“A time is coming when men will go mad, and when they see someone who is not mad, they will attack him, saying, ‘You are mad; you are not like us.'” ― St. Anthony the Great
I commented at Althouse. A straight up thank you to the good people of Wisconsin. They deserve it.
I think its time for the states to divide up their electoral votes. I leave up to each state how they want to do that, by district or by % of popular vote. It is absurd that we have elections that are determined by 5 or 8 large states.
Point being on your map that looking at Wyoming's vast empty of population land mass and suggesting that it means that more of the country is for Trump is just as wrong as looking at Los Angeles and its population advantage as being proof that Hillary should be president. I like the electoral college- it just needs to be tweeked.
Rabel, The liberal Cheeseheads in Madison where I live are walking around like zombies. We move to MN this weekend where Trump came damn close to winning as well.
"It is absurd that we have elections that are determined by 5 or 8 large states."It would be if it were true.
My Facebook feed today is hilarious. I don't do political posts on Facebook - just family stuff - but the relatives in their 20s have gone unhinged. They believe that Trump will dissolve gay marriages, kick all non-whites out of America, destroy jobs, etc.Of course they are public high school and university graduates, so their ability to think rationally and critically has not been developed.
"The liberal Cheeseheads in Madison where I live are walking around like zombies."I can't imagine the agony they suffer today.Well, actually, I can. The day my dog died comes to mind.
In places like Madison, Cambridge, Berkeley, there is crying and gnashing of teeth, ripping of garments. Pass the popcorn.
Wisconsin deserves our thanks. On the other hand -Hey, Colorado, what's your fucking problem?
Trump is very socially liberal. Very far from my beliefs. But I think he will let me worship in my own way and not force nuns to pay for abortions.He does have to get on enforcement of illegal immigration. Now. Not later.
A straight up thank you to the good people of WisconsinThank you Rabel. I did my part. Although I have to admit I didn't think Trump had much of a chance. Especially here in the dairy state. I have to tip my hat to the good folks here at Lem's. They believed even when things looked hopeless. They motivated me to cast my vote for Trump even though he wasn't my first (or second, or third) choice. I can't begin to describe how happy I am with the outcome. Let's hope Trump brings some real change to this great country.
Hey, Colorado, what's your fucking problem?Weed and transplants from California.
Democrats have locked up all the great oceanfront property! A people kept from its own coasts cannot learn to swim!
Rending of garments, Evi, rending of garments.
Weed and transplants from California.Yep. One conservative Michigan transplant can't swing this thing here.Yay, Wisconsin!
Colorado is pathetic. Boulder went 71% for Clinton. I need to do what Meth is doing and get off my butt and go do some schadenfreude gushing. I voted for Trump. Not that it mattered. Colorado is California's mini-me, I'm telling you. Darci - you are new here - you know. How's that Denver traffic treating you?
"Trump is very socially liberal. Very far from my beliefs."And I'd bet Trump is probably closer to my values than anyone in here, but I was not trying to get someone similar to me in there. I was most concerned with keeping someone completely unacceptable out of there. We were on the edge of the abyss yesterday, and we turned around, but it's still not far away.The right has control of almost everything now, and it's up to our side to do great things with this opportunity. Both parties always blow it in this situation, by adding to the labyrinth. I hope we can be different this time. We badly need someone to cut down some weeds, sever some chains, and carry out the garbage.
If you look at the map by counties in MY area of California, the north east, you see a 100% block of red. Is it any wonder that we want to secede from the rest of California and join the southern part of Oregon. STATE OF JEFFERSON. It won't happen. We will be forever the slaves and under the control of the blue counties. But....we can dream.and....for a smileWe should all do this Victory Dance:-)
It's entirely red where I live too, all 2000 sq.ft.
See how much of blue New York is actually red? We too are part of the lovefest.That "we too" phrase reminds me of the famous (or infamous depending on how you want to look at it) Family of Man exhibit at MOMA (Museum of Modern Art) in the late '50's that featured a wall of portraits of couples, from a comfortable German burger and his frau to a Chinese peasant couple in the fields to a Bushman hunter and wife, and under each photograph, "We Too Form A Multitude." Clever play on too/two is not enough to explain how affecting that wall was to tiny me.
I texted my siblings to pray for the new president as they would have prayed for the Clintons.He has a monumental challenge ahead he probably hasn't entirely thought thru yet.The people he picks as advisors will be crucial.The fact that he has failed so many times in business could probably (God willing) mean that he has painfully learned to listen.Something to pray for.
Point being on your map that looking at Wyoming's vast empty of population land mass and suggesting that it means that more of the country is for Trump is just as wrong as looking at Los Angeles and its population advantage as being proof that Hillary should be president.True. The density of population needs to be taken into account.However, again in Californicateyou, we have 55 electoral votes. If you divided them up proportionally by population, the urban areas would of course have the larger share of those. BUT at least the smaller populated areas would get a few or even a fractional vote. As it is now, we have zero voice. Our votes in a national election are erased by the unfair apportioning of 100% of the electoral college votes.Currently if 51% of the population votes Dem and the rest 49% voted Republican....those 49% of the voters are just cast aside and disenfranchised.
Something to tell a distraught Clintonite.We need to pray more for Trump than we would have Hillary.
"In places like Madison, Cambridge, Berkeley, there is crying and gnashing of teeth, ripping of garments."San Francisco is distraught. I don't even want to look on FB and see all the oblivious twitticisms. They'll never blame themselves. They'll never acknowledge that utterly unearned arrogance and pretension is bad politics. They'll turn on Clinton, though. They haven't gotten to that stage quite yet but someone must take the fall.
Hi April! I love it here. I commute by light rail from Littleton to work in downtown Denver. Really still enjoying the breathtaking vistas. Downtown Denver is just such a vibrant place to be. I feel really fortunate.
"The right has control of almost everything now...."Not if the RINOs can help it. Think they're done? Ha.
An always impressive - and illuminating - view.He really took ME, too, didn't he?And MN. Fascinating.Jim in St Louis said...Point being on your map that looking at Wyoming's vast empty of population land mass and suggesting that it means that more of the country is for Trump is just as wrong as looking at Los Angeles and its population advantage as being proof that Hillary should be president. I like the electoral college- it just needs to be tweeked.ME and NE do it that way; any state legislature can adopt the same method.Rabel said...I commented at Althouse. A straight up thank you to the good people of Wisconsin. They deserve it.Don't forget the good people of Pennsylvania and Michigan.Trooper York said...Trump is very socially liberal. Very far from my beliefs. But I think he will let me worship in my own way and not force nuns to pay for abortions.I think he's more tolerant than Liberal, but I also think he gotten wiser with age.Dust Bunny Queen said...Our votes in a national election are erased by the unfair apportioning of 100% of the electoral college votes.Currently if 51% of the population votes Dem and the rest 49% voted Republican....those 49% of the voters are just cast aside and disenfranchised.oopsy, PA, MI, and WI came around, as did much of MN (which impresses me). When the illegals are gone, people of good sense may be able to turn CA around.
This was not a victory for the right. This was a personal victory for Trump and his cultist right? I mean the right wing went all in to oppose him. To the point that they voted for Hillary.This is a victory for an America First Populist majority. Not for Paul Ryan, Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Ben Sasse, George Will and the Neocons. They lost more than Hillary did. Trump will put forth common sense proposals that will garner support from both the Republicans and the Democrats. But he shouldn't put up with any bullshit.
"I texted my siblings to pray for the new president as they would have prayed for the Clintons.""Like everybody else, on V-E day he wept and prayed.On V-J day he wept and prayed again."--from the script of It's A Wonderful Life
If people can't see that Trump's a decent man ny this stage of the game it's because they refuse to see. Tough on them.
By not ny. Lem, you gotta get me an edit feature! That's an order!!
Trooper York said...This was not a victory for the right. This was a personal victory for Trump and his cultist right? I mean the right wing went all in to oppose him. To the point that they voted for Hillary.Depends on how you define the Right. I think Troop means the Vichy Right, as opposed to the Maquis Right.But where the Hell is our post about having a real woman as First Lady?Damn, Troop, that tooth must be bothering you!PS A headline off Drudge we thought we'd never seeTHE END OF CLINTONS..And a couple of graphics that sum things us nicelyFirst, The Donald as Perseus, albeit in the uniform of a Roman Imperator with Pence as his stalwart Legatus.Second, as Conan, complete with accent.
The democrats will veer even harder left. There's just too much toilet paper available in this country.
Can a midwesterner tell me why northeast Minnesota is solid blue?
"...too much toilet paper..."Forward.....to Venezuela.Do I laugh or cry?
Ed the right I am talking about is Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Ben Sasse, Paul Ryan and George Will. They all showed what they were about. I know it is not "cool" to talk about it after you win but sometimes guys on your club are a cancer even if you won the Series. They will drag you down. He needs to know that he can't trust them. Ever. Marginalize them. Primary them. Put nationalist candidates in their place. Period.
Paul Ryan strikes me as such a careerist that he just might figure the best way forward from his personal advancement standpoint is to be the best most cooperative Speaker he can be in terms of pushing through Trump's agenda. Then again I could be 100% wrong. Although I never am!!!
Dead Harambe got 15,000 votes. Make him head of the IRS.
You can't keep a snake as a pet.
Hi Darcy - that's awesome. I'm really happy for you. As you know - it's been unseasonably warm and sunny. It's usually much cooler in November. Denver is a revitalized city with so much to offer these days. but shhhh - don't tell anyone. ;)
ricpic said...Can a midwesterner tell me why northeast Minnesota is solid blue?The only city is Duluth.Trooper York said...Ed the right I am talking about is Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Ben Sasse, Paul Ryan and George Will.The Vichy Right, so we're in accord.
The internet is full of the stupid today.As I understand it, America is a racist country because not enough white voters voted for an elderly white woman so screw you peoples of color. Or something.
A lot of those white voters were black or Hispanic.
Yes, yes, truly hate and misogyny have trumped love and tolerance. If "love" is defined at screeching vulgar defamatory accusations of racism/sexism/homophobia and (old stand by) fascism at people you've never met who have concerns you've never bothered to give a shit about. Loving tolerance from the peaceful residents of Blue State America.Assholes.It doesn't have to make sense. It just has to salve the ego of the pseudo-elite.
This election was the natural result of the identity politics forced on us by Obama, the Democrats and the media. They talked about the blacks, the Hispanics and the Muslims as blocs that needed to be catered to and cosseted and protected. So much so that any criticism was deemed racist and beyond the pale. Then they gleefully touted how white Americans would soon be a minority in this country. So guess what? White people started voting as a bloc. They will continue to do so in future elections. You wanted polarizing identity politics libs. You got you polarizing identity politics right here.
A lot of those white voters were Democrats.
30% of hispanics voted Trump.
That is true. But they are were wearing a uniform. A uniform that gets you attacked and part of the knockout game and called a holder of white privilege and a loser at the affirmative action game. Trump appealed to them on a class basis not a ideological basis. The elites despise white people. Both the liberal and conservative intelligentsia wants us to die. To make way for a glorious future with immigrants to take the place of Native Americans. They wrote whole articles about how white communities need to die. You reap what you sow.Trump can build a voting coalition that can be very effective. The unprotected vs. the protected. Class not ideology. It is here.
The alt-right were intimately involved in this election. Steve Bannon is one of their architects and biggest fans. His influence will be enormous in the new administration.I think Trump is going to change the national symbol from the Bald Eagle to Pepe the Frog. It just seems right.
A guy I have known for over 50 years posted something today - I am paraphrasing, but it went something like "Trump, we got you elected, but if you screw up and don't do what you promised, in four years we will come out of the woods again and throw your sorry ass out of office."I like that sentiment. That is the proper relationship between the people and those we elect.And for some reason I feel like listening to that most American of musical forms, Dixieland. This piece starts with a prayer, a plea, even, for Divine intervention, then it turns around and heads home with a powerful march into the future. I have posted it before, but it is one of my all time favorites:Just a Closer Walk.
Identity politics is a cheap and easy means to control an arbitrary demographic by defining them as "good" or "bad" based on skin or sex. Kill it with fire then nuke it. Enough.
That map tells the real tale. If the electoral college was proportionally awarded based on counties not states, no democrat would ever win again.
That's what I was thinkin', Meth - one elector per county - Cook county is the same as Inyo county, King county gets the same rep as Albany county Wyoming. If half the population is in 146 counties, nation wide, then give power back to the people of the earth. Children of the Corn!
This was a change election. No more identity politics.
Methadras said...That map tells the real tale. If the electoral college was proportionally awarded based on counties not states, no democrat would ever win again.Sixty Grit said...That's what I was thinkin', Meth - one elector per county - Cook county is the same as Inyo county, King county gets the same rep as Albany county Wyoming. If half the population is in 146 counties, nation wide, then give power back to the people of the earth. Children of the Corn!Actually, that's what it is. An electoral vote for each Congressional district and one for each Senator.The ME/NE model doles them out to whomever wins each given Congressional district and the 2 Senate votes to the overall winner of the state. Trump got an electoral vote out of ME.
Something to conjure with.Not only did The Donald get 30% of the Hispanic vote, he got 8% of the black vote. It's been a maxim of American politics that any R that gets more than 5% of the black vote wins.He did better with whites, blacks, and Hispanics than Romney.Tell me again he's not a uniter.
The one group that literally saved Trump was white evangelicals. If he didn't get those like Romney didn't get them, HRC would have destroyed him. You can thank white evangelicals for putting Trump over the top.Edutcher, not all states dole out proportional electoral votes like NH does. That's why a state like California would benefit from it and break the duopoly that LA and the Bay Area have over CA. San Diego County flipped blue, so they came into play, but the majority of the state is red.
When an infant is in its cradle, you can see all the possibilities of humanity in his form. Somewhere in adolesence or early manhood, all the promise is voided and you can see how he has reverted to the mean....Trump is in his crib. He now lives in the world of counter factuals. Because nothing has been done, everything is possible......I think he has a good shot at lowering and simplifying taxes, enforcing immigration laws, maybe easing up on some regulatory practices, repealing Obamacare and doing a few other things. This will be a tremendous improvement over Obama and Hillary, but it will not usher in the era of peace and plenty......The Middle East will continue to be inhabited by homocidal maniacs, and nothing good will come from that place. Entitlements and deficits will continue to grow. Rich people will continue to be smug, and poor people will continue to be resentful. I guarantee that you will not spend the next four years dancing in the streets and singing his hosannas. Is been almost twenty four hours since he won the election. Time to get real.
How is this for red? I live in Polk County WI, and the final totals are such --Trump: 61.1% or 13,864 votesHillary: 33.4% or 7,568 votes
Allen, Slightly different results here in Dane County.Trump 23%Clinton 71%
Here is an example of why this is so. You will not see it on the mainstream media. But it will make it out there on the internet.
Amartel said...This was a change election. No more identity politicsNot quite true. With this election it is now possible to proclaim your white identity. The white vote is a bloc and will vote that way going forward. Sure you have your Bernie Bros and your Julia's and your pajama boys but the white working class determined this election and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.(These two comments were reversed and should be read in the opposite order)
"determined this election and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future."Whatever comes before that phrase right after an election is wrong virtually every time.
I listened in on a conversation with one of the Congressmen in outstate Wisconsin this morning. Interesting, and instructive for other areas in other states as well.In that district, which is mostly rural with a few middle to small cities, Romney/Ryan beat Obama/Biden in 2012 by 1.5%. But in 2016, Trump?pence beat Clinton/Kaine by more than 30%. Not a typo.The Congressman's analysis was that for voters in non-urban areas, economic and security issues have replaced the Democrats' tradition of pitting groups against each other based on social and political issues. Further, the Democrats continued push for the farthest left social agenda will continue to drive moderate Democrats slightly right into the moderate Republican category. This is a big game changer.
It is a class not an ideology election. The working class are the unprotected. Their children do not get scholarships from affirmative action. Their jobs go to illegal immigrants or visa immigrants that they have to train or lose their severance packages.Donald Trump was elected to address these issues. He needs to do so forthwith.
At least let him be sworn in first.
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