Your gender identity – in case you didn’t know – is your perception of yourself as either “male, female, or something else.” And that’s official, according to the American Psychological Association. Many LGBT activists will say that gender identity means your perception of yourself as “male, female, both, or neither.” In any event, most such legislation, including the Maryland bill, define gender identity as: “the gender related identity, appearance, expression, or behavior of a person, regardless of the person’s assigned sex at birth.”The Federalist
But a big part of the audacity of the legislation is that it goes by the devious name “Fairness for All Marylanders Act.” What it really means is “Fairness for Some Marylanders,” only those who perceive themselves to be a different gender from the sex “assigned” to them on their birth certificate. (read more)
Saturday, March 29, 2014
"If We Can Pick Our Gender, Can We Pick Our Age? Our Race?
"The new news is that Maryland is next on the hit parade of states (it will be the 18th) to pass legislation claiming to protect transgendered individuals from discrimination. It’s due to happen today in fact (if it hasn’t already). If you haven’t yet heard about the Maryland law, that’s because there appears to have been a pretty strict media blackout on it."
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I identify as a millionaire. Where's my money, California?! Haters!
Why must every critter be "protected?" You're transgendered - whatever that is - and you made your he/she/it bed? You gotta lie in it, consequences and all.
I want to be one of those people in that ad that was here yesterday.
Oh, right, I already am. Which one you ask? There might be many acceptable answers. Perhaps poor but happy old guy works. Or maybe I am the old white guy on the boat. We may never know.
But at least I can choose now. Not like back in the bad old days, you know, like earlier this year, when you had to be what you were. Man, it's like the dawn of a swell new age.
Guys, some people do feel they are a gender other than what their genitals indicate. Roll with it.
DEb said ...
... some people do feel they are a gender other than what their genitals indicate
And some people will be born with both sets of genitals and what they "think" in adulthood has nothing to do with shit-headed psychologists and surgeons do to them by age of 1.
What then?
This seeks to address "feelings" not realities...may everyone who supports it get hit by a speeding bus this evening. Assholes.
The young man I know likes girls, dreams of having a dick (like the one they motherfuckers loped off), and what is he to say to any girl who might grown to like him...what? Maybe: "I 'think' I am male so I am?"
I'm done with this .... the topic is just too much bullshit in one pile. Period.
"Transgender" is a cool concept...unless you REALLY are born that way (can you say "hermaphrodite" ... WTF is "transwhatever?) and then "assigned" by your betters. These fey dip-shits have no idea...and I truly wish they did suddenly come to realize it due to their asshole ideas.
Roll With It, Guys
Dreaming of a dick,
A dick that WORKS.
Slashed. Left with this slit.
Smug sadistic jerks.
Ari:
"And some people will be born with both sets of genitals and what they "think" in adulthood has nothing to do with shit-headed psychologists and surgeons do to them by age of 1.
What then?"
That's extremely wrong and should be outlawed to the max. But I am reminded of a Readers' Digest story I read some 30 years ago about a set of boy twins who while being circumcised, one was left without a penis due to the surgeon not properly operating the equipment and a gas explosion of some sort occurred. The parents were torn, did not know what to do, and eventually decided to raise him as a girl.
A few years ago, I'm pretty sure I heard the outcome, that it was the same case, as it came out as a news story that the one raised as a girl, given hormones I assume, and never told the truth, has severe issues and has always felt he was a boy. So yes, leave it alone if a boy loses his penis.
But I am talking about adults.
Don't be a dick, ricpic.
Go Deborah! Women tend to be open minded about this stuff....generally.
Titus gives a breeder the high sign!
If I am not mistaken, transgender does not mean surgery, necessarily. It can mean simply to start acting and dressing female. It can mean hormones with no surgery.
I know of a case, in a sensitive industry, where one day a man came in dressed as a woman. It was predicted by the one who told me this that the guy would be dismissed for psych issues. 'She' was not. I asked, did she dress all sexy, or dress well? No, she was homely, dowdily dressed, and used make-up poorly. It's not all about being the belle of the ball. It's about being brave enough to be who you are.
I do think I may be kind of trannyphobic though. I don't know any trannies and think they should start their own club and not be attached to the LandG. I think the L's should actually be seperate too, but that would cause much consternation.
Same with Bi's.
We are not all unified. Gay men, in general, disparage and look down upon drags, trannies and fems in the community. And Lezzies and Fags are not exactly close...for the most part-but sometimes-in some instances-but otherwise we kind of are seperate but definitely not equal.
None of my friends or I know a tranny or bi....but maybe if we did, we would accept them.
Lastly, there is no home for fat homosexuals and that is sad.
I think it all cums down to knowing one.
tits.
Was there any evidence that such discrimination actually existed?
Somehow, I doubt it.
So, we've gone from wringing our hands over 2% of the populace (gays), to worrying about an almost negligible percent of the populace.
Why?
Women have a problem here. Women tend to believe that because somebody complains that their feelings were hurt, that there was some substance to that complain.
Usually, they're wrong.
Deborah said ...
That's extremely wrong and should be outlawed ...
I understand your intent, however, it is just precisely the assholes who think like the proponents of this crap who arrange the atrocities. They are very willing to decide for you or someone else....and then say it was a individual decision.
All men and all women have at least some of the opposite sexes inclinations, and seldom admit it. So these pricks come along and guide the weak. Guess whose inclinations they're really acting out in doing this?
This from the linked article gets to the heart of the matter:
"To codify self-perceptions as protected traits requires that the rule of law give way to as many different interpretations of perceptions as there are people perceiving and being perceived. Such Orwellian distortions of language always serve as recipes for tyranny. They become halls of smoke and mirrors that breed more ambiguity and confusion. It requires us to do away with any common acceptance of reality. This is a very hazardous path. It doesn’t lead to justice and it doesn’t lead to liberty for all. Ambiguity in the law cannot help but breed corruption. Such laws are bound to be enforced entirely at the whim of whatever bureaucratic clique rules the day."
Ari:
"I understand your intent, however, it is just precisely the assholes who think like the proponents of this crap who arrange the atrocities. They are very willing to decide for you or someone else....and then say it was a individual decision.
All men and all women have at least some of the opposite sexes inclinations, and seldom admit it. So these pricks come along and guide the weak. Guess whose inclinations they're really acting out in doing this?"
The tragic case you mention. How long ago was the man mutilated?
I have not looked into it, but because of cases like the young man you mention, I imagine there will be and probably already is a big re-thinking on how these cases are handled, and will be in the future.
I think you overestimate the amount of coercion forced upon people to transgender. Getting a sex change operation is a very drawn out process. There is much counseling, testing, and pre-surgery steps such as dressing as the opposite sex, taking hormones, etc., before the final step.
People who choose to dress and act as the opposite sex, I'm sure can reach that decision on their own, and do with much introspection, without the help of the type of people you mention.
The linked article is garbage. A polemic with no nuance and little, if any, logic.
This subject, because of the outrage it engenders deserves more insightful and informative articles.
Deborah, two of my daughters identify male.
What Ari is talking about, among other things, is that most people have some of the other sex's inclinations and don't admit it. Thus, kids think everyone else is super-duper happy with how they were born and never ever feel like an alien and never ever think they "should have" been a boy or a girl.
And then other people, who will not ever ever actually mess up their own lives, come along and encourage this fantasy, that everyone else is super happy with their "assigned" sex and no one ever feels confused or messed up and at this point, who can possibly know?
No one can tell what is inside someone else's head... but no one even tries anymore, because that's being a hater. The numbers of young people identifying as transgendered is skyrocketing but you *can't* suggest to them that it might be the best plan to try to come to terms with their biological reality and their healthy body... because that's being a hater. No one sits them down and says they need to be really really sure or tries to compare the strength of their identity issues to the sort of feelings people normally have. All a kid has to do is decide that, sure, they're a girl, and the only right answer forever more after that is... let's grow you some boobs, sweetheart, and lop off that thing you hate that's between your legs.
I've been told by "supportive" people that there is this huge, important, careful process involved. It's bullshit.
Now... fine with me if the teachers say "he"... and if someone is happier then why not? But as a parent, I know that if either of my kids are eventually unhappy or change their minds or become angry because they do, at age 30 or so, decide that they really did want to someday have children of their own... that not a single one of the people pushing this is ever going to be held responsible and not a one of them will ever have the decency to feel ashamed.
But the truth is, that the support anymore is every bit as mindless as the opposition and all it takes is a kid freaking out about puberty.
Synova:
"But the truth is, that the support anymore is every bit as mindless as the opposition and all it takes is a kid freaking out about puberty."
Well said, Synova. Thank you for the birds-eye view of your experience. I imagine the hardest thing will be to get them to wait till they're past 25, or so, when mental maturity is supposed to kick in.
Synova, I agree, well said.
That's my real concern in what you say. It's absolutely based on the enthusiastic support of one kind of perception.
Meanwhile, sexuality and gender is given a paradoxical level of importance.
There is no gender differences, in one part of the discussion, so that women and men all are really the same.
On the other, it's absolutely everything and being male has a very specific feeling that is accompanied by stereotyped role expression.
Sexuality is just something we do. It's also, on the other side, the very essence of who we are.
It's minimized so much that there can't be any psychological issues or distortions. Our sexual identity is absolute.
But it's so maximized that every surrounding context must immediately cater to our expressed perception.
The concept of social liability seems to have disappeared from the social contract. Why?
I don't know much about this subject, but I'm astonished to discover that the number of kids who "identify" as the opposite sex, rather than conforming to the behavior once expected because they were born male or female, is "skyrocketing."
Why?
The notion that one should conformed simply out of obligation seems to to disappeared, and to me this is a phenomenon that is fraught with all sorts of dangers. I'll try to relate my own experience.
I'm currently trying to stay out of an argument between my daughter and her husband over whether my granddaughter should be baptized in the Catholic Church. I stated once that I want her to be baptized, and now I'm leaving it alone.
My daughter is the holdout against her husband. Three families want the baptism... my family, my girlfriend's family and my son-in-law's family. I've tried explaining to the daughter that she might consider agreeing to the baptism solely out of a sense of social obligation.
This makes no sense to her, much to my amazement.
I don't know if you see my point, but I think we're stretching the ideals of personal autonomy and freedom to the point at which those ideals become destructive. It seems odd to people, I know, that something that seems good on the face of it can ultimately be very destructive, but I think we've reached that point.
To put my idea into a shorter form:
Mothers tend to be dominantly focused on "fairness" in respect to their children.
Father tend to be dominantly focused on "discipline" in respect to their children.
As the balance of power has shifted to women, the fairness focus has exploded as a societal obsession, and the discipline focus has diminished.
I see all sorts of negative outcomes already, and a shitload of negative outcome headed our way in the future.
I donno, ST.
Part of me thinks it's because when no one ever so much as suggested that you had a choice, if you really couldn't come to terms with how you were born, then that meant something.
Now it's genuinely presented as something that you've got to figure out without reference to if you were born with a penis or not.
I know how I felt when I was a kid. I had friends who, pre-puberty, were all "I'm really a boy!" because they sort of wished they were, and they'd run around and do boy things and pee standing up (girls can, you know, with even worse aim than boys) and we called them Tom Boys and they grew up and got married and had kids because they eventually came to terms and decided that what life gave them is what was and they liked guys and being a girl didn't cramp their style anyhow and they wore a dress at their wedding and never again in their life so...
And if someone never came to terms... well, that was different... and rare.
But now instead of gender not mattering, like Patrick said, it's the most profound and fundamental thing about your entire being and if you don't feel like you conform to one, then you're obviously the other.
I love my kids and will do so forever, and I hope they have happy, fulfilled and productive lives... but 30 years from now the Psych industry is going to look back on this time and be appalled.
But now instead of gender not mattering, like Patrick said, it's the most profound and fundamental thing about your entire being and if you don't feel like you conform to one, then you're obviously the other.
The substitution of the word "gender" for "sex" is very odd to me.
I don't think I agree that either is the "most profound and fundamental thing about your entire being."
I think that one's relationship to God is that most profound and fundamental thing.
And, for most people, that has been lost. Leaving us to wander in the desert.
And, it seems to be no accident that the second rebellion against God, after that of Lucifer, was that of Eve against the edict not to eat from the Tree of Knowledge.
Rebellion against the status of being female is the very first story of human life on this earth.
And, excuse my verbosity, but surrendering to the decision of God about what sex (or gender) He confers upon you seems like the best way to go about things to me.
I don't think I agree that either is the "most profound and fundamental thing about your entire being."
I should add that I don't believe this either, but was saying that's what the culture/society are saying to kids and really everyone. I think that's what Synova was pointing at as well, as her last sentence suggests disagreement with the current state of things.
Society says sex doesn't matter do what and who you want, sex is everything, who you are at your core, YOU MUST CHOOSE!
Which is as mixed message as you can get, leading to confusions that thinks they need some major life changing resolution.
Meanwhile, I personally agree that "one's relationship to God is that most profound and fundamental thing." I think that's what Paul was getting at in Romans 1 and 2. There's folks who get their identity mixed up and fall into traps, but who are we to judge, we're putting our identity in false directions too, rather than taking seriously that God is the fundamental source of meaning.
Which is also why I tend not to see this as a battleground to fight about. I might disagree but I'll roll with it. Western social conservative that I am.
By the way, Synova, I appreciate your sharing your personal experiences here.
Synova said ...
I love my kids and will do so forever, and I hope they have happy, fulfilled and productive lives... but 30 years from now the Psych industry is going to look back on this time and be appalled.
From those words I know you understand my position. I am barely rational on the subject, but I am happy to find that there really are people out there who get it.
Thank you for that. It really is important.
Synova:
"I've been told by "supportive" people that there is this huge, important, careful process involved. It's bullshit."
Will you give a little more information? Are you saying the people saying this are lying, and are happy to rush the job? Or do you mean the entire idea telling a teen this is bullshit, and they should be saying, 'look, your a teen, you have hormones...'
But what I'm really getting at is how likely is it that a guidance counselor or therapist would launch into that kind of talk? Wouldn't the first line of argument be, 'you're a teen...'
Just by way of contrast, when my daughter was in high school, she told me that two girls walking around holding hands were taken to the office and read scripture.
Deborah...let me try again, with more courtesy, etc.
We all have feminine and masculine traits. All of us, from the hairiest ape man to the daintiest sparkling lady. ALL. OF. US.
For some assholes to set out to determine these inclinations are determinative is hogwash....that you are what you think you wish based upon some nonsense you've been fed, et al ad infinitum. It is not that complex. There are those who want it to be so,...and there you go.
Follow the money trail...there is no money in normal is there?
Two of my best male friends in childhood were extremely effeminate in their behaviors, however both married, had families and lovely children, plus ran successful businesses. From what I could tell, both their wives loved them for their traits and gentleness. Go figure.
Good thing none of these assignment jerks got hold of them, eh?
We get hung up on this "either/or" crap when we are ALL either and or. Jesus on a flaming pogo stick...how is this hard to get? No one, NO ONE, outside of you, yourself, can determine how you feel and if you feel one way or the other, it is okay...you do NOT f'ing need to declare one damn thing. Nothing. Nada. Zilch.
You asked earlier how old the young man I mentioned was...he is 17 this year and his horror story is only beginning. People will judge, he will pay, all for the dumb assed machinations of analysts, activists, and misguided surgeons 17 years ago. And this shit is still being done...it is NOT new or old, it just is. No one waited for him to know enough to say what he felt.
I really wish all of these manipulators were f'ing dead.
Courtesy be damned, Ari.
Earlier, when responding to Synova's March 29 7:35pm, I indicated that Synova had opened my eyes about the lack of appropriate guidance for these young people. So I am on board. I'm also interested in exploring the topic as to numbers, etc.
I would like to take issue with this:
"Two of my best male friends in childhood were extremely effeminate in their behaviors, however both married, had families and lovely children, plus ran successful businesses. From what I could tell, both their wives loved them for their traits and gentleness. Go figure."
First I'd like to know what you consider extremely effeminate behavior on your friends' part, but I'm thinking you give short shrift to the effeminate male who is very attracted to women.
And definitely, follow the money.
Paddy:
"Society says sex doesn't matter do what and who you want, sex is everything, who you are at your core, YOU MUST CHOOSE!
Which is as mixed message as you can get, leading to confusions that thinks they need some major life changing resolution.
Meanwhile, I personally agree that "one's relationship to God is that most profound and fundamental thing." I think that's what Paul was getting at in Romans 1 and 2. There's folks who get their identity mixed up and fall into traps, but who are we to judge, we're putting our identity in false directions too, rather than taking seriously that God is the fundamental source of meaning."
Bravo. FTW.
Deborah said..
First I'd like to know what you consider extremely effeminate behavior on your friends' part, but I'm thinking you give short shrift to the effeminate male who is very attracted to women.
Huh? How and where did you "get" that interpretation from anything I said...if I call someone a "friend" I mean I care for them as a brother or sister. I really don't get your point of view or your idea of mine.
Simple point: this whole idea of mental "transgender" as unique is bullshit. It is a gambit by assholes to acquire attention and fuck up people's lives. We are all transgender. Period.
My bad, never mind.
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