Monday, August 15, 2016

"Hillary drafts illegal 'Dreamers' to get immigrants to vote"

The Washington Examiner:  Hillary Clinton's campaign on Sunday announced a program to recruit undocumented "Dreamers" into a voter registration army even though they are not allowed to vote.
Celebrating the four-year anniversary of President Obama's Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, Clinton launched "Mi Sueno, Tu Voto" (My Dream, Your Vote), to rally and "secure commitments" from immigrants who can vote.

The DACA program created so-called "Dreamers," the children of illegal immigrants who the president has offered renewable two-year work visas and deportation deferral. The goal for many in the program is amnesty.

Meanwhile at the Daily Beast: Why Donald Trump Is Haunting Your Dreams
“What I’ve learned, in every election, is that the frequency of appearance in people’s dreams is an index of people’s charisma—interpersonal dynamism. That’s the hypothesis,” says Bulkeley.
In 2008, people “dreamed like crazy about Barack Obama,” he says. “Particularly with the first campaign, there was a messianic quality. The dreams were in these magical settings and people were having these really wonderful, profound, intimate feelings. These dreams reflected dramatic, emotionally rich settings.”

38 comments:

chickelit said...

You have to applaud the coverage because if more people perceive a credible threat of voter fraud, more people will come out to vote as a single issue voters, Trump or no Trump.

ndspinelli said...

This will be helpful in Trump drafting poll watchers. Maybe we should do the dip your finger in blue ink like they did in Iraq after Saddam.

edutcher said...

Sounds like they're practically daring us. They'd just love a few stories about Trumpist thugs.

Problem is, the thugs are all on their side,

edutcher said...

And, if you were wondering what this means in the race, consider this.

The Beast is not campaigning on weekends.

So, is she that sick?

Evi L. Bloggerlady said...


ed, yes she needs the rest and she thinks she can afford to take it given Trump's self destruction.

But let me ask you and Troop this:

Roger Simon: Trump needs to go for the Black vote--NOW!

I am perplexed why Trump hasn't done this already. I get he is the law and order candidate, but you can nuance that issue without alienating black voters in the process. Getting black votes hurts Hillary badly, especially in these swing states that Trump needs to win.

Not worth it? Should the Donald keep doing as he is doing?

Trooper York said...

I think Trump is making a mistake not dong that. He can crtainly lie just as effectively to the black community to get their vote.

ricpic said...

Recently I had a dream in which a snake figured prominently. Does that count as dreaming about Obama?

Chip Ahoy said...

Turned on the t.v., FOX was on with Carl Rove's voice banging on about "What Trump needs to do now is start running a more conventional campaign..."

And I'm sitting here thinking, *click* sure, Carl, the magical election-winning genius, with more ways to loose a campaign than you can shake a stick at. Give us all your last century's campaign knowledge.

If I had a dime for every time I heard or read somebody state with certainty the thing that Trump needs to do, well, I'd have quite a lot of dimes then wouldn't I?

This year is different. And not just in the U.S. of A. All over the world politics are very different. Bernie Sanders and Trump demonstrate this quite clearly to jaded and new voters alike .And in all cases observers can respond advice givers, "That ironclad truth was then and this is now."

Trump really is running against all media. He states a simple obvious truth and that becomes the discussion across the board, across several forms of media, for at least the whole day. Trump must do this, Trump must do that, meanwhile Trump plays everyone like a banjo. No, like a one-man washboard band.

edutcher said...

Evi L. Bloggerlady said...

ed, yes she needs the rest and she thinks she can afford to take it given Trump's self destruction.

Why do you persist in believing people you say you distrust only when it fits your prejudices?

(I asked someone else that and I never got an answer)

If Hillary needs all the phony news coverage and polls, if she is that sick, I wonder what the real state of the race is.

I know, I know, I am a completely blinded true believer, right? Pulled this off Last of the Few. The guy complains about The Donald whining and describes himself as one of the on-the-fence conservatives and Republicans along with Independents who want more than anything to jump onto the Trump-train but are constantly and rudely reminded by the candidate that he is a loose cannon and potentially not at all ready for prime time. Why is anyone "on the fence" at this point? If you know the situation, why are you still bitching because Trump is the kind of guy you'd blackball at the country club?

No offense, but Trump isn't the one still living in the primaries.

I am perplexed why Trump hasn't done this already. I get he is the law and order candidate, but you can nuance that issue without alienating black voters in the process

He's offered the ideas, as Simon said, but here's the rub about "going into the black community" which, in a civilized time, would be a great idea. Who's going to be there - the BlackLives crowd, the New Black Panthers, whose leader has declared war in Milwaukee. Any serious supporters of his would be IDed and ostracized, harassed, perhaps even be physically attacked. Just the way the Moslem crazies keep the "moderates" in line.

Remember the Chicago rally?

I think the idea is great, but where do you hold it? Crown Heights, North Philly, Ferg, Baltimore?

Evi L. Bloggerlady said...

Chip, Karl Rove's (and Dick Morris's) poor track records aside, do you think Trump will win as he is going? Seriously?

So what is going to magically happen? A hidden 10% silent majority who will swing the election Brexit-like without anyone realizing it was going to happen?

I am not a political consultant, but I know the trick is to whittle away at your opponents voting blocks in critical states till you have more votes than they do. And part of that is traditional efforts like field offices, GOTV, etc. Trump is not doing that.

So it all turns to media messaging. Hillary's whole campaign is a referendum on Trump's suitability to be president (shrewdly staying away her suitability to be president). August is not going well for Trump. On the bright side, with the Olympics making the conventions happen in July and (as ed notes) most people enjoying their summers--Trump has a chance after Labor Day to close this gap and run the table.

I just want to see Hillary lose. I totally concur Trump is running against all media. But if the current dynamic doesn't change this September I am pretty sure we will see at least a Clinton in the White House in January.

edutcher said...

Evi L. Bloggerlady said...

A hidden 10% silent majority who will swing the election Brexit-like without anyone realizing it was going to happen?

What % of the electorate didn't vote last time? 42%.


And part of that is traditional efforts like field offices, GOTV, etc. Trump is not doing that.

He does it (through the RNC), but you want the way that (if you believe it was an honest count) flopped that time.

August is not going well for Trump.

Whose numbers are we using?

Evi L. Bloggerlady said...

ed: "Why do you persist in believing people you say you distrust only when it fits your prejudices?" Don't talk in ciphers, say what you mean. Who am I supposedly believing who I also say I distrust?


As far as black outreach, speak at a black university. Or how about a venue in a middle class black suburb in Atlanta? Or just speak out at one of his rallies and talk about issues facing black Americans, the police and how you balance law and order with the perception of blacks being targets of crime. If it were me advising Trump, I would recommend he address how the problem in the black community is lack of jobs and opportunity and how his policies (such as reducing job stealing policies like illegal immigration) will turn that around. Make the dialog about how Hillary wants "super predators" to heel.

Evi L. Bloggerlady said...

"Whose numbers are we using?"

I have not seen any polls favoring Trump right now. There are a few national polls that show it not out of reach (although still going in Hillary's favor), but the problem is the swing state polls are mostly a collapse of support for Trump. Those polls can't all be cooked. If you have data that supports I am wrong, by all means share it.

ed, I am not your enemy (or Trump's). Unlike other people, I really want Trump to beat Hillary. I do not see it happening the way things are going.

ricpic said...

Rodham has Parkinson's. She's literally a dying candidate. Unless her handlers and the MSM can totally suppress the evidence of her obvious illness the voters will pick up on it. Result? Trump wins. Plus, there's the old lady factor. Think America is ready for an old lady prez? Me neither.

edutcher said...

Evi L. Bloggerlady said...

As far as black outreach, speak at a black university. Or how about a venue in a middle class black suburb in Atlanta?

The university might be asking for it, but Hotlanta...

Or just speak out at one of his rallies and talk about issues facing black Americans, the police and how you balance law and order with the perception of blacks being targets of crime. If it were me advising Trump, I would recommend he address how the problem in the black community is lack of jobs and opportunity and how his policies (such as reducing job stealing policies like illegal immigration) will turn that around.

Law and Order Candidate? Jump start the economy? What, he needs NWA to rap with him?

See, he's made the point, but it's never enough to make guys like you happy.

I have not seen any polls favoring Trump right now. There are a few national polls that show it not out of reach (although still going in Hillary's favor), but the problem is the swing state polls are mostly a collapse of support for Trump. Those polls can't all be cooked.

A sudden, inexplicable collapse, but they can't all be cooked? And just the second the conventions are over, it all falls apart, when it's down to just him and Cacklepants.

E, I never said you were the enemy (though some have said I was). And keep one thing in mind, many of the "indie" polls are run by universities.

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you.

ricpic said...

Rodham has Parkinson's

The Parkinson's is iffy, but she's in big trouble, doubtless.

Sixty Grit said...

Tertiary syphilis is more likely than Parkinson's, on the off chance she ever had sexual contact with her "husband".

edutcher said...

Not to be a pain, but, if anybody trusts Bloomberg, separated by MOE.

Off Sharyl Atkisson.

edutcher said...

Sixty, they say Vince Foster was the love of her life.

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edutcher said...

For those who don't truth the people, but trust what they say, a little something to consider.

Yes, off Last Refuge, First, they are going to manipulate the “media polling” to put Gary Johnson on the stage for the debates. It takes 15% in a major political poll to qualify for a presidential debate. Who controls the polls considered “major” and “political”…. why, the media of course.

Putting Gary Johnson on the stage helps to undermine Donald Trump and presents the perfect optical framing for the “first woman presidential nominee“.

No, Jill Stein will not be put on the stage, because that DETRACTS from the optics and also represents a threat to the voting bloc that Clinton needs.
.

RTWT

edutcher said...

s/b trust, not truth

Trooper York said...

Sixty Grit said...
Tertiary syphilis is more likely than Parkinson's, on the off chance she ever had sexual contact with her "husband".

Well Hillary is the reincarnation of Al Capone.

I expect to see a Secret Service expose in a couple of years where she is fishing in an empty swimming pool.

Trooper York said...

Here's the thing Evi. Trump makes substantive speeches all the time. They are ignored by the news media. He is making a foreign policy speech which will be heavy with details. It will be ignored. Instead they will feature made up stories of campaign infighting and bogus claims that the RNC is pulling the plug.

As far as making a speech to a black audience that is as ed says problematic. I don't think he will ever get a fair hearing at a black venue. Any black venue. A college? The BLM and the SJW will disrupt his speech. The NAACP? They are in the tank for Hillary and the Poverty Pimps of the Democratic party.

He needs to talk directly to black voters over the heads of the news media and the black establishment. Just as he needs to talk over the heads of the news media and the pundits and the commentators who all stand to lose their rice bowl if he wins. The way he can talk to them is in the debates. He will never get the hard core dependents and BLM activists. But middle class aspirational blacks and some working class people will be listening to the debates. Where they can hear him in his own words. Over the shouting which is all they would hear if he went to a black college or social organization.

edutcher said...

BTW, one of Trump's points in his 3 point plan to get IS is you have to be able to use the words radical Islam.

IOW What the Khan man was saying at the convention could not be allowed to stand unchallenged because the Khan man contends terror is separate from Islam.

Evi L. Bloggerlady said...

He needs to talk directly to black voters over the heads of the news media and the black establishment. Just as he needs to talk over the heads of the news media and the pundits and the commentators who all stand to lose their rice bowl if he wins. The way he can talk to them is in the debates. He will never get the hard core dependents and BLM activists. But middle class aspirational blacks and some working class people will be listening to the debates. Where they can hear him in his own words. Over the shouting which is all they would hear if he went to a black college or social organization.

While one little blog will not make much impact, an Army of Davids might. Give me the material and I will post it. I bet Insty would too. So would Ace. Which is why BTW it is smart not to insult potential allies (ed, that is a message to you).

The more attention the better.

Evi L. Bloggerlady said...

edutcher said...
Sixty, they say Vince Foster was the love of her life.


That's a lie (so says Huma)

Gary Johnson in the debates does frame Hillary as a woman and Jill Stein detracts from that, but doesn't Johnson poll a bit more from Democrats than Republicans? So to that extent Johnson hurts her.

But we should be shouting to have Jill Stein included (certainly in the first one). She would pull some Bernie support from the Hilla-monster.

Evi L. Bloggerlady said...

Oh ed, btw:

Stop whining like a little bitch. Trump never does enough to please me, waaaaaa....

Sorry, but you are completely missing the point.

This is not about me. This is not about you. We aren't voting for Hillary! I will vote for Trump to see Hillary lose. This is not even about April Apple who is already in the bag for Hillary. This is about those people who Trump needs to win over so he defeats Hillary. They don't read Last Refuge or Weasel Zippers or Gateway Pundit. They don't read this blog or mine or Instapundit for that matter.

A lot of these voters probably are not all that political. There are also those voters who do not like Hillary but are not yet convinced Trump is an option. That is the target Trump needs to score to win. Chip makes a point about the rallies, they are funny and entertaining. That sort of thing wins votes. But the message is being drowned out intentionally by a hostile dishonest media.

edutcher said...

Stein does (or did) a lot better than Johnson in the polls and some of the NeverTrumpers have been trying to push him - to little avail, from what I can see. Libertarians usually pull from the R, but Stein could definitely be the Ralph Nader of the campaign.

PS E, I don't insult you or at least I try very hard not to. We just disagree strongly.

Your motivations mystify me on occasion and I have a hard time trying to figure out what you want.

Much like marriage.

PPS If I were you, I'd go to his website and start with his positions. He's on Twit and Facebook, but maybe somebody has an email. I'd also try Manafort and Scavino; I understand why they don't make it public, but there's got to be an email address somewhere.

edutcher said...

Funny, I get accused of "stalking", whining, and so on, but, when I do try to get out the word about why this stuff is important - something that could be shared with that Army, then I'm making it all about me.

Perhaps if some people didn't dismiss what the non-political types don't usually see, but helped spread the word, it might get where they could see it.

They've proposed that and I thought I'd been doing that since January. Maybe somebody can break through the cacophony at Insta - God knows, I tried - but anybody who wants to pass it on to Ace or whomever, I'm certainly not stopping them.

Evi L. Bloggerlady said...

ed, sorry for snapping at you. I just want you to pause a bit. You constantly make it personal all the time. You just don't know you do it. You bring up "One True Ted" or other nonsense from the primaries or put words in my mouth I never said.

I do not take it personally and I know you mean well. It is just the way you are. I could post 10 positive things about Trump (or negative things about Hillary) but if I criticize how he is doing things you take it personally. You are emotionally tied to Trump and feel the need to protect him. I get that.

Do you want to be right or be happy? Being happy is seeing Hillary Clinton lose on November 8 and 9.

I friggin loved Trump's foreign policy speech today. More of that. That is exactly what I want to see more of.

Evi L. Bloggerlady said...

BTW, one of Trump's points in his 3 point plan to get IS is you have to be able to use the words radical Islam.

IOW What the Khan man was saying at the convention could not be allowed to stand unchallenged because the Khan man contends terror is separate from Islam.


How Trump addressed it today in Youngstown about ISIS was brilliant and well said. That is how he should have responded to the Kahns (don't punch down), not flailing around for a week and a half as what occurred after the DNC convention.

edutcher said...

Evi L. Bloggerlady said...

You constantly make it personal all the time. You just don't know you do it. You bring up
"One True Ted" or other nonsense from the primaries or put words in my mouth I never said.


OK, our definition of what's personal may be different, that I can grant.

As for the primaries, I'm usually trying to make a point.

Evi L. Bloggerlady said...

ed, I like you. I really do.

If if you push off people like Nick and me over Hillary and Trump, how in the hell do you win voters in the middle? The primary battles are over...let it go. None of that stuff matters any more.

The only battle that matters is Trump vs. Hillary.

edutcher said...

Now, hold it a second.

All I do is disagree and, sometimes, rebut. I can't help if you take it otherwise. Yeah, I do ask the musical "what does it take to please you" only because most things Trump does not seem to fit your standards. I get you want a more conventional campaign. I get what's said in the media gets to you.

Perhaps. because I'm older and have seen a lot more of this stuff, I have a different sense of what to sweat and what not to - or maybe why expect them to play nice.

nd seems to take it in the spirit given. All I can do is call 'em like I see 'em.

Believe me when I say, if I wanted to get nasty, I do have the command of the language to do so.

I don't want that, never have, but I do reserve the right to disagree and to express myself in clear, hopefully temperate, English. E, I really don't want a fight with you, anymore than I wanted it with someone else, but I will say what's on my mind and, if I think you're wrong, I'll disagree with you. Now you've said I've insulted you, but you have no trouble calling me a true believer as if that's something that makes me less able to sort things out than you. You'd be surprised how little I take at face value. Troop and I have disagreed on some of these things, but I think we're both looking at a bigger picture.

The primary battles are over...let it go.

And I don't think I've mentioned the primaries all day. Maybe in a couple of days. You seem to keep bringing them up.

Or am I wrong?

Anybody?



Sixty Grit said...

It's like that turncoat general said the other day - not only are you responsible for what you say, but for how others take it.

AprilApple said...

Evi -

This is not even about April Apple who is already in the bag for Hillary.

Don't be an idiot.

chickelit said...

April isn't in the bag for anyone. She appears to be against any and all this time around. She's quite useful to both sides.

Evi L. Bloggerlady said...

April: Sorry, I did to you what ed often does to me. I do not want to curtail your free speech. I might be more receptive for arguments about you being against Hillary if you spent time criticizing why Hillary is unfit. As for Trump, tell us what it would take to get you to support him and what he could do to win. I am curious what you think about that.

ed: you are free to state whatever you want. I do not want to curtail your free speech.