Freeman Hunt said... Internally, people have immediate reactions to things. That's tough to choose at the moment of an event, but the pattern can be affected over time. Long term internal states are mostly chosen, I think. External states, apart from true reflexes, can be almost entirely chosen, in my opinion. (Then those go to affecting the pattern of internal states and so on.)
July 15, 2013 at 4:51 PM
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Hopefully I am not pestering you but I am always immensely interested in this type of topic.
That brings up a ton of more questions--but I think I'm bordering on being unfair by putting you on the spot.
I also hope you aren't offended by my use of the term--"unusual" there was a better term.
I too need to clone a hd disk to a larger hd disk. The last time I attempted that ( I forgot what software I used) I failed and ended up having to rebuild the new hard drive from the recovery disk. Are there concise instructions from Clonezilla ,on how to do it?
ampersand: There are concise but barely-adequate instructions. I managed with the links at TechRepublic and Clonezilla.org.
It wasn't as hairy as I expected, but I wouldn't recommend it to a civilian. As theribbonguy chortled, "it's linux," and that means you're expected to know much priestly lore before you meddle in the affairs of wizards.
I do see some youtubes for stepping viewers through Clonezilla. YMMV.
Look what Ann has spawned. There is now an Althouse diaspora of blogging communities. Years hence some notable commenters will be known for how they cut their commenting teeth at Althouse.
No, I remember him as sometimes impatient with people because he was just so far ahead of them, intellectually, but he was always a gentleman
Not always. I haven't seen many of the movies, but my fave clip is when he and Watson have been called to the house of a man who has been terribly frightened. Holmes stoops down to eye-level and gazes for a few seconds into his shaken, shocked face and then bursts out a short, sharp laugh. It was perfect.
Don't go by the movies (or that God-awful PBS thing), go by the original stories.
One of my faves, the Adventure of the Speckled Band, has a young woman coming to 221B for help; she's tentative, afraid.
The ever-observant Holmes pushes back the heavily-laced cuff of her sleeve to reveal a hand in which all the fingers have been broken off, "Madam, you have been cruelly used", the supposedly woman-hating Holmes breathes in outrage.
Of course not. You were passed out in a puddle of your own pee, surrounded by empty bourbon bottles, spent casings, and dead men. Typical Freeman Hunt.
In addition to many commenters who don't care when they are being very offensive to others there are those who apparently just don't realize how they sound to others. It's always a problem where commenters gather. Definitely a problem at Althouse.
I believe capital "S" Stoicism, a la Epictetus, Seneca, Arrian, et al, is unnatural for all, and hard work for anyone. But it's hard for me, so perhaps I would say that.
Thanks, creeley. Hey, I completely crashed (blue screen of death) may Dad's Inspiron One 2305. Do you imagine someplace like safer networking forum could talk me through it, or will I have to take it to Staples (is that safe?) or call Geek Squad?
deborah: It depends on how bad the problem is and how comfortable you are working on computers. Also, on whether there is important data to rescue.
If you're backed up and it doesn't look like a hardware problem plus you have a recovery disk or you can hit F8 or some key to get to the recovery partition, then you can try that.
I don't know about the safer networking forum. From what I've heard Geek Squad's OK, but they may not be able to do much for you unless you're willing to pay a couple hundred dollars. With current hardware being so cheap, that's a tricky decision.
If you've got a hacker friend willing to consult, that's a good start.
Not anymore. So now everyone is happy. That was easy. Next problem, the economy.
We just need Ann to fire the President, and Lem can move in to the White House. I would be willing to try that. I don't know much about Lem or his qualifications, but that's how we do it now anyway. At least we know what we're getting rid of: the worst recovery in history.
Obama is like Althouse in that from what he says, I'm pretty sure he despises me, so Lem is more likely to appreciate what I bring to the party along with my bitter clinging and victimhood.
Oh, I thought you were talking about the movies. I read quite a bit (all?) of Holmes in my teens and twenties. I don't remember that particular incident...but I can see it completely in character.
I had no problem with using the Althouse portal. If Lem puts one up, I would be happy to make my Amazon purchases via his portal. And thanks Lem, for doing this.
If you wanna hear Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass play that Casino Royale theme without the insipid lyrics, you can see the opening credits, with theme, here.
Elmer Gantry: I have here in my pocket - and thank heaven you can't see them - lewd, dirty, obscene, and I'm ashamed to say this: French postcards. They were sold to me in front of your own innocent high school by a man with a black beard... a foreigner (Elmer Gantry, 1960)
The opening credits for a Bond movie are special, having that rare ability to get you excited for what's coming. It gets you in the mood for a sexy ride through danger, adventure, and humor.
It seems that what Freeman Hunt is espousing is basic self control. Just because you're angry doesn't mean you should explode with rage externally. Maybe it's because I'm confronted daily by 2 & 4 yr olds' tantrums, but to me what she describes is called being a grown up.
Oh and Lem, thanks for doing this. Long time lurker, very rare commenter. But I missed the Althouse commenting community, even if I was just lurking about the edges.
I agree with lightcat. I think what Freeman is referencing is emotional maturity. This self restraint was until recently a condition of adulthood, particularly of the male variety.
Freeman is herself a perfect example of this in her commenting.
" all pull our weight and hit Lem's PayPal widget"
I knocked that bitch off the wall. But I'd rather have an Amazon portal so I have some excuse for buying a bunch of crap I don't need. I really like just getting a box with my name on it every once in awhile. I imagine it came from someone mysterious and sexy who wants me with an uncontrollable passion, which it actually does. I just wish it was another such person.
"Obama is like Althouse in that from what he says, I'm pretty sure he despises me, so Lem is more likely to appreciate what I bring to the party along with my bitter clinging and victimhood."
Careful with those Obama is like Althouse comparisons. Don't give him any ideas about shutting down comments.
In the 1970s the entertainment industry wasn't in lock step with the government. The result: entertainment. Now we get PSAs.
The selfish and emotional overreactions to minor problems came from homo-haters and self-identifying members of the Men's Victimology Movement. I got sick of them and so did she.
Who would those people be Meade? Just saying it doesn't make it true.
I watched the Althouse vlog. She said, "I, Me or My," 111 times. Broken down, she referred to herself every 6 seconds. That is a prima facie case for a diagnosis of narcissism. When we cut through all the shit and vitriol, isn't that the 800lb. gorilla in the room? And, narcissists never get better, or stay the same, they just get worse.
"Of late, very often. There was a long hard time when I kept far from me, the remembrance of what I had thrown away when I was quite ignorant of its worth.
"I am tired," said Miss Havisham. "I want diversion, and I have done with men and women. Play."
"What have I done! What have I done!" She wrung her hands, and crushed her white hair, and returned to this cry over and over again. "What have I done!"
"I don't know that Tertullian's style always worked in favor of his ideas."
Or particularly reflected Jesus, though he also had a bit of a sharp wit on occasion. And Tertullian had his turn towards heresy, so not a good example in that regard either.
Also, I love that when I asked that question, I suspected that you may have read his works, and am delighted that its true. It's this sort of thing that kept me commenting on Althouse.
"basic self control." Isn't this the concept that set off the commenting implosion. People having self-control is a very offensive suggestion. Possibly anti-human.
Nick Thanks for the info on your wife's book. Bagoh too.
I just bought it on Amazon. I'll have it on Thursday. I expect to be in Milwaukee next week and will be coming over to Mad Town at some point. I would love to have her autograph it.
Nick, other than using the royal, "We," what was she supposed to do? These were questions directed to her, about her and about her work, her plans, her feelings and opinions.
Narcissism is when Obama gives the go ahead to take out Bin Laden and makes it seem like he is the most important part of the operation because he uses "I" over and over again in his announcement. Or when he constantly uses "I" when speaking of decisions involving scores and hundreds of people if not the whole nation rather than "we".
My left hand knew exactly what my right hand was doing - not out of a pious seeking of praise from others - but from wanting Lem to get a buck or two for all the time he has to spend herding all the free-riding food-throwing puke-hurling beta cats around here.
So now someone who doesn't agree with your donation advocacy is painted with this characterization? Is this for real? Coming from you? Some could make the argument that you are the very description of what you just reflected to the rest of those you think have slighted Lem by not wanting to cough up cash in your attention seeking way. You know what Meade, that's great that you donated to Lem. Did anyone else need to know? Does anyone else really care?
I did it purely out of self interest:
Self interest is usually silent and modest. You displayed neither and when challenged on it, you are lashing out.
The longer he's able to keep this gig going, the longer I will be free from the homo-hating hominids and crybaby male movementists emailing their tantrums to me over Althouse finally (thank heaven) turning off the odious sewerage of comments at her blog.
Two words need to be thrown your way: Fuck you. You don't get to call anyone who doesn't agree with you on this point a homo-hating anything. What your wife does with her blog is her business, same goes for Lem I'm sure. The distinction it seems is that his skin, unlike collectively both of yours appears to be thicker and more resilient to such sewerage. You're preening is very metro beta-male.
Now, would a buck or two for Lem's administrative efforts really kill you?
See, now you are just being a passive aggressive asshole. And to answer your question, no it wouldn't kill me and I assume anyone else. The distinction is that people do not like having your particular brand of sanctimony used against them as a means by which that money flows from us to him. You aren't the arbiter of our cash, we are. And frankly, your insipid attacks on who is a hater and how doesn't toe the line for the agenda set in your household as a reflection of those that disagree with it is bullshit. Stop doing it, Meade. It's unseemly and you have traveled into sanctimonious schmuck territory. You don't know shit. Keep it that way.
Sonny: Mickey Mantle? Is that what you're upset about? Mickey Mantle makes $100,000 a year. How much does your father make? You don't know? Well, see if your father can't pay the rent go ask Mickey Mantle and see what he tells you. Mickey Mantle don't care about you, so why should you care about him? Nobody cares. ( A Bronx Tale, 1993)
Do people of faith, Christianity to be specific, tend to be stoics? What of the fire and brimstone types?
Those are Southern Baptists and Pentecostals. Unless you have a stomach for their type of doom, then I'd say fine a more refined brand of the saviors grace.
ndspinelli said... I watched the Althouse vlog. She said, "I, Me or My," 111 times. Broken down, she referred to herself every 6 seconds. That is a prima facie case for a diagnosis of narcissism. When we cut through all the shit and vitriol, isn't that the 800lb. gorilla in the room? And, narcissists never get better, or stay the same, they just get worse.
We are witnessing a Charles Johnson style meltdown with Meade.
Very unfortunate. I always liked Laurence.
This was the Meade everyone liked. Now you can see what Meade has become. Or was he always this way? Where is that Meade that we all knew from the commentariat?
Paddy, the times when I've written something absolutely scathing and deleted it before posting, and those times have been legion, it's always been on account of Christ. Always. At first it was very difficult. "But I'm good with the word knives! Now what?"
"Who's your neighbor? Is the man at the other screen your neighbor?"
Okay.
I find that as long as I listen to that consistently, the temptation lessens and lessens. But sometimes, though I hope less and less often, I give in, and then, in addition to immediate regret, there's that prowling lion pacing about, encouraging a replay. Yow!
Where is that Meade that we all knew from the commentariat?
I have followed Althouse from the beginning, but the work that was done by Meade and Ann during the recall was awesome. They remained calm and dignified in the face of all manner of screaming and generally awful behavior. Their coverage was better than anything the Milwaukee news rooms could conjure, and I was grateful as a Wisconsinite for their fine and tireless work.
I don't know how they go from that to the juvenile name calling (cry babies,puke hurling beta cats, etc.)now. It is a dramatic and sad fall for a man I admired.
beta rube wrote: I don't know how they go from that to the juvenile name calling (cry babies,puke hurling beta cats, etc.)now. It is a dramatic and sad fall for a man I admired.
I would cut Meade some slack; he may have just been paraphrasing Althouse.
So Inga, you would bed a chubby maid in lieu of young, lithe, Hollywood wannabes, speak with a thick accent, and, presumably, carry the burden of your steroid ravaged genitals at all times.
Aristotle defined a meek person as one who is angry on the right occasion and with the right people and at the right moment and for the right length of time.
In the Greek world of biblical times the word for meekness was also used to describe domesticated animals that had been trained to obey a command and to accept control. A man or woman of meekness has his or her life under control, especially the emotions.
I believe stoics believed that to feel was to be controlled by emotions and the things that triggered them. I would be willing to bet that does not describe Freeman but I'd have to ask her family and friends.
Well, the name of the blog is Althouse. Remember when she did podcast's and talked about herself for an hour? It was part of her popularity.
Her blogs success was originally due to people wanting to hear her opinions about things. Later, her commentators added to it, maybe even overshadowed her, but its really all about her.
That's what personal blogs are about. Its like criticizing an autobiographer for writing too much about themselves.
Bagoh, not to belabor the point, but she was asked personal questions about her thoughts, attitudes and opinions. Thus ONE does not know nor is ONE able to imagine with what pronouns Ms. Althouse might have responded in her circumstance let alone how WE might also similarly respond, other than to imagine that ONE might adapt ONE'S answers in the manner of the use of self-deflecting Britishisms, if ONE might term them, that ONE would surely find, WE in the States are loathe to do.
Trying to be stoic, I am thinking internally of course, "what an ass!" --------------------- "Additionally, if someone flames you online, it's probably going to be stupid, so why feel upset about it?"
"The Stoics would have held that woman were inferior precisely because they were ruled by passions or as we would call them emotions."
Thanks. That sounds like what my professor was saying. But I probably got sidetracked with the linkage of "Women and passion" into another train of thought.
I'm glad to see so many familiar names. I thought that they had all evaporated into the aethernet, and I would no longer be able to keep abreast of the latest critical thinking on Tertullian......Althouse has gathered a coterie of intelligent commenters. It would be a shame for such a group to disappear. Sometimes when I see the comments on You Tube, I despair for the future of humanity. Less so on Althouse.....Does a coterie decay or evolve into an entourage?
seems that everyone is long gone but I'm happy to see so many familiar names here. It's great to see Trooper York; I am really sad that his blog is only open to members. I really loved that blog.
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But have you done Titus in your Jack Nicholson voice yet?
Grapes of Wrath
Freeman Hunt said...
Internally, people have immediate reactions to things. That's tough to choose at the moment of an event, but the pattern can be affected over time. Long term internal states are mostly chosen, I think. External states, apart from true reflexes, can be almost entirely chosen, in my opinion. (Then those go to affecting the pattern of internal states and so on.)
July 15, 2013 at 4:51 PM
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Hopefully I am not pestering you but I am always immensely interested in this type of topic.
That brings up a ton of more questions--but I think I'm bordering on being unfair by putting you on the spot.
I also hope you aren't offended by my use of the term--"unusual" there was a better term.
The English--it still defeats us semi French.
I only mean that after reading something there is a difference between thinking, "What a jerk!" and thinking and writing, "What a jerk!"
I too need to clone a hd disk to a larger hd disk. The last time I attempted that ( I forgot what software I used) I failed and ended up having to rebuild the new hard drive from the recovery disk. Are there concise instructions from Clonezilla ,on how to do it?
ampersand: There are concise but barely-adequate instructions. I managed with the links at TechRepublic and Clonezilla.org.
It wasn't as hairy as I expected, but I wouldn't recommend it to a civilian. As theribbonguy chortled, "it's linux," and that means you're expected to know much priestly lore before you meddle in the affairs of wizards.
I do see some youtubes for stepping viewers through Clonezilla. YMMV.
I think Victor Cruz is inclined to agree with Freeman today.
Deborah, you told me that my Paul Lynde sounds like Jack Nicholson. I did a few of Titus as Paul Lynde.
But here's a different one for the ladies and for Meade. It's a little twisted (inspired by Archie Campbell) but the story should be familiar. link
El Pollo Raylan said...
@Madawaskan: If you liked that, you'll like the one I did of Cedarford: link
In fact, there are over 70 highly collectable Althouse-related chirbits. Just follow the links.
July 15, 2013 at 5:02 PM
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Omg--I am so there.
I adored the first and obviously you know my bete noire.
btw I was once hospitalized with a fever of 106--so I forgot most of what I wish I could remember from Showalter/
I use to be Smaht, Marty--cripes now I can't even remember that Godfather line.
I even took organic chemistry for two years and it's all fried.
*poof*--that's my excuse and I am going to hang on to the myth that I once had more synapses firing.
Look what Ann has spawned. There is now an Althouse diaspora of blogging communities. Years hence some notable commenters will be known for how they cut their commenting teeth at Althouse.
I for one welcome our new Overlord Lem.
Additionally, if someone flames you online, it's probably going to be stupid, so why feel upset about it?
Well, though I haven't been a very prolific commenter at Meadehouse recently, it's nice to see notes from some familiar faces hereabouts. I think.
Cheers!
Chick, I meant to make your Paul Lynde into Jack Nicholson and do Titus...pls.
deborah said...
No, I remember him as sometimes impatient with people because he was just so far ahead of them, intellectually, but he was always a gentleman
Not always. I haven't seen many of the movies, but my fave clip is when he and Watson have been called to the house of a man who has been terribly frightened. Holmes stoops down to eye-level and gazes for a few seconds into his shaken, shocked face and then bursts out a short, sharp laugh. It was perfect.
Don't go by the movies (or that God-awful PBS thing), go by the original stories.
One of my faves, the Adventure of the Speckled Band, has a young woman coming to 221B for help; she's tentative, afraid.
The ever-observant Holmes pushes back the heavily-laced cuff of her sleeve to reveal a hand in which all the fingers have been broken off, "Madam, you have been cruelly used", the supposedly woman-hating Holmes breathes in outrage.
My ancestors were part of the Irish Famine diaspora, but I never thought I'd get the chance to join one. Cool!!
PS About that new avatar...
Do you fly jets or just props?
Freeman: "I don't remember this at all."
Of course not. You were passed out in a puddle of your own pee, surrounded by empty bourbon bottles, spent casings, and dead men. Typical Freeman Hunt.
Long term internal states are mostly chosen, I think. External states, apart from true reflexes, can be almost entirely chosen, in my opinion.
Freeman: Welcome to Stoicism, friend.
"But here's a different one for the ladies and for Meade. It's a little twisted (inspired by Archie Campbell) but the story should be familiar. link"
LOL fabulous.
Freeman Hunt said...
Additionally, if someone flames you online, it's probably going to be stupid, so why feel upset about it?
July 15, 2013 at 5:16 PM
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Well IIRC you had set up a blog with that person so I thought it would be a little different from just a random flaming.
So when Althouse made her post that upset a lot of the commenters--you felt that she was in control of what she wrote?
Typical Freeman Hunt.
Yep, slipping through realities again.
In addition to many commenters who don't care when they are being very offensive to others there are those who apparently just don't realize how they sound to others. It's always a problem where commenters gather. Definitely a problem at Althouse.
Stoicism comes naturally to some, others have to work very hard at it.
I believe capital "S" Stoicism, a la Epictetus, Seneca, Arrian, et al, is unnatural for all, and hard work for anyone. But it's hard for me, so perhaps I would say that.
The Burroughs/Meade chirbit was spot-on!
I remember the first time I heard Burroughs on some LP and he growled, "What are you doing over there with the apes?"
Indeed.
Stoicism comes naturally to some, others have to work very hard at it.
Others don't see the point or benefits of being a stoic.
Although I miss commenting on althouse, I have noticed that her own explanations are a lot more extensive, and I'm glad of that.
@Deborah: I don't do requests, but I made an exception for you: Here's Titus!
Freeman: Welcome to Stoicism, friend.
But I'm no pantheist. And I don't think that all emotions, even negative emotions, are bad.
But do I believe in the stiff upper lip? Sure.
Oh gawd El Pollo I'm laughing so hard at the Titus thing my face hurts.
I should add: to a point.
Thanks, creeley. Hey, I completely crashed (blue screen of death) may Dad's Inspiron One 2305. Do you imagine someplace like safer networking forum could talk me through it, or will I have to take it to Staples (is that safe?) or call Geek Squad?
deborah: It depends on how bad the problem is and how comfortable you are working on computers. Also, on whether there is important data to rescue.
If you're backed up and it doesn't look like a hardware problem plus you have a recovery disk or you can hit F8 or some key to get to the recovery partition, then you can try that.
I don't know about the safer networking forum. From what I've heard Geek Squad's OK, but they may not be able to do much for you unless you're willing to pay a couple hundred dollars. With current hardware being so cheap, that's a tricky decision.
If you've got a hacker friend willing to consult, that's a good start.
"Definitely a problem at Althouse."
Not anymore. So now everyone is happy. That was easy. Next problem, the economy.
We just need Ann to fire the President, and Lem can move in to the White House. I would be willing to try that. I don't know much about Lem or his qualifications, but that's how we do it now anyway. At least we know what we're getting rid of: the worst recovery in history.
Obama is like Althouse in that from what he says, I'm pretty sure he despises me, so Lem is more likely to appreciate what I bring to the party along with my bitter clinging and victimhood.
I'm off--but the Paul Lynde channeling Titus-
Ha!
Man remember when we was telling us about the time he stole some guy's shirt or shoes
Or he took a dump in some guy's shoes that were out in the hallway?
Good times. Good times.
Gawd--LOL!
Thanks El Pollo.
@madawaskan & Deborah: This one is a couple months old but seems prophetic now.
You Cannot Petition Althouse With Comment
"But do I believe in the stiff upper lip?"
What, what.
Chip, that petition one is just great.
Christianity mostly doesn't allow meting out rhetorical evisceration.
(lol ed)
Oh, I thought you were talking about the movies. I read quite a bit (all?)
of Holmes in my teens and twenties. I don't remember that particular incident...but I can see it completely in character.
Thanks, Creeley :)
Do people of faith, Christianity to be specific, tend to be stoics? What of the fire and brimstone types?
I had no problem with using the Althouse portal. If Lem puts one up, I would be happy to make my Amazon purchases via his portal. And thanks Lem, for doing this.
If you wanna hear Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass play that Casino Royale theme without the insipid lyrics, you can see the opening credits, with theme, here.
Elmer Gantry: I have here in my pocket - and thank heaven you can't see them - lewd, dirty, obscene, and I'm ashamed to say this: French postcards. They were sold to me in front of your own innocent high school by a man with a black beard... a foreigner
(Elmer Gantry, 1960)
Oh, lol
I did listen to El Pollo's chirbit.
Genius.
You are a hot nerd, Raylan.
Thanks for the Titus, chick, hilarious! Your Buckley impression is quite good is unbelievably good.
The opening credits for a Bond movie are special, having that rare ability to get you excited for what's coming. It gets you in the mood for a sexy ride through danger, adventure, and humor.
I just keep getting more and more enamored with the past, especially the culture of the 60s and 70's when I was growing up. It all seems so improbable now. It required a naïveté born of near unblemished success in all things. The success of WWII, and science and modernity culminated in the entertainment world in a way that may never be seen again. Even during the most serious times and with serious subjects, entertainment seem to be able to rise up and fly above it in true escapism. We are all too tightly wound today for that.
LOL, Pollo, that stuff's gold. I'd buy your album.
It seems that what Freeman Hunt is espousing is basic self control. Just because you're angry doesn't mean you should explode with rage externally. Maybe it's because I'm confronted daily by 2 & 4 yr olds' tantrums, but to me what she describes is called being a grown up.
Oh and Lem, thanks for doing this. Long time lurker, very rare commenter. But I missed the Althouse commenting community, even if I was just lurking about the edges.
I agree with lightcat. I think what Freeman is referencing is emotional maturity. This self restraint was until recently a condition of adulthood, particularly of the male variety.
Freeman is herself a perfect example of this in her commenting.
To my recollection, I have never been flamed. I can't explain it, because I've been asking for it. Man up, you bunch of losers.
" all pull our weight and hit Lem's PayPal widget"
I knocked that bitch off the wall. But I'd rather have an Amazon portal so I have some excuse for buying a bunch of crap I don't need. I really like just getting a box with my name on it every once in awhile. I imagine it came from someone mysterious and sexy who wants me with an uncontrollable passion, which it actually does. I just wish it was another such person.
@madawaskan, dbora, darcy, yashu: thanks!
@ lightcat
Good follow up to Freeman. You seem to be new here. Come back again.
"Obama is like Althouse in that from what he says, I'm pretty sure he despises me, so Lem is more likely to appreciate what I bring to the party along with my bitter clinging and victimhood."
Careful with those Obama is like Althouse comparisons. Don't give him any ideas about shutting down comments.
In the 1970s the entertainment industry wasn't in lock step with the government. The result: entertainment. Now we get PSAs.
"meting out rhetorical evisceration"
Have you read Tertullian? He goes for the guts again and again. The beginning of his Against Marcion is a particularly good example.
Meade said...
The selfish and emotional overreactions to minor problems came from homo-haters and self-identifying members of the Men's Victimology Movement. I got sick of them and so did she.
Who would those people be Meade? Just saying it doesn't make it true.
I watched the Althouse vlog. She said, "I, Me or My," 111 times. Broken down, she referred to herself every 6 seconds. That is a prima facie case for a diagnosis of narcissism. When we cut through all the shit and vitriol, isn't that the 800lb. gorilla in the room? And, narcissists never get better, or stay the same, they just get worse.
Have you read Tertullian? He goes for the guts again and again. The beginning of his Against Marcion is a particularly good example.
Yes. There are times that made me put in the word "mostly." Also, I don't know that Tertullian's style always worked in favor of his ideas.
It seems that what Freeman Hunt is espousing is basic self control. Just because you're angry doesn't mean you should explode with rage externally
Lightcat explained it more clearly than I did.
"Of late, very often. There was a long hard time when I kept far from me, the remembrance of what I had thrown away when I was quite ignorant of its worth.
"I am tired," said Miss
Havisham. "I want diversion, and I have done with men and women.
Play."
"What have I done! What have I done!" She wrung her hands, and crushed her white hair, and returned to this cry over and over again. "What have I done!"
~ Great Expectations
"I don't know that Tertullian's style always worked in favor of his ideas."
Or particularly reflected Jesus, though he also had a bit of a sharp wit on occasion. And Tertullian had his turn towards heresy, so not a good example in that regard either.
Also, I love that when I asked that question, I suspected that you may have read his works, and am delighted that its true. It's this sort of thing that kept me commenting on Althouse.
"basic self control."
Isn't this the concept that set off the commenting implosion. People having self-control is a very offensive suggestion. Possibly anti-human.
Nick
Thanks for the info on your wife's book. Bagoh too.
I just bought it on Amazon. I'll have it on Thursday. I expect to be in Milwaukee next week and will be coming over to Mad Town at some point. I would love to have her autograph it.
Nick, other than using the royal, "We," what was she supposed to do? These were questions directed to her, about her and about her work, her plans, her feelings and opinions.
Narcissism is when Obama gives the go ahead to take out Bin Laden and makes it seem like he is the most important part of the operation because he uses "I" over and over again in his announcement. Or when he constantly uses "I" when speaking of decisions involving scores and hundreds of people if not the whole nation rather than "we".
Caplight, I think you just reinforced Nicks point. Taking credit for the work of a lot of people is something they may have in common.
Meade said...
My left hand knew exactly what my right hand was doing - not out of a pious seeking of praise from others - but from wanting Lem to get a buck or two for all the time he has to spend herding all the free-riding food-throwing puke-hurling beta cats around here.
So now someone who doesn't agree with your donation advocacy is painted with this characterization? Is this for real? Coming from you? Some could make the argument that you are the very description of what you just reflected to the rest of those you think have slighted Lem by not wanting to cough up cash in your attention seeking way. You know what Meade, that's great that you donated to Lem. Did anyone else need to know? Does anyone else really care?
I did it purely out of self interest:
Self interest is usually silent and modest. You displayed neither and when challenged on it, you are lashing out.
The longer he's able to keep this gig going, the longer I will be free from the homo-hating hominids and crybaby male movementists emailing their tantrums to me over Althouse finally (thank heaven) turning off the odious sewerage of comments at her blog.
Two words need to be thrown your way: Fuck you. You don't get to call anyone who doesn't agree with you on this point a homo-hating anything. What your wife does with her blog is her business, same goes for Lem I'm sure. The distinction it seems is that his skin, unlike collectively both of yours appears to be thicker and more resilient to such sewerage. You're preening is very metro beta-male.
Now, would a buck or two for Lem's administrative efforts really kill you?
See, now you are just being a passive aggressive asshole. And to answer your question, no it wouldn't kill me and I assume anyone else. The distinction is that people do not like having your particular brand of sanctimony used against them as a means by which that money flows from us to him. You aren't the arbiter of our cash, we are. And frankly, your insipid attacks on who is a hater and how doesn't toe the line for the agenda set in your household as a reflection of those that disagree with it is bullshit. Stop doing it, Meade. It's unseemly and you have traveled into sanctimonious schmuck territory. You don't know shit. Keep it that way.
We are witnessing a Charles Johnson style meltdown with Meade.
Very unfortunate. I always liked Laurence.
Sonny: Mickey Mantle? Is that what you're upset about? Mickey Mantle makes $100,000 a year. How much does your father make? You don't know? Well, see if your father can't pay the rent go ask Mickey Mantle and see what he tells you. Mickey Mantle don't care about you, so why should you care about him? Nobody cares.
( A Bronx Tale, 1993)
fionamcgee said...
Do people of faith, Christianity to be specific, tend to be stoics? What of the fire and brimstone types?
Those are Southern Baptists and Pentecostals. Unless you have a stomach for their type of doom, then I'd say fine a more refined brand of the saviors grace.
omg the william f buckmo
Dying!
ndspinelli said...
I watched the Althouse vlog. She said, "I, Me or My," 111 times. Broken down, she referred to herself every 6 seconds. That is a prima facie case for a diagnosis of narcissism. When we cut through all the shit and vitriol, isn't that the 800lb. gorilla in the room? And, narcissists never get better, or stay the same, they just get worse.
July 15, 2013 at 7:33 PM
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Yikes! I might have to go check the vid out.
@madawaskan: context/script for the Buckmo chirbit: link
Beta Rube said...
We are witnessing a Charles Johnson style meltdown with Meade.
Very unfortunate. I always liked Laurence.
This was the Meade everyone liked. Now you can see what Meade has become. Or was he always this way? Where is that Meade that we all knew from the commentariat?
El Pollo
Thanks I did miss the inspiration for that--but it is still funny as hell without the context.
Deborah is right--you're William F. Buckley is killer!
"free-riding food-throwing puke-hurling beta cats"
For the record, I for one do not hurl puke. I place it where unsuspecting bystanders will step in it.
@madawaskan: To chirbit, is to recite the actual words of another in voice chosen to juxtapose different (often contrasting) character.
@madawaskan: That's why it works (for me) to voice Althouse's mellifluous voice as a gravelly scold.
Paddy, the times when I've written something absolutely scathing and deleted it before posting, and those times have been legion, it's always been on account of Christ. Always. At first it was very difficult. "But I'm good with the word knives! Now what?"
"Who's your neighbor? Is the man at the other screen your neighbor?"
Okay.
I find that as long as I listen to that consistently, the temptation lessens and lessens. But sometimes, though I hope less and less often, I give in, and then, in addition to immediate regret, there's that prowling lion pacing about, encouraging a replay. Yow!
Where is that Meade that we all knew from the commentariat?
I have followed Althouse from the beginning, but the work that was done by Meade and Ann during the recall was awesome. They remained calm and dignified in the face of all manner of screaming and generally awful behavior. Their coverage was better than anything the Milwaukee news rooms could conjure, and I was grateful as a Wisconsinite for their fine and tireless work.
I don't know how they go from that to the juvenile name calling (cry babies,puke hurling beta cats, etc.)now. It is a dramatic and sad fall for a man I admired.
@madawaskan: I would voice "Mary" as Mercedes McCambridge if any of her comments survived.
beta rube wrote: I don't know how they go from that to the juvenile name calling (cry babies,puke hurling beta cats, etc.)now. It is a dramatic and sad fall for a man I admired.
I would cut Meade some slack; he may have just been paraphrasing Althouse.
I wouldn't mind being Arnold Schwarzenegger.
So Inga, you would bed a chubby maid in lieu of young, lithe, Hollywood wannabes, speak with a thick accent, and, presumably, carry the burden of your steroid ravaged genitals at all times.
Explain please.
Aristotle defined a meek person as one who is angry on the right occasion and with the right people and at the right moment and for the right length of time.
In the Greek world of biblical times the word for meekness was also used to describe domesticated animals that had been trained to obey a command and to accept control. A man or woman of meekness has his or her life under control, especially the emotions.
I believe stoics believed that to feel was to be controlled by emotions and the things that triggered them. I would be willing to bet that does not describe Freeman but I'd have to ask her family and friends.
"She said, "I, Me or My," 111 times."
Well, the name of the blog is Althouse. Remember when she did podcast's and talked about herself for an hour? It was part of her popularity.
Her blogs success was originally due to people wanting to hear her opinions about things. Later, her commentators added to it, maybe even overshadowed her, but its really all about her.
That's what personal blogs are about. Its like criticizing an autobiographer for writing too much about themselves.
Stoics believe that react to others is in effect to be their slave. You do X, and forces me to do Y.
A Stoic responds the way he wants to, all the time. Others have no effect on HIS decision over HIS emotions.
IOW, Stoics have no emotional "Buttons" that others can push.
Only his voice on a Chirbit by Chickelit! I don't want his body, no thank you!
My college professor stated Stoicism was almost entirely male.
I forget why, I was probably thinking of chicks or beer -or both - during that part.
Sorry Inga, I'm late to the chirbit party.
A Stoic for example, would read Inga and simply not respond - no matter how batshit crazy she was.
Bagoh, not to belabor the point, but she was asked personal questions about her thoughts, attitudes and opinions. Thus ONE does not know nor is ONE able to imagine with what pronouns Ms. Althouse might have responded in her circumstance let alone how WE might also similarly respond, other than to imagine that ONE might adapt ONE'S answers in the manner of the use of self-deflecting Britishisms, if ONE might term them, that ONE would surely find, WE in the States are loathe to do.
rcocean
The Stoics would have held that woman were inferior precisely because they were ruled by passions or as we would call them emotions.
Trying to be stoic, I am thinking internally of course, "what an ass!"
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"Additionally, if someone flames you online, it's probably going to be stupid, so why feel upset about it?"
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El Pollo Raylan said...
@madawaskan: I would voice "Mary" as Mercedes McCambridge if any of her comments survived.
July 15, 2013 at 9:36 PM
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Hmmm--I have to go google Mercedes McCambridge.
The screams during the Titus huff your house down had me cracking up
Freeman Hunt at 9:32 PM - Best comment I've seen on a blog in a long, long time.
I'm trying to get to that same place. It's a moment-by-moment struggle some days.
"The Stoics would have held that woman were inferior precisely because they were ruled by passions or as we would call them emotions."
Thanks. That sounds like what my professor was saying. But I probably got sidetracked with the linkage of "Women and passion" into another train of thought.
Dance away.
I love the smell of manipulation in the (very early) morning.
200 year old rockfish...
I'm glad to see so many familiar names. I thought that they had all evaporated into the aethernet, and I would no longer be able to keep abreast of the latest critical thinking on Tertullian......Althouse has gathered a coterie of intelligent commenters. It would be a shame for such a group to disappear. Sometimes when I see the comments on You Tube, I despair for the future of humanity. Less so on Althouse.....Does a coterie decay or evolve into an entourage?
Glad to see you, William. I thought perhaps you were waiting for the real thing.
Glad to see you, William. I thought perhaps you were waiting for the real thing.
seems that everyone is long gone but I'm happy to see so many familiar names here. It's great to see Trooper York; I am really sad that his blog is only open to members. I really loved that blog.
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