I read a piece a few weeks ago, off Drudge I think, that was surprising because it stated flatly some European country's longstanding antipathy toward Obama, the latest thing, NSA, added to that antipathy. I forget which country and now I cannot find anything even close to it. (Bulgaria, Bavaria maybe) The article said it was common knowledge that generally the whole country never did have much fondness for Obama, graffiti provided, and my first thought upon reading that, the thing that pinged was emotion not thought, but it did have words for it and words were, "F'k'n racists."
Kabong. Flat as that. No other reason apparent. And it still isn't. I shocked myself by feeling it. And hard. After thinking that, feeling it, I looked for a reason within the article and did not see any.
That is how I get it when someone presumably more responsible and more rational more diplomatic than myself says such a thing. Including Obama. The conservative webosphere was aflutter this week, posts still up, with Obama remarking his poll numbers dip reflect a worsening racist streak among Americans, ridiculous, and each time I catch that I'm reminded of that feeling. It is real. We are stuck with it. That feeling is their whole reality, the whole lot, I think, and nothing you, I, we, anybody, says or does will shake it. Forever. It does answer everything. By feel.
There honestly is no reason to examine the many seemingly petty reasons raised, no matter how Constitutionally dire, when flat wet blanket racism covers everything. That is what the first epiphany held. It does sound stupid now writing it out like this, but it was fully felt, backwards like that, a jolt by parallax provided by a new view of reacting emotionally to a European country's sorry-ass inexplicably bad attitude. It was an immediate and intense feeling. You had to be there.
So there's that.
Two. Governors are small. This one really got me. The same way, on an emotional level. The dreadful penny dropped when governor-related things happened at once.
Prefaced by this. I knew a fellow who made the news through his volunteer work raising surprisingly delightfully large sums for charity. Over a few years he worked out a system of collecting as he worked a usual job involving large rotations of clients and he turned in actual dollars at the end of the drive not just pledges as the other fund raisers do, there was a competitive edge to it. His reason: laziness. he didn't want to go back and collect. He wanted it over with each year. His individual sums surpassed corporate-matched group sums and he received a good citizen award from the governor for all that. Romer at the time. I went with him to Romer's office for a small ceremony. (By chance. Ended up touring the dome structure with him. The two of us flew around the whole place. It's like Hitchcock's Saboteur in there, the double dome of the capitol, between domes, through one, and outside at the top. The whole mountain range is described on the stone parapet. I know the top secret door on mezzanine level to the 19th century industrial metal steps the weave between the beams supporting the dome. The door with the sign on it STEPS TO THE UPPER DOME) That is where he got hooked on television cameras, at the governor's office. He discovered a fondness for television cameras and developed an annoying proclivity for going to them at public events. When he sees a television camera it becomes a magnet pulling him away from us like a cartoon stretching his body away like the wavy lines of alluring aroma from a cartoon pie. A fast habit that was just as quickly ridiculed. A weakness. A smallness.
Broncos win the Conference. Hurray. Go Broncos. And everyone is excited at the peak of it and everyone has something to say about the whole thing and of course the governor is there too, "Hey look, a camera."
"Well, I guess I have to buy my buddy-governor a hamburger because before the game we were, we just made a bet that if…"
Yeah, it's all about you and what you were doing and how you tangentially relate to the game. I clicked over to other post-game revelries and within a minute there he is again, click, same thing agan. Camera, to camera, to camera, I'm seeing, after the game. What else is a governor wandering around by himself post Conference game to do? Seek a camera and talk about himself. Small. And the contrast between the gladiator types and the governor types is stark.
I heard Cuomo. I heard a man stuff a quite lot of straw there into an old flannel shirt and take a potshot at his propped up scarecrow. Small in suggesting which portion of citizenry he does not feel comfortable governing. The feeling undoubtedly mutual all around. What was the intent of all that, to drive real people off, make real people feel his real discomfort? Invite extreme conservatives to take up a challenge in New York?
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 400 of 403 Newer› Newest»AllenS said...
Jesus, what a way to go through life.
Yep - it's a horror show.
But even MLK had to wade in, so what makes me special?
Oh, BTW - you're a racist.
"My word's no good - I'm black."
Misogynist race baiter, your logic is no good.
I am not responsible for what other people say. I have not seen evidence that Sixty Grit has been "racially harassing" you anymore than you racial harass white people in general. You kettle is Negro dude.
Grow up and stop appealing to Mommy.
That ain't a Macho Response there buddy.
Here is a movie you should watch instead of 12 Years a Slave.
deborah said...
"My word's no good - I'm black."
Misogynist race baiter, your logic is no good.
Sure it is - you're white and hanging with racists.
I can tell you anything and all you're going to do is attempt to attack it.
Freeman and I still talk.
You know, like human beings.
Americans, even.
We got nothing to "win" because there's no "side" we're on.
We just want to know what's going on.
Ask her. Don't pay any attention to the I-didn't-see-anything chorus already ginning itself up.
They're racists, no less at the ready than any 1960's Mississippi jury.
They can't handle the truth.
I have to live with it.
Freeman has to live with it.
We all have to live with it.
The question is how?
Denying it ain't the answer.
if you were truly a friend to your friend who faces surgery, you'd be there offering help, perhaps finding some funding, not here whining about shit that does not exist.
I like that display of your psychic powers, making it possible for you to see what's occurring on my end.
Do you use a crystal ball, or is some kind of Kreskin thing?
What a moron.
I told you, dude:
HUGE BLIND SPOTS.
Maybe we shouldn't bring other people into this unless they decide to post their own comments.
I think that might be a good policy. A fair policy. Just sayn'
Misogynist race baiter, Trooper's correct, the macho response is not to insist that a white female's imprimatur is necessary to support your reasoning.
deborah said...
Misogynist race baiter, Trooper's correct, the macho response is not to insist that a white female's imprimatur is necessary to support your reasoning.
It's also not TMR to be stupid enough to walk into a trap laid by racists.
You know Freeman. You trust Freeman. Freeman's what you get.
If I'm lying, she'll say so. If I'm not, Sixty Grit's a racist.
But I knew that already because when we first met he was talking about shooting blacks.
Not "robbers" or "men" or "bad guys" but "blacks".
Isn't that interesting?
I do that now - calling y'all "whites" - and you don't like it.
RACISTS.
"You know Freeman. You trust Freeman. Freeman's what you get.
If I'm lying, she'll say so. If I'm not, Sixty Grit's a racist."
Oh, brother, misogynist race baiter.
And how about Cody, who couldn't WAIT to get revenge for The Knockout Game?
What kind of gun does he carry again?
Well, as I said, I can't WAIT to hear Trooper's gotten his fat self plugged with that mouth of his.
It's how we're supposed to feel, right?
America?
This thread is fantastic. Really enjoying it.
But dear Crackie, in order to properly get your your reparations, I need more information.
What is 40 acres and a mule up to these days with inflation?
I'm shocked, shocked! that your music career has not taken off with your outstanding public relations skills.
"It's how we're supposed to feel, right?
America?"
Careful, now, misogynist race baiter, a note bathos is slipping in to your last few responses.
President-Mom-Jeans said...
This thread is fantastic. Really enjoying it.
But dear Crackie, in order to properly get your your reparations, I need more information.
What is 40 acres and a mule up to these days with inflation?
Check the U.S. Treasury.
I'm shocked, shocked! that your music career has not taken off with your outstanding public relations skills.
Yeah, but you know what? If I crawl back up, you're still going to like "I used to fight with that black bastard!"
deborah said...
"It's how we're supposed to feel, right?
America?"
Careful, now, misogynist race baiter, a note bathos is slipping in to your last few responses.
You're still too dumb to get it, aren't you?
Get away from the Hello Kitty shit, and try to think, woman.
What section 8 housing address can I send a check too?
Don't give me orders, misogynist race baiter. I don't need or want some performance artist leading me in my thinking.
You really are a silly man Crack.
I am not afraid. Otherwise I would not have a store in Brooklyn.
But you are indicted by your own words. That is why so many of us are supportive of your cultural choices. You are not doing yourself any good with this nonsense.
Isn't there a "Living Single" marathon on BET or something so you can occupy your time/
It really is rather unseemly for me to be taking such delight in taunting a sad old failure at life over the internet.
Yet I will do it anyways.
You said that your friend will be losing his foot? Am I wrong in assuming that it is Diabetes related?
Obviously a ploy by the white devil, what with giving out all that fattening welfare food.
The white devil is devious.
But tell your friend to rejoice, as now Moochelle will get him to move and eat arugula.
Your fatassed savior in the oval office will make everything better, she suffers through opulent 500 guest .001 percent birthday parties all for you Crackie.
I prayed for you today, Crack, even though we fought, and even though you hate that shit.
But I do hope you feel better in time, and maybe learn that down this path of race hatred lies madness. Nothing good or positive can possibly come from it.
President-Mom-Jeans,
Your fatassed savior in the oval office will make everything better, she suffers through opulent 500 guest .001 percent birthday parties all for you Crackie.
Indeed. And she LAUGHS! A deep, resonate thing, that burrows from the lower recesses of the gut, up into a cavernous crevice that only blacks can hear. And every time one of you sick fucks dares to utter a word against her, she devises another torment based on the plantation ledgers she and the president read each night to amuse themselves.
"Why don't you help the blacks?" you scream, and knowing you're racists, they wonder why you racists haven't already - they're as free as you are - why should they be any more concerned than a white person?
Silly white person.
Let black people be free and you handle your responsibilities - that would be a first!
So what you are saying is that your friend's obesity caused the diabetes that led to his upcoming amputation?
Sorry, I don't speak jive.
Pogo, you disappoint me.
I really thought we were friends.
Some or most of you seem to think this is all Crack's mistaken notions, poor behaviours, whatever. If you think that you are wrong, wrong, wrong.
As usual for the right wing when it comes to race.
You don't have to think it is all about race to think Crack is full of shit.
Of course your mileage may vary.
Most conservatives don't care about the race card or the disapproval of the liberals. We just don't care.
"Pogo, you disappoint me.
I really thought we were friends."
I think we are. An argument doesn't end it, or at least it shouldn't.
Not sure what part disappointed you, though, or was it 'everything'?
Phx...no such thing. I spoke up and was advised to shut up. So I did.
All I asked is for either of the initiators of the bile on this thread, Meade or Crack, to give me a precise description of what they wanted the white right to do? Even just a hint. I posed the concepts of Congressman John Conyers...crickets.
Now I know Crack has the wits to give a response, but he's not in the mood, and I am certain Meade does not have the wits even discuss the HR 40 I posted.
If you have something to contribute beyond another blanket accusation (the 1,756th today)... Step right up. But skip the philosophy.
Most conservatives don't care about the race card or the disapproval of the liberals. We just don't care.
Apart from coming to a decent, mature understanding of what's right and wrong, you should care about the disapproval of independents, blacks and hispanics, and women 18-31. But it's pretty clear a lot of you don't.
President-Mom-Jeans said...
So what you are saying is that your friend's obesity caused the diabetes that led to his upcoming amputation?
Sorry, I don't speak jive.
Apparently not - white people are too square to be around blacks. Like George Carlin said, if you spend time with us, your weak sense of identity will give way (as will your women) and soon you'll be able to understand contemporary english (not the racist "jive") like any other normal person.
As to your question Mr. Missed-The-Mark-By-A-Mile,
No, my point isn't illness - anybody can suffer illness - but the state of his welfare after a family's generations of unpaid toil, harassment, and deprivation.
Troop looked pretty well when he got sick. Seems to be able to weather it pretty well.
How would that work in a hostile environment?
Before you say it - it's not hostile to you.
RACIST
Trooper York said...
You don't have to think it is all about race to think Crack is full of shit.
Of course your mileage may vary.
Most conservatives don't care about the race card or the disapproval of the liberals. We just don't care.
And you will pay. You're not part of the country - you just said so yourself.
You're not one of "us".
Fuck you.
Go find a new place to die - we don't want you anymore.
Pogo is Dead said...
"Pogo, you disappoint me.
I really thought we were friends."
I think we are. An argument doesn't end it, or at least it shouldn't.
Not sure what part disappointed you, though, or was it 'everything'?
Write me an email - get away from these fools.
If you have something to contribute beyond another blanket accusation (the 1,756th today)..
Well I have at least another 1755 to go personally.
I didn't say anything about you personally, aridog. I said, or intended, if someone thinks that this shitstorm is all on crack and completely divorced from a really difficult problem the Republican Party has with these issues as a result mostly of their own making, they're wrong.
@ Haz Two things are bothering me just now.
1. Where's BagoH20? I hope he's well. Maybe the new girlfriend is holding him hostage.
2. How's Sixty's decorating project coming along?
Yeah- I get a little wiggy when I don't read Bagoh's clever posts or see his smiling face. He put up some new posts/photos on his web-page but now they are gone. odd.
I don't blame the girlfriend for keeping him under-cover. Mostly though we all know he's going through Hep C treatment which might be unpleasant at times. I too hope he's OK. Though missing this post is not a bad thing. This thread is not healthy. Life's too short for deranged delusional rage filled lunacy.
Yeah - lets hear about the decorations.
Phx said ...
Apart from coming to a decent, mature understanding of what's right
Step right up and tell me what is right? Be specific as to actions and by whom for what.
I'm slow, but I'll listen.
Aridog said...
Phx...no such thing. I spoke up and was advised to shut up. So I did.
Did not. I assumed, while not totally onboard with my tactics, you are one of the good guys and smart enough to be aware I'm using them.
I said "watch the show" because there's reason for a good guy to be in the ring.
I want the racists.
If you want answers, you know how to reach me: thecrackemcee@gmail.
But I'm not fighting fair here,...
Pogo is Dead said...
Why should I 'care' that independents, blacks and hispanics, and women 18-31 approve of socialism (i.e., taking other people's shit by force) and 'disapprove' of those who reject that evil philosophy?
They won't ever ever ever agree they are wrong, and they will always always vote for more free shit, so all I can do is enjoy the decline.
Pogo - you've been hanging around with the wrong crowd too long, my friend.
I know you're a good guy. Drop me an email.
These guys don't deserve you.
I suspect that you will be about as well compensated for your little racism hissy fit performance art act as you are for your music and website.
Which is fitting, due to your talent level at all three endeavors.
Step right up and tell me what is right? Be specific as to actions and by whom for what.
This isn't easy as 1, 2, 3 Aridog, and I'm coming into this thread very late. Maybe over time you and I will come to understand and appreciate each other better.
I never speak to you as if you are slow or as if you won't listen. I think I've always accorded you great respect - more than I have a lot of people here. I don't agree with everything you say or even the way you say necessarily, but I give you a wide berth because of my respect for you.
I'm not fighting at all. After this thread, I no longer care...I'm beaten and I don't see a winner. WTF?
Bah.
phx what you think is a
"a decent, mature understanding of what's right and wrong" is not what you think it is.
You think it is signing on to the liberal agenda to every jot and tittle. We reject that in it's entirety.
Crack like Governor Cuomo and his hero Oprah feels that there is no place for people who don't sign on to their attitude toward abortion, immigration, same sex marriage, gun control or race hustling. At the best they want us gone. At the worst they want us dead. Listen to what they say. They are indicted by their own words.
We know that we are right and you are wrong. Trimming our beliefs to win elections get us nowhere. We need to stand strong.
Aridog said...
Phx said ...
Apart from coming to a decent, mature understanding of what's right
Step right up and tell me what is right? Be specific as to actions and by whom for what.
I'm slow, but I'll listen.
I know - but I won't talk sane here. This is a game - RACE.
Think of it as Wonderland and I'm playing Alice - determined to beat them at their own game:
"You're nothing but a pack of cards!"
Or, in this case, these guys.
They're being shut down once and for all.
I think you are going to be very surprised by the next election. Every little Julia that lost her insurance is not going to drink the Koolaid this time around.
If they do we deserve what we get.
You think it is signing on to the liberal agenda to every jot and tittle.
Rrrrrrr. Wrong.
I think you are going to be very surprised by the next election.
Heh. Mebbe. But when did I last here that? Let me think...?
I am used to having my government not represent me. I live in NYC. Mayor de Blasio just presided at a ceremony honoring Angela Davis.
So you can see where we are going here in NYC.
I am used to having my government not represent me.
I can remember exactly how you feel.
You might be right phx. We shall see. But it will not change the fact that you are fatally wrong.
Detroit level wrong.
Maybe we have reached the tipping point. Maybe there is no going back. It is possible.
President-Mom-Jeans said...
I suspect that you will be about as well compensated for your little racism hissy fit performance art act as you are for your music and website.
Which is fitting, due to your talent level at all three endeavors.
Considering I've been on about 30 CDs, many on major labels, but withdrew of my volition, and my blog has gotten up to 20,000 hit in a day (I did used to be on Instapundit) I'm assuming you're wishing me well, and hoping - should someone here decide to be a help rather than a hindrance - I will put it to equal good use and demonstrate the American spirit and dream to the fullest.
Don't fuck with me, Pussycat:
Lion eat you for lunch,...
Mayor de Blasio just presided at a ceremony honoring Angela Davis.
I can't find a link for that. Help a brother out.
I am sorry. I might have misstated that. Angela Davis was the keynote speaker at an event at BAM that honored Dr. Martin Luther King. I just saw the Mayor and his wife speak on NY1 about how much they admired Angela Davis.
Then they had a press conference where they named Al Sharpton's press representative as the chief of staff for the mayor's wife.
Interesting times.
phx said...
Mayor de Blasio just presided at a ceremony honoring Angela Davis.
I can't find a link for that. Help a brother out.
But big deal. Strip Angela Davis of context and she's a bad person. Add in Hoover, the KKK, racist cops, etc., and Angela Davis was what we got and needed.
I said the same thing about Sharpton and Jackson - it's a game you're playing. RACE.
No history. No context. No 400 years of slavery, etc, producing Sharpton and Jackson - fallible men in an honorable fight.
Instead, stripped of history, we get clowns.
MLK - he wasn't just "I Have A Dream" but that's what you've made him.
But he didn't get killed for that and most people still didn't like him when he was struck down.
Afterwards, he was great. But in life?
Whites tormented him just as they torment others.
You tell lies to support what you want to be true.
MLK was on my side - not yours.
He had dreams for me - not those in my way.
You lie.
And that's the worst crime whites ever commit:
Hiding the truth.
Most people don't know who Angela Davis is so I get that they don't understand.
The context is that she is a criminal and a communist.
A perfect hero for the de Blasio administration.
I understand they are going to take down the statute of Father Duffy and will put up one of Angela Davis.
Crack was trying to make something out of my cost benefit analysis example and slavery.
Well, here is the harsh reality. Life is all about cost benefit analysis. Every day in even the smallest ways people make decisions based on the cost of the action and the benefit of the action. The cost of a situation and the benefit from the situation.
When the action is something small or impersonal we don't have many reservations about it. For example. Is it worth the cost of the coffee to make another pot when all I want is the benefit of one more cup? Not a whole lot of analysis and if I waste some coffee....no big deal.
Bigger items like: Should I move to Arizona? This analysis requires many more steps and a faulty decision can be costly in dollars. In addition there is a human cost to be considered. Do you have children, how will it affect them. Can you get a comparable job or take a cut in pay. Will you be happy???
The cost benefit of having slaves analysis versus hiring labor to do the work, while it was somewhat flippant, it is really a very serious cost benefit analysis that society needed to make. Besides the extreme immorality and inhumanity of owning slaves, there is the actual cost to society. Cost to the soul and just plain costs. SO at the cost of hundreds of thousands of lives fighting to free slaves, the end result is that the black people are free/not slaves.
Crack is going to argue that blacks are NOT free because they can't do anything they want or that they are being held back by whites. Well....get a fucking clue...everyone is held back by a lot of things. No one gets to do everything that they want. BUT...people who work hard, apply themselves, get some education, cooperate with others DO get ahead. The lack of all of the previous character traits has nothing to do with OTHER people. It has to do with a lack within yourself. Chief Justice Clarence Thomas, Doctor Ben Carson, Marian Anderson, and the black guy down the road who owns a mechanic shop and employs several people, all successful because of what they have in themselves.
Blaming your lack of ability, lack of character, lack of desire, lack of common decency in many cases on being Black or on other people is just a lame excuse. There have been laws and financial help for poor people and especially poor blacks. We, as a country, have spent billions of dollars to try to improve and help the black community.
Just like that other discussion about people need to be of use. It doesn't mean monetary use. Artists are useful in creating beautiful things for others to enjoy. Carpenters are useful, they make places for people to live. People who provide psychological support to the mentally ill are useful. Those who walk along the streets and pick up garbage to beautify the are....useful. SO....to the Black Community.....are you useful? Do you contribute? What DO you contribute to society, to your community, to yourself?
Frankly, my cost benefit analysis of this whole situation over the last 50 years: is that we are wasting our money, wasting our time, and getting zero or even less than zero return...... and frankly my dear....we don't need you.
Crack is going to argue that blacks are NOT free because they can't do anything they want or that they are being held back by whites. Well....get a fucking clue...everyone is held back by a lot of things.
Jesus - that's so clueless and cruel - considering what blacks have survived - it's really too stupid to contemplate.
Trooper York said...
Most people don't know who Angela Davis is so I get that they don't understand.
The context is that she is a criminal and a communist.
Trooper York is a liar:
"Davis was tried and the all-white jury returned a verdict of not guilty."
And a racist - don't forget it.
"Most people don't know who Angela Davis is"
Neither do you, fat man.
You ignorantly hate people. Try to rally people against them, when they fight for freedom.
You're a cultural parasite that must be shaken off.
Crack the misogynist race baiter on Michelle Obama:
"Every day - I mean every single day - I walk over to my computer, switch it on, and come face-to-face with an insane asylum. Really, there's just no other word for it. I mean, I've seen women like Michelle Obama my entire life - my entire fucking life - and never once did names like Hepburn or Bergman come to mind when I gazed upon such lantern-jawed relics of humanity. They just didn't. And another thing:
There's a thing about a lot of black people's faces, where they don't share what most would call conventional beauty, but they have a majesty all their own - it's a look I find to be about the most comforting image imaginable - the only way I can explain it is like when you see your grandmother smile or something. It's just *right* Well, I don't see that in Michelle Obama's face at all. I see the same angry, evil, I'ma-get-mine-before-you-get-yours visage I imagine people wear as they're pepper spraying each other trying to get the last X-Box at Christmas time...
http://althouse.blogspot.com/2012/01/there-are-also-aspects-of-her-that-make.html
She was just as innocent as OJ.
I hope they hire you to entertain when they put up her statue.
Of all the Blogs, in all the Nets, in all the world, Crack walks into Lems.
Play it again Crack. Remember we'll always have Althouse.
I'm not surprised Angela Davis won an award for Best Commie Crook.
Who came in 2nd?
Angela = Angel - that's one hell of a name for a Commie atheist.
DBQ: "Crack is going to argue that blacks are NOT free because they can't do anything they want or that they are being held back by whites. Well....get a fucking clue...everyone is held back by a lot of things."
Crack: "Jesus - that's so clueless and cruel - considering what blacks have survived - it's really too stupid to contemplate."
Pres. Obama at Morehead College, May 2013 -- "we’ve got no time for excuses":
"Just as Morehouse has taught you to expect more of yourselves, inspire those who look up to you to expect more of themselves. We know that too many young men in our community continue to make bad choices. And I have to say, growing up, I made quite a few myself. Sometimes I wrote off my own failings as just another example of the world trying to keep a black man down. I had a tendency sometimes to make excuses for me not doing the right thing. But one of the things that all of you have learned over the last four years is there’s no longer any room for excuses. (Applause.)
I understand there’s a common fraternity creed here at Morehouse: 'Excuses are tools of the incompetent used to build bridges to nowhere and monuments of nothingness.' Well, we’ve got no time for excuses. Not because the bitter legacy of slavery and segregation have vanished entirely; they have not. Not because racism and discrimination no longer exist; we know those are still out there. It’s just that in today’s hyperconnected, hypercompetitive world, with millions of young people from China and India and Brazil -- many of whom started with a whole lot less than all of you did -- all of them entering the global workforce alongside you, nobody is going to give you anything that you have not earned. (Applause.)
Nobody cares how tough your upbringing was. Nobody cares if you suffered some discrimination. And moreover, you have to remember that whatever you’ve gone through, it pales in comparison to the hardships previous generations endured -- and they overcame them. And if they overcame them, you can overcome them, too. (Applause.)
You now hail from a lineage and legacy of immeasurably strong men -- men who bore tremendous burdens and still laid the stones for the path on which we now walk. You wear the mantle of Frederick Douglass and Booker T. Washington, and Ralph Bunche and Langston Hughes, and George Washington Carver and Ralph Abernathy and Thurgood Marshall, and, yes, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. These men were many things to many people. And they knew full well the role that racism played in their lives. But when it came to their own accomplishments and sense of purpose, they had no time for excuses."
Jeez -- Morehead should be Morehouse.
Crack is calling himself a lion now.
Don't lions come from the jungle?
Crack you self loathing racist, for shame.
Off to the re-education camp with you.
And how much did you get paid for those "30 CD's" you are on?
I have 30 blank compact discs, I can put my warblings on each of them, and self distribute just like you do.
At the end of the day we will have made the same amount of money on our "music careers."
I see the same angry, evil, I'ma-get-mine-before-you-get-yours visage I imagine people wear as they're pepper spraying each other trying to get the last X-Box at Christmas time…
And that conflicts with what I just wrote, here, how?
In both cases I'm describing someone who doesn't care.
State your case, smarty pants.
The GOP has a long way to go before they can successfully peddle its wares to black people. Too much negative baggage built right into the machinery. I think a lot of them believe the Republican Party should be fiscally responsible party, and on other social issues they might simpatico. But so much of the rank and file - particularly the loudest part, are embarrassing them on race issues.
Not the Dems don't have their race problems. But blacks will continue to vote for the lesser evil.
Settle down there Louis, I'm pretty sure it is not the fault of the white man that your parents abandoned you.
Was it a white family that took you in for foster care?
The GOP has a long way to go before they can successfully peddle its wares to black people.
I am curious to hear why Crack self-identified as a conservative/republican in the past. There are reasonable reasons to do this but it does seem an odd choice given his current views on the defining centrality of racism in assessing the world.
Solzhenitsyn stated, "Little children in school were told to sign petitions in defense of Angela Davis. Although she didn't have too difficult a time in this country's jails, she came to recuperate in Soviet resorts. Some Soviet dissidents–but more important, a group of Czech dissidents–addressed an appeal to her: 'Comrade Davis, you were in prison. You know how unpleasant it is to sit in prison, especially when you consider yourself innocent. You have such great authority now. Could you help our Czech prisoners? Could you stand up for those people in Czechoslovakia who are being persecuted by the state?' Angela Davis answered: 'They deserve what they get. Let them remain in prison.' That is the face of Communism. That is the heart of Communism for yo
By the way, I am shocked, shocked, that someone is calling Republicans Racists.
I was hoping Obama would bring us together, like ebony and ivory.
Another Obama failure.
Black supporters of Angela Davis are the key to Republican Victory in 2016.
We must try harder to win them over.
Black supporters of Angela Davis are the key to Republican Victory in 2016.
Nope. I think it was woman 18-31 last time. I think it will be next time too. What they think about the GOP on race is what matters.
I gather they haven't been impressed.
Big surprise.
We will never get their votes so there is no reason to pander to them.
The Democrats will always buy them.
The only difference this time is that they will be pissed that their health insurance will be cancelled because of Obama.
If that happens that would be great. But they should not be part of our calculations.
So we shall see.
You never win when you compromise your principles to pander to people who can be bought.
Because they will never stay bought.
We will never get their votes so there is no reason to pander to them.
As someone who usually votes for the Dems I like how you think.
Pandering gives you McCain and Romney and the latest Rhino media favorite.
The way to win is to destroy your opponent with negative advertising to depress their turnout. And get out your vote. You know. The Obama method.
Oh please. You aren't toeing the GOP rank-and-file line. Obama won because black people are racists.
That is just one factor phx.
Add the blocking performed by the mainstream media and the fact that he was the imaginary boyfriend of so many Julia's he was able to lie and trash Romney enough to win. Plus Romney was afraid to fight back. Nice guys finish last. Or second in this case.
But I don't think Hillary is going to be anybody's imaginary girlfriend. So who do they have?
Biden? Fauxahontas? Kerry?
Maybe they can run Abortion Barbie.
Is there a reason why the fonts on Chip's posts are often preternaturally large? Doesn't he write enough sentences without having to expand their size out of all proportion?
He's not Drudge, you know. He doesn't have to make tabloid formatting into a whole, long post. Just shorten it to the descriptive, supposedly scandalous headline and put some flashing lights around it. We'll get the point, whatever the point actually is.
"Senator Tim Scott must be infuriating to that section of the NAACP that’s taking orders from the (predominantly white) Democratic party leadership. After all… Tim Scott was enthusiastically voted into the state legislature by white South Carolinian voters, he was enthusiastically voted into the First Congressional District by white South Carolinian voters, and later this year he’ll be enthusiastically confirmed as Senator by white South Carolinian voters. And – this is the good bit – he’s done that and will continue to do so without any help whatsoever from the NAACP. Given that the existing message is that the only way for African-Americans to get ahead is to cleave utterly to the Democratic party (of which the NAACP is pretty much a subsidiary of these days), Senator Scott broadcasts a profoundly subversive message simply by existing."
Moe Lane. Problem solved in S.C.
I'm curious to pick through the thread to see, like a little bird, if any intellectually vindicated morsels exist in this one (although the entertainment of these things is nice). But in the meantime, I'm just curious about what made Crack identify as a conservative, if that's how he still sees himself. You would think conservative means trying to reenact a time somewhere in the past. And I'm trying to figure out which era would that be, for him?
One secret to that conundrum might lie in the fact that Republicans weren't traditionally conservative. That happened in the 1980s. Before that their most beloved figure was a progressive, T.R. And before that, the first one - Lincoln. He was the first candidate of a party that was established on the remains of the former Whigs - a political and ideological group that was essentially the dictionary definition of an enlightenment-era progressive. In America they formed out of opposition to Jacksonian policies that they saw as too "reactionary".
Just saying.
As someone who was formerly agnostic on reparations, and supportive of affirmative action, I still maintain the burden of proof is on angry guys like Crack to show that such measures wouldn't just be a waste. What responsibilities does the black community have to encourage academic achievement, professional ambition, entrepreneurship, and stable family life? None? Is it all just about how much can be given by some amorphous "white man's government"? (Despite being incidentally headed, at its highest and most symbolic level, by a black man?)
I think that, given the rejection/disinterest by many black communities of attitudes or measures that would promote those things, the best you can do is go the Jack Kemp route. Identify "underserved" communities such as these, create empowerment zones, and institute policies that make self-help or market-friendly and other stabilizing measures more attainable. That doesn't have to be double-speak for "rich interests", either. Guys like Yunus and the Grameen bank have shown that micro-lending can be one of the most powerful innovations for helping people in abject poverty actually improve their lot in a proud, stable and realistic way.
Rhythm and Balls said...
As someone who was formerly agnostic on reparations, ...
Funny you mention that...I brought it up, reference John Conyers HR 40 (extant since 1989) about 100 comments ago to "crickets" from Meade or Crack.
Because ...shut up. So I did.
Well, you're a decent guy, Aridog (loved your comments the other day on Detroit, BTW), but should do your best to avoid shutting up, if it can be helped. Sure, it's nice to be respectful and civil, and sometimes shutting up is the only sane things to do - esp. when surrounded by people way too angry/vindictive/self-righteous to surrender to another person's reason. But your comments are usually the most thoughtful and/or helpful on here, and I think everyone else knows it.
@Deborah: You shine in this thread.
@Ari: I thing Crack and Meade are afraid of you and Ritmo or at least the questions you two raise. They'd rather just throw up their hands and scream "RACIST!"
Well, I just try to see the whole picture, CL. Racism's been a very strong historical factor, but one that declines every day with time and demography, as well as one that doesn't preclude very unhelpful attitudes among the very people that those who are wary and/or vigilant of (institutional) racism are likely to feel sympathetic to.
Ritmo mused:
"But in the meantime, I'm just curious about what made Crack identify as a conservative, if that's how he still sees himself."
I've heard it said that if you cut any Black guy deep enough you'll find a Southerner inside.
That might be part of the problem.
The nounage was a little different the last time I heard that old saw.
"Either way, I have re-learned to use my time in a better way."
Same with me. I now collect miniature tea sets from Uruguay.
AReasonableMan said...
The GOP has a long way to go before they can successfully peddle its wares to black people.
I am curious to hear why Crack self-identified as a conservative/republican in the past. There are reasonable reasons to do this but it does seem an odd choice given his current views on the defining centrality of racism in assessing the world.
I haven't changed parties, just stopped supporting my own in it's misdirection.
The Republican Party is the party of the Underground Railroad, not people itching to kill blacks.
The Republican Party understood the issues, not lied to make life harder for blacks.
The Republican Party understood freedom, constrained only by reason.
The Republican Party was vastly better than it is today.
A black Republican is curious? Not if you look at the history some of you are so keen on avoiding.
We've got the winning hand and you insist on blowing it.
If you don't see that, well, I do all I can,...
"collect miniature tea sets from Uruguay."
Yes, I know. It's what all the certified TM hipster racists are doing now. Very in.
The Crack Emcee said...
The Republican Party is the party of the Underground Railroad, not people itching to kill blacks.
As I said, there are reasonable reasons for this affiliation.
What responsibilities does the black community have to encourage academic achievement, professional ambition, entrepreneurship, and stable family life? None?
YES - They're "free" to pursue anything they like, just as white's do.
We don't want your "help" we want justice - and not for "just us" but for the country.
This hangs over us - people were trying to use it against me in France.
You guys don't understand at all,...
I don't know why he identifies as conservative, unless it is that he has friends who are further to the left than he is. Or maybe it's just to annoy others; don't rule that out.
Maybe YOU'RE not a conservative, but some twisted facsimile, ever consider that?
You ARE on the side that fought for blacks for about 350 years.
What's YOUR problem?
Be a shame not to give a link.
A little vistoso for my tastes.
YES - They're "free" to pursue anything they like, just as white's do.
Lol. Then why bitch at them for "out-pursuing" you? Like I said yesterday, most of the wealth this country built was after emancipation. You're angrier about the gains the country made after losing half a million emancipating you than you are about what black urban youths lose pursuing economically wasteful hobbies.
Bitching about whites not seeing their own racism becomes ridiculous when even Obama can take kids to task for never-ending excuses, and you can't!
He's the president, cuz. Maybe you should try learning something from him.
We don't want your "help" we want justice - and not for "just us" but for the country.
What does this even mean? It sounds like meaningless sloganeering. Even Will.I.Am stopped being useful after an election was won. The time for the troubadours has passed. Be useful. Learn about and try commenting on actual policy, for christ's sake.
Rhythm and Balls,
Then why bitch at them for "out-pursuing" you? Like I said yesterday, most of the wealth this country built was after emancipation.
That doesn't matter - you're ignoring the crime the profit was made from. In your own country.
What's wrong with you?
"You guys don't understand at all,.."
Yep, you're right about that Crack. For 300 posts people have been asking you:
1) What SPECIFICALLY do you want?
2) What is the End game?
Yet, all we get Crack rhetoric. Crack generalities. Crack talking about "justice". Cracky wordiness.
So SPECIFICALLY what can Whites (leaving out all the Asians, Hispanics, and Native Americans) do you for black Americans? What is "Justice"?
And no more slogans.
What does this even mean? It sounds like meaningless sloganeering.
Your ignorance is showing - this hurts all of us. If whites don't stand for justice in this country, we've got nothing, because it's built on ideals. Screw with those and we're lost. "All men are created equal" is Number One and, so far, we failed. And everybody knows it.
"Meaningless sloganeering"?
Right.
As Jefferson said, it's what we'll stand or fall by,...
That doesn't matter - you're ignoring the crime the profit was made from. In your own country.
What's wrong with you?
What's wrong with YOU? You think I don't understand the massive atrocity of slavery? Sure, it had ramifications that reverberated for a hundred years after it was ended. And for the last time, as I told you yesterday, its profits were consumed when Atlanta was burned. Why do you refuse to get that? America was still dirt-poor in 1870. Petty few slave-gains to repatriate. But you don't get that.
You want to say that black laziness and/or underachievement today is caused by injustice and white oppression. Guess, what? Both can be independently true. And I become more partial each day to the possibility that they could be completely independent of each other.
Prove me wrong. What good have you done with affirmative action? If you ask for something that you think I should feel sympathetic enough to give, it's my right to know that it's going to a good cause. Making black kids assume a never-ending oppression that will justify a never-ending laziness is not a good cause.
cocean said...
"You guys don't understand at all,.."
Yep, you're right about that Crack. For 300 posts people have been asking you:
1) What SPECIFICALLY do you want?
As Hillary said, what does that matter? First you have to say you're wrong, just like about Benghazi.
You want to be adversarial. Nobody gives a shit. What's most important is you understand you've been misled and are tripping.
For instance, nothing "happened" in Benghazi.
A dangerous post proved dangerous.
Nobody wanted our guys killed - they were "our guys".
So all you've been doing is making unnecessary problems for your president.
That's not patriotic.
That's not good.
That's not helpful.
That's not American.
That's not Republican.
It's bullshit.
And that's the kind of shit you need to fix in yourselves.
Along with this strange desire to play "gotcha".
Nobody thinks that's effective.
You're so focussed on money.
We need a country.
Your ignorance is showing - this hurts all of us. If whites don't stand for justice in this country, we've got nothing, because it's built on ideals. Screw with those and we're lost. "All men are created equal" is Number One and, so far, we failed. And everybody knows it.
What the fuck is ABSTRACT "justice"? Nothing. Name something. Equal or commuted prison sentences for minor/non-trafficking drug offenses? Check. Name your damn policy. There is no meaningful discussion of "justice" absent what could be decided in a court of fucking law.
"Meaningless sloganeering"?
Right.
As Jefferson said, it's what we'll stand or fall by,…
Whatever. He was just as much a meaningless sloganeer when he wanted to be one. But pick your morally lazy slave-owning idols to look up to and quote as you see fit.
Amartel said some time ago: So no, Obama is just a power hungry guy in Washington who wants to crush states' rights.
Hasn't he always more admired the sorts of governments his real father was part of? Didn't he write two books making that clear?
Rhythm and Balls,
Is profits were consumed when Atlanta was burned. Why do you refuse to get that?
What does that have to do with a crime?
Guy robs you, loses the money - does that mean a crime hasn't occured?
Arte you expected to say "Oh well, he lost my money, end of story"?
In a country ruled by laws?
Again - what's wrong with you?
What does that have to do with a crime?
Guy robs you, loses the money - does that mean a crime hasn't occured?
Arte you expected to say "Oh well, he lost my money, end of story"?
If he's dead? Yes.
For crying out loud. You've thrown away some perfectly good quotes here by Obama, and lectured me with the words of the morally lazy slave-owning excuse-maker, Tom Jefferson.
Do you not realize just how ironic that is?
Name your damn policy.
Where to start in a country that's been avoiding it's own shadow for 150 years?
I said, start simple - conservatives must acknowledge this is real.
Which, really, shouldn't even be hard for Republicans,...
If you got a slave master or Klan in your blood, blacks can sense that. That stuff lingers to this day. Just like Jews can sense Nazi blood and the Serbs can sense Croatian blood.
You know, there's a test for that now. You don't have to rely on skin color or last names anymore. I guess Bob should know that better than anybody. Crack could learn something from Bob.
Rhythm and Balls said...
What does that have to do with a crime?
Guy robs you, loses the money - does that mean a crime hasn't occured?
Arte you expected to say "Oh well, he lost my money, end of story"?
If he's dead? Yes.
But, in this case, the "guy" is America - which, last I checked, was very much alive.
Name your damn policy.
Where to start in a country that's been avoiding it's own shadow for 150 years?
I said, start simple - conservatives must acknowledge this is real.
Which, really, shouldn't even be hard for Republicans,…
Ok. I'll start there. I've started there countless times in the past. But Republicans weren't originally or for most of their history necessarily "conservative". Good luck getting getting political ideologues today to understand that. Partisans will do what they want. They have a different agenda than yours.
But one thing they have, that you refuse to gain, is a policy interest. You're left saying that you're about symbolism only. Well, then you're basically left doing battle between two different kinds of symbolism: Your symbolism versus their symbolism. It's a literary battle. Won't go anywhere and won't make anyone feel that there's any sense of "justice" over which their minds can be changed to anything meaningful for you.
Symbolism versus symbolism is literary masturbation. Unless those symbols are ascribed to a real thing or event, a policy, a war, whatever, whose outcome is tangible, neither symbol gets anywhere more than where it started.
Crack old friend, you said...
For instance, nothing "happened" in Benghazi.
A dangerous post proved dangerous.
Nobody wanted our guys killed - they were "our guys".
So all you've been doing is making unnecessary problems for your president.
You are full of shit. Wrong as can be...impossible to be more worng. Your President, my President knew exactly what was going on in Benghazi within 15 minutes of the first attack...CRITICOMM delivers that message within 15 minutes maximum. I have sent them, it is NOT a new technology. You seem to forget I was Army until recently and still am involved.
The whole "video protest thing" was made up, likely by General Dempsey, the little pussy man who quickly hustled that message to the press.
He lied. Clinton lied. They sent out Susan Rice to take the fall. Lot of respect there, eh?
People died.
Period.
Address subject matter you have first hand knowledge of...don't insult those of us who know what happened. Who've been there done that. It is beneath you.
And Ritmo, when exactly do you see this crime as occurring?
You intimate it was a long time ago.
When did Jim Crow end Ritmo?
Was that part of it to you?
If not, what did MLK die fighting?
I'm curious,...
But, in this case, the "guy" is America - which, last I checked, was very much alive.
An America in which there are enough progressive non-racists to do what no other nation of comparable size, strength and democratic tradition did, and elected someone of a traditionally oppressed minority group as its head of state - in the most powerful country in the world.
But he has more to say on these issues than you do, and more useful things to say on them, and you just have your resentment and a lack of not only accomplishment that matches his, but an understanding of what something anywhere near that level of accomplishment requires. So you have that going for you.
My question is, why should America take you more seriously than it takes Obama? Because that's what you seem to be saying it should do.
Pretty entitled, huh?
And Ritmo, when exactly do you see this crime as occurring?
Yes, legal equality wasn't even a remote possibility until the 1960s CRA and VRA and Republicans who think that problematic racism or institutionalized oppression disappeared the next day don't know what they're talking about. I've said that many times.
I just want to know how many generations afterward you think need widespread correction from that? At what point do blacks feel that they have what it takes to do the things they resent seeing white people do?
Rhythm and Balls,
Symbolism versus symbolism is literary masturbation. Unless those symbols are ascribed to a real thing or event, a policy, a war, whatever, whose outcome is tangible, neither symbol gets anywhere more than where it started.
Ritmo - again - we're not trying to "win" anything from anybody. This doesn't have to be the OJ Trial. You guys frame everything that way and that's part of the problem - your heart's not in it and everybody can tell.
We want America - not some reluctant assholes dragging along because they feel obligated:
This frees us all.
Nobody knows what kind of black assholes are out there better than me.
Nobody knows what kinds of raw deals good guys caught merely because they got flavor either.
Fuck our Fore Fathers - not Washington but fuck the rest. This is about us. And we decide where we go from here - and how.
Are we a bold dynamic country with every color and culture giving it's best or are we agnation of thieves and con men looking for the next mark to step off the boat?
It's got to stop somewhere, you guys.
We want America - not some reluctant assholes dragging along because they feel obligated:
That's what you don't get. Politics is about numbers - in a democracy at least. You never get EVERYONE. Never. Not possible.
There can even be obstinate hard-core hold-outs for quite some time. That happens. They don't subvert majorities or pluralities, no matter how loud they are. They just keep losing.
In the meantime, you look to generational and demographic realities. Less racists, less assholes, as time goes on. More multi-racial experiences. Fighting the dying is a stupid direction in which to take a battle, but if you can't see the trends of the future, and the way in which those trends fight and win your battle for you, then I guess your mission is already pre-defined.
Symbolism versus symbolism is literary masturbation.
Admit it, Crack: "Django Unchained" was masturbatory fantasy for you. You just resent the fact that Tarantino made it and not Spike Lee.
Aridog,
Address subject matter you have first hand knowledge of...don't insult those of us who know what happened. Who've been there done that. It is beneath you.
Aridog,
I haven't seen a shred of evidence indicating anyone in our government wanted our guys killed. You served. You know this. Do things "happen"? Yes they do. I served as well.
To accuse your president of this is disgusting. I saw it happen to Bush. I thought we all, here, were disgusted then. We are supposed to be better than this.
If I may say so, though, I think Django, Unchained was an awesome movie. And (apart from Pulp Fiction), I'm far from the biggest Tarantino fan.
The cast was perfect. DiCaprio's performance very good, and effective. And the way he had Waltz on a covered wagon with a spring-loaded molar swaying above him as he rode along, epic.
Rhythm and Balls said...
We want America - not some reluctant assholes dragging along because they feel obligated:
That's what you don't get. Politics is about numbers - in a democracy at least. You never get EVERYONE.
Nobody expects to - this is America. But when it comes to justice, this shit should be easy. We should be proud of it, as the unfinished work of KIng.
The Right has a path to political dominance, but they can't squander not over a sense of racial pride that belongs to blacks. We survived. You did what's right.
Why that can't, finally, be a basis for trust, I don't know.
Well, then maybe this is not the time or fight or progress for the right to properly oversee.
chickenlittle said...
Symbolism versus symbolism is literary masturbation.
Admit it, Crack: "Django Unchained" was masturbatory fantasy for you. You just resent the fact that Tarantino made it and not Spike Lee.
You are one sick puppy. No, my Tarantino masturbatory fantasy was Inglourious Basterds. Think about it:
Black guy, French Girl, Native American Psychopath, all the Nazis (NewAgers) die in a fire - brilliant.
I was married to a French girl, spent a lot of time with Germans in Alsace and Germany, have Native American Psychopathic friends and nightmares.
"Django Unchained" was a poor copy of better Blaxploitation films from my youth. I fell asleep watching it. Leonardo Decaprio was distracting. None of it was believable, even as cartoon history.
Spike's not even close to one of my favored directors unless you add in a historical context (he broke black film open) and I definitely don't see him as competing with Tarantino - two different worlds of art - but Spike's Katrina movie was brilliant where Quenten's currently treading water. So there.
You're racist.
I sense a lot of bitterness in Crackie, maybe some of it comes from his mother and father abandoning him, maybe he had a bad foster family experience (never did say if it was fishbelly crackers who raised you), or maybe it is just his litany of commercial and life failures.
Crack is not a young man, and any chance he probably ever had of being a success is probably at least 10 years in the past.
It would be sad, if it wasn't so amusing.
I was married to a French girl, spent a lot of time with Germans in Alsace and Germany, have Native American Psychopathic friends and nightmares.
Should I be impressed or something?
Rhythm and Balls said...
If I may say so, though, I think Django, Unchained was an awesome movie. And (apart from Pulp Fiction), I'm far from the biggest Tarantino fan.
The cast was perfect. DiCaprio's performance very good, and effective. And the way he had Waltz on a covered wagon with a spring-loaded molar swaying above him as he rode along, epic.
I'm not saying it didn't have it's moments. It just wasn't the the moth-to-a-flame experience I'm being imagined as having.
I was disappointed, if anything.
never did say if it was fishbelly crackers who raised yo
No.
And what "failures" are you alluding to?
Please, be specific.
Somebody should keep tabs on him now - I'm serious because this is justice:
Put up or shut up.
Either prove you know what you're talking about or be another white guy deciding an attempt at publicly torturing a black for no good reason.
I don't know you. I've done nothing to you. This is racism.
Are the rest of you going to stand there?
Would you expect me to, amongst blacks, if the scenario was reversed?
Get a clue. Make it stop. Here. Now.
chickenlittle said...
I was married to a French girl, spent a lot of time with Germans in Alsace and Germany, have Native American Psychopathic friends and nightmares.
Should I be impressed or something?
You are the most passive/aggressive thing I've ever encountered.
Are you female? Becauase, if so, I'm getting a room,...
Well, for starter's, your music career has been an abject failure.
I'm not sure how pointing that out is racist, but it must be my white privilege showing.
Your writing is also a failure, an incoherent mess.
And you just said that your marriage to a French woman ended in divorce, sounds like another failure to me.
What exactly have you been so successful at Crackie?
I am a bit flattered that you consider comments on a web site nobody is forcing you to read by a total stranger is a form of torture.
"I'm serious, because this is justice."
You are not being tortured dude.
We are.
If anybody on this site wants to make the argument that Crack suffers from a legitimate mental illness, I could be persuaded to stop "torturing" him with opinions.
If he is just a stupid middle aged man who happens to have dark skin and a massive victimhood complex, then I see no reason to desist.
Crack: I just meant that you might have gotten off seeing a black guy kill a bunch of white racists. That's sort what you project here. Seriously.
@PMJ: Well, you don't have to needle him over his failures. I'm sure we all have a few.
How did all that white space get in my 10:46 comment? Swear to God it wasn't performance art.
If you got a slave master or Klan in your blood, blacks can sense that. That stuff lingers to this day. Just like Jews can sense Nazi blood and the Serbs can sense Croatian blood.
You know, there's a test for that now. You don't have to rely on skin color or last names anymore. I guess Bob should know that better than anybody. Crack could learn something from Bob.
@Ritmo: Your reasoning skills and command of history have been fun to watch tonight. Thanks for that.
President-Mom-Jeans said...
Well, for starter's, your music career has been an abject failure.
Based on what?
chickenlittle said...
Crack: I just meant that you might have gotten off seeing a black guy kill a bunch of white racists. That's sort what you project here. Seriously.
And that's intentional why, Miss I-Host-A-Site-Where-People-Say-How-Much-They'd-Like-To-Kill-Blacks?
God, you're either dumb, or playing it, but - either way - you're good.
Crack could learn something from Bob.
Poor white people - they have every racial problem known to man, still think they have something to teach others.
It's a sickness, really.
An ugly, painful sickness,...
Based on commercial sales, being heard by a large number of people, based on mp3 downloads, based on the few reviews that had even heard of you.
And based on actually hearing some of the drivel. That can be your reparations, that is a minute of my life I will never have back, wasted listening to a no talent old man.
You are welcome.
You know, it really wouldn't hurt for us white folks to admit that the very color of our skin has made life at least a bit easier for us than if we had dark skin. Yeah, in particular instances, many of us have had a bad time of it, but we never experienced what it's like to know that you're considered inferior just because of what you look like.
I was lucky to have had this brought home to me on personal level on my very first job out of college in 1966, which was teaching 7th grade English in a school attended by mostly poor African American kids. I saw the hurt in their eyes every single day.
I also think it must be truly painful for black Americans to hear unending criticism of Obama, even if it is well deserved. And maybe especially since it is well deserved.
Crack said ...
I haven't seen a shred of evidence indicating anyone in our government wanted our guys killed.
That is not what I said.
I said Obama, Clinton, Dempsey, et al., lied about what they knew and when they knew it. Why did they set up the video ruse and send Susan Rice out on the talk circuit?
It's not that they wanted anyone to die, it is that they just did not care enough to tell the truth. Political considerations were more important.
To assert they didn't know of anything about a terrorist attack on day one is the lie. There is testimonial evidence now, from Gen Hamm and Gen Dempsey that they knew on day one, and that Panetta and Dempsey met with President Obama within minutes of the notification, in a scheduled daily briefing.
The rest is cover-up for the unnecessary lies. Suggesting anyone planned for those men to die is a straw man, in your words, not mine:
For instance, nothing "happened" in Benghazi...
Nobody wanted our guys killed...
That is you speaking and interpreting something, which you implied I made reference to, by the denial of evidence for something I did not say.
I owe no allegiance to any leader who looks me in the eye and lies to me...at least none beyond the statutory. I apply that to the last 3 as well.
President-Mom-Jeans said...
Based on commercial sales, being heard by a large number of people, based on mp3 downloads, based on the few reviews that had even heard of you.
The few reviews you can find say I'm a genius.
The rest is based on releases, and since I haven't released anything, you call that "failure". Which means you're an idiot, and a racist, as I thought.
You wasn't to know what failure in music is, he-who-has-no-music-career-at-all?
Writing bad music - and I'm not known for that.
BTW - This little episode is precisely the reason you guys are racists.
Aridog ,
It's not that they wanted anyone to die, it is that they just did not care enough to tell the truth.
They didn't care enough to give in to the braying Right-Wing extremists, out for blood already, you mean.
And why should they?
How much do you "care" about them, Aridog? You want to talk about service or patriotism - would you die for this president? Give him the benefit of the doubt?
Or is the entire game here like deb and April, and all these other crazy harpies playing "gotcha" with me, and doing anything but being self-reflective about trying to be part of something better?
All this insisting, Obama's the problem, is a great way to obscure y'all is one, too - an issue not on your radar for discussion because you extremists see yourselves as perfect - ideologically pure.
That's dangerous. Especially for extremists.
Shutting down the government, alone, showed just how far you guys would push everybody else around for nothing.
Brownshirt Politics, anyone?
Please make a note of it.
“I think we are born into this world and inherit all the grudges and rivalries and hatreds and sins of the past,” he said. “But we also inherit the beauty and the joy and goodness of our forebears. And we’re on this planet a pretty short time, so that we cannot remake the world entirely during this little stretch that we have.” The long view again. “But I think our decisions matter,” he went on. “And I think America was very lucky that Abraham Lincoln was President when he was President. If he hadn’t been, the course of history would be very different. But I also think that, despite being the greatest President, in my mind, in our history, it took another hundred and fifty years before African-Americans had anything approaching formal equality, much less real equality. I think that doesn’t diminish Lincoln’s achievements, but it acknowledges that at the end of the day we’re part of a long-running story. We just try to get our paragraph right.”
Lydia said...
"You know, it really wouldn't hurt for us white folks to admit […]"
Well-said. And true.
I have thought for some time now that the GOP should start quoting MLK and other respected civil rights era leaders as often as we can.
Like the Bible, there is so much out there available that we should be able to find an unimpeachable sentiment to solidify our position regardless of the position itself.
For instance, when people were protesting Sarah Palin in Madison (including my very own 50+ year Democratic-voting mother who said Palin should mind her own business and stay out of WI), we quote MLK, as I did over at Althouse as it happens, saying any American should be free to go anywhere in America without fear of great harm.
These are winning playbooks the GOP forgets about.
This is all about one thing: winning. Politics attracts many psychopaths and power-mad killers, like the Clintons, and lives are on the line every day, therefore we should allow no tact or sympathy unless it is used to advance our political ambitions. We are not here to make friends, we are attempting to survive.
From duels between Hamilton and Burr to Frank Underwood killing his coked-out MI peer in House of Cards, Americans have seen and will continue to see great battles and misexplained deaths for quite some time, Crack's plea's to God and us for help aside.
Everyone is racist. As I have said, you go look in the dictionary and find the definition that suits you best, and pray to God your fallen nature is acknowledged and confronted.
I agree with Crack's general thesis that the party of Lincoln was ideally positioned to attract African American voters and that the attitudes of a percentage of Republican party affiliates has made this difficult or impossible. He also appears to believe that this has damaged AA lives by blocking their pathway towards a more generally helpful ideology of less dependency and more individual responsibility. I am less convinced of this. This being said, strategically all minority groups should vote roughly 50:50 for the two parties so that neither party writes them off and both parties are forced to compete for their votes. So, I agree with Crack on the broader point that racist sentiments within the Republican party have hurt AA's in the recent political arena. Ironically, because of their fear of losing their remaining white voters, Democrats are now more sensitive to the loss of white privilege than they are to the needs of the AA community.
Women to a lesser extent have rejected the Republican party for similar reasons. In this case, because the split is much less extreme, it has helped their general advancement in society. Jews also work the system better by voting roughly 2:3 for R:D's. I think that after Obama's presidency AA's will begin to drift away from the Democrats as these strategic reasons become increasingly important overriding other concerns.
Crack claimed:
They didn't care enough to give in to the braying Right-Wing extremists, out for blood already, you mean.
And why should they?
The family of the 4 victims?
The abiltiy to investigate and bring to just the murderers?
But I guess now, justice and the family of the victims are just brushed off as "Right Wing Extremist" while they served both Obama and Hillary.
More crack:
Shutting down the government, alone, showed just how far you guys would push everybody else around for nothing.
You do realize Obama shut down the government. He was the one that refused to sign anything that the most democratic house of the legislature put before him. He's the same guy that just said he will ignore them going forward. The same person that had his administration go out, like brownshirts, and shutdown anything he could possibly claim to master including putting up barriers for an overlook of Mount Rushmore.
Yet Crack claims the right wing is acting like brownshirts? I don't think he knows the history of the brownshirts, starting with the fact that they were socialists.
And what was put in front of Obama to sign? A year delay of Obamacare. No sooner than Obama ended the shutdown, he unilaterally delayed several parts of Obamacare for another 3 months. That act is being challenged in court, because it was beyond his power. Yet, all Obama had to do was sign the legislation, and he would have had another year to perhaps make sure Healthcare.gov at least functioned.
"I remember it as an awful lot of fun, and that I made an awful lot of mistakes, and I wish I could go back and be more uniting in my language because I think I played a role in, unfortunately, in helping tear the country apart," Beck said.
"It's not who we are. I didn't realize how really fragile the people were. I thought we were kind of a little more in it together. And now I look back and I realize if we could have talked about the united principles a little bit more instead of just the problems, I think I would look back on it a little more fondly."
Beck is Mormon so he doesn't count, even if I agree with what he is saying. Right?
Racial extremists.
They never think they're extreme.
They think they sound clever, using MLK quotes for defending people and positions he'd never stood for.
But they come off as pretty crude and ham-handed once those words make contact with people familiar with what you're doing.
Then comes the pointless cry you weren't doing anything.
And then the attacks on anyone who knows you are.
All a colossal - and damaging - waste of time.
Lousy way to love your country.
Great way to fix your racial problem, apparently,...
"Or is the entire game here like deb and April, and all these other crazy harpies playing "gotcha" with me..."
A gentleman, you are not.
Consistency is not your strong suit, either. You ran the gamut yesterday, from threatening civil unrest all the way through to playing patriotic uniter. And never answered key, repeated questions.
Bitching at a bunch of over-the-hill white folks, who aren't any more racist than you, is shouting at the darkness.
With your communication skills, music history, and friendship network you could reach out to your community and effect some real change.
I have thought for some time now that the GOP should start quoting MLK and other respected civil rights era leaders as often as we can.
I would agree entirely, because I try to live by the notion of judging a person by the content of their character and not the color of their skin.
Alas, this is the typical reaction to the notion of quoting MLK:
They think they sound clever, using MLK quotes for defending people and positions he'd never stood for.
When a person puts you in a catch-22, sometimes your left just acknowledging that no headway can be made.
You hit the nail on the head. There is no headway to be made.
There is only one tried and true answer.
Benign Neglect.
Meade quoted I think we are born into this world and inherit all the grudges and rivalries and hatreds and sins of the past,...
Those grudges are not actually inherited like skin color but are taught. Whoever said those nobel-sounding words is a fool.
I once met an English woman who was deliberately planning to foster white guilt in her young son, then aged about 4 or 5. She even put it in those terms "guilt" as if it were some heavy debt passed from generation to generation. I argued with her at length, and tried to point out the unfairness of her position. She refused to listen. For unrelated reasons, she is no longer married nor does she have custody of that kid.
The problem with "Benign Neglect" is that it festers and explodes from time to time.
I'm not against improving race relations. One of the kids I tutor in chemistry is black, very bright, and will probably go somewhere. But guys like Crack are just hopeless.
I came back there this morning and deleted every comment I made in this thread.
Reflecting on it overnight, I couldn't see this morning how participating in that "conversation" with Crack Emcee made me a better person in any way. In fact, I woke up feeling lousy that I had participated.
"The problem with "Benign Neglect" is that it festers and explodes from time to time."
chick, come on, you've been poking at him, coaxing him back. But I think that's because we both know he wants to be friends. And he is not hopeless. He's just talkative :)
Michael, I think sometimes it's beneficial to blow the carbon out, but I'm pretty much done with this topic. I now fully understand where Crack is coming from, and I do think he's a victim of racism, but he's going in the wrong direction. If he listened to just one poster, I would advise him to take this quote from, Ritmo at 11:02, seriously:
"In the meantime, you look to generational and demographic realities. Less racists, less assholes, as time goes on. More multi-racial experiences. Fighting the dying is a stupid direction in which to take a battle, but if you can't see the trends of the future, and the way in which those trends fight and win your battle for you, then I guess your mission is already pre-defined."
@Deborah: I'd rather chat about art and science with Palladian, to be honest.
I'm glad I missed most of this yesterday. But I'll let stand what I wrote.
Crack is welcome to past comments in any of my blog posts. My delete policy is willful and capricious.
Chick, you have been posting intentionally provocative posts for a while. Not a lot, but a few, so I find your blase attitude hypocritical.
But, yes, you did say you did not like Crack since the Mary Baker Eddy exchange.
I just stopped by to give Ritmo some props ... good writing and thinking.
This just had to be said.
But, yes, you did say you did not like Crack since the Mary Baker Eddy exchange.
And I'd challenge you to find me saying something negative about him before that exchange. Hell, I used to admire Crack because he was pro-Palin. Still do for that reason.
I'm not commenting on your feelings before the exchange, I said you didn't like him because of the exchange.
Sixty, I thought it cleared the air. The Crack situation bothered chick enough to post the fire hose photo and blow the top off around here.
@deborah: And Ritmo is absolutely correct about demographics.
But are whites the only ones capable of racism? This is what Crack seems to want us to believe.
That is what I meant earlier with my swipe at Meade about evenhandedness. Meade also seems to be in denial. It's maybe not worth shouting up and down about things but why not acknowledge truths?
Of course not. I think everyone is racist, to a degree. I think the biggest racial hypocrites are the libs who infantilize blacks.
As to what he seems to believe, we'd have to ask.
chickenlittle said...
@deborah: And Ritmo is absolutely correct about demographics.
But are whites the only ones capable of racism? This is what Crack seems to want us to believe.
My god, not only do you lie about my positions but you're dumb too:
You've got ten people in a room - all of them capable of racism - but the nine whites have a history of beating up the black.
What do you do, constantly?
Worry if the whites are catching a fair shake.
RACIST.
If the black strikes back at his attackers - outnumbered 9 to 1 - label him violent.
And hide behind MLK's words - that's the cherry on top.
You've got ten people in a room - all of them capable of racism - but the nine whites have a history of beating up the black.
9/10 of Americans don't have a history of beating up black people, Crack. But maybe they do in your mind, which is my point.
Maybe the 9/10 are the people you encounter in this room. But they are reacting to a lunatic flinging words. Most of them are bored now, too.
Fine - 4 beat up the black while the other five pursued happiness with the money made.
And you worry about them.
Feel better?
@Deborah: One more parting shot before I too leave. I'm glad that you noticed my posting of the Mary Baker Eddy thing.
"And hide behind MLK's words - that's the cherry on top."
King's words were for everyone. Thanks for the conversation, Crack.
Funny, but he didn't say that when talking about racists.
'Course I did.
He was trying to reach racists, big and small.
Funny, but he can't reach you without re-framing.
Isn't that interesting?
You, literally, have to change the meaning of his life for his message to matter.
But, of course, it's NOT his message.
Except for pablum about character - which changing the meaning of a man's work DOESN'T reflect - Lem's blog doesn't reflect any of MLK's ideals.
Just the opposite.
MLK would have nothing to do with you, and you know it.
But he's dead, so you'll wear his skin like a pelt.
Without removing the blood,...
chickenlittle said...
Meade quoted I think we are born into this world and inherit all the grudges and rivalries and hatreds and sins of the past,...
chickenlittle then said… "Those grudges are not actually inherited like skin color but are taught. Whoever said those nobel-sounding words is a fool."
The "fool" who said those words is POTUS - from his interview with DAVID REMNICK - from where Sarah Palin seemed to find evidence of race card playing. I say she was mistaken.
And I think you are mistaken, chickenlittle, if you think Obama meant that those "grudges" are inherited in a biological or genetic way. What he meant, I think, is that we are all born into the world as it is, for better AND for worse: “But we also inherit the beauty and the joy and goodness of our forebears. And we’re on this planet a pretty short time, so that we cannot remake the world entirely during this little stretch that we have.”
Seems to me, in these instances - of race card playing and genetic inheritance - both you and Sarah Palin, respectively, perhaps do protest a little too much.
There will be explosions anyway. No matter what you do. No matter how you twist yourself into a pretzel to accommodate the culture of reparations and appeasement. All the programs and give-away and affirmative action and everything else that has ever happened in the history of the world does not matter. Listen to Crack. It will never be enough. Ever. He is telling you the truth.
After all is said and done the response you get is the need to punch a 78 year old woman in the head because she was Jewish and white and carrying her groceries home. It is as simple as that.
And you are racist for talking about it.
It is time to turn away and take care of you and yours. Because trust me nobody else will ever give a shit.
Thank you, Trooper Goebbels.
/sarcasm
Michael Haz said...
"I came back there this morning and deleted every comment I made in this thread."
With that, some of the longtime respect I've had for Michael Haz has been restored.
Unfair as it may seem, in modern America, joking about racism or adopting a hipster racist pose never works for anyone who passes for or self-identifies as white. It's simply a paradoxical restriction of white privilege.
Ask Michael Richards.
Wow, I thought once this dropped from the home page, the post would die.
I'm still judging people by character. Their character. I won't let a petty person convince me that the concept was wrong or not meant for me to embrace simply because of the color of my skin.
Perhaps the lawnboy who sponges off his much better educated and financially successful wife could send some reparations to the poor downtrodden Crack.
It would be very fitting, the transfer of wealth from the taxpayers, to a white female professor, to a similarly white male who didn't earn it (no Meade, sleeping with a post menopausal shrew isn't "earning"), who finally deposits it with a talentless but victimhood screeching black man.
Isn't that what MLK would have wanted?
Or you could keep running your stupid mouth and going all Godwin on your intellectual betters.
After all is said and done the response you get is the need to punch a 78 year old woman in the head because she was Jewish and white and carrying her groceries home. It is as simple as that.
I don't think it is "as simple as that," implying it represents acceptance in the black community. Surely Al Sharpton, of all people, was not an exception when he wrote last year, Knockout Games--The Biggest Form of Cowardice:
"When a 78-year-old Jewish woman was walking down the street in Brooklyn earlier this month, the last thing she expected was to be punched in the face. Tragically, that's exactly what happened. The elderly woman was apparently the victim of what authorities are calling a 'knockout game' -- where, according to police, an attacker or attackers aim to knock out a person with a single sucker punch. It is an alarming trend that is spurring outrageous incidents across the country. It is deplorable, reprehensible and inexcusable. It is insane thuggery, and it is unequivocally wrong. These kids are targeting innocent people, and in many cases specifically targeting Jewish folks. We would not be silent if it were the other way around, and we will not be silent now. This behavior is racist, period. And we will not tolerate it."
Lydia, I have appreciated your input on this thread. I have not heard your voice before and look forward to hearing more.
I posted that quote a couple of weeks ago.
Even Al Sharpton thinks the knock out game is reprehensible.
Crack thinks it is no big deal. He said so repeatedly while wishing someone come shoot me in my store.
That's what I am talking about.
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