Thursday, May 28, 2020
Once you lose me you lose me forever
There are very few people who were as supportive as I was of the police with all they had to deal with. Especially with Black Lives Matters and the assassination attempts and Ferguson and all the rest. But the police have lost me and I can not support them or their bullshit anymore.
This last case of the straight up murder of George Floyd is one step beyond for me. I have always know the cops were corrupt and lazy. I remember when they used to collect for the Pad and came into Toomey's Tavern to get their dough while I was getting a growler for my old man. I remember how they used to coop under the F Train stop on Smith Street back in the day. They are uniformly lazy and useless. When you need a cop in seconds they are ten minutes away.
I had always listened to fellow conservatives tell me that we didn't have to worry about the government taking away our guns or our rights because the police would not enforce unconstitutional orders. Now I see them beating down the doors of a church in Chicago and arresting people in Brooklyn for opening up their business. Taking orders from the likes of DeBlasio.
The murder of this poor mook is not an anomaly. The cops who did it had a bunch of excessive force beefs. They should never have a gun and the ability to murder us. The cops have too much power. They are good germans who will follow orders. They will take away your rights in service of governmental power.
We need to have full concealed carry available to all citizens. We need to protect ourselves. The police have forfeited our consideration by their behavior during this phony coronavirus crisis.
Conservatives need to step up and call these people to account. They are no longer worthy of our support.
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The Battle of Athens (TN), when Tennesseans took matters into their own hands.
That video is simply awful. The blase look on the cops' faces while that guy died says a lot.
I've seen two videos. The first one had Floyd in handcuffs, a cop sits him down, stands him up and leads him off camera, presumably to the patrol car. The second has Floyd under the back of the car with the cop's knee on his neck. What happened between those two vids? The family was calling him a "Gentle Giant". Where have we heard that before?
Those four cops are a pretty diverse team and as you know "Diversity is Our Strength". The MPD also had a diversified cop shoot a woman in her pajamas. How he got in her pajama's was never explained but at least they got rid of him.
ND are you in California or Minnesota currently?
amper, Great analysis. I said the same thing to my bride. It was all under control w/ the one Jeter[mulatto] cop walking the cuffed Floyd toward the squad, then the prone video "I can't breathe. The thing is amper, he could not have done much since he was cuffed. Maybe he got verbal and bull rushed the cops? Whatever he did, this was excessive. You use that knee on the neck to try and get a perp under control and cuffed. Not for an extended time when he's cuffed. I don't think this is a Michael Brown redo. Brown was a thug and that cop was fighting for his gun and life. Obviously the cop w/ his knee on the neck was not under duress. Here's an interesting fact that just came out. That white cop and George both worked security @ the same nightclub. The off duty cop worked the door and perimeter outside, Floyd worked the bar and dance floor. They may well have a history.
I am in MN and it's a cluster fuck here. I ran into protests at the death scene, driving to a butcher shop not far away. That was yesterday. Just blocking the intersection, but calm. All these riots and looting are in Dem totally controlled cities. Trump was right to jump on this. The US attorney had a presser this afternoon. She was impressive. The local DA is a bullshitting, glad handing alcoholic who was in and out of rehab during the Somali cop PJ trial. That Somali was a minority hire that had no business being a cop.
What Troop says has a lot of validity and IMHO this all goes back to Willie's promise to put 100,000 more cops on the streets.
You can't draft 'em and, since it's a Democrat venture, all the slots have to be checked. Now you've got women, blacks, Hispanics, queers who are on the force because they are a check mark on a list. We've all seen tons of stories of cops that went for the gun because they physically weren't up to it.
And then they couldn't even shoot straight. And some bystander got shot.
Another point is, because a lot of these slots are political, you've got police forces and sheriff's departments that have become some politician's private army, as we've seen in the last 2 months with cops fining people for going to church (remember Meal Team 6?).
ampersand said...
I've seen two videos. The first one had Floyd in handcuffs, a cop sits him down, stands him up and leads him off camera, presumably to the patrol car. The second has Floyd under the back of the car with the cop's knee on his neck. What happened between those two vids? The family was calling him a "Gentle Giant". Where have we heard that before?
You just nailed it. There's a lot here and nobody with a brain really knows.
ndspinelli said...
That white cop and George both worked security @ the same nightclub. The off duty cop worked the door and perimeter outside, Floyd worked the bar and dance floor. They may well have a history.
Again, that's the kind of point that can make a difference and we need to wait and see.
What happens, though, if it turns out out they were buds?
PS Turns out Amy Klobuchar, in her days as a prosecutor, let the one guy go on a similar beef. She's supposed to be in line for Gropin' Joe's running mate.
Looks like finding a proxy President is going top be as hard for the Demos as finding a real one.
PPS I have no doubt the community organizers were hard at work whipping up this little orgy. They may think it gets everybody away from, "You ain't black", and stirs up that Get Whitey animus among blacks inclined to support Trump, but I keep going back to '68 and '72 and remembering how stuff like this made things worse for the Demos.
We'll see and YMMV
PPPS They're already finding massive fraud going on with mail-in ballots so much even the NAACP is complaining. I suppose they think it's their ace in the hole if everything goes wrong, and so far it has. I can, however, see this as depressing the Demo turnout (da fix is in) and goosing up Trump's, if it doesn't get the lid blown off before then.
The Demos are getting sloppy and desperate. Kind of like taking your eye off the ball and not driving straight for Moscow.
Should be interesting.
Really depends on the individual cop and the department. And it SHOULD NOT.
Some cops are clerks with guns, badges and diversity training or are just assholes. Some PDs are known repositories for cast-offs and don't have a good training program or attitude toward serving and protecting and paper it over with vague SOPs.
Qualified immunity is a joke. It puts no one on notice of what is and is not allowed and leaves it all to the lawyers and judges to sort out after the fact - not a great idea and certainly does not serve the purpose of defending the police from frivolous lawsuits and protecting people from horrible policing and excessive force.
That being said, pillaging Target and setting shit on fire is hardly a legitimate protest. It's like they want to lose credibility and divide fair-minded people ...
ME says no asphyxia or strangulation.
Looks like this could be another Gentle Giant or Baltimore.
Troop's original case is not without merit, but you always need to take your time before you shoot, as many a good gunslinger, Wyatt Earp among them, knew.
That said, the Rent-A-Mobs came out on cue. Trump ought to RICO the Hell out of Dr Evil.
Hey guys. Been a bit. So this is my take on it. It's not about what happened in-between, it's what happened after and during. You see officer Chauvin with his knee on this guy's neck. Not proper procedure on an already subdue and handcuffed suspect. I don't care if this guy was a serial killer. if you have him on the ground, handcuffed with 4 other officers on him. He's either in your control or you fucking suck at your job. If you can't the stress of beat cop life, get the fuck out. What's worse is not one of those cops, including officer Lo Mein watching everything said a word to Chauvin to knock it off and get the guy up. This is clear negligent homicide and those guys are accessories.
The entire notion now of bad apples spoiling the whole bunch is frankly true at this point when it comes to LEO's. Why? Well, when the system shits on good cops who don't want to work with bad cops, then you have a shit system. Cops on any force for any period of time know who the assholes in their departments are, from the captain on down to beat cops. Yet, the system and frankly the cop unions circle jerk the wagons around these dipshits and a good cop or a cop pointing out these shitheads get shit on themselves.
I've told you guys in the past that I'm neither pro-cop or anti-cop. I'm neutral to these guys and I avoid them like the plague. Why? Because I know the shenanigans these donut eaters are capable of and can pin on you. I live in San Diego County (miss you Spinelli) and a small town called La Mesa had protesters and rioters in this usually sleepy little town burn down shops/banks/and other businesses because a black man was waiting for people at a trolley stop and got harassed by one of these dickheads and was charged with assault on an officer which you can clearly see in a YT video of it where he didn't. Then when the protesters got wind of this they showed up, shit went south and the La Mesa PD did a boot and scoot and retreated back to their precinct and made their defense there, but they let the rest of the city go to these animals.
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Now I'm sympathetic to what these regular protesters are doing. The rioters should be shot on sight along with the looters. But this is a problem that is coming home to roost. We've militarized our LEO's as an end-run around the Posse Comitatus Act and there are videos out now of roving bands of cops doom trooping through suburban neighborhoods pepper balling/spraying people on their porches watching them do this. It's fucked up. Cops do not know how to de-escalate and there are already cops getting killed along with civilians. Now you see them using less than lethal ammo in the form of pepper balls and rubber bullets. They are getting itchy and are over-reacting. Innocents are getting caught in the crossfire and Antifa is now a circumventing player in this mess because they saw it as an opportunity to flex where they could.
As a conservative and a big proponent of the 2A, I will tell you that I will defend myself against anyone cop or civilian who threatens my life if I'm able. I realize against cops it's futility I will most likely lose, but at least I'll go down on my feet instead of on my knees. I don't want to do it, but I won't be a sucker for these fuckers to take advantage of. I won't look for it, but I won't take it lying down either. Having said that Amartel hit it on the nose. Qualified immunity laws are a joke. Remove those laws and watch law enforcement change and most likely overnight. It won't be easy, but if a cop has to think twice about engaging a person or persons in a way these guys did with Floyd, then new tactics and training will equalize the playing field. But these laws give these guys more or less carte blanche to pull of their crap.
Chauvin had 18 complaints against him over his career. Chucklefuck mongoloids like Klobechar did nothing. His department did nothing. His union shielded him, now look at what he did. He killed a man. And he probably did a whole lot more that was never reported. He should never have been a cop at this point. Law enforcement needs to take a serious fucking look at itself or it's going to become a bloodbath and they are going to lose if an armed citizenry decides their bullshit needs to come to an end. Trump better walk a fine line on this. I know he's law and order, but citizens are supreme, not sheep and these cops need to get that drilled through their thick fucking skulls and start respecting people wholesale.
Amen to all of that and take away their qualified immunity as well as the absolute immunity enjoyed by judges.
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