“I also understand that parents need to have some measure of choice in things as well, so that’s the balance that the government has to decide,” he said.Is there anything left to politicize?
As for Paul, he told talk show host Laura Ingraham that he had chosen to hold off on vaccinating his children for some diseases.
“I didn’t like them getting 10 vaccines at once, so I actually delayed my kids’ vaccines and had them staggered over time,” he said.
Both men’s remarks drew immediate rebuke from experts on the issue.
“When you see educated people or elected officials giving credence to things that have been completely debunked, an idea that’s been shown to be responsible for multiple measles and pertussis outbreaks in recent years, it’s very concerning,” said Amesh Adalja, an infectious-disease physician at the Center for Health Security at the University of Pittsburgh. He called the comments from Paul particularly troubling because Paul is a doctor.
Tuesday, February 3, 2015
"Vaccination debate flares in GOP presidential race..."
"Christie... said Monday that “there has to be a balance, and it depends on what the vaccine is, what the disease type is, and all the rest.” He added: “Not every vaccine is created equal, and not every disease type is as great a public health threat as others."
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Christie is an idiot.
Where is the accountably and apology from the sacred media cows?
Hillary?
Obama?
McCain?
What say you?
Sadly, even Rand Paul is whoring ignorance on the issue.
Parents are making the wrong choice for the wrong reasons based on bad non-facts and now formerly eradicated diseases are making a come-back.
Why? All because Jenny McCarthy made it trendy to be anti-science. Our sacred cow betters in the political world jumped on it, because they are unaccountable finger in the wind Emily Litellas. Now, Measles and whooping cough are on the rise.
Bravo Hillary!
Now the political whore is snarking on twitter and reversing her old anti-science position as if she never had an anti-science position. How convenient.
"I am committed to make investments to find the causes of autism, including possible environmental causes like vaccines."
--Hillary Clinton, 2008 campaign
While I am in favor of vaccinations for highly contagious diseases, I am v-e-r-y leery of a federal requirement. I favor a state by state mandate. States can say who goes to school, etc., and who cannot. I'm uncomfortable with a federal mandate because of how it might get expanded by executive fiat down the road. Almost feel like I need to find my tinfoil hat. It is in the category of good intentions paving the road to hell, so to speak.
Full disclosure: when I was a kid my mother did not believe in vaccinations, like many parents of those days, so I got none...and I caught measles, but not chicken pox or the mumps. Best pure luck was not getting polio, which was rampant in the 40's & 50's. I never had a vaccination until I enlisted in the US Army (age 26)...then I got the full course of doses and had a shot record that looked like someone's diary. I think my mother was wrong...and the US Army was right.
What do y'all think?
PS: Making Jenny McCarthy your info source says it all. In Asia I saw many diseases that could have been prevented. Thanks but I'll take science over gadfly. I am only conflicted about who should control it.
Watch the DNC press give Hillary a pass and ignore completely her past statement.
Binders full of measles
I had measles, German measles, Chicken Pox and Mumps (with extra added encephalitis which almost killed me). I may be wrong about measles measles but definitely the Germans.
But I think, Ari, your Mom might deserve a break. The measles vaccines started coming out in 1963 and (if I recall your age correctly) it and the others were not available during your early childhood.
Vaccine timeline.
Rabel...you have a point about the time-line. By 1963 I was an adult (age 21) and the vaccinations I recall had to be the polio vaccines of my time previously, two in all, and one was potentially lethal. None the less, my family wouldn't consider it. So, yeah, she gets a break...
Never-the-less, I am leery of a federal mandate....having been a "fed" I just do not trust the institutional mind set. I want to be wrong in this case, but cannot help my skepticism. Today, science based measles vaccine, tomorrow, what?
I don't think a federal mandate is the answer and IMO, a bit of a diversion from accountability from out so called leaders.
The reality is that after years of anti-science being pushed by our political betters, the tally has come due.
IF actual facts about the science of vaccinations were made available, instead of trendy anti-science garbage pushed for political expediency back when it was trendy to do so, perhaps parents would make better decisions on their own, without government coercion.
Formerly eradicated diseases are making a comeback, and in 2008, both Hillary and Obama were in the anti-vax hysteria camp.
Are there any consequences now to all of that trendy loose talk? Trendy anti-science talk has come to fruition. Any apologies forthcoming?
Instead we get the usual ass-covering and dishonest blame shifting from the NYTimes (The Clinton campaign headquarters.)
Hillary's past statements have ushered in an era of ignorance based decisions.
"I've seen horrors... horrors that you've seen. But you have no right to call me a murderer. You have a right to kill me. You have a right to do that... but you have no right to judge me. It's impossible for words to describe what is necessary to those who do not know what horror means. Horror. Horror has a face... and you must make a friend of horror. Horror and moral terror are your friends. If they are not then they are enemies to be feared. They are truly enemies. I remember when I was with Special Forces. Seems a thousand centuries ago. We went into a camp to inoculate the children. We left the camp after we had inoculated the children for Polio, and this old man came running after us and he was crying. He couldn't see. We went back there and they had come and hacked off every inoculated arm. There they were in a pile. A pile of little arms. And I remember... I... I... I cried. I wept like some grandmother. I wanted to tear my teeth out. I didn't know what I wanted to do. And I want to remember it. I never want to forget it. I never want to forget. And then I realized... like I was shot... like I was shot with a diamond... a diamond bullet right through my forehead. And I thought: My God... the genius of that. The genius. The will to do that. Perfect, genuine, complete, crystalline, pure. And then I realized they were stronger than we. Because they could stand that these were not monsters. These were men... trained cadres. These men who fought with their hearts, who had families, who had children, who were filled with love... but they had the strength... the strength... to do that. If I had ten divisions of those men our troubles here would be over very quickly. You have to have men who are moral... and at the same time who are able to utilize their primordial instincts to kill without feeling... without passion... without judgment... without judgment. Because it's judgment that defeats us."
-- Apocalypse Now (1979) (Colonel Kurtz, certified nut job)
Remember Hillary's Vaccine fiasco?
also called": Remembering Hillary's past anti-free market Marxist statements.
The Jordanian pilot held by ISIS is reportedly dead.
Re: Rand Paul's not wanting his kid to get ten vaccines at once: most parents would balk at their kids getting ten vaccines at once. That's just common sense.
Before the oral polio vaccine was created I was one of the little kids who got a shot. I drew the last number and watched kid after kid walking away holding a sore arm, sometimes crying. I was a religious little fucker and prayed for a miracle that would keep me from getting stabbed for no good reason that I could see.
I guess the miracle is that the shot worked and I didn't get polio whereas one of my older cousins did before the vaccine became available.
This is only a political issue because the press, having failed to paint the GOP as anti-women, wishes to now paint the GOP as anti-science. Before this month is out I suspect some reporter will ask Republican candidates if they believe in a global flood and a man named Noah (I do). They want to not just try to embarrass the GOP, but create a wedge issue from whole cloth.
The reality is most Americans get their vaccinations and their children get vaccinations. The reality is that some of the loudest voices against vaccinations are celebrities who lean to the left. In fact, the reality is that a growing number of upper income people have opted out of vaccinations and those people skew to the left.
But the media wants to make this about the GOP being anti-science. The whole issue is the media’s back door into further conversations about global warming.
But here’s the thing the media misses. The main reason there is a growing opt-out of vaccinations is because there is a growing distrust of government. People are convinced government screws everything up, including medicine. The real story is that the growing distrust of government is bipartisan, includes upper income Americans, and could potentially be fatal to many children.
The only cure for the distrust is to put government back into its proper spheres. But the media has no interest in telling that story.
-Eric Erikson
dang. place " " around that whole thing.
Lem, it's reported that they burned him alive.
Oh dear Lord. and the impotent Che Guevara golfer-in-Chief will do nothing.
What? no way.
Personally, I love vaccinations. I'll take whatever you got. In fact, I search out octogenarians and older and kiss them right on the mouth. I want what they got. I do, however, not trust the government. I mean in general, we are definitely becoming stupider and that's good for the government, so I'm thinking there is a connection.
Sure enough. MSM news on local KOA radio played the quote of Rand Paul saying:
"I've seen normal kids ruined after vaccines...blahblahblah"
and then the squishy Chris Christie quote - then followed with Hillary's "The sky is blue the earth is round quote..."
Leaving OUT Hillary's past anti-vax - vax = autism statements.
But what can be said to parent who had a normal child, got them vaccinated, then things turned very bad for the child.
"Man, those post hoc ergo propter hocs sure can be propter hoccery sometimes."
This discussion is incomplete without mentioning uncontrolled immigration. So I am not even listening. That is federal government NOT doing arguably its fundamental duty. There is something to be said for nationalism. Some things are done better here than elsewhere, even immediately elsewhere.
It's all well and good to be a vaccine free rider when the contagion is well managed for decades to extinction but not so with borders uncontrolled from an invasion of unvaccinated children, shut up I AM thinking of the children, pouring across from origins unknown, and assisted in that pouring by the government created to prevent it but presently so woefully mismanaged they would have you look elsewhere for answers, to your own selves, free riding by rejecting even more of that federal power. We ask, power to do what? Power to force every citizen to vaccinate even after diseases are well managed or power to control the flow of unvaccinated persons into a previously well-controlled environment.
tl:dr Knock it off with distraction arguments already. We know where this problem started and it isn't Disneyland.
An octogenarian don't appreciate being kissed on the mouth is an octogenarian what's tired of life.
I give them all my love
They give me all their germs
There are people who cannot be vaccinated.
There are also children who have bad reactions, but the reaction is a different underlying problem. Not the vaccine itself.
I highly recommend this episode of Nova. It is a fair portrayal of the debate.
It will also will plant a seed of freak-out regarding elevators.
The press is not responsible for what this fuck or Rand Paul choose to say. They are total panderers.
To contrast, here's what Hillary says. It's not 2008:
https://twitter.com/hillaryclinton/status/562456798020386816
You GOPPERS are funny. The government won't come in and vaccinate everybody - even though they apparently did back in the day. They'll just mandate it as a requirement to attend school or any public event. And if you don't, and end up getting a leukemia patient or underage or otherwise involuntarily unvaccinated, or individual otherwise too frail to medically sanction vaccination sick, then they will sue you for everything you've got and hopefully enact some legislation to allow criminal penalties, as well.
Enough with these asshole free-riders.
I don't understand what you are saying, R&B.
Hillary has flipped from her stance in 2008. The sky is blue, & Hillary is a hack.
"I am committed to make investments to find the causes of autism, including possible environmental causes like vaccines."
--Hillary Clinton, 2008 campaign
Being as this thread is all over the place, well here is my all over the place comment.
They incinerated that Jordanian pilot. I watched the vid.
Bastard savages.
And our exalted leader, our Nobel Prize winner, responds; 'we'll be more vigilant' (google it). WTF?
More and more, I suspect, R&B doesn't understand himself, as his Utopian world crumbles in the face of reality.
The inconvenience. It hurts.
Flashback: When Hillary and Obama Gave Credence to Anti-Vaccine Theories
The rush to hide Hillary's past statements is telling. Somehow a twitter hashtag erases everything in our new Potemkin paradigm.
As another aside, and very off topic comment... well, perhaps not completely off topic, as we're discussing bullshit, essentially. The anti-vaxers could be rightly compared to the anti-Americans in a sense. All bullshit from the ignorant.
Our politicians, our media, our academia, all attempting to feed us bullshit. And largely succeeding.
I think we still have a chance here, America, at being that shining city on a hill. But the more we elect shapeless assholes the less chance we have.
This issue is all over the media. Could it be a distraction from the Obamacare tax issue, or even an apologia for single payer healthcare (as in the government will make sure everyone is immunized - or else)?
Somehow I totally missed Paul saying he was against vaccines. Spreading them out a bit for small children is hardly an anti-vac stand.
Nor are Christie's statements particularly troubling.
Neither were suggesting that vaccinations are causing autism, or that people shouldn't vaccinate their kids.
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