Monday, October 28, 2013

ObamaCare Double Whammy


"Sue Klinkhamer has a problem. It’s called Obamacare."

"And the irony of her situation is not lost on her. In a recent email addressed to her former boss, Illinois Congressman Bill Foster, and other Democratic colleagues, she wrote:
“I spent two years defending Obamacare. I had constituents scream at me, spit at me and call me names that I can’t put in print. The congressman was not re-elected in 2010 mainly because of the anti-Obamacare anger. When the congressman was not re-elected, I also (along with the rest of our staff) lost my job. I was upset that because of the health care issue, I didn’t have a job anymore but still defended Obamacare because it would make health care available to everyone at, what I assumed, would be an affordable price. I have now learned that I was wrong. Very wrong.”
For Klinkhamer, 60, President Obama’s oft-repeated words ring in her ears: “If you like your health plan, you will keep it.”

Chicago Sun Times via Iowahawkblog

38 comments:

Sydney said...

Well, that's what happens when you pass laws without reading them, without discussing them, without debating them. Next time, pay attention to what you are shilling.

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

The blind faithful were wrong. How about that.

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

It's still a good idea to keep your blind faith. Those cross burning racists on the R side are so horrible. Chris Matthews told me. I never question such wisdom.

Lem the artificially intelligent said...

Carl Gustav ‏@CaptYonah 4m
Oh, you don't like our new healthcare law? Please try some Kool-Aid, we have several delicious flavors.

Althouse says Romney should offer to fix it for Obama.

bagoh20 said...
This comment has been removed by the author.
bagoh20 said...

So you got what you fought for. Now shut up and be a good winner.

You should be apologizing to those who lost this fight. They were fighting to save you from this. You probably bad-mouthed them, called them stupid, and greedy, and racist. Now how about you get out there and try to make make half the effort in the right direction as you did the wrong one. We could use some help here saving all of us from your mistake.

Lem the artificially intelligent said...

NBC Reporting Obama Knew Three Years Ago 7-11 Million People Would Lose Health Care Insurance…

http://goo.gl/fb/k7Gks

JAL said...

It was the math, stupid.

JAL said...
This comment has been removed by the author.
Lem the artificially intelligent said...

Valerie Jarrett ‏@vj44 (26m ago)

FACT: Nothing in #Obamacare forces people out of their health plans. No change is required unless insurance companies change existing plans.

I responded...

Death star not fully operational

Lem the artificially intelligent said...

This White House still lying with abandon.

JAL said...

Dear Sue --

You got what you wanted.

Many other people got what they didn't want.

Unfortunately it turns out what you got and wanted wasn't what you were promised and wanted to get.

I am beginning to feel sorry for you guys, a little, but that will last only if I see some serious face palms. OMGs, and true repentance.

That means apologizing for calling the Tea Party and any and all who protested this horrific travesty which was crammed through Congress and down the American peoples' throats with your help and approval truly vile and ugly names. We were "spit" upon, called racists and bigots and fools and hardhearted evil doers.

And denounce the child-god-king. He is a lying liar.

Please.

JAL said...

No change is required unless insurance companies change existing plans.

Sick sick @^#%@*&$^@&$^& {delete the words I want to put in here}

They wrote the rules to eliminate almost everyone by not grandfathering in any policies which made any changes after 2010.

Everyone knows insurance companies tweak their policies every year.

This woman is a heartless, lying, beee....

edutcher said...

I love the smell of schaudenfreude in the evening.

ampersand said...
This comment has been removed by the author.
deborah said...

Too bad, so sad.

john said...

From excitable Andy:

The Pricetag On A Death Spiral

Yuval Levin warns that it could be extremely high for the federal government:

[I]n the Obamacare exchanges, the subsidy system is intended to prevent people from feeling the effect of annual premium increases after the first year. The subsidies are designed to make sure that each recipient pays only a certain percentage of his income in premium costs. That percentage stays essentially the same year after year, so if premiums get more expensive the government covers the difference.

In other words, if premiums for coverage purchased in the exchanges were to double or triple in 2015 because of severe adverse selection, people eligible for subsides would still pay the same amount they did in 2014 (assuming their incomes didn’t change) and the federal government would pay for the entirety of the increase. Subsidized beneficiaries would therefore not feel the effect and the healthy among them would not necessarily have much reason to flee the exchanges.

The Congressional Budget Office estimates that about 86 percent of the people who buy coverage in the exchanges in 2014 will receive subsidies. The technical problems limiting enrollment may mean that figure is even higher (since the incentive to enroll is much greater if you’re eligible for subsidies than if you’re not). Those individuals would not feel the effect of second-year premium spikes, which means the result of such spikes, if they were to happen, would likely not fall into the usual pattern of an adverse-selection spiral.

Instead, the sort of severe adverse selection the exchanges may experience would dramatically increase federal spending and would drive unsubsidized exchange participants (other than those in very poor health) and many insurers out of the exchanges.


Its not the tech glitches, it's the explosion of subsidized policies that can bankrupt Obamacare, and our treasury to boot.

(I still look in on Sully periodically. He occasionally posts insightful articles.)

chickelit said...

Her birth control will be covered under Obamacare so there's that. Perhaps she'll never help spawn another bad bill.

Sorry Deb, it's not sad. That's not the right emotion.

Roger J. said...

math is very difficult for liberals

deborah said...

@ John, re Andy, just imagine the thousands of people who will sue the government when they end up insurance-less next year.

:) Chick

chickelit said...

:) Chick

Well, at least we'll have poetry to agree on. :)

Icepick said...

John, and what was Randy Andy's explanation for why this is the best thing ever done by any politician ever? Or has he finally fallen out of love with Barry Half-White?

chickelit said...
This comment has been removed by the author.
chickelit said...

Forget about Sullivan's twisted loyalty to Obama. Doesn't the following just make you want to puke?

I think Barack knew that he had God-given talents that were extraordinary. He knows exactly how smart he is. . . . He knows how perceptive he is. He knows what a good reader of people he is. And he knows that he has the ability — the extraordinary, uncanny ability — to take a thousand different perspectives, digest them and make sense out of them, and I think that he has never really been challenged intellectually. . . . So what I sensed in him was not just a restless spirit but somebody with such extraordinary talents that had to be really taxed in order for him to be happy. . . . He’s been bored to death his whole life. He’s just too talented to do what ordinary people do.

Valerie Jarrett quoted at NRO: link

john said...

Icepick - I don't know if Sullivan actually thought that (he might have). If so, he might be walking back somewhat from that earlier support. As others are apparently doing. His posting of Yuval Levin's article, without comment, suggests as much.

EPR - I did throw up in my mouth a little bit.

deborah said...

Chick that is disgusting. I recall Michelle saying stuff like that during the first campaign...Barack will challenge you...

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

john said...
(I still look in on Sully periodically. He occasionally posts insightful articles.)


No need to be so defensive. Heterodoxy is a good thing.

Lem the artificially intelligent said...

Lisa Myers ‏@LisaMyers 4h
@jearnest44 @pfeiffer44 #ACA but that # and grandfather language shows adm KNEW millions could NOT qualify to keep existing policies

Sooner or later the truth will out.

chickelit said...

deborah said...
Chick that is disgusting. I recall Michelle saying stuff like that during the first campaign...Barack will challenge you...

The only truth in what Jarrett said is his believe that happiness comes through taxing. :)

[somebody] that had to be really taxed in order for him to be happy.

john said...

ARM -

OK, allright already, I read him more than occasionally.

Sheesh.

Aridog said...

Valerie Jarrett ‏@vj44 (26m ago)

FACT: Nothing in #Obamacare forces people out of their health plans. No change is required unless insurance companies change existing plans.

1. Wrong, Obamacare establishes non-waiverable criteria for all health insurance, not just that in their exchanges.

2. Many insurance companies react by canceling policies due to requirements such as the forced removal of agreed upon caps provider to purchaser, among other things.

3. Insurance companies are not innocent, however, becasue from what I;ve read they've not first tried to retain their customers with a policy at increased cost...precisely as auto insurance outfits in non-fault states did/do with the medical liability portion of their policies...it just raised that price in one fat step of around $325 per year for drivers (like me) with zero tickets or accidents in over 20 years.

4. I suspect Obamacare criteria made the actuarial math either just too hard or just too much trouble for the insurance companies, so they just cancel and then subsequently collect it via the exchanges.

5. No one is innocent.

Icepick said...

If so, he might be walking back somewhat from that earlier support.

Then to Hell with him. THIS is what he wanted, THIS is what he supported, for THIS he called everyone that thought diferently racists, so he can just choke on it.

Oh, and he said that Obama was the true conservative, too, and ObamaCare the epitome of conservatism. So here's to sending Sully to some other conservative wonderland like North Korea.

Icepick said...

Doesn't the following just make you want to puke?

Not really, because Jarrett is just another leftist looking for someone to worship in place of God. (I haven't met an atheist progressive yet who didn't worship some bi.e creature like Mao, or Che or Obama.) So that's just more of the same.

But someone purporting to be a conservative who wants nothing but more and more socialism, more and more governmental control of everything, who wants the destruction of all the old standards in everything, well, that is disgusting.

Icepick said...

Sooner or later the truth will out.

Will it make any difference?

Icepick said...

People like Sullivan need to have their noses rubbed in this roll out, and should never be listened to again. They're beyond useless, they're actively trying to destroy the country.

chickelit said...

Icepick said...
People like Sullivan need to have their noses rubbed in this roll out, and should never be listened to again.

I agree, but I don't think it will work because he likes the smell.

chickelit said...

Not really, because Jarrett is just another leftist looking for someone to worship in place of God.

Jarrett, as I understand it, has a profound effect on musing POTUS if not on influencing his decision making.

Icepick said...

I agree, but I don't think it will work because he likes the smell.

Not from the way he's acting like he had nothing to do with it now.