Cindy Vinson and Tom Waschura are big believers in the Affordable Care Act. They vote independent and are proud to say they helped elect and re-elect President Barack Obama.
"I was laughing at Boehner -- until the mail came today," Waschura said, referring to House Speaker John Boehner, who is leading the Republican charge to defund Obamacare.
"I really don't like the Republican tactics, but at least now I can understand why they are so pissed about this. When you take $10,000 out of my family's pocket each year, that's otherwise disposable income or retirement savings that will not be going into our local economy."
San Jose Mercury News
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 400 of 400Dust Bunny Queen,
Why is it OK to persecute and denigrate Mormons, but Muslims are sacrosanct.
You know, to me, the "Muslims are sacrosanct." line don't fly.
The main problem with Mormonism starts with it being a modern day, documented, fraud. There's no way to defend it. No way to invoke the mysteries. We know what's happened. There is no doubt what-so-ever. It is a bonifide con, probably the longest on-going scam in history. I live in Utah and it's kind of like North Korea, if set up by the Sham-Wow guy.
I don’t think I would want to vote for a Scientologist or a Moonie for high office, or indeed any other kind, and I think attempts to silence criticism of such outfits are the real evidence of prejudice.
Mormons are ernest and gullible victims but, in keeping with the cult's founder, not above playing dirty. They are human beings.
Let's not condescend and pretend they are not.
bagoh20,
There is a point there. Obama becoming President made socialism and race baiting much more acceptable.
Never saw that coming, huh?
Chick, come on. Give me an argument. I did my damn disclaimers.
Methadras,
Like I told Freeman, I get what you are saying, I'm just not buying it. The fact of the matter is, is I'd prefer a mushy moderate like Romney, magic underpants and all, over a radical marxist america hating leftist like Urkel and if you think that a mormon is more 'eeeee-vil' vs. a black liberation theologist with the kind of upbringing he's had, well, then maybe your perceptions are skewed a little.
One reason I can do that is, apparently unlike you guys, I can read Obama, black skin and everything. You're still talking about "Urkel" and black liberation theology because there's been no movement in YOUR view of the man since he took office, when his incarnation as The DroneMeister - alone - is such a break from the stereotype, the Right painted, you'd have to be blind not to see it.
You are not talking about the man we have before us. He doesn't even talk to Oprah anymore, reportedly. So who are you describing to me? Who are you fighting? A real man or someone demonized to the point where even you can't get a bead on him anymore - hence the regular losses?
deborah, don't worry about Chick, you talk to me.
lol Allen. How did your Jeep/snow plow turn out?
I don't even need to show the media's bias with Mormans. Let's think back when Bush was running a yearly deficit of about $450-60 billion dollars. All you ever heard from the media was "Bush, and his wasteful deficit spending". Now, along comes Obama with his yearly deficits of double or triple that of Bush's and all you ever heard was "Obama and his stimulus spending."
I'm all like, wait a fucking minute, how come Bush's deficits weren't called stimulus, or why isn't Obama's deficits called wasteful.
See the difference, deborah?
The Crack Emcee said...
You're still talking about "Urkel" and black liberation theology because there's been no movement in YOUR view of the man since he took office, when his incarnation as The DroneMeister - alone - is such a break from the stereotype, the Right painted, you'd have to be blind not to see it.
You are not talking about the man we have before us.
As shown here, Crack is basically right about this. Obama has proven to be a formidable politician, but he does not get any credit from the right, apparently because they cannot see past their affirmative action delusion.
Marshal,
This is my favorite debate:
You say we shouldn't argue against free stuff. The only choices are argue against it or accept it growing.
No, we lost that argument - that's part of what's so hard for some of you to accept. How unfair you look to have lost and then do this. That wasn't the case before Obama's second term began, when the defund plan was first floated, but post-Trayvon (and I can't stress what a clusterfuck that was for Republicans) you look like racist monsters.
How did Obama get away with claiming Bush didn't help Katrina victims because they were black while supposedly moderate liberals claim his racial comments aim to bridge differences?
Cult of personality. And I know people, like Allen S, think I send you to my site for what few clicks I could get from here but, really, it's because that's where I keep the evidence.
The left controls the media, and Academia conditions the public to accept the media message. This both allows the media to focus two minute hate campaigns on targets of the left's choice and conditions the public to dismiss accusations the left doesn't support. We don't have these weapons.
So we fight stupid. We try to meet them on their field, playing their game, and losing the way Uncle Saul said we would because guess what?
WE AIN'T UNCLE SAUL'S KIDS.
Breitbart was the only guy who also seemed to understand the culture beyond his little part of it. He was out there fighting for black pig farmers AND bringing Anthony Weiner down on Twitter - and then telling the media what shit they are, to their faces, before the cameras. And you guys are all "we can't fight".
No, you can fight, but you also need to think,...
I see the difference, but how are you factoring that into the press and Mormonism. The press was very unwilling to go down that road, it being about religion.
Unwilling? How many people in this country know that Reid is a Morman, as opposed to those that know Romney is one?
By the way, what religion does Obama claim?
What religion did Obama claim to long for way back when?
Crack and Deborah also right regarding Romney. If he had been elected president it would have been a radical change. As the ceremonial leader of the country it would have been a dramatically different level of acceptance of Mormonism than having Harry Reid as a sometimes head of one chamber of congress.
Even with the Pope's new found ecumenicalism it is hard to imagine him embracing Mormonism in the same way he would accept Judaism or even Islam.
By unwilling I meant they weren't going to diss Mormonism.
United Methodist, I think. Pardon?
deborah said...
Also, they have a loophole provision that it is ok to lie about their religion if it is convenient.
So do muslims. Hmmm...
AReasonableMan,
Even with the Pope's new found ecumenicalism it is hard to imagine him embracing Mormonism in the same way he would accept Judaism or even Islam.
Yeah, try explaining this even on the national stage. Without the jokes.
I think we need to consider that Mormonism was begun with a scam.
Possibly. Also probably not the first religion in the world built on false pretenses, exaggerations, fables, and other made up stories. And YOU should care if the Mormons believe a scam....because?
Also, they have a loophole provision that it is ok to lie about their religion if it is convenient.
Unlike Muslims who lie not only about their religion, they lie about their laws and everything else....riiight?
You do realize that you don't have to believe anything or everything that someone tells you.
Look. I'm not defending Mormonism, since I really don't know anything about it. I do know Mormons who are among the nicest and most community minded people. What I don't like to see is bigotry and attacking a man and his family because they believe something different and relatively harmless to you.
Mormons aren't bombing innocent people and killing those who refuse to convert to Mormonism. If they did, I would be just as down on them as I am on the radical elements of Muslim religion. Until they do, I really don't care what they believe in or what kind of underwear they are sporting and I don't understand why YOU care.
Methadras,
Also, they have a loophole provision that it is ok to lie about their religion if it is convenient.
So do muslims. Hmmm...
Chiropractors and homeopaths, amongst others, have something like that in their code of ethics, too. A "no snitch" clause. Almost overwhelmingly Democrats - but with Mitt, too. Oh well, no loss - take 'em all out.
That would be a LOT of the Left's support gone overnight,...
There has to be boogiemen out there, DBQ, that's why.
Sorry. It was United Church of Christ, by name. In practice Rev. Wright was heavily into liberation theology.
Chick, I was explaining what I gathered to be Crack's poont of view. However, yes, I do think a Romney presidency would have raised the profile of Mormonism and made it more popular.
To what concern about Scalia do you refer? You lost me there.
What should be said to a man that stated only a year or two ago, that his parents were slaves?
Why do people tell such blatant lies?
I've tried to make the case that Bill Clinton made it acceptable for an executive to get head from his subordinates in the office, but I'm not convincing anyone.
However, yes, I do think a Romney presidency would have raised the profile of Mormonism and made it more popular.
And....once again....so???
DBQ, you are throwing some straw men in around. I said nothing about underwear or Islam. Please go back and read what I said. I worded it carefully to avoid misunderstanding :)
Freeman, yes, I forgot about Scalia, that lost me, also.
Allen, I would like clarification on that. Surely he meant they were slaves figuratively.
I hope there aren't any Mormons in here. If so they are probably wondering what they did to be so feared and loathed that a NAMBLA President would cause less "concern".
Dust Bunny Queen,
I think we need to consider that Mormonism was begun with a scam.
Possibly.
No - 100% for sure, fact.
Also probably not the first religion in the world built on false pretenses, exaggerations, fables, and other made up stories.
No, again, it is the first in the modern world (Scientology being another) and, thus, not up to interpretation - everything is documented in news stories, etc. - and isn't limited to mere deception, but outright brainwashing and fraud of such epic proportions, it's rarely been seen on Earth.
I mentioned North Korea earlier. I don't know how you guys process an entire country which believes that little fat fuck, Kim Jong Un, makes the sun come up, but we have been nurturing something like that here at home and turning ourselves into pretzels pretending like it's normal.
And YOU should care if the Mormons believe a scam....because?
A massive injustice, done against a dumbshit, is still a massive injustice.
Oh no you did not.
Dust Bunny Queen said...
I do know Mormons who are among the nicest and most community minded people. What I don't like to see is bigotry and attacking a man and his family because they believe something different and relatively harmless to you.
I think we can agree on this.
Religion should at least attempt to rise above the temporary alliances and shifting winds of politics. It seems most appropriate that a politician's religious beliefs, if they are to have any real personal meaning, should be kept out of the political sphere. The more they attempt to inject them into politics the less sincere I view their beliefs.
AllenS,
What should be said to a man that stated only a year or two ago, that his parents were slaves?
Why do people tell such blatant lies?
Like I said, Allen S, you and the rest of the fools were never bright enough to ask how that could be, and I am so past telling you it's now like a funny catch-phrase for racists around here. Yep, I said it, because the racial resentment is so clear in it.
How dare I attach myself DIRECTLY TO SLAVERY.
You want that moral tie severed so badly it can drive you to distraction - and does - that's why you keep bringing it up without knowing what the story is.
You can't DISPROVE it, because you haven't a clue what the story may be.
Have fun with the crumb, Allen S. Asshole.
The Crack Emcee said...
One reason I can do that is, apparently unlike you guys, I can read Obama, black skin and everything.
Oh right, because hiding beneath all of that black skin is a half-white guy who's out to get us all. mwahahahahaha!!!
You're still talking about "Urkel" and black liberation theology because there's been no movement in YOUR view of the man since he took office,
I call him Urkel because he stands around and looking at the damage he's doing without blinking an eye and saying, "did I do that?" just like Urkel did on the TV show. Plus the fact that his ultimate conclusion is that no, he's doing just great.
when his incarnation as The DroneMeister - alone - is such a break from the stereotype, the Right painted, you'd have to be blind not to see it.
I'm not blind. I see the drone daily. Repeat the lie all day long for as long as you can and have it disseminated from your spokes-mouths and yourself until it is heard, believed and integrated. Drone, drone, drone. There is no blindness here.
You are not talking about the man we have before us. He doesn't even talk to Oprah anymore, reportedly.
What does that have to do with him being an america hating leftist radical marxist who was basically born and bred to be this way from day one? He's still the same, except now he has power to manifest his America hatred on a global scale. Do you believe he's telling the truth when he says he doesn't hate america?
So who are you describing to me? Who are you fighting? A real man or someone demonized to the point where even you can't get a bead on him anymore - hence the regular losses?
I'm fighting against a man who believes that leftism, this putrid ideology of death is what should be the leading thought for all peoples around the world. It's ingrained in him. He's never been a conservative. He'd never understand it. He wouldn't know how. That is what makes him dangerous and that is what makes him inherently evil. I fight the man, who brings the message of death and evil. That is a fight worth fighting as best as I can. He's POTUS, I can't directly deal with him. I know what he is. His demonization is warranted and valid. He should be demonized. He should be vilified. He should be fought at every turn. Not because of skin color, but because his ideas are deadly and have no reason to exist.
Wait a minute! How did you know my last name?
DBQ, Crack is correct that a Mormon president would increase Mormonism, and Crack thinks Mormonism is a dangerous form of cultism, so he opposed a Romney presidency on the basis of it spreading what he believes to be a dangerous form of cultism. That's it. What else is there to understand?
No...really. I completely fail to understand why you should care that Mormons believe a scam, or what you perceive as a scam. Especially, when, if you think about it almost ALL religions are predicated on either scams or impossible events. Even if it it was/is a scam....Why do you care?
I don't think that dancing with snakes is a religious practice that I would like to follow, but who am I to deny the participants the opportunity. Turning water into wine is a pretty nifty magic trick and could easily be a scam. Arising from the dead and ascending bodily into heaven based on the say so of some wandering acolytes could be a scam. It is in the eyes of the beholder. Healing the lepers. And so on. If you want to be literal....all religions are based on scams and fakery.
Even IF a Romney Presidency made Mormonism more visible....what would be the problem? Do you think that people will suddenly abandon their current religious beliefs and flock to being Mormon? Did we have a sudden influx into the Catholic Church when JFK was elected?
We don't have laws to allow polygamy....yet....It is coming. Bet your boots on it and it won't be the Mormons pushing that agenda.
I do NOT understand why it is an issue or a problem if Romney is a Mormon since he has never in his political career used his religion in his political and law making powers.
It is not in the least comparable to Obama sitting for years in a Church that preached hatred for 'whitey' and actively roots against America. Obama is President of THE UNITED STATES and as such owes his first allegiance to that office. The Mormon Church...to my knowledge, doesn't preach for the downfall of the United States or preach that certain demographics of people are evil and should be destroyed.
Why do you care?
Haha! I just saw the "poont" typo. Point. But poont is pretty funny.
DBQ, I think you are being a bit disingenuous. I am sure you would care if the presidential nominee was a Scientologist or the follower of some living guru.
Methadras,
I'm fighting against a man who believes that leftism, this putrid ideology of death is what should be the leading thought for all peoples around the world. It's ingrained in him. He's never been a conservative. He'd never understand it. He wouldn't know how.
So you imagine - once he had that sit-down with, say, the CIA - he wasn't changed at all. That new grey hair is just a gag, to throw us off the hook to what's REALLY going on with him, right?
And of course he wants to destroy the country. He thinks about that every time he looks at his daughters, how badly he wants the country, they'll grow up in, to fail.
You're boxing with shadows,...
How old are you, Crack?
"... so he opposed a Romney presidency on the basis of it spreading what he believes to be a dangerous form of cultism."
Ha, that exactly what's wrong with guy we got instead.
Freeman Hunt,
DBQ, Crack is correct that a Mormon president would increase Mormonism, and Crack thinks Mormonism is a dangerous form of cultism, so he opposed a Romney presidency on the basis of it spreading what he believes to be a dangerous form of cultism. That's it. What else is there to understand?
I voted against "gay" marriage in California, not because I hated the idea - let's not go there - but because it was a twofer:
Gay hero Gavin Newsom couldn't go on to be Governor of California and the Mormons took it on the chin.
Strategy:
That's how I use my vote.
deborah said...
I see the difference, but how are you factoring that into the press and Mormonism. The press was very unwilling to go down that road, it being about religion.
How unwilling was the national media in dealing with Obama sitting a pew for 20+ years in a black liberation theology church hearing radical leftist anti-american screeds being spewed on a daily basis. He's POTUS. I don't see a massive prominence in Black Liberation Theology and people flocking to it. The idea that Romney, who has governor of Massachusetts, would have somehow elevated mormonism because he is one is silly. In fact, the national media would have done to him what Crack is doing to him, magic underpants and all. There are 6 million mormons, by my estimation in this country. There are many more black liberation theologists than mormons.
Freeman Hunt said...
Chick, I was explaining what I gathered to be Crack's poont of view. However, yes, I do think a Romney presidency would have raised the profile of Mormonism and made it more popular.
Sorry Freeman, that would just simply be untrue. Did Kennedy make catholicism more popular? Has Obama made Black Liberation Theology more popular?
DBQ, it might not make that big a difference to have a pres that is part of a religion grown on a scam of Christianity, but I do not have to like it.
Freeman Hunt said...
DBQ, Crack is correct that a Mormon president would increase Mormonism, and Crack thinks Mormonism is a dangerous form of cultism, so he opposed a Romney presidency on the basis of it spreading what he believes to be a dangerous form of cultism. That's it. What else is there to understand?
Crack is not correct that a Romney presidency would increase mormonism. There is zero proof of that.
Again, DBQ, I never defended Obama, and did not vote for him either time. Please stick to my statements.
deborah,
How old are you, Crack?
If you're trying to understand the slavery story, it won't help - much - but 52.
If anyone wants to know if it's plausible for me to be raised by slaves, ask Freeman to hit me (because I'm sure she can keep a secret) and I'll explain it to her.
If I'm lying, she can tell you yes or no, without revealing how it happened.
I like keeping Allen S and Sixty being wrong, though.
I am sure you would care if the presidential nominee was a Scientologist or the follower of some living guru.
Not unless his actions in his office were based on those beliefs. If he/she made laws to advance his religious organization to the detriment of the rest of the population. Yes. Yes. Yes. I would care. If he/she showed preference for "his people" at the expense of the American people....I would care a lot.
Otherwise, unless the religion involved sacrificing or torturing animals or abusing small children...I don't give an eff.
If the Candidate were a participant in a religion that was that repulsive to the American people, then he/she would likely not be elected.
The tarring and feathering of Romney and Ann Romney for an innocuous and harmless religion bordered on hysteria by the media who frantically wanted to protect their "chosen one".
bagoh20,
Ha, that exactly what's wrong with guy we got instead.
True, but I wasn't willing to trade.
Freeman Hunt said...
DBQ, Crack is correct that a Mormon president would increase Mormonism, and Crack thinks Mormonism is a dangerous form of cultism, so he opposed a Romney presidency on the basis of it spreading what he believes to be a dangerous form of cultism. That's it. What else is there to understand?
I really don't care for you to explain Crack's opinions because I'm done negotiating with him. :)
I care more about your opinions, actually. My point about Scalia was that plenty of people are aware of his Catholicism and they hold it against him. I happen to think it's wrong.
When I go to the ballot box I don't see a big "cultist" symbol on someone's name; I see or a "D" or an "R" or another party. That is how I was taught to discriminate.
Perhaps you and deborah would have been happier had he denounced or renounced his family's faith. Obama did something similar denouncing his pastor but did Michelle's family?
Or (just guessing here) perhaps, like crack, you think that he's just forever tainted because of his family's faith. Either way, I'm disappointed.
"I'm fighting against a man who believes that leftism, this putrid ideology of death is what should be the leading thought for all peoples around the world. It's ingrained in him. He's never been a conservative. He'd never understand it. He wouldn't know how. That is what makes him dangerous and that is what makes him inherently evil. I fight the man, who brings the message of death and evil. That is a fight worth fighting as best as I can. He's POTUS, I can't directly deal with him. I know what he is. His demonization is warranted and valid. He should be demonized. He should be vilified. He should be fought at every turn. Not because of skin color, but because his ideas are deadly and have no reason to exist."
I think you're incorrect about the leftism. I think he's neoliberal like the Clintons and the Bushes. The goal is to sreamline progress and world order. Healthcare is seen as an important part of that economically.
The Crack Emcee said...
So you imagine - once he had that sit-down with, say, the CIA - he wasn't changed at all.
Oh, I'm sure he got the daily briefings about what's what and who is where, but overall, he's meh on the whole thing. Kill, subvert, or do whatever and keep it on the downlow, blah blah blah. In fact, some would say the CIA is a mess under Obama. I would tend to agree. Just another way for him to screw this country over by subverting one it's intelligence agencies.
That new grey hair is just a gag, to throw us off the hook to what's REALLY going on with him, right?
That job ages anyone unnaturally regardless. It's 24/7 on call until you are out. Ruining a country from within is a very labor intensive task, you silly man.
And of course he wants to destroy the country. He thinks about that every time he looks at his daughters, how badly he wants the country, they'll grow up in, to fail.
You're boxing with shadows,...
And you sometimes display a delusional idea of intentions. His family is utterly insulated for life. If you don't think he wants the failure of this country or at least to do us much damage economically to it through his leftist ideas, then you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
Will you please ask him, Freeman?
I look at health care industry as a poor cowering Chinaman in an SUV and a bunch of asshole bikers are attacking him.
Obama is just the guy with the helmet bashing in the window.
Dust Bunny Queen said...
The tarring and feathering of Romney and Ann Romney for an innocuous and harmless religion bordered on hysteria by the media
I didn't see this happen. The press was very hands off regarding Romney's religion, appropriately in my view. Obama was under much more pressure to justify his church during his first presidential campaign.
I am not buying that you would not care if a candidate was a Scientologist. There are a small number of people for whom I could believe this would be true, you may be one of them, but I think you would care.
The Crack Emcee said...
And you guys are all "we can't fight".
No, you can fight, but you also need to think,...
We're fighting with the weapons we have, not the ones we'd like to have. You should take your own advice.
deborah said...
DBQ, it might not make that big a difference to have a pres that is part of a religion grown on a scam of Christianity
What year is it? Have you ever heard of Anno Domini? Do you know what that means?
it might not make that big a difference to have a pres that is part of a religion grown on a scam of Christianity, but I do not have to like it.
We can agree to disagree. Once again. I completely fail to see why anyone would care if Mormonism was/is/might be based on a scam. No one is making anyone convert.
Most religions are based on scams or misrepresentations and all are based on the ability of people to believe in impossible stuff.
So? As long as those beliefs are held in the private sector and not utilized in the capacity of creating laws and policy. So?
I just don't get the mindset that cares about these issues. It isn't logical.
The wars over religion are coming.
If you refuse to allow a Mormon to be President because he is a Morman.......you are on the wrong side.
Chick, you are disappointed?
DBQ said: I just don't get the mindset that cares about these issues. It isn't logical.
It's a damn handy way to dismiss someone you dislike for other reasons without having to come out and say why. That's not my style but I can see the appeal.
I'm out again but I'll be back...
As a believing Catholic I know that many leftist don't think we should hold public office.
Or be on the court.
Winter is coming.
Dust Bunny Queen,
The tarring and feathering of Romney and Ann Romney for an innocuous and harmless religion bordered on hysteria by the media who frantically wanted to protect their "chosen one".
Please - Mormonism is such an ugly mish-mash of other religions, occult beliefs, and just outright fraud (in the legal term) they got off easy. I mean, a prominent MS spokesperson promoting homeopathy? It doesn't get much lower than that. Her husband manufactures the product - they HAVE to know it's a scam. But hey, if the gentiles get taken, who cares, right DBQ?
And let's not even ponder Utah's Orrin Hatch getting the downright evil DHSEA law in place, right before Mitt was to go into business but ran into some "problems" like,...science.
No, they've all got clean hands alright, yes they do,...
Understood, DBQ :)
But I think what ended up happening is that enough people did not like the Mormonism, rightly or wrongly.
The press did not go after the Mormonism, I think because it would have opened the door to people bashing Obama's religion.
Methadras,
Oh, I'm sure he got the daily briefings about what's what and who is where, but overall, he's meh on the whole thing.
I'm right - you don't see a human being.
You're doing the same thing the Left did to Bush.
Can't form good policy foaming at the mouth, Meth,...
The ideology of Barack Obama is far more dangerous, more insidious, and more addictive than Mormonism could even hope to be. A Romney Presidency was not gonna encourage many people to adopt Mormonism. It's a very hard sell if you didn't grow up that way.
The Progressive ideas of Obama's real religion are just about as dangerous to this country and our people as ideas can get. People believing that going on the dole is a valid choice for a career, or that forcing people paid far less than you to fund your benefits regardless of the job you do, the quality of it performance, or how necessary it is, believing that the solution to your problems will be provided by politicians in a far away city playing political games of self-enrichment, believing in a free lunch; these are dangerous infectious ideas already far too prevalent. Funny underwear isn't even close. In fact, I'd love if all the socialists would convert to Mormons. Equal silly - less damage.
Another thought about the religion or personal beliefs of the person who is President.
THIS is why we have three co equal (supposedly) branches of government. SO that on person can't go off the rails and will be checked by the other branches. It is also why we have TWO Houses of Congress to check and rein in each other and to 'represent' the people and held accountable by being frequently up for election.
The President isn't the king or a dictator...at least hasn't been. Congress can't just do anything it wants. And the Justice system is supposed to hold everyone accountable to the fair implementation of the laws.
So IF we did have crazy Scientology follower in the White House or a Liberation Theologian, the other departments of government are (theoretically) supposed to keep the balance of power and keep one person from going out of control.
So again....if the government is working as intended, we should be able to contain an ideologue. IF.
Hmmmmmm?
The Crack Emcee said...
Methadras,
Oh, I'm sure he got the daily briefings about what's what and who is where, but overall, he's meh on the whole thing.
I'm right - you don't see a human being.
You're doing the same thing the Left did to Bush.
Can't form good policy foaming at the mouth, Meth,...
Oh will you just fuck off already with this bullshit. You are so fucking wrong sometimes, I'm surprised your head isn't dented from smacking it up against a wall hoping you are right.
Trooper York,
Crack is just like most brothers.
The only people you can demonize are white guys. You don't get more white than the Mormons.
It's that simple.
Ooooh - that's like Dr. Schultz stabbing Django in the back.
No, Troop, I criticize blacks all the time. I put videos on my blog of them doing the most horrendous things. Nobody notices how rarely I do that to white people. I guess you guys don't think I could, but that's stupid.
There's a method to my madness.
Unfortunately, even as the Right declares it MUST CHANGE, it A) has no idea why or how, and B) is so paranoid it can't even trust those on it's side to help.
That's a piss poor position to be in.
Almost makes you a *little* black by default,...
Trooper York said...
As a believing Catholic I know that many leftist don't think we should hold public office.
That is going to be news to the former speaker of the house.
"It's a damn handy way to dismiss someone you dislike for other reasons..."
Explain this, please. Who are you accusing?
The press did not go after the Mormonism
Seriously. You think that the press didn't stress the (weirdness) of Mormonism. The blogs and articles promoted by the 'journolist' kids went a long way to swaying people against Romney. There was an active campaign to tar the Mormons and the Romneys in particular.
Don't get me wrong. I wasn't pro Romney....or anti Romney. I just don't like the maddening crowd action.
I don't have time to find links as we are just sitting down to a crab, shrimp, roasted red pepper and tomato bisque soup with buttered rolls and salad.
:-)
bagoh20,
A Romney Presidency was not gonna encourage many people to adopt Mormonism.
For the record, I never said that would be the result. It would've validated the cult, that's for sure, and - boy! - did they want that.
Why do you suppose?
ARM I am talking about "Real Catholics" not those that support abortion like Nancy Pelosi.
She is Catholic like A Rod is a Yankee. She may wear the uniform but she is a disgrace to our values and traditions.
Disgrazia.
I have to say I have a lot of respect for Crack in standing alone against so many strong commenters. That takes balls and that is the true Macho Response.
I hope that there are not many who would vote for President based on somebodies Religion but I am afraid there are a lot of people like that out there.
So don't worry Crack....you are not alone out on that limb. The others are just afraid to get on it with you.
The funny part is I never liked Romney and didn't want him to be our candidate. It sucks that at this late date we still have to defend him.
Its like Romney is A Rod or something. I have to defend him because he is on my team but I never liked him and really didn't support him.
Wait a minute I am starting to think everybody is A Rod.
It must be the meds.
Nevermind.
Methadras,
Oh will you just fuck off already with this bullshit. You are so fucking wrong sometimes, I'm surprised your head isn't dented from smacking it up against a wall hoping you are right.
Ah, so because you read he doesn't care, that means he doesn't care. He can have no ideas of his own after 5 plus years on the job of doing a pretty good job of regularly killing our enemies.
You really don't get this black thing, do you? What's known as The Twoness - you don't understand it. You can't read it. So you fill up your life hurling assumptions about what could possibly be going on in his head, from a white, singular, viewpoint that can be completely undone by that man saying "I don't care about style points."
You really need to stop because all you're revealing is how little you could possibly know.
He's an enigma to you - as probably most black people are.
At least they seem like it to much of the Right,...
But Crack we know black people. We see them in our dreams.
That's why we are scared. Just sayn'
Trooper York,
But Crack we know black people. We see them in our dreams.
That's why we are scared. Just sayn'
Heh. It's a crying shame,...
We dream that we see Obama bashing his motorcycle helmet against the drivers window of the SUV of the American Dream.
Trooper York,
We dream that we see Obama bashing his motorcycle helmet against the drivers window of the SUV of the American Dream.
Did you see that guy flipping everybody off after sentencing?
Lost HIS vote,...
The Press and the intelligentsia are like the undercover cop who was there and saw what was going on and didn't do anything.
They are just going to let them pull the American dream out of the car and give it a beat down.
I care more about your opinions, actually.
Chick, you seem more interested in making assumptions about them. What are you disappointed about? I haven't even offered an opinion on Mormonism, nor do I plan to, and I supported Romney in the election. What are you on about?
As for all these analogies with Catholicism and black liberation theology, they don't work. Catholicism wasn't some mostly unknown faith that wanted for a higher profile, and black liberation theology is a niche political movement without the possibility of broad appeal.
Since Crack doesn't understand whites he is projecting that whites don't understand blacks.
This is all correct. But so are the following: whites don't understand whites and blacks don't understand blacks.
Carlton Banks doesn't understand DJ Jazzy Jeff much, and Crack sees himself as the DJ Jazzy Jeff who knows Carlton is naive in areas where Crack could help.
The thing is, I am Will Smith.
Always have been.
Heh.
Well get used to it. The liberals are taking over City Hall and these types of crimes will be more frequent as the administration will be more concerned about the rights of the criminals than the rights of the victims.
This defiance will be par for the course for the next few years. Until it gets so bad that even the asshole liberals will vote for a Giuliani.
Right now we are due for a deep drop in the quality of life.
Mormons should be discriminated against if they believe they are equal to Jesus Christ and far, far superior to other human beings.
Many Mormons believe this and I hate them for it.
Many do not believe this and I do not hate them for it.
Hey Will Smith. Stop whoring out your kids. Let them be kids for a while why don't you.
Who do you think you are....Ethel Gumm!
DBQ, before bemoaning Romney's fate too bitterly consider that an atheist would have no chance of being elected under similar circumstances. Atheists appear to be almost non-existent in the political sphere yet based on the statistics of the general population they should be reasonably common, especially among highly educated men. Certainly much more common than Mormons.
Also, consider that if it is okay to be against Obama partly on religious grounds, as many of us were, it's okay to be against Romney on religious grounds. Voting for the president is a gut vote on some levels.
Stopped in to read this thread. Same old shit as was at Althouse, mostly.
Crack is his own cult. A cult of one seeing cults everywhere else. The perpetually aggrieved.
Good night and good luck.
Crack - Thank you. I appreciate a good laugh first thing in the morning.
This is the way the thread ends,
This is the way the thread ends,
This is the way the thread end,
Not with a bang but a whinge.
Crack-
I hope that you have a lovely and blessed day. Best wishes!
I'd stick around for more fun, but it's a beautiful day and I've got things to do.
-Haz
Michael Haz,
Crack-
I hope that you have a lovely and blessed day. Best wishes!
Now lookie there - actually trying to relieve some of the grievance. Thank you, Michael. Thank you. Very Christian of you.
It would've been nicer if you'd entered the conversation that way, but Thank You,...
The Crack Emcee said...
you just walked in and, with no one attacking you, established yourself as an asshole.
So this is only acceptable when followed up with whining that negative reactions to unprovoked attacks can only be driven by skin color?
Marshal,
There's history. You can't make it go away, so trying is pointless. Deal with it as it is:
Michael Haz - a Christian - walks in and takes an unprovoked shot.
Trooper congratulates me - one black guy, whether you like it or not - for fending off a group (with, mostly, Freeman Hunt for help in translating whatever foreign language the rest of you think I'm speaking).
Several interrogations (deb, be cool) without anyone questioning whether they're entitled to do that to me.
I betcha, if this was a black site or if Lem's had a bigger black presence, there'd be a lot of people asking "Who do you think you are?" But not here. Or at TOP. Everybody just sits back and whatever happens, happens - to me, the black guy. How many times?
There's no call for ethics, right? Except by me. We're politically incorrect. Just don't talk about the white guy or you're a "race hustler" which white people can say, everyday, without mentioning the history of whites in this country, so there's a HUGE gray area for hustlers of all stripes to operate in. Because there's no color now - or racism:
That's not a black guy in the barn we've set on fire, that's Crack, and we're just watching what happens - it's an experiment called "A Black Guy Being A Republican In America".
How many months ago was the party declaring it had to change? How we doing with that? Did I miss those meetings? I certainly wasn't INVITED. Come on, be real with me:
Did they even happen?
And you want us to shut up about you, like that's somehow out of character for whites, when looked at by blacks - because WE mention skin color.
Amazing, and funny, in a sick "dark humor" kind of way.
Optics again - you guys suck at it,...
Crack I love like that unwanted brother we left at the orphanage but let me clue you into one thing about the black white relationship in this country. I am sure you know it but it bears repeating.
White people are just tired of the never ending black bullshit. It never stops. Enough is never enough. More and more people are fed up with it and you are going to see the effects of this backlash as more and more people are going to shrug off cries of racism.
Now you are going to say why do white people get to say that. The answer is that the buyer is the one who decides. When you were trying to sit at the lunch counter we could buy that. Easily. But this endless stream of victimization is wearing thin. It's that simple.
I do admire you standing behind your principles and being strong in the face of opposition. That's muy macho dude. Dumb but muy macho.
Black people are like Burt Reynolds. At one time Burt Reynolds was hot shit. Everybody wanted to be Burt Reynolds. Be cool like him. Have a sex life like him. Just be him.
But then it got old. Now he is just an old guy in a wig with a porn star mustache.
Orange is the New Black. We've watched 4 episodes and like it.
Distraction helps in getting dogs out of their OCD loops.
Crack ... I'm not joining this conversation except to comment on one thing you said...
He [Obama] ... after 5 plus years on the job of doing a pretty good job of regularly killing our enemies.
No he has not done a good job killing our enemies. He and "Jackhammer John" (Brennan)have done virtually nothing, save use improved technology, not previously done by "Blowtorch Bob" (Komer) and LBJ. Neither accomplished jack shit and never will defeat an enemy with such a strategy. It has been done before and it failed, so of course, do it again, and then again I suppose....we're bound to have different results someday.
The rest of this long conversation is above my pay grade.
Drear Crack: My shot (your term, not mine) was not unprovoked. I read all of your comments on this thread and expressed my opinion. It may not be exactly like yours, but hey, diversity.
But hey, you have an extra-special day now.
Trooper York,
White people are just tired of the never ending black bullshit.
Ha! Like blacks - the underdog in this relationship - aren't? What makes you guys so special that you get away from criticism? Or makes you think - after however many hundreds of years of bad and basically unpaid treatment - that blacks are going to somehow just clam up their feelings when they have a chance to speak freely, basically, for the first time?
You guys do get that everything is for the first time - not just the presidency - because whites didn't allow us to do anything, don't you?
Now you are going to say why do white people get to say that. The answer is that the buyer is the one who decides. When you were trying to sit at the lunch counter we could buy that. Easily. But this endless stream of victimization is wearing thin. It's that simple.
Sorry to bust your racist bubble but, I don't think the fact whites outnumber us is going to shut anybody up - didn't work so far. And the only answer you got is go back to be outright racists to fix it - which is what you're threatening.
Anything, but for you to accept the same history and country I have to live in, and deal accordingly.
That's all very white of you.
I do admire you standing behind your principles and being strong in the face of opposition. That's muy macho dude. Dumb but muy macho.
I know. I've already lost friends, readers, donations (when I need them most) and more - all because the Right can't stick up to it's pledge to change - but continues to engage in dumping on the lowest rungs of society it created.
Excuse me if I hide my surprise.
Oh - and about that threat - everybody knows you've been buying guns by the barrel full.
Nobody's under any illusions what for - you forget:
We know you better than you know yourselves,...
Aridog,
It has been done before and it failed, so of course, do it again, and then again I suppose....we're bound to have different results someday.
The rest of this long conversation is above my pay grade.
The rest of this conversation is stupid, as always. Thanks for the tip.
The Crack Emcee said...
Marshal,
There's history. You can't make it go away, so trying is pointless. Deal with it as it is:
Michael Haz - a Christian - walks in and takes an unprovoked shot.
And there's history: Crack Emcee walks in and takes unprovoked shots. Except Crack whines the pushback he gets must be related to the color of his skin. But if you agree unprovoked shots deserve pushback how were you able to conclude you only received it because of your skin color?
And further, Haz's shot wasn't unprovoked, it was in response to yours.
Here's a tip: if you want to be welcomed try not to insult everyone. You're complaining, but you received a much more positive response than the others whose only contribution is insulting everyone else.
When the shit goes down, it'll be kinda hard to spot a liberal or a a gay, but - just like before - blacks will be easy targets.
The message is, before you guys go full-blown KKK - again - if I have anything to say, I better get it all out now.
You guys really have no idea how crazy you are now.
I told you, you never should've fucked with Mitt Romney,...
You have to understand that it is not just whites and blacks that are in the mix now. The Asian guy who got the beat down in the SUV can tell you that the Asians are not very fond of black people. Or the Indians or South East Asians. The elite have recognized that they made a mistake in freeing your people from bondage. That is why they are importing a new slave class from Mexico. The window of opportunity for "integrating" fully is closing rapidly. Maybe it would be better to reach out and make friends instead of being so unreasonable. Obama is the apex of the push for civil rights. He has proven to be a divisive and inept race monger. Even you who pretends to be a conservative still has to cheer for his boy. Well quess what Jack. The game is over. The wheel turns. It is time to find a new way to talk instead of being a victim all the time.
Your choice but the clock is ticking.
We know you better than you know yourselves,...
And the screenwriters for "Justified" knew how to express that better than you do.
Just sayin'
You know why people are buying guns?
Because they don't want to end up like that poor sad Chinamen in the SUV who had nothing to defend himself with but a pair of chop sticks and a Iphone.
And the black dude who was giving the finger while he was being sent to Rikers said it all.
You don't have be a Weatherman to see which way the wind is blowing.
The Crack Emcee said...
You guys really have no idea how crazy you are now.
I told you, you never should've fucked with Mitt Romney,...
Screaming that people are crazy for supporting a moderate over a leftist reflects far more on you than anyone else. It's not that big a deal to prioritize a particular issue over the priority assigned by most others. But claiming it's "crazy" for anyone to have those conventional priorites just shows you're unable to understand the political environment.
Marshal,
And there's history: Crack Emcee walks in and takes unprovoked shots.
Now, on top of the very apparent madness, you're resorting to lying - this is a thread. My first comment was to the Dust Bunny Queen:
You guys have flung the Republican Party between the Democrats and a bus and want to be thanked for it,..
Ooohh - really going for the jugular there. Not trying to help my (white) party extradite itself from a mess they can't win. No, that's an "unprovoked" attack, even though they're sinking all of us as a party.
Now compare that to Michael Haz - coming in on a thread with 300 comments that, at it's worse, had come to some kind of detente (sp?) at the end.
Not good enough for him. He, who must live a life that's just peachy-keen (isn't that how white people say it?) has to dump on those for whom it isn't so. He even notices they're "perpetually aggrieved," like his wonderful presence isn't even a comfort.
Can you imagine?
I mean, after a decent talk with you guys yesterday, I wake up this morning and check in and there's Good Ol' Mike determined to ruin the good feelings that got me to return.
And I'm the bad guy, to you, of course.
Fuck you.
Trooper York ,
Your choice but the clock is ticking.
Can you tell me something I don't know?
What part of "you're racists" don't you understand?
You are threatening to kill blacks because you don't like us after making us slaves.
WOW!
Tell me again why Obama won't negotiate with you, and why he hates America, and wants to work against it, and why he SHOULDN'T feel that way after this thread's turn?
I like a good story,...
When the shit goes down, it'll be kinda hard to spot a liberal or a a gay, but - just like before - blacks will be easy targets.
Actually, when the shit goes down the targets will be anyone who isn't local, anyone that I don't know and especially anyone who is in the wrong place at the wrong time (on my property trying to take my 'stuff' or acting in a threatening manner) whether I know them or not.
Race, creed, voting patterns, sexual orientation is immaterial.
everybody knows you've been buying guns by the barrel full.
Nobody's under any illusions what for - you forget:
We know you better than you know yourselves
I can't speak for all of the other white, honky, racist, redneck crackers that you feel you are surrounded by, but my main goal in buying ammunition for the guns I already have is to shoot (in this order) deer, elk, geese, ducks, maybe a cow if absolutely necessary, ground squirrels, foxes, cougars and if forced to, anyone in the first paragraph. I have already shot all of the above except the targets in the first paragraph and cougars (they are pretty rare, although the 80 yr old lady down the road shot one in her hen house a few years ago). If people don't want to be shot....stay home and stay out of my space.
Come on Crack, give me a break.
You have any idea how hard it is being an oppressor? Sometimes a guy just makes a mistake.
Dude! You sound like a broad. What we hurt your feelings. Buck up brother. Not everybody is going to appreciate your posts or your points. Nobody gets more hits about their stuff than me but you can't let that throw you off stride.
Com'on tell us some more about how much we owe you guys because of slavery and stuff. It is always fun.
I'm an equal opportunity get the fuck off of my lawn kinda gal.
:-)
Trooper York,
You know why people are buying guns?
Because they don't want to end up like that poor sad Chinamen in the SUV who had nothing to defend himself with but a pair of chop sticks and a Iphone.
Sure, Troop, keep telling yourself that.
You just admitted whites - and everybody else - are sick of blacks. You - whites - outnumber us well over 10 to 1.
But, somehow, you truthfully want to suggest whites take more shit off blacks than the other way around.
You're in a dark place, Troop, because that's a mathematical impossibility,..
You are threatening to kill blacks because you don't like us after making us slaves.
Push broom generalization.
Marshal,
Screaming that people are crazy for supporting a moderate over a leftist reflects far more on you than anyone else.
You've run the party into a ditch, you moron.
How much destruction does it take before a white guy can say "I'm wrong"?
You just admitted whites - and everybody else - are sick of blacks. You - whites - outnumber us well over 10 to 1.
I'm sick of liberals and they outnumber me.
The Crack Emcee said...
Now, on top of the very apparent madness, you're resorting to lying - this is a thread. My first comment was to the Dust Bunny Queen:
You guys have flung the Republican Party between the Democrats and a bus and want to be thanked for it,..
Ooohh - really going for the jugular there
You missed where you claimed people voicing different opinions than you were racist for doing so.
The Crack Emcee said...
You see anybody other than a black guy being interrogated here?
Which one of us is lying?
Trooper York,
Com'on tell us some more about how much we owe you guys because of slavery and stuff. It is always fun.
I'm not appreciating this now because you know I told you guys at TOP to get off the race shit. YOU couldn't.
How many times did I storm away because of it, Troop? Not calling you racists, but just stupid for insisting on it?
Now - again - I BECOME THE BAD GUY. Why?
Because I'm now engaged in the same racial nonsense YOU couldn't shut up about when YOU wanted to.
And now you're threatening to kill me.
I'm going to show this to my black friends and they're just gonna be like "Told you so,..."
The Crack Emcee said...
You've run the party into a ditch, you moron.
How much destruction does it take before a white guy can say "I'm wrong"?
Maybe you'd make more sense if you dealt with people's actual positions instead of ranting over nonsense and blaming things you disagree with on whiteness.
Dude it is not white people killing blacks that is the problem. You have got to be kidding me.
I am not in a dark place. I am a realist. I have seen this shit before. On the subway. In the street. It is not black people that have to fear white people. That's pure grade A bullshit pal. Hey it got Obama elected and all as all the liberal pussies bought into it but just wait until their kids start to get beat downs. Their tune is gonna change. Right quick.
Dust Bunny Queen,
I'm sick of liberals and they outnumber me.
Not by the same numbers. Not to where you can never - ever - escape their extremely hostile, can't-wait-to-be-let-off-the-leash presence. Where you can never dismiss their effect on and in your life.
You guys are lying to yourselves - big time.
The Republicans were just admitting they had to change.
You guys are lunatics now - you've Failed.
Marshal ,
You missed where you claimed people voicing different opinions than you were racist for doing so.
Now you're lying agin by trying to change the subject - we were talking about making an entrance, you fool.
White people aren't that bright.
Or maybe it's an hour-by-hour thing because - before Michael Haz added bad blood - you were a pretty smart cookie,...
Having the means to protect yourself is not threateing to kill you Crack. That is paranoid shit man. Just because I have a dick doesn't mean I want to fuck you. I mean that would be gay. So having a gun doesn't mean we white people want to kill black people. We just want to defend ourselves when you break into our houses like that blackdude did to that white woman and have her a beatdown. That's the reality brother not your bullshit paranoid fantasy.
The Crack Emcee said...
Now you're lying agin by trying to change the subject - we were talking about making an entrance,
We were discussing unprovoked attacks, but naturally you want to limit the scope knowing how poorly you rate on the metric you judged others by.
you fool. White people aren't that bright.
Stay classy.
Trooper York,
Hey it got Obama elected and all as all the liberal pussies bought into it but just wait until their kids start to get beat downs. Their tune is gonna change. Right quick.
And we blacks are going to laugh, as we die, because you brought it all on yourselves for bring us here to slave for you.
Nobody expects you to be fair. We expect you to make us suffer. We expect you to be illogical. We expect you to be cruel. We expect you to be stupid. We expect you to flatter yourselves. We expect you to be the worst of humanity, in every way possible, because - with few exceptions - that's what you've always aspired to yourselves!
Nobody's ever going to think of you as "soft" on blacks, right, Troop? That would be an offense - to other whites and your own brain.
Meanwhile - as I've told you - I'm here actually trying to do the opposite, under threat of death.
Oh man, you guys are so fucking GOOD.
I swear, the next time I hear about some white guy dying - or some white child being abused - all I've got to do is think of this thread and the laughter will be uncontrollable,...
Trooper York,
That's the reality brother not your bullshit paranoid fantasy.
You're the one telling me to watch my back for talking like whites do every day.
I'll add you don't say shit to them for doing so.
I wondered why your racist jokes are usually the best thing about you,...
Who collects racist jokes?
I told you to watch your back because people who enable you madness are not helping you dude. You are a man and you have to do what you think is right. But don't expect anybody who lives in the real world to buy your bullshit.
Life is not a Quentin Tarrantino movie. It is more like the original material that was ripped off: Mandingo.
I don't want you to end up like Ken Norton boiled in the big pot.
That is what will happen if you fight for other peoples amusement. Just sayn'
Crack, the only reason this blog exists at this point is to be a forum for bullies. They never accepted you, because you are black and " sassy" enough to speak your mind. I'm pretty sure other commenters here besides the local well known bullies, see what an incredibly dysfunctional place it is. It only functions well if there is a victim to bully. Notice the threads that get the most comments? These are the sick MOFO 's that dirtied up the Althouse blog.
Lem you really want to perpetuate this?
They just want them to leave us alone. We have had enough. It never ends. But you guys are like five year olds. You keep pushing to get a reaction. That is not a smart thing.
Are you just dumb today? Are you seriously going to tell me that quote, above, couldn't be spoken by almost every black person in this country - and it wouldn't have more validity than any white person?
Really, Troop?
After 400 years of this very bullshit?
I'm sorry, man, but you've lost all credibility with me.
Go climb up on your precious pedestal.
It's amazing Inga still pretends everyone else is the problem.
Now she supports people who claim "White people aren't that bright" simply because it allows her to attack others.
The truth is Inga is as nasty as anyone and contributed more to the Althouse fiasco than anyone else.
Are you seriously going to tell me that quote, above, couldn't be spoken by almost every black person in this country - and it wouldn't have more validity than any white person?
Of course not. Everyone wants to be left to mind their own business and be able to get on with their lives without being shoved around. It is a completely valid desire.
Do you think that black people are the only ones who are being pushed at, shoved into a corner, told what to do, restricted, bullied, taken advantage of, marginalized, discriminated against?
Sure, you have intimate knowledge of such things from the black person's perspective. I certainly don't and can't pretend to and I don't minimize it either. However, you can't pretend to know what experiences of the same types of discrimination and restrictions that other people experience. To dismiss it in other people and think that 'you' are the only ones is to get to the root of your blindness and narrow focus.
I can't walk in your shoes....and you sure as hell can't walk in mine. You might however, try to acknowledge that everyone get blisters in their own shoes and recognize that you aren't the only one with pain.
Maybe I am dumb Crack. Explain to me how black people just want to be left alone and not subject to this mind numbing escalation of civil rights claims. I just don't think that is the case. I think youse guys are just a big bunch of babies and are crying for the tit. The government tit mostly. Now you have a guy in place who wants to give it to them.
Just calling white people dumb doesn't seem all that smart a response to me. But hey maybe it is the Macho response.
Dust Bunny Queen,
Do you think that black people are the only ones who are being pushed at, shoved into a corner, told what to do, restricted, bullied, taken advantage of, marginalized, discriminated against?
Of course not - we're just the only group that has to shut up about it because you guys are getting sick of hearing it - except when you want to to talk about it, and then, even a black man begging you to drop it has no effect.
400 years of your obstinance and we're supposed to be thinking about you.
Sure.
I swear, you guys are really something today,...
Wait a minute. I just don't want the black people to shut up. I want the Mexicans to shut up. And the Orientals. And the Indians. Man they are always bitching and dancing around Bollywood style with those stupid fucking sitar's.
Why can't you all shut the fuck up and let us enjoy our white privileges in peace.
Crack said ...
You - whites - outnumber us well over 10 to 1.
Not where I live. Not even close. Black, Arab and Mexican are the majority by factors near 9:1 where I live. I'm an ignorant fucker becasue I like it here. I am armed, have a CPL, and what color or ethnicity someone has makes no difference to me...if they are assaulting me or mine or my neighbors they are a target, period. Short of that, we're friends here and yeah, we get a lot of unwanted dumb fuck advice from out of town and the dickhead attornies, both hard right and hard left, make money off it.
Inga said...
They never accepted you, because you are black and " sassy" enough to speak your mind.
The reason I have not participated to any extent on this thread is because of its race centered thread line. Anyone who has read my remarks before on "race" knows I find most of this shit to be just that, pure shit.
How do you know who is black, white, yellow, or brown, on this or any other board, unless they tell you so? Yet, you draw a conclusion about black & sassy as a reason for non-acceptance by the entire board? Who the flip are you to speak for the entire board? I'll tell you up front that you don't know what you are talking about who accepts who and for what reasons. You're just talking shit.
Trooper York,
Maybe I am dumb Crack.
It's looking that way.
Explain to me how black people just want to be left alone and not subject to this mind numbing escalation of civil rights claims.
Nope - you got it - they're bleeding you dry and you're giving them all the ammunition needed, to do so, right here on this thread. Reparations? You say no, so they're going to get 'em, one way or another. And there is a reason - and it's a fine one:
You work too hard at not being good people.
That's the problem the GOP faces right now - you can't "cave" can you?
Who are you trying to impress, guys? It's not working. You've boxed yourself in. You're going to lose no matter what you do and you'll look and feel foolish when it's over. You're not defending some principle - you're just losing.
And, Troop, you've lost more than most.
I think youse guys are just a big bunch of babies and are crying for the tit. The government tit mostly. Now you have a guy in place who wants to give it to them.
Yeah - imagine that. And they don't care what you think of it. I've been saying that a lot lately - no one cares what you think. You have grossed everyone out to the point where your outlook is as outdated as the KKKs. Because you're just not nice people.
You're not Republicans. No one can trace this conversation to Abraham Lincoln, except for the fact I can speak. You're the bad guys, can't you see that?
Just calling white people dumb doesn't seem all that smart a response to me. But hey maybe it is the Macho response.
But calling black people government tit-sucking imbeciles of violence makes you a saint.
And - of course - whites played absolutely no role in why blacks would do that.
They need to readjust your meds or something,...
Remember that the reason this thread took off is that Crack told us that Romney's Mormonism was reason enough not to vote for him. Pure and simple religious bigotry.
It devolved into the fact that the black peoples have a boo boo.
It always does.
Never said I was a saint.
Just a cold eyed realist who knows what the real world is all about.
I don't need somebody to bash in the window of my SUV to tell me that.
And Crack telling us to lay back and surrender because we are going to lose anyway will not fly here. Go tell it to the pussies at TOP who want to surrender. They are even coming over here to groom you.
No retreat. No surrender.
I know they want to turn the whole country into Detroit but we can't let them do that. If we can.
I don't know if we can turn it around. But we can't if we turn into bitches and thank them for the beating they are giving us.
Winter is coming. But I say no retreat and no surrender.
It is true the water pill they gave me is getting me pissed off.
Every 15 minutes.
Sorry if I was rude.
This comment section got long because of all the people trying, hoping, to make sense of the obscure rantings of a racist, or at the very least race-obsessed, cult follower. When challenged to be clear, he deflects and projects.
You're the racist/race-obsessed.
You're the cultist.
You're all weak and worthless.
He freely delivers up insult and incoherence time and again and whines dramatically about being "interrogated" about it.
But he can't be clear because then he'd have to own the views he projects onto other people.
Bottom line: He supports, or at the very least gives undue respect, to an obvious socialist cult leader simply because that man is black. Being conservative and strongly, empirically, anti-cult, he finds middle ground by supporting deferential RINOs.
Aridog,
You - whites - outnumber us well over 10 to 1.
Not where I live. Not even close. Black, Arab and Mexican are the majority by factors near 9:1 where I live.
That's what Troop's on about - pockets where others have opportunities for revenge. I've hated that shit, too, since I first saw it in my teens. It shaped my outlook, a lot, and taught me about human nature. I wouldn't be here with you without it.
But I don't blame black people. Why not?
Because nobody here - and most of you have known me for years - is acknowledging that I told you repeatedly to drop race at TOP.
Because nobody here - and most of you have known me for years - is acknowledging that you repeatedly let me walk away rather than drop race at TOP.
Because nobody here - and most of you have known me for years - is acknowledging that, until the black guy started talking about race, you've had it and wanted it as a topic here and at TOP.
In other words, as long as I was tortured by it, it was O.K. with them.
And now I'm the bad guy for acting like whites here - they've agreed on it.
Like they have a little private area to get revenge.
Racism is one nasty business,...
Nobody gets to dictate the topics that we talk about buddy. Race is one of them. Homoism is another. Religion. Food. Whatever.
Trooper York,
I know they want to turn the whole country into Detroit but we can't let them do that. If we can.
That's what you're doing, you jackass. You. You are alienating everyone you're trying to reach - you think it's me - without realizing the tide is clearly against you. I'm trying to throw you a life-line and you're too stupid to take it - because I can't stop being black.
What a fool,...
Trooper York,
Nobody gets to dictate the topics that we talk about buddy. Race is one of them. Homoism is another. Religion. Food. Whatever.
But you're sick of hearing black people talk about it.
BWWAAAAA-HAHAHAHA!!!!1
ROTFLMAO!!!!!
And you're not being racist.
Troop - you're embarrassing yourself, man.
"Like they have a little private area to get revenge."
October 8, 2013 at 1:44 PM
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Bingo. Crack, sees it, says it.
Trooper York said...
I have to say I have a lot of respect for Crack in standing alone against so many strong commenters. That takes balls and that is the true Macho Response.
I hope that there are not many who would vote for President based on somebodies Religion but I am afraid there are a lot of people like that out there.
So don't worry Crack....you are not alone out on that limb. The others are just afraid to get on it with you.
I wouldn't vote for someone as president on their religion alone. Now, that is clearly circumstantial. If Romney was say an actual muslim, a buddhist, or say a NewAger then no, I wouldn't have voted for him/her. An atheist I have no issue with, a Christian, no problem, A mormon, overall, not an issue. I can overlook certain things for the larger picture. Romney would have brought a more economic pro-growth presidency to bear I believe. That's what I voted for, not his religion.
The idea that his mormonism would have brought prominence to it is clearly worth noting, but I do not believe it would have done a thing beyond giving the media ammo to strike at his magic underwear.
Racism is one nasty business,...
Yes it is.
And here is my experience with racism.
One day I was driving my car to work in San Francisco when I stopped at the top of one of those hills that are difficult to stop at, especially when driving a manual transmission. and you have to go partly into the crosswalk. Suddenly, for no reason whatsoever, a black guy carrying a carpenter's apron, full of tools, hammer etc decides to just whack my windshield.....laughed and walked on with is buddies. I guess my fault for being a white chick driving on the same road he was walking one....right???? I should have been grateful that they didn't do anything worse because 150 years ago someone had some slaves so....it is all my fault and deserve to be assaulted, beat down, white girl sure bleed a lot....right?
So...I'm dazed and confused and get the cops involved for my insurance and my boyfriend for protection. The cops told me I should have run over the bastard. Next time I will.
But.....later I get to work. Late because I can't afford NOT to work and start looking around at the black chicks who work in the same building with me....(411 operator for Ma Bell at the time) and realized.....they are NOT my friends, like I thought they were. That they would probably laugh about this story when they get home to their boyfriends or whatever. In fact....I realized that they probably don't even like me at all and will never like me. Just because I'm white. For no other reason than my race. I stopped even trying to socialize or talk to them or much of anyone else at work.
Then... you start looking at the black people on the bus, in the store, at the bar and realize. You wake up from your everything is beautiful, kumbaya dream that the liberals have fed you all your life. You realize that you are walking in danger every day....JUST because you are a certain race. In my case white.
That IS racism. So don't think you are the only one receiving the ugly end of that stick.
SO ...you can take all your special feelings of being a unique victim of racism and stuff it. You aren't special. Racism is ugly and it is more than just a one way street.
Well said DBQ.
That is realism right there.
I don't think I am making myself look stupid Crack but that is for other people to judge.
Look at the Man in the Mirror bro. Just sayn'
I am not sick about black people talking about race Crack. I am sick of the whining bullshit about slavery and the oppression of the Man. Get over yourselves and stop with the victim bullshit. Nobody is listening anymore. You got edged out the gays and Feminist women who are trying to get theirs.
And I am not reaching out because there is no reaching some people. We just have to mobilize our base. That will be enough to win. A Rhino won't do that. Be it Romney or Christie or some other Quisling who wants to lie down in front of the bus that Obama is driving. We need to wrestle the steering wheel out of his hand before we hit the wall and there is no coming back.
They probably don't even like me at all and will never like me. Just because I'm white. For no other reason than my race.
It must be hard to compartmentalize 400 years of history that way. I don't know a single black who does that. Who just takes history out of the equation and says "White folks are sick of hearing us just because we're black."
No - we were slaves and now we're not. That's why we're not liked, understood, have a hyphen in our national title, and have to hear how sick white folks are over everything.
Do you guys know what country you're all fired up to protect, or is it merely a figment of your imagination?
I betcha it's the latter.
I betcha,...
Inga said...
Crack, the only reason this blog exists at this point is to be a forum for bullies.
Another push brooming generalization.
400 years of your obstinance and we're supposed to be thinking about you.
Crack: As for reparations, you need to (A) factor out American who never held slaves or (B) got here after slavery ended (C) already made reparations. And is the majority of white people. It's just ugly and demonstrably racist to insist on payback just because someone happens to be white.
But you know who could help you prepare that list of culpable ancestors?
The Mormons
But good luck with it.
El Pollo Raylan,
Crack: As for reparations, you need to (A) factor out American who never held slaves or (B) got here after slavery ended (C) already made reparations. And is the majority of white people. It's just ugly and demonstrably racist to insist on payback just because someone happens to be white.
And as usual, in your mind, you set the rules. What if nobody cares about your rules? What if they make up their own rules? Decide the country is guilty - not just individuals?
Then there's no need for the Mormons because they're just as guilty - and, with their history, they are.
Considering the way you guys have chosen to fight, I'd say you're the one in need of luck.
You've already lost.
Now it's just a matter of how much damage you'll do on your way out the door,...
The Mormons lost.
Lets get over it and move on.
Some folk can "be down w/ the struggle" because they been foreclosed on and had their house sold by the Sheriff. "It's just the man keepin' me down!"
Saw The Book of Mormons on stage in Chicago. We were going to get tickets for the next day. The matinee was just starting. A Chicago cop came up and said someone just gave him 2 tix for the show about to start. Saved $200. It was funny but I'm glad I didn't pay $200. One fucked up religion fo' sure.
Decide the country is guilty - not just individuals?
Without a trial and due process
No evidence
No testimony
Just guilt all the time.
/crack
And as usual, in your mind, you set the rules. What if nobody cares about your rules? What if they make up their own rules? Decide the country is guilty - not just individuals?
Then you and Trooper will be right. We will go through a painful phase along the Henry Hudson Highway.
One of the top leaders in the Mormon Church acknowledged in an address to the church’s global membership on Saturday that past leaders had “made mistakes” that had caused some Mormons to have doubts, an admission that amounts to a significant change in tone in the leadership’s approach to Mormons who question, dissent or defect from the church.
“We respect those who honestly search for truth,” President Dieter F. Uchtdorf, second counselor in the church’s top governing body, the first presidency, said in the speech.
The church has in the past excommunicated prominent scholars and even low-profile members who publicly voiced doubts about its history or theology, and many Mormons who have lost their faith have been shunned by their friends and family. But recently, with some Mormons taking to the Internet to share their doubts, leaders of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which now claims 15 million members, have been confronted with a bigger problem they could no longer ignore.
“We openly acknowledge that in nearly 200 years of church history — along with an uninterrupted line of inspired, honorable and divine events — there have been some things said and done that could cause people to question,...”
You guys have been on the wrong side of everything.
Thought I stop in and check on everyone. How're we doing? Got all our hateyness out of our system, did we?
Or maybe not, because it just won't leave.
Crack: eppure si muove
You guys have been on the wrong side of everything.
Doubling down on push broom generalizing?
El Pollo Raylan,
Then you and Trooper will be right. We will go through a painful phase along the Henry Hudson Highway.
No we won't. You are going to lose. You've lost already. Ted Cruz is just measuring the box for the corpse.
You have nothing to fight for - nothing to win. You gave up your principles (such as they are) during the last election. You're basically Bush-era liberals now, using the Alinsky handbook to kill yourselves. Go on - get as nasty as you can. Make monkey noises. Be your bad-assed selves:
Like a balloon deflating, your every utterance is just an escape of power, through gas.
You're done politically.
See you in 2014, crack!
/out
Hey did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
We are not going to give up because you tell us to Crack. Not if Obama tells us. Or the mainstream media.
No retreat. No surrender.
Trooper, Trooper, Trooper,...
I'm thinking about converting to The Mormon faith. Anyone have any thoughts about that which they'd feel comfortable sharing?
You get some cool underwear.
I mean it ain't a leopard skin tong
like the Crackster sports but it is pretty cool.
Thong that is.
Tongs are for guys stuck in an SUV.
I learned for the first time about Mormon knickers in The Book of Mormons.
I too have incidents about racism that are wrong on so many levels. Shit. One level. One stupid level.
And they are outweighed completely by a racial intermingling that is natural. Nearly everything nice that happens to me happens at the hands of a person of another race. I'd say, touching moments throughout the day. My name being called on the street is a surprise to me, outside, and graciousness extended. Just a moment ago, "I can open the door for you, Chip." I turned and it was a little black Muslim man in my building who thought I needed to get in, but I was waiting for someone outside. I think they hired him to do things for $ off his rent or something, very family orient-tated. I saw him cleaning carpets and took it for outside business and asked if he could use water, or something or a place to dump his tank and he laughed at that. But apparently thought it was nice, and this makes the second time he greeted me outside in in the public noise, surprising me like that with his cheerfulness appearing out of the blue. That stuff happens every single day. Jumping my truck, etcetera, all these episodes involve minorities. For all I know, I just might be minority.
Trooper York said...
You get some cool underwear.
Wow. You. Have. To. Be. Shitting. Me.
Seriously.
Of course I am shitting you.
But at least I am not shitting my temple underwear.
Troop...those semi-bvd's look like they're designed for maximum turd capture....nothing slipping down the leg, ya' know...so who'd know if you did or didn't?
I find it pretty foul and and at a very high level of pussy to take the suffering that other people have endured long before you were around and stick that victim tag on yourself just because you happen to have been born the same color skin as them. It's pure posing, fraud, theft, selfishness and disrespectful in the worst possible way.
It's a dishonor, much like if I were to claim some credit for white men who died freeing slaves or in any other war. I didn't do it. I share none of that honor, and I won't steal it just to win an argument, or to make me feel better about what I have failed to do on my own.
Crack - it's been twelve hours since you said somebody should kick my ass. Is there a time limit on the things you say? Because I have not experienced ass kickage yet.
Why all the hating on Mormons here? They're good people. You don't see Mormon motorcycle gangs beating up Land Rover drivers. Nor do you see Mormon thugs beating up elderly people, or dealing drugs on the corner.
Mostly they work hard, raise good families, contribute to the welfare of others, etc.
Crickey, you people (yes, I just did that) are still at it?
Mostly they work hard, raise good families, contribute to the welfare of others, etc.
Which is why I just can't get exercised about Mormons. Okay, I think their beliefs are a bit wacky. But so are the beliefs of pretty much everyone, if you take a step back and look at things with perspective. It's the human condition.
Mormons have largely found a way to live decent lives and raise children that largely do the same. Good job, Mormons*, even if you don't drink caffeine.
* Unless the stuff James Ellroy writes is true, but Ellroy is completely out of his fucking mind, even if he is one of my favorite authors.
Mormons are good people. I am not Mormon, I am Presbyterian. The only Mormon I ever met who seemed iffy was not really a Mormon. She was a so-called single mother who I think was trying to take advantage of the Mormon welfare system. Otherwise, they are good people.
So lets have a camera follow some young Mormons around for the evening, and then some young rappers, and we'll see who has the weird customs and dangerous ideas.
Now which set of customs and ideas is in your face and influencing your culture the most?
Personally, I'd rather hang with the rappers, but I'm a sick fuck with low moral standards looking for a good time. I want everyone else to be like the Mormons.
So lets have a camera follow some young Mormons around for the evening, and then some young rappers, and we'll see who has the weird customs and dangerous ideas.
I can guarantee you that the Mormons will walk faster, as they won't be tripping over their pants all night long.
And Bagoh, I can't see you hanging with the rappers. You're either going to be wearing pants that fit, or no pants at all. I can't see you having the patience to walk around holding your pants up with one hand.
Ken, My bride is a Presbyterian elder. A very easy going religion.
"Except math. We can ban that shit."
That, and Bob Dylan.
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