Thursday, January 8, 2015

Je suis Charlie


No, you are not. 

Not even close.

Here is how we know you are not Charlie Hebdo. Look, how wonderful you are all showing the exact same sign showing your unity in thinking. If you were all Charlie Hebdo your signs would all be different from one another. They'd all be cartoons. They would all be mocking the ridiculous parts of religious dogma. They would actually ridicule pompous attitudes of elected officials and others with power, and those with presumptive power, and none of yours do. No, you are not Charlie Hebdo. Not even close.

(Incidentally Hebdo is not a last name, it is abbreviated form of hebdomadaire meaning "weekly" indicating Charlie is published each week.)

Tomorrow, today actually, you will all be crowing about Islamophobia charging others with the affliction you suffer yourselves. You are afraid of Islamists and you are showing it here. Publish the cartoons or shut up. I don't want to look at you. Better yet, make new cartoons yourselves, or be quiet about being Charlie Hebdo. You disgust me.

Oh, you are being quiet. All of this is done in reverent silence. 

"We don't want to offend ten million muslims by publishing cartoons when we can discuss and describe the events with words." 

Such nonsense. You refuse to publish the cartoons as you do cartoons of Catholic pope for fear of being blown up or having your necks sliced through. You may indeed have ten million readers but do you imagine all ten million Muslims read your paper?  By publishing cartoons designed to ridicule Christians and designed explicitly to ridicule Jewish people, your gig is up on not wishing to offend people of faith. This isn't merely hypocrisy, you are lying, to yourselves first and to everyone else secondly. Your lies are rejected. 

‘Je suis Charlie’? No, You’re Not, or Else You Might Be Dead Reason.com where Matt Welch delivers the smackdown. 

Matt Welch points out that if you actually were Charlie Hebdo, there are things you would do.

* Not just take the piss out of Islamic-terrorist sensibilities with satirical cartoon, but do it six days after being firebombed for taking the piss out of Islamic terrorist sensibilities and do that in a manner that is genuinely funny, sometimes even touching, with the message "Love is stronger than hate." 

Now see, that there is funny! And kind of adorable too.

* Not just print original cartoons of the historical figure, he who must not be depicted, but also defending and winning when being charged with offensive speech.

* Not just survive such hardships but not allow them to consume you by becoming obsessive or even semi-apologetic as even Salmon Rushdie converted to Islam.

[This one stopped me. I checked. He was born into Muslim and Indian family but was never a true believer. He publicly converted to Islam thinking that would lift the death sentence. It didn't work. Khomeini didn't believe him. He publicly reverted a year later. So now he is back to being non-Muslim. The Strange Case of Rushdie Converting to Islam and then saying it was a Pretense. Filed by esperanto for Anti Sharia Freedom for the Nations.]

Nor go into hiding like Molly Noris. 

Matt Welch continues lauding Charlie Hebdo for continuing doing what they do, producing juvenile and amusing checks on power and authority and pomposity of all types. He suggests doing a search [Charlie Hebdo +Jesus] and ask yourself which media entity in this country with its stronger free-speech protections would have the courage and latitude to blaspheme both. 

Welch explains Hebdo didn't just run cartoons, it blasted authority and piety of all types including pompous asses who run France and equally pompous but more surbservient hacks in the national press. 

Welch notes Charlie Hebdo was started in 1970 after another publican was shut down for its disrespect of the funeral of De Gaulle. It published things most journalists know but are too afraid to stand by.

Contrary to fools on Twitter who insist the cartoonists were merely some kind of Andrew Dice Clay acts looking for vulnerable minorities to kick around, they were some of the most beloved figures in France.

Wolinski, Cabu, Tignous, Charb created characters such as Mon Beuaf to mock for being crude and bigoted toward minorities, as example of their range.

Welch demands we are not brave as these satirists. We who delete previously published Muhammed images as the Associated Press has. It is not just the media who failed to be Charlie Hebdo but every person in the West who thinks speech should not offend and thinks that artistic commentary can incite murderous violence are also contributing to worsening cultural climate of speech and freedom. 

And then there is Sally Kohn and others like her who will have us change the subject by comparing the attacks to all the Christians or Jews killing in the name of religion. For Sally Kohn's world is entirely relative where every event equates and comes out in the wash.

Why do liberals do this? 

Because it is the only means they have for processing. All events must advance their cause(s). When something happens that does not fit, it must be force-fitted. It appears to normal people they are changing the subject, performing a switcheroo, arguing like my little sister, tender little sister, incapable of thinking straightforwardly. Their thinking appears disjointed. No, all events must further their cause. The track-switch operator activates instantly and powerfully to keep them on track. Their track. All facts fit their track. And that appears as a bizarre computation to the outside world of sensible processing. 

Kohn made her processing known through a series of posts on Twitter, and I would swear I was reading my own  sister. Her posts are assembled on Twitchy run by Michelle Malkin's team, here. 

Related, Tameesh (good and soonish)  Business provides CNN presenters and common-taters. There is no point in arguing. The tracks are switched solidly and they will roll right down their predetermined track no matter the facts. Facts are for normal people. Please enjoy this example. 

57 comments:

chickelit said...

I disagree, Chip. We don't all have to be cartoonists; some could be the policemen, or anyone trying to stop the violent reaction against criticism. That is more the essence of "Je suis Charlie."

Unknown said...

And then there is Sally Kohn and others like her who will have us change the subject by comparing the attacks to all the Christians or Jews killing in the name of religion. For Sally Kohn's world is entirely relative where every event equates and comes out in the wash.


Why do liberals do this?


Because it is the only means they have for processing. All events must advance their cause(s). When something happens that does not fit, it must be force-fitted.


Force-fitted.

Unknown said...

Thanks for the Reason link.

And it's not just those of us in the media business who have failed to be Charlie Hebdo. Every person in the broader West, whether it be a Financial Times editor or the president of the United States, who wrongly thinks that speech should not offend, and falsely believes that artistic commentary can somehow incite murderous violence, are also contributing to an ever-worsening cultural climate of speech, and therefore freedom."

bagoh20 said...

Charlie Hebdo has announced that they will publish the next issue, and it will print 1 million copies rather than the usual 60K. That is courage, that is how you win, and that is how you make this thing less likely in the future. You must remove the incentive, the payoff, and replace it with a cost, a slap in the face, a wall of resolve, a clear message that their goal cannot, and will not, be acheived.

ricpic said...

I know this is beyond the liberal mind but Islam MUST BE FOUGHT. All this "I am Charlie" business or Hollande's call for "unity" accomplishes nothing. It will come to a dirty nuclear bomb exploding in a major European country, or for that matter here in America. Even then liberals will REFUSE to fight back. At that point the common people will either overthrow the liberal elites or we will be enslaved by Islam.

bagoh20 said...

So enslaved by Islam or leftist elites?............................................................................Wait, I'm thinking it over..............

AllenS said...

Look on the bright side, if you (men) convert to Islam, you can have 4 wives. Wait a minute. That might be 3 or 4 too many.

Leland said...

Amen to the top post. I want to agree with Bagoh, but I can't. I more aligned with ricpic. Symbolism is important and the right symbolism is useful. But the jihad fighters will just go back and use the million more Charlie magazines as a recruiting tool. Not because the Charlie magazine will be obscenely blaspheming, but because for the jihadis, it will be a useful recruiting tool.

I have no interest in censoring Charlie. I dont care if they blasphemy Christianity. I support what Bagoh notes about the additional publications. But if attacks like yesterday are to be stopped, they must be fought with superior and overwhelming violence, or they will continue. The cops on the scene posed neither a threat to the gunmen nor were a party to the blasphemy used as rationale. They were still executed. The only way to have stopped it is for the cops to have been more violent.

I don't like it, but I do believe it.

Chip Ahoy said...

It's just that I am not impressed by empty displays of unity.

I almost used another photo of the huge crowds assembled around the area of the publishing place.

Almost as huge a crowd, almost as huge as any given rock and roll concert at Red Rocks. But so what. It shows people were upset and willing to join a crowd. It means nothing. Whereas banishing people from their country achieves something.

What ever happened to banishment and exile anyway? I read about such things in history books and think, "how terrible." Is that even possible today?

[Man, I just bought a pound of sliced cooked flank steak from Tony's and I cannot keep off it. How paleo, you must be thinking. But that's how my lunch goes. No silly salad, no vegetable side, no sugary dessert, just barely cooked and highly peppered meat slice by slice picked up with my grubby fingers. This makes me well pleased that I have all my teeth. I'm in heaven over here]

Chip Ahoy said...

The temperature is in the high 40s today here in Denver. It's quite nice being outside.

There was a note on my truck saying they will tow me in 72 hours because my plates are expired.

But not so.

I put the 2015 sticker over the month sticker so now my plates say both 2015 and 2014. I must have been high.

Actually it's dark down there where I put on the sticker. They don't give you a month sticker anymore, just a year sticker. But they are color coded so police can identify them from a distance.

Originally I intended to leave a note saying, "you douchebags better not tow this truck. Can't you bints read?" Then I thought, "Chip, there is no reason you must be so rude." So I let management take care of it instead.

Chip Ahoy said...

I have an idea for a photoshop job. It can be done easily using layers

Here's how to do it.

Drag the photo of journalists holding up their xeroxed copied signs.

Black out the Je suis Charlie message on each one.

In a new layer switch to text and type a message that Father Ted would use:

"Down with that sort of thing."

See that is hilarious impotent statement of protest. People love Father Ted for being so void. He doesn't even specify what he is protesting, just anything similar to whatever.

The resize to fit on one of the blank placards. Duplicate. Move to a new placard and resize to fit exactly. Duplicate again, move again, resize again and so on until all the placards say the same new thing. So that everybody is shown to be perfectly vapid.

Result: ridicule the whole lot all at once with something that is instantly familiar. In fact. I'm going to do that right now and post it all over the place. Mark me, it will be a big hit in Britain. They will get the joke and the ridicule instantly.

Fr Martin Fox said...

This discussion -- of which this thread is only a part -- creates a false dichotomy I think.

We're told that you're either for publishing anything and everything, or else you're not really for free speech and you're not strong enough against the Islamist fascists.

I'm for free speech, but that doesn't mean I approve of all the images that appeared in Charlie Hebdo (some of which were pretty offensive to Christians too). If I were a editor or publisher of a general news outlet, I'd probably publish at least some of the offending images, so that readers would know what we are talking about; but I won't republish them on my own site. But then, I wouldn't have published them any other time, either. I don't hold Muhammed sacred (or any of the Hindu deities either), but I don't mock them as a matter of neighborliness.

Does that make me "soft" on free speech?

Leland said...

Hey Chip, I enjoyed my Chicken Tiki Marsala for lunch, but I did have salad for lunch the last three days. Need to drop the holiday padding. My car registration sticker is still in the glove compartment. That's laziness right there.

Alas, these are things a civilized society has as conversation. These assholes in Paris and the apologist like Sally Kohn rather us talk about their need to censor images that hurt them. And then we have so many that run along to claim, yeah those images are hurtful.

Look, I'm Christian, but as much as I thought piss Christ was absurd, and if any grant money went to support it, that was wrong; the artist nor imagery bothers me. I figure if my god is all that powerful, he can handle the problem when the time comes*. What matters is how I behave, and I don't have to symbolically show that behavior. Rather, I should live it.

*Exception comes to those who commit violent crime to others. In that case, god may be able to handle it, but in many cases my fellow man cannot. In those cases, I have no problem with superior violence sorting those who enjoy inflicting pain from those who want to go back to enjoying a flank steak or chicken tiki marsala.

KCFleming said...

This will require a moderate military response soon, a big military response later, or complete submission.

Nothing else will stop them.

Amartel said...

Fr. Fox - regardless of whether you, personally, approve or would publish the Charlie cartoons, do you believe that such cartoons should be subject to government censorship?

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

...do you believe that such cartoons should be subject to government censorship?

Which government? The one in D.C. or the one on the left bank of the Tiber river?

The magazine had a record of not only being unfunny (the worse crime), but of publishing many things in what a lot of folks would call bad taste. That's not the point! It never is.

As for calls of unity and "fighting" Islam, the former is as unavoidable as the latter is impossible when your country is 10% Muslim. This was probably an E.U. failure, or French colonialist guilt for immigrants, but it can't be undone now. Too late for them. They simply need to co-opt and persuade Muslims (there) to rally around a less authoritarian mindset. So the popular reactions are necessarily different than they would be here.

The other reason for that is a 2nd amendment. We might get a lot more kindergartens shot up, but the plus side is that it keeps difficult-to-assimilate populations focused on airing their grievances politely, rather than through browbeating and rioting.

I firmly believe a 2nd amendment has its greatest utility in promoting a more polite assimilation.

European nations are ethnicity-based. Displays of "unity" are more meaningful there because they don't have the option of foregoing them. Whether it's a hereditary figurehead, a national literature, or some regional foodstuff whose "distinctiveness" is protected by E.U. regulations, that's just their situation. Those countries weren't built on individualism.

XRay said...

R&B, not a half bad analysis. Your 2nd amendment support is noteworthy.

Though your query of "which government" censorship eludes me for a point.

"They simply need to co-opt and persuade Muslims (there) to rally around a less authoritarian mindset."

'Muslims (there)' are rallying around the most authoritarian mindset that could be imagined. They like that. What incentives would persuade them to accept less authority and further assimilation.

I became emotional last night here in the comments. Just like I became emotional when the NVA killed my squad leader who a few minutes later died in my arms. Just like I became emotional during 9/11. Emotionalism is generally a negative for decisional and disciplined response, though there are occasions when batshit crazy berserker mode is useful and necessary if one is to survive. I'm at that point for these cowardly non-men who carry out such acts as this.

Unfortunately I'm also too old too be of much use other than as cannon fodder. A duty I would willingly assume if it would mean the end of this scourge on humanity, called Islam.

edutcher said...

There are more Charlies here than in most media offices.

ricpic said...

I know this is beyond the liberal mind but Islam MUST BE FOUGHT. All this "I am Charlie" business or Hollande's call for "unity" accomplishes nothing

Not unlike Congress singing, "god Bless America", on the steps of the Capitol right after 9/11.

Rhythm and Balls said...

...do you believe that such cartoons should be subject to government censorship?

Which government? The one in D.C. or the one on the left bank of the Tiber river?


Ritmo thinks sneering at TOP Hillbillies makes him a) superior and b) safe.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

Well, XRay, emotionalism is understandable when dealing with people as hopelessly irrational as Muslim "activists".

I wouldn't count yourself out, yet, though. Hopefully we'll be able to do more and with less lives lost, then they will.

'Muslims (there)' are rallying around the most authoritarian mindset that could be imagined. They like that. What incentives would persuade them to accept less authority and further assimilation.

This point is your most challenging. I agree that the most realistic Muslim culture, theology and longstanding historical precedent is pretty darn authoritarian. So more and more I have to give the publishers some credit. It's one thing to appeal to potential fanatics with ideas as universal as the American ideal - quite another to do it in the ethnic nation-states of Europe. Finding the right blend of humor to appeal to them is difficult (but not impossible) - much moreso given the numbers they've let in, too. Europe is itself a bunch of disparate nations with separate histories fighting each other for centuries, that now wants to claim a vision of continental integration. It clearly needs to assimilate itself, first.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

ed, feel free to translate your comment into an intelligible statement at any time.

XRay said...

The slaughter of the unarmed has always bothered me. Though I think Dresden and Hiroshima justified.

So, perhaps, it is disingenuous of me to have thought of lesser deeds as being cowardly. Though I abhor moral equivalence as a rot on humanity.

It is a complicated world, our present reality.

edutcher said...

I'll bet you're the only one who doesn't get it.

But, hey, the appeasers never think they'll end up in the gas chambers.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

The slaughter of the unarmed has always bothered me. Though I think Dresden and Hiroshima justified.

So, perhaps, it is disingenuous of me to have thought of lesser deeds as being cowardly. Though I abhor moral equivalence as a rot on humanity.


The insanity and bloodlust of the adversary must always be figured into the moral calculus of acceptable respective losses.

XRay said...

"Europe is itself a bunch of disparate nations with separate histories fighting each other for centuries, that now wants to claim a vision of continental integration. It clearly needs to assimilate itself, first."

You knew, when you wrote this, that it will it will not happen, not in our lifetimes at least. Germany is not France and vice versa.

Haha...

"the publishers"

of which would be, the Koran or the editors of Hedbo.

I took advantage here, admitted.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

But, hey, the appeasers never think they'll end up in the gas chambers.

What are you even fucking talking about? This is your way of explaining that even you don't know what you said.

Honestly ed, you're a failure of the most versatile sort. In America, we already know what your shortcomings are vis-a-vis the U.S. system. In Europe, I'm sure you'd not have had the wits to avoid gas chambers, either. Whatever that means. Did you even know weren't optional? You know less about Europe than you do America, and would doubtless be just as much a failure there as you are here. In any era. Just in a different way.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

The different cultures/histories of Europe are a challenge, but I think increased travel might make a dent on that. The E.U. is every bit the bureaucratic nightmare that it must be, given how much autonomy and distinctiveness each nation retains. But it does get them involved in an open, transparent process that leads to greater integration of some sort, at some point down the road. There's no real turning back. And people are becoming necessarily more adept at transnational issues. English is becoming a more important lingua franca there. Companies are branching across "frontiers". There is greater overall movement across, and interest in, the other countries. I was in London a few weeks ago and gagged on the bus stuck in holiday traffic due to the number of French people in overcoats sweating and misting their indoor body heat like so many onions. But then the obnoxious east coaster in me came out. Just knowledgeable to think of something audibly insulting to merrily repeat in a rhyming singsong voice: "Les gens, sans desodorisant, sont arrives en Angleterre!"

XRay said...

Bowing out R&B, dinner. Thanks for the repartee, you bastard. :)

XRay said...

Bowing out R&B, dinner. Thanks for the repartee, you bastard. :)

chickelit said...

Les gens, sans desodorisant, sont arrives en Angleterre!

Le Pew!

XRay said...

Well, maybe I needed to say it twice.

Though to your last Ritmo, I don't know French. My loss I'm sure, but not in the same sense of being French.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...
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Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

You can use Google for that stuff man. It works!

Not with all languages, though.

Amartel said...

Fr Fox,
You can let me know whether my inquiry requires clarification if you come back to this thread.

edutcher said...

Rhythm and Balls said...

But, hey, the appeasers never think they'll end up in the gas chambers.

What are you even fucking talking about? This is your way of explaining that even you don't know what you said.

Honestly ed, you're a failure of the most versatile sort. In America, we already know what your shortcomings are vis-a-vis the U.S. system. In Europe, I'm sure you'd not have had the wits to avoid gas chambers, either. Whatever that means. Did you even know weren't optional?


But many thought they would ever end up there. No, it was always a bureaucratic screw-up that got them there.

If the Fuhrer only know..., if Stalin only knew...

Ritmo, of course, would identify with George Soros, who helped ID the Jews and took part in the confiscation of their goods.

That's what he means by, "I'm sure you'd not have had the wits to avoid gas chambers".

But, then, some of us figure better to die standing up than living on one's knees.

Rabel said...

"the obnoxious east coaster in me"

Whoever woulda guessed?

chickelit said...

R&B wrote: Which government? The one in D.C. or the one on the left bank of the Tiber river?

The part about the Tiber was a gratuitous swipe at Fr. Fox.

The thing is that Obama did say: that the future must not belong to those who can slander the prophet of Islam, What did he mean by that? To whom was speaking when he said that? I certainly hope it wasn't to Americans, because it does fly in the face of our freedoms. I think he knew that, and said it anyways.

When the leader of the free world opines on the future, it's important to note which modal verb he used - should, could, must, will. etc. He used "must" not "should." If he had used "will not" then I suppose there would grounds for treason right there. As it is, he said, in so many words, that the future must not belong to the cartoonists. This is why I don't consider Obama to be my de facto leader: he wants to lead us to place I reject.

Can it be any clearer?

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

Ed, there's only one person here who seems to be very interested in gas chambers -- that would be you. I'm not in one, you're not in one, and the people of France aren't in one. BTW, George Soros isn't in one, either, but apparently you thought he should have died in one, as he might have. But then you seem to say that he and everyone else he know should have died fighting (as would have happened if he followed your advice). So again, your brain is a mess; you glorify death like your Muslims do as long as it is part of a glorious, futile cause. Everyone knows Europe couldn't stop its Nazis by 1939. Everyone except you.

I am heartened to know how much like a jihadi ed thinks, though. It gives me hope to see that much intertwinement of dumbass. If jihadis are as dumb and twisted as ed, there is certainly hope for humanity! ;-)

chickelit said...

R&B, your focus on edutcher is as debilitating as Titus' obsession with me.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

The part about the Tiber was a gratuitous swipe at Fr. Fox.

No gratuity necessary! Until proven otherwise, I assume that the mightily influential role of the RCC in Europe was its fair share of blame for what's always gone, and continues to go, wrong with the continent. As it stands, there is only one person on this thread making a strong case for avoiding offense, or at least questioning the "niceness" of doing so. And that person would be whom? You guessed it!

I thought the Tiber comment was actually pretty spot-on. Do you really deny the similarity between the glory, power and humanitarian ideals of Hollywood and Rome? They're so similar. We're talking about a state, modeled off of the ancient Roman emperor, that houses the Sistine Chapel, for crying out loud!

Hollywood is America's Rome. You don't have to be imaginative to see it.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

R&B, your focus on edutcher is as debilitating as Titus' obsession with me.

Get a grip. You're way off base. I never even address ed. He OTOH can't let me have a single comment without pretending he found his own inner Hitler revealed within it. I simply ask him to explain what makes his brain so strange as to come up with these persistent associations. Trust me, repartee with ed is the last thing I want. But he's just too outrageous to avoid responding to.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

Whoever woulda guessed?

Not those French rubes! They didn't seem to know what to make of the appropriateness of their invasive odeur conquering other lands. Keep it in your shirt, or keep it at home, citoyens!

edutcher said...

Rhythm and Balls said...

Everyone knows Europe couldn't stop its Nazis by 1939.

No, they were afraid to try.

Which seems to be Ritmo's motivation.

As Winnie Churchill once opined, WWII should have been called The Useless War because it could have been so easily avoided.

PS Although Ritmo seems too dull to appreciate it, my use of the gas chambers is a metaphor.

If he likes, we can to to a Babi Yar/Einstatzgruppen one, as that seems to be coming back in the Middle East.

chickelit said...

R&B: You're starting to remind me of Althouse when she flew off the handle at edutcher. Remember when she did that? I memorialized it in a chirbit here.

Inga cut and pasted the Althouse quote which I was simply reciting in my "scold" voice (Althouse seems to have deleted from that thread). Here's the text in case that gets deleted too:

Phrasing things that edutcher doesn't get wrong? If that is indeed even possible, it would be written at an absurdly simple level. That's nothing I'd want to do. I really don't know why you read this blog, but my working theory is you're a guy pretending to be a guy that misunderstands everything.

I also have the intellectual wherewithal to write first grade primers, but that's not what I choose to write.
link

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

No, they were afraid to try.

First of all, Sir Dumbass, your fixation was on Jews "trying". Which is completely untenable and you know it. You just think that it would for some reason a better way for them to die.

As for the rest of Europe "trying", keep up the ignorant lies. Europe by 1939 had nothing with which to "try".

Which seems to be Ritmo's motivation.

As being a Nazi seems to be your motivation.

"Try harder, Jew! Be a more formidable adversary to my industrial barbarity!"!

You are insane.

As Winnie Churchill once opined, WWII should have been called The Useless War because it could have been so easily avoided.

Where is the date by which Churchill says it could have been avoided? Not 1939. Again, dumbass fail.

PS Although Ritmo seems too dull to appreciate it, my use of the gas chambers is a metaphor.

Well, no one can ever really be sure how many uses you'd be tempted to make of a gas chamber.

But apparently, as with Glenn Beck, you think everything bad or wrong in life is a Nazi moment.

If he likes, we can to to a Babi Yar/Einstatzgruppen one, as that seems to be coming back in the Middle East.

I don't like anything coming out of your mouth, 'cause it's only ever so much distracting ignorant bullshit. About the only thing here you got right is that the Middle East is actually not Europe. Congrats! Certain bits of geographical knowledge can be grasped even by you.

Now get a job. Put on your resume, "Nazi Hunter". Tell them you'll start by indicting George Soros. You sound just like an Islamist. Next you'll be telling me that Zionists are Nazis, too.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

Well whaddayaknow, Chick. Every now and then, like a clock is twice a day, Althouse might actually be right on something.

I mean, she uploads enough posts per day to make it statistically unavoidable.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

Ed, like nearly every Arab YouTube commenter, is busy finding and hunting Jewish Nazis. He'll start with George Soros, then move on to every Jew in Europe, and then tell the Israelis and American Jews that they're Nazis, too.

That ed. Always knowing what to do… wrong.

Rabel said...

ed is pretty rad. But we need guys like him to keep the American zeitgeist in balance. A national pussification is dangerous to our long term interests.

edutcher said...

When Ritmo gets backed into a corner, he tries to split hairs and misdirect.

I was talking about appeasers, as he well know. He wants to say I was talking about Jews.

Projection?

Rhythm and Balls said...

As Winnie Churchill once opined, WWII should have been called The Useless War because it could have been so easily avoided.

Where is the date by which Churchill says it could have been avoided? Not 1939. Again, dumbass fail.


That's our Ritmo, he knows more than even the guy who saw it all coming and helped win the war.

BTW, the German generals were scared to death of going to war in '39. That Hitler was able to divide his enemies so neatly was about the only way he could have pulled it off.

If he likes, we can to to a Babi Yar/Einstatzgruppen one, as that seems to be coming back in the Middle East.

I don't like anything coming out of your mouth, 'cause it's only ever so much distracting ignorant bullshit. About the only thing here you got right is that the Middle East is actually not Europe


Yes, but does even Ritmo honestly believe that the methods used in the Middle East won't one day come to Europe?

Bursting into buildings and slaughtering everybody in them started there.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

Yes, but does even Ritmo honestly believe that the methods used in the Middle East won't one day come to Europe?

Bursting into buildings and slaughtering everybody in them started there.


The "methods" are already there, because they're global. No one denies that terrorism is a globalized threat.

Let's see if a theoretical Jihadist European political party ever gets 37.27% of the vote. Then I'd see your point.

In the meantime, you keep forgetting to realize that there are actually non-Muslims (who aren't even Jewish!) in Europe. They seem to not just be automatic, knee-jerk jihadis.

Don't get me wrong, I think Europe's in a much more horrible position regarding any rhetorical combat they can do against Islamism. But that may change. In the meantime, there's America, and I don't feel kowtowed at all by what Europe can or cannot or has or has not gotten right.

chickelit said...

Hollywood is America's Rome. You don't have to be imaginative to see it.

No, D.C. is like ancient Rome. I have a large poster of the reconstructed ancient city which i bought at The Museum of Roman Civilization in EUR, Rome (Mussolini's work). You can see a photos here.
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The thing is that Obama did say that the future must not belong to those who can slander the prophet of Islam, What did he mean by that? To whom was speaking when he said that? I certainly hope it wasn't to Americans, because it does fly in the face of our freedoms. I think he knew that, and said it anyway.

When the leader of the free world opines on the future, it's important to note which modal verb he used - should, could, must, will. etc. He used "must" not "should." If he had used "will not" then I suppose there would grounds for treason right there. As it is, he said, in so many words, that the future must not belong to the cartoonists. This is why I don't consider Obama to be my de facto leader: he wants to lead us to a place I reject.

Can it be any clearer?

Stop me before I blog post those questions here.

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Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

D.C. is a very utilitarian, unglamorous place. Rome was and the Vatican City very much still is, all about glorification.

chickelit said...

D.C. is a very utilitarian, unglamorous place. Rome was and the Vatican City very much still is, all about glorification.

Rome had its Forum and D.C. has its Mall. The stunning scale model of Rome (based in part on surving plats) shows a "normal" city. Yes there were piazze , but D.C. has a man-on-a-horse statue in every neighborhood.

Fr Martin Fox said...

Amartel:

Sorry, I was otherwise occupied.

No, I don't think the government should censor satire or images that are deemed blasphemous.

On the other hand, I do think it's entirely appropriate for those who object to them, to voice that objection in civilized ways: letters, phone calls, demonstrations, refusing to do business with the publication, etc. That's free speech, too.

Amartel said...

Thanks for the response. Just checking. (And I don't anticipate that people hang about waiting to respond to comments on their comments - I don't - so thanks!)

Unknown said...

Best idea yet at insty:

"We are in a situation where my third point applies, because the kind of blasphemy that Charlie Hebdo engaged in had deadly consequences, as everyone knew it could … and that kind of blasphemy is precisely the kind that needs to be defended, because it’s the kind that clearly serves a free society’s greater good. If a large enough group of someones is willing to kill you for saying something, then it’s something that almost certainly needs to be said, because otherwise the violent have veto power over liberal civilization, and when that scenario obtains it isn’t really a liberal civilization any more. Again, liberalism doesn’t depend on everyone offending everyone else all the time, and it’s okay to prefer a society where offense for its own sake is limited rather than pervasive. But when offenses are policed by murder, that’s when we need more of them, not less, because the murderers cannot be allowed for a single moment to think that their strategy can succeed."

chickelit said...

April, that's Ross Douthat in the NYT.