put up around here"
It's really sad how stupid everyone is compared to Althouse, and how hard and selflessly she must work to overcome that.
Looking at Sitemeter, Althouse did get a bump from yesterday's brouhaha.
Maybe Bagoh is right that these confrontations work for both blogs, but I'm still inclined to believe that Althouse is burning up her credibility with all this punching-down and in the longer term, it will cost her.
Inga said...
Still mean cruel toxic commenters. Not all of you, but too many of you.
It's bizarre reading Inga as if she's not as culpable as anyone.
Here's the real Inga:
http://poll.pollcode.com/owqyt_result?v
Hundreds of nasty comments to everyone, and gleeful Althouse turned off comments.
And then she says You folks need to take a better and closer look at yourselves.
There's never been a less self-aware commenter. Everyone else is trying to do better, but not Inga.
deborah said...
Fair enough, as far as it goes. But it's sad to contrast what has happened with the light-heartedness of the past.
But as far as what Ed said above, I don't think she broke hearts, so much as changed the dynamic. You could no longer flirt with her, as she was now married. Some were insulting to Meade and their marital arrangement. It really was beyond the pale. They are owed an apology for that.
I called it back then. I didn't know the exact details, but you could see something was afoot.
Methadras said...
Hmmm. This begs the question on whether Althouse has a boner for any of the commenters on this blog. I'm sure she does, but wouldn't dare say. The picture almost looks like an invitation of sorts. Hmmm...
3/13/09, 5:40 PM
I rest my case.
Deborah, I respectfully disagree on what those two are owed. They are owed stugots.
Marshal said...
Inga said...
Still mean cruel toxic commenters. Not all of you, but too many of you.
It's bizarre reading Inga as if she's not as culpable as anyone.
Here's the real Inga:
http://poll.pollcode.com/owqyt_result?v
Hundreds of nasty comments to everyone, and gleeful Althouse turned off comments.
And then she says You folks need to take a better and closer look at yourselves.
There's never been a less self-aware commenter. Everyone else is trying to do better, but not Inga.
Must. Resist. With. All. Fiber. Of. My. Being!!!!
Cleaning up after the hippo polloi:
It’snobigdeal
I've always done better than you Marshal. I still do better. You just proved it. I get to be angry when someone harms me and mine.
Must. Resist. With. All. Fiber. Of. My. Being!!!!
Static......bzzzzzzzzz...hissssssssss....fzzzzzzzzz
DBQ, yes, shhhhhhh. That's a good girl.
Yes I am transparent. I emailed Palladian and he replied and I asked his permission to publish his email on my blog. Which I did.
Why are you telling me this? I have no idea what's on your blog.
I don't think secret emails back and forth are the way to go when it is played out in front of the world unless the party involved requests that.
Writes the owner of a closed blog where he runs down other people.
And secret emails? I just call them "emails." If there were less publicity-hounding, less faction-building, less drama, and less manipulation, I think that would be an improvement. If you have something to say to someone, you don't always need to put it on a signpost.
When you posted that the janitor was needed in that thread you illustrated what I was talking about. A simple sentence along the lines of "That was not cool Meade" would have sufficed. But that was beyond you for whatever reason.
The janitor comment was a call for an admin to come and delete the garbage.
As for Meade, you have no idea what I have or have not said to him.
Inga, that's not allowed here. Please delete.
The problem is, you say you are trying to do better, the truth is you are worse. This soup is as toxic as Althouse and has the potential to be far worse.
Inga said...
OK, you want to bring out the bitch in me, fine, Methadras.
[Personal Details Redacted]
Any more abuse? Resist with the fiber of your being Meth, seriously. How would your boss like an email from me describing your stalker like behavior on Althouse and that poll? Or perhaps a phone call would be better? Do not fuck with me.
July 23, 2013 at 2:49 PM
creeley:
"I suppose there is a risk that the current combativeness could infect the rest of the blog, but that's unlikely. That's not what I'm seeing.
I'd say that it unifies Comment Home into more of a home that's not going to go away..."
Yes, as I agreed with Madawaskan last night, it will take time to process this. Better out than in, etc.
Inga, I missed what happened to you, and I am sorry that it happened.
However, you can't do that here.
Chip A:
"The husband wanted to try something kinky so he handcuffed her to the bed and put on his outfit and cracked a whip and she burst into tears so they undid the whole setup as soon as it started"
Aw, that's a sweet story :)
Freeman, please make sure he never ever posts my daughter's or my real name again.
Inga said...
Thanks for repeating that Marshal. The more it's repeated the better. Get his name out there, LIKE HE DID MINE AND MY DAUGHTER'S
You are certainly correct that I do not know what you said to Meade. That is what I mean by a secret email.
The reason why I closed my blog was I knew what kind of people Meade and the Evil Blogger really are in real life. They would take things said out of context to use to attack and damage me as they did to Bagoh and as they are doing to Palladian now. They are simply not trustworthy. But I am truly happy that their character and that of their enablers are fully on display.
Don't listen to me. I have a dog in this fight. You look at Meade and what he is and what he does and make up your own mind.
Inga, if someone posts her name again I will do everything in my power to have it deleted as soon as is humanly possible.
Inga, I think I have supported you as much as anyone here but you need to let it go. Not every person will be a good actor, that's life.
Thank you Freeman.
Yes that's true ARM, but this asshole is trying to portray himself as a good actor here. He isn't. I haven't forgotten, I hope you all realize that if you were liberals he could've, wouldve done the same to you. He thought he had a woman who would not fight back, he was wrong.
Trooper, in major conflicts I generally go to email. In my opinion, it's better to take a brother aside privately when things are serious than to turn it into a show. Last night was serious.
...I knew what kind of people Meade and the Evil Blogger really are in real life. They would take things said out of context to use to attack and damage me
You mean like what you tried to do to me just now?
Inga said...
this asshole is trying to portray himself as a good actor here. He isn't.
He didn't post your information here. This is you continuing the bullshit.
How was it out of context?
You making assumptions and framing it as negatively as possible is the taking it out of context, taking the normal context and trying to paint it up as something sinister and ugly. I don't appreciate that.
It took me a couple seconds to remember Inga's old nom de plume ~ Allie Oop.
btw, whatever happened to I ♥ Willard, Love, Machine, etc. While searching for something else, came upon this thread:
As Romney moves up and up and up in the polls vs. Prez Obama, the more furiously Shiloh & I Love Willard & Love & Garbage Mahal & Hatboy etc will post comments here. The smell of their growing despair is evident even over the internets. ~ 2/2/12, 6:48 PM
Fun times ... if you're a liberal. It was somewhat amusing many thought I ♥ Willard was pro Romney.
Yea, fond memories if you are/were a Dem at Althouse.
As Machine said to Althouse when she was feverishly attacking some liberal, which she did on a daily basis ~ Stay classy, San Diego!
Inga said...
Freeman, please make sure he never ever posts my daughter's or my real name again.
Inga, for the last time and I will say this for the last time, I never did that and I wouldn't have done that. I've told you this before and I'm telling you again that I did not do that.
Oh dear. I've been outed. Oh well. What is truly disturbing is that you would sink to the level of actually affecting my livelihood with your pettiness. Is that what you are saying Inga? I've ignored you, not responded to you and you pull this? I don't care if my name is out there or where I work. It's public knowledge that is easily ascertained, but the fact that you would threaten my livelihood and my personal or professional relationships is something I've never seen before and would never stoop to or would ever do.
BULLSHIT. Liar, what is wrong with you?
Freeman my original point was that each of the contributors should let us know how they felt about what went on. What you just did with Inga was perfect in my opinion. You were fair to her and fair to the other party involved. You acknowledged her pain but politely asked her to move on. In an open and above board manner. That is all.
The other contributors here have also been pretty quiet about this matter. You were the only one to take it personal.
I repeat that what you just did was in my opinion exactly the right way to express the fact that you and the blog does not appreciate what happened. I salute for that. That was very well done.
Marshal said...
Inga said...
Thanks for repeating that Marshal. The more it's repeated the better. Get his name out there, LIKE HE DID MINE AND MY DAUGHTER'S
I didn't put your name out there either Inga, I just looked it up from when it was posted and your sockpuppets got put out there and in the heat of the argument I posted your Pintrest and facebook site. Something that was found on google in 2 seconds, but that's as far as I took it.
Inga, I understand that you are angry. Meade is clearly angry. Did you read his posts from the other day? Do you think his anger did anything other than hurt his reputation? You don't want to be Meade.
Inga said...
BULLSHIT. Liar, what is wrong with you?
Like I said, I'm done talking to you and you can call me a liar all you want. I never outed your daughter and didn't even know it was there. Sorry to disappoint you, but you crossed a line that even I wouldn't go into by threatening peoples livelihoods. That's beyond... So enjoy your victory, you win. You've escalated this to the point of irrationality and I'm not going to be a part of it. Words are words, but I would never threaten you with contacting your employer(s) or threatening your personal and private relationships. Please don't ever speak to me or even reference me in anything again. Ever.
Trooper, but why should they? They can if they want, certainly. But the other contributors are just fellow commenters. Not everyone participates in every thread.
Also, prior to last night there wasn't a standard policy concerning attacks using personal info. I couldn't have said last night what I just said to Inga because the rule didn't yet exist. It does now.
Fen:
"With deborah? She's the one who brought it up again, and with the typical Althousian demeanment of males:
"This is what happens when a bunch of grown men lap up being scolded
and lessoned and tempted and teased for years"
Now we're being told to just accept Deb's cheap shot and drop it?"
For the record, when I first came to Althouse I was amazed that she had such a large group of humorous, intelligent commenters. My comment was not to suggest beta male-ism, but grown men being playfully flirtatious. And now that I re-read it, I see it was a stupid thing to say, because these men gave relentless push-back against a lot of her ideas with intelligent, cogent commentary. It just seemed to slide down hill over time. The Obama/McCain election caused permanent hurt on more than one blog. As Josey Wales said, "I guess we all died a little in that damn war."
Good, do not ever reference me ever and I will do the same. I don't play games with people's lives, but when push comes to shove, you do not want to mess with my private life and especially not that of my children. EVER.
I make a serious enemy.
rh:
"all women are actresses."
and, all men are?
Inga said...
Good, do not ever reference me ever and I will do the same. I don't play games with people's lives, but when push comes to shove, you do not want to mess with my private life and especially not that of my children. EVER.
I make a serious enemy.
July 23, 2013 at 3:22 PM
If I read you wrong then I appolgize to you Freeman.
I just thought you comment was cavalier and dismissive of what you yourself termed a "serious" matter. If I read something into it that wasn't there then I apologize.
What I am trying to get at is that I think you guys have to decide what kind of blog you are setting up here. I know what my blog is. It is a setting for people to rip each other a new one and laugh and fuck around. Disparate elements as different as Sixty Grit and Ritmo can bust on each other. I know it is not for everyone. What are you guys trying to establish here?
If it is simply an echo chamber and adjunct to TOP where never is heard a discouraging word about them as Meade demands....well that's one thing. If it a place where you put up interesting topics and the commenters can opine that is something else again.
It is very early in the game to define it. It will not be easy. There will be missteps and stumbles. But and open and above board manner and direct communication will go a long way to solving that.
That is just my opinion. Thank you for listening.
ok, here's today's rhetorical question: Would the environment at Althouse been more friendly if Romney won?
Discuss ...
Indeed, it would have been Althouse Nirvana, or a reasonable facsimile thereof.
If the process is too painful, feel free to ignore me as usual.
The world would be a better place if Romney won.
Apology accepted. Thank you, Trooper.
"The world would be a better place if Romney won."
And on that we can agree!
Marshal are you a fucking parrot?
See how easy it is?
Agreeing that Obama sucks and Romney should be the President? That's always easy.
Damn, I brought up a subject all conservatives can agree upon.
Kumbaya!
Shiloh, as the liberal here right now, you can play the guitar.
shiloh said...
ok, here's today's rhetorical question: Would the environment at Althouse been more friendly if Romney won?
Discuss ...
Indeed, it would have been Althouse Nirvana, or a reasonable facsimile thereof.
If the process is too painful, feel free to ignore me as usual.
Actually I think people would have been fairly critical of Romney and his pending policies. Because if he was president, right about now, he would be getting plans to implement his tax cutting strategies and hopefully find ways to balance budgets and begin the process of curtailing the size of government. I also believe he would have been attacked, full court press on repealing Urklecare and even getting flak from Republicans over it.
Or, he would be seen as continuing the policies already put into place and you would probably be seeing recall movements in short order.
How come we never discuss or critique POTUS on these threads?
Michael row the boat ashore, hallelujah
Michael row the boat ashore, hallelujah
Sister help to trim the sail, hallelujah
Sister help to trim the sail, hallelujah
El Pollo Raylan said...
How come we never discuss or critique POTUS on these threads?
What's he done in the last week? Dog days of summer.
El Pollo, I feel like POTUS has passed the threshold of badness where his foibles can no longer hold interest.
"Obama sucks? I already know Obama sucks. I have hundreds of reasons to think he sucks. Never need to hear another Obama sucks story again."
Please leave Michelle out of it.
Enough with the personal attacks already!
Inga said...
Marshal are you a fucking parrot?
July 23, 2013 at 3:33 PM
Just recording the crazy.
Good. I have lots and lots of screen shots Marshal. Plus a court order to subpoena certain things wouldn't be all that difficult.
What's he done in the last week? Dog days of summer.
Althouse would have easily found something negative to post re: Obama.
solo estoy diciendo
Again, she knew where her bread was buttered ... Would go so far as to say Fox News was jealous of her 24/7 negativity.
ok, may be exaggerating ... a tad.
Inga, You are hopeless. You are like that monk who burned himself alive to protest the war. Maybe he was right, but Jesus, what a mess. Of course one difference was he only burned up once. You're up to half a dozen times now on two different blogs. You already did it over there, why here too? You brought it up simply because someone gave another commenter a complement. That's dysfunctional. LET IT GO!
Inga said...
Good. I have lots and lots of screen shots Marshal. Plus a court order to subpoena certain things wouldn't be all that difficult.
July 23, 2013 at 3:46 PM
Has anyone ever told you one of the signs is an inability to keep things in perspective?
Inga, were you insufferable your entire life, or just recently?
OK IAS AT TOP, TOP, NISIM "the other place," ITR? IS, IWTSHMTCB.
My dear Bagoh, I have received no mea culpas, no apologies. And when certain people get on here and act as of they are reasonable and equitable, it galls me, turns my stomach. So many of you turned a blind eye to blatent abuse. You folks NEEDED shaming. And now that my former stalker has said he would no longer abuse me I can put it behind me.
Now I suggest YOU drop it, then I will too.
Shiloh, only since commenting on Althouse.
Bender as we used to say in the navy:
Whiskey
Tango
Foxtrot
Oscar
and my personal fav ~ BOHICA.
Roger Oveur, Oveur Dunn.
"only since commenting on Althouse."
Then there's a simple solution to your problem.
I like to think of myself as a solution oriented counselor.
This isn't Althouse, there appear to be some rules here. So I think I'll stay. Are you going somewhere Shiloh?
shiloh said...
Althouse would have easily found something negative to post re: Obama.
Again, she knew where her bread was buttered ... Would go so far as to say Fox News was jealous of her 24/7 negativity.
Althouse wants a better left. You might think about why that bothered you so much.
Yeah, not a big fan of acronyms, or textspeak either. Orwell was right about that.
The gist of it is that I only just got what TOP means. Or at least what I think it means.
Let it go Marshal, it's dysfunctional to rehash Althouse issues for day after endless day, after day, after day, after day. She's not going to apologize either.
Inga said...
Let it go Marshal, it's dysfunctional to rehash Althouse issues for day after endless day, after day, after day, after day. She's not going to apologize either.
I'm not talking about Althouse, I'm talking about Shiloh. So that's pretty amusing advice from you of all people.
Marshal, I know you have issues with understanding nuance, but I was TRYING to be ironic.
Nirvana? If Kurt Cobain lived, he would have made some more great music. Which we would be listening too.
Inga said...
Marshal, I know you have issues with understanding nuance, but I was TRYING to be ironic.
If you get rid of the crazy maybe we could tell the difference.
Marshal, are you my former stalker's sockpuppet?
Inga said...
Marshal, are you my former stalker's sockpuppet?
Why don't you call my boss and ask?
Inga tries to pump irony: chirbit
I imagine spending your career working on a psych ward skews your view of sanity. However, we all have a pretty good grasp on what is sane and insane. And, we're seeing obsessive lunacy in action.
Hey Kurt would have been dead anyway.
That drunken peroxide blond bitch would have killed him by now with her bullshit.
Marshal, there would've no need unless you post private info about me and my family on a public forum.
Spinelli, wasn't it you that threatened to kill himself on the Althouse blog if Meade kept deleting him? Wasn't it I that actually told Meade and Alhouse that they were being cruel to you? Oh my how quickly we forget.
Talk about lunacy. Kill yourself because someone deletes you repeatedly? Beyond weird.
Deleting you, Spinelli.
Inga said...
Marshal, there would've no need unless you post private info about me and my family on a public forum.
Drop the victim posing. You're the one constantly bringing it up.
Bully Victim Bully Victim, if you do no recognize the difference you have a serious problem, Marshal.
Sanity is also understanding hyperbole and satire. The song lyrics, "If you don't love me I'll kill myself," did not result in the singer's suicide.
Inga said...
Bully Victim Bully Victim, if you do no recognize the difference you have a serious problem, Marshal.
Not only do I know that difference I also know the difference between victims and poseurs.
Spinelli, you were distraught that Meade was repeatedly deleting you and then Meade actually reposted stuff you deleted yourself. I came to your defense on that super long thread after the first big blow up with Trooper. You stated on the Althouse blog hat you would kill yourself if he deleted to again. I was seriously worried about you and told Althouse and Meade they were being cruel to you. I guess I could go look it up.
No good deed goes unpunished, eh?
It was NOT satire Spinelli.
I think I'm beginning to learn: Once certain name(s) show up in the comments, the discussion is over, and anyone wishing to avoid getting splashed by the flinging poo should just move on.
I'm off to the showers.
Lots of old shit to clean up Eileen, perhaps you should stay out of it.
Remind you of anyone Eileen?
We have discussed this all previously a year or so post Bloody Sunday. At that time you seemed to get it[satire], and were angry you came to my defense, which I understand. I believe most others understood the sick humor @ the time. This conversation about this specific topic is regressing over the last couple years. It is a metaphor for sure.
Years and years worth of toxic shit on the Althouse blog. Obviously it will take years to clean up, if ever. I'm done. I'm out. I've said what I wanted to and shamed those who needed it. My work is done.
Thank god.
Once certain name(s) show up in the comments, the discussion is over, and anyone wishing to avoid getting splashed by the flinging poo should just move on.
You learn fast.
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