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George's brother Robert Zimmerman has also been very impressive as the entire Zimmerman family has. Both brothers seem smart, conscientious, compassionate model citizens from what I have learned and heard from them. Can't we put people like that in jail? It's not fair to just jail criminals.
I just got another fifty pound bag of brown rice, if you want a conversation about rice
Short grain or long grain or basimati? I like the short grain brown rice to make a chewy risotto.
:-)
This morning we were discussing race and the Zimmerman trial. It is such a travesty to see our political class and the media intentionally stirring up racial divisions so that they can keep people agitated and garner votes. I think we are just a few steps away from some real ugly nationwide violence. When the shit hits the fan, those who created the problem will just act surprised and be uncomprehending of their culpability.
The miracle is there were really no riots, except Oakland, where the city fathers (or mothers) surrendered to the hoodla some time ago. Maybe people are wising up.
Or maybe flash mobs, the knockout game and incidents like this are a kind of ongoing race riot.
Meade said...
America needs to have a national conversation about grace.
No, I think people know what kind of conversations they need.
Unless we're talking the Willie/AG "my people"/Choom type of conversation, which is just being told how terrible we are by a pack of Lefty racist hypocrites.
"Juror B37 says their initial vote was 3 for acquittal, 1 for guilty, and 2 for, "well he is innocent, but we surely can find him guilty of something?"
That is seriously disappointing and pretty damned scary.
I have to now take some time to calculate how much of a beating I can take until I go unconscious and figure out whether or not the guy punching me really means it when he says I'm gonna die tonight. I have a few seconds to do this while he's beating me, so I'm good. Maybe I'll just stay in my house so nobody thinks I'm following them and just attacks me for it without asking first why.
I ask my question again: What if Zimmerman was an undercover cop?
Martin had no concern with who he was attacking. It could have been a mentally damaged person, a cop, someone just innocently looking for an address. It could have been any of us. Get ready to spin the wheel with your freedom, or just lay there and take your beating. Your kids will be fine without you.
Years ago I made friends with these Chinese people who ran a tiny little restaurant. They lived in the back, so far as I could tell.
I'd order hacked chicken for lunch even though it wasn't on the menu. I guess that proved me worthy enough so the lady gave me her secret for cooking rice.
Bagoh, I think when you consider that this was a female jury, it's not scary at all. I found it encouraging. I'm pleasantly surprised that half of them had good sense on the first vote.
When these race hustling assholes like Al (should be in jail) Sharpton open their self-promoting yaps what they are saying is they want all the criminal, and stupid members of their community to come out in the streets and demonstrate and reinforce all the worst stereotypes of those communities, to embarrass and stain the good people who live there or share their racial identity. It's incredibly destructive to those people's future, their respect in the larger community, and the good will so badly needed. If anything destroys the possibility of grace, it's this.
So that explains why the "fried rice" in most Chinese restaurants really sucks. After having had REAL fried rice in San Francisco and eaten good fried rice at the home of one of my childhood friends (whose family were Chinese Catholics that had fled from Communist China in the late 1940's)......I never order that crap fried rice in a Chinese restaurant.
I think I will post my recipe on my recipe blog in a bit.
Darcy, I'm relived with the verdict, but this was a very easy case.
So easy that the local cops and D.A. didn't even think there should be an arrest. If half the jury sat through that trial and listened to that evidence and still didn't get it, then we are just playing Russian Roulette with people when we charge them. We all know it. We know that the evidence is only part of what happens, and that it's more like a game of chance. The evidence just pushes it a little one way or the other.
In our hearts, we know that even the most obvious case stands a significant chance of destroying innocent people or letting off the guilty.
The judge refused to even give them the information the needed to make a fair decision. She wouldn't let them hear the essential truth of what kind of person Trayvon was and what may have motivated him.
There are just too many factors of luck, and the judge is especially important - a single flawed person. In fact, we are are not a nation of laws, but a nation of judges, and pure luck of the draw on what today's emotional swell is. Truth can't swim against it, it just gets lucky sometimes.
I like my rice California style: Ordered over the phone with a White girl from a restaurant with a Chinese name, cooked by Mexicans, and delivered by a black surfer dude driving a Japanese piece of crap burning Saudi crude.
I agree with all that. And yet! They returned a sensible verdict.
Women. Who'da thunk it?? :)
During the restraining order portion of my divorce, we got a female American Indian for a judge. By the end of the hearing, she was screaming about injustice and wasting the court's time, as my wife's lawyer was silently carping like a fish, my wife was bawling like a baby, and I was a free man again.
Before I left, the judge AND the court reporter even apologized to me, like they had something to do with it.
Sharpton et al. would be nowhere if it was not for the MSM.
The MSM, reporters and management, are not so much Democrats as "progressives." Most are registered as "Independents," if they register to vote at all. Many think they are above such vulgar matters as elections.
However, the Democratic Party is their only chance at getting "progressive" programs enacted, and so they work at promoting and managing the Democratic Party. And today, the Democratic Party is totally dependent on getting 90-95% of "The Black Vote" to achieve legislative majorities. Hence the relentless pandering and the fear in the still of the night that black people might start getting ideas of their own and "go off the plantation."
America needs to have a national conversation about grace.
Frankly, I'm a little tired of having national discussions on anything anymore. It's a pointless endeavor that leads to no solutions and only a ton of rancor. What this country needs is to begin re-establishing what made it great to begin with. Things like limited government, low taxation, letting the market do the heavy lifting, reinforcement and establishment of property rights, the observance of liberty and privacy, the reduction of government intrusion into our lives, the ability to exercise our second amendment rights as a function of our free choice without government finding new and creative ways to stifle it, prosecutorial overreach. Or the exit of government as indoctrination facilitators into our childrens lives in public schools. How about we have those discussions. Grace is a little low on that list and frankly it's a private issue of religious observance that government should keep out of too.
Let private citizens hash out there issues without government impeding into it, grace will follow once that happens. I'm tired of talking and being lectured to.
Crack, I'd like to see that in article or book form.
I've considered doing a screenplay. I try not to revisit it too deeply now, for emotional reasons. (After all these years, I've finally got all of my stuff out of storage, but I can't bring myself to open any box marked "photos".) It's all up there, though:
Frankly, I'm a little tired of having national discussions on anything anymore. It's a pointless endeavor that leads to no solutions and only a ton of rancor. What this country needs is to begin re-establishing what made it great to begin with.
The concern wasn't about balance, it was about the "nature" of women, the intelligence of women. There will forever be women who curry the favor of men by dissing their own gender. It's something most men find irksome when a man engages in it.
It's unfair to say only women are guilty of the brain farts we see from jurors, but if you look back at some of the absolutely stupid things said by some of them after important cases, women are vastly over represented. Maybe they just talk more, but it's often very embarrassing.
The 2012 election was the eyeopener for me. You women have some work to do on living that down. I know it's hard when you're held in binders or buried under the cost of birth control, but man up losers.
Frankly, I'm a little tired of having national discussions on anything anymore
Especially since the "discussion" is all one sided and generally is an excuse for the progressives to lecture the rest of us on what we should do, eat, think and everything else. Try to "discuss" a different point of view and you are either called names or they just go LA LA LA I can't hear you.
"Darcy is known to speak her mind and Freeman is known to hold her tongue.".
And clearly both are well respected here, proving that it's the quality of how they do it that matters. Nobody would consider them to be either meek or shrill. Being smart and good just shows through, and you can't fake it.
"In the Zimmerman trial, the sound of the last holdout for guilty on the jury changing her mind was another sound of grace."
Or she was just tired and wanted it to end. Having been on a jury, I have little respect for the process, and don't romanticise it, but I don't have a better idea either.
Bid adieu, adieu, adieu, Bid adieu to girlish days, Happy Love is come to woo Thee and woo thy girlish ways— The zone that doth become thee fair, The snood upon thy yellow hair,
When thou hast heard his name upon The bugles of the cherubim Begin thou softly to unzone Thy girlish bosom unto him And softly to undo the snood That is the sign of maidenhood. (James Joyce)
It's a quality woman that disses her own sex to curry favor among men.
Do you have any evidence that she's doing it to curry favor, as opposed to saying it because she believes it to be true, at least on average? Or are you just throwing out baseless libel?
People like to indulge in hyperbolic outrage because they think it somehow supports a vaguely clear principle, even when the case at hand is a pretty poor example.
Having been on a jury, I have little respect for the process
Same here. I was on a wrongful death lawsuit of a 17 year old boy. While we did get the final verdict right, the initial vote was 8-4 in the wrong direction. It only took about an hour for two of us to convince the 8 to change their minds. ( All we had to do was go through the jury instructions, comparing the law to the facts of the case. It was obvious. )
The last hold-out had no argument beyond that boy is dead and somebody should have done something.
Crack, writing about an event can be a very cathartic experience, especially if focus on what you learned from the events, and you have learned a huge amount. Focusing on the injustice is hard because in life there's no way to get those years back.
But focusing on how those experiences sharpened and honed, going through them in writing and using them to fight for the better, so that others learn, is very healing.
It takes control of the memories, blunting their power to disrupt during times of frustration.
I always get kicked off of the jury by the prosecution during the vetting process. Maybe it is my disdain for the whole process or the way I roll my eyes when they repeat for the bazillionth time some statement or question that we have already answered.
Either way. I have been lucky enough to never serve on jury. Close but no cigar.
I would in that sweet bosom be (O sweet it is and fair it is!) Where no rude wind might visit me. Because of sad austerities I would in that sweet bosom be.
I would be ever in that heart (O soft I knock and soft entreat her!) Where only peace might be my part. Austerities were all the sweeter So I were ever in that heart. (James Joyce)
I'm sure I would be a very good juror as I am a very analytical person and pay close attention to every fact and detail and don't let emotion rule my thoughts.
Whenever we have to say what our occupations are (or were) I see the prosecutors sort of grimmace.
@deborah: Great video! I may steal it for a music post if Lem doesn't
Did you notice the level of amplification juxtaposed with the Greenpeace banner (3m:27s) followed by the shots of the power lines leading back to the stage. Irony.
Either way. I have been lucky enough to never serve on jury. Close but no cigar.
You may have been lucky, but the cause of Justice was likely unlucky.
To anyone considering avoiding jury duty- please don't. If everyone who is capable of getting out of jury duty does so, the people who are left will be badly skewed toward the incompetent.
(DBQ- I'm not implying that you were trying to get out of jury duty. )
Juror #7: You a Yankee fan? Juror #5: No, Baltimore. Juror #7: Baltimore? That's like being hit in the head with a crowbar once a day. (12 Angry Men, 1957)
I always get kicked off of the jury by the prosecution during the vetting process. Maybe it is my disdain for the whole process or the way I roll my eyes when they repeat for the bazillionth time some statement or question that we have already answered.
I'm sure I would be a very good juror as I am a very analytical person and pay close attention to every fact and detail and don't let emotion rule my thoughts.
That's why you don't get picked.
The lawyers want to be able to sway you emotionally, think John Edwards (I know, icky...).
I worked with a guy whose mother was a practicing psychiatrist. He said all she had to do was mention her occupation and she was excused.
I served on a jury. I tried to get out of it, but in the end I found it a great experience. I'd love to participate again, but working in the legal field makes it dicey to get chosen.
They mouth love's language. Yet know not it's caress Gnash the thirteen teeth Your lean jaws grin with. Lash Your burnt nose itch and quailing, nude greed of the flesh. Love's breath in you is stale, worded or sung, As sour as cat's breath, Harsh of tongue.
This grey face that stares Lies not, stark skin and bone. Leave greasy lips their kissing. None Will choose her portal you see to mouth upon. Dire hunger for lucre holds his hour. Pluck forth your heart, saltblood, a fruit of tears. Pluck and devour forth The grifter triumphant sings yet again. (James Joyce)
I did try to get out of jury duty one time. The judge asked if there were any hardships that would prevent you from being a juror.
This was in January of last year. The court is over 80 miles away, 160 miles round trip or about 3 to 4 hours of driving time total on a good day. We have to go over a mountainous winding road with the highest elevation being over 5000 feet. It was snowing every day and we had already at the pass about 6 feet of snow.
In order to GET to the courthouse by 8am, we have to leave our house by at least 6am...BEFORE the snow plows have had a chance to plow and cinder the road. In the DARK. Over icy, snowpacked dangerous roads. And unless I got a hotel to stay in, which is an expense that I didn't feel that I should have to go to, I would be leaving the Courthouse at 5pm or later and driving another TWO HOURS..... in the dark .....and snow .....and ice. And then do it day after day.
That sounded sort of like a hardship to me....but the judge didn't think so. So we went forward with the vetting of the jury and this time I didn't get picked to be on the panel. Thankfully. I was really about to break the law and refuse to show up for the court if I were picked. I'm not about to put my LIFE in jeopardy for any legal case. I'd rather be in jail for contempt of court than DEAD.
I served on a jury for a murder one case. The perp was found guilty, was sentenced to life without parole and then died in prison less than one year later.
I was surprised to be selected and would serve again if asked.
There’s nothing wrong with the cultivation of personality, and we’ve offered plenty of advice on it here on the site. It can help you navigate the world, form relationships, and become successful. But personality is absolutely no substitute for character, which should be the foundation of every man’s life.
It's a quality woman that disses her own sex to curry favor among men. It's a quality man who disses his own sex to curry favor with women.
No thanks to that quality.
It's a quality man or woman who does the right thing in the face of overwhelming opposition when all eyes are on them. Grace however, is doing the right thing when no one is looking.
This is like when a favorite watering hole gets new management. And I don't see any reason to slam the old management [Meadhouse] if all the old commenters find they like it here.
Even if convinced that your opponent is utterly wrong, yield gracefully, decline further discussion, or dexterously turn the conversation, but do not obstinately defend your own opinion until you become angry…Many there are who, giving their opinion, not as an opinion but as a law, will defend their position by such phrases, as: “Well, if I were president, or governor, I would,” — and while by the warmth of their argument they prove that they are utterly unable to govern their own temper, they will endeavor to persuade you that they are perfectly competent to take charge of the government of the nation.
In a dispute, if you cannot reconcile the parties, withdraw from them. You will surely make one enemy, perhaps two, by taking either side, in an argument when the speakers have lost their temper.
9. A man of real intelligence and cultivated mind is generally modest. He may feel when in everyday society, that in intellectual acquirements he is above those around him; but he will not seek to make his companions feel their inferiority, nor try to display this advantage over them. He will discuss with frank simplicity the topics started by others, and endeavor to avoid starting such as they will not feel inclined to discuss. All that he says will be marked by politeness and deference to the feelings and opinions of others.
The wittiest man becomes tedious and ill-bred when he endeavors to engross entirely the attention of the company in which he should take a more modest part.
If you find you are becoming angry in a conversation, either turn to another subject or keep silence. You may utter, in the heat of passion, words which you would never use in a calmer moment, and which you would bitterly repent when they were once said.
As always, professional drivers on a closed course, your mileage may vary, and be sure to read the pamphlet that comes with the medicine to become familiar with any possible side effects.
The Yahoo article by Eric Pfeiffer omits those parts of the juror's statements which would tend to justify Zimmerman's actions. This includes a deliberate misquote which drops the "heart was in the right place" part of her statement and completely omits the critical point she made that "I think Trayvon got mad and attacked him."
I read the Yahoo article first and thought that the juror's interview looked really bad for Zimmerman. Then I found the CNN article with the full quotes and was amazed at the intentional distortion by Yahoo.
There will be blood and the media will be in large part responsible.
"Maybe our nation is divided between Grace Kelly and Grace Slick."
Grace Kelly's been dead for thirty years now, and Grace Slick might as well be dead. What about Grace Jones? Or Brett Butler for that matter, who apparently is homeless and ruined. Wait, that's old news - it's even worse, she's working for Charlie Sheen. That poor woman...
Is cranky a euphemism for hostility run amok? Is he simply cranky, or is he a crank? Who slings such vituperation to someone they haven't met on a daily basis?
The Yahoo article by Eric Pfeiffer omits those parts of the juror's statements which would tend to justify Zimmerman's actions. This includes a deliberate misquote which drops the "heart was in the right place" part of her statement and completely omits the critical point she made that "I think Trayvon got mad and attacked him."
n order to GET to the courthouse by 8am, we have to leave our house by at least 6am...BEFORE the snow plows have had a chance to plow and cinder the road. In the DARK. Over icy, snowpacked dangerous roads. And unless I got a hotel to stay in, which is an expense that I didn't feel that I should have to go to, I would be leaving the Courthouse at 5pm or later and driving another TWO HOURS..... in the dark .....and snow .....and ice. And then do it day after day.
That's nuts.
My personal nightmare for many years has been to serve on a jury.
It took a long time for someone to explain to me the "reasonable" part of "reasonable doubt".
I have been told how--"not to get picked"--and I am doing all of it.
I've read all of Joyce except the Wake. I'm waiting for the Kurzweil brain implants for that.
It's a tossup whether Joyce is worth the time. I had to read four other books to get through Ulysses. But everyone can read "The Dubliners" and find gem-like, influential short stories. The epiphany section two-thirds through "A Portrait of the Artist" is easily accessible and magnificent.
For my money no other writer, except maybe Shakespeare, wrote English as well as Joyce.
"There will be blood and the media will be in large part responsible.".
Isn't that pretty much always the case anymore. If the Earth was about to be destroyed by an asteroid at the end of the week, they would manage to get us all killed before the rock even got here.
Hey I see you guys--every once and awhile at Ace's place--you , Darcy and Fen even but hardly anyone stays very long.
I guess it's a different environment--but that dude is funny as hell-- Ace--except he has really bad taste in movies--like he made people watch Sharknado.
There is some seriously mentally ill fucked up stuff happening lately. Meade and Fionahouse constantly coming to another blog, harassing the commenters here and then blogging about it at their blog.
Look. I get it. You don't like your commenters and you want them all to STFU. It got really ugly and personally, I don't blame you for shutting down the comment section. However, just because YOU can't stand talking to a vacuum and obviously don't have much to say right now, is no reason to come to someone else's blog, muck it up and attack.
Talk about a lack of grace and total lack of self awareness.
If I'm reading fiona's profile correctly, it was created yesterday. There's no evidence it's Althouse. Could just as well be Mary or some other ill wisher.
Dust Bunny Queen said... There is some seriously mentally ill fucked up stuff happening lately. Meade and Fionahouse constantly coming to another blog, harassing the commenters here and then blogging about it at their blog.
Look. I get it. You don't like your commenters and you want them all to STFU. It got really ugly and personally, I don't blame you for shutting down the comment section. However, just because YOU can't stand talking to a vacuum and obviously don't have much to say right now, is no reason to come to someone else's blog, muck it up and attack.
Talk about a lack of grace and total lack of self awareness.
Carry on.
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Yep, I vacillate between thinking the problem is NPD or Ann is really a wounded person that lashes out.
The current behavior is leaning me towards the less charitable option.
If they are going to be unwilling to give up control, or unable to let go of something they in a sense chose to throw away then that will be pretty telling.
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Don't punch random strangers even if you think you're disrespected, no matter what your culture says.
We have concealed carry.
Thus endeth the lesson.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZZTODQ37w0
I think I read once that Bob Marley was basically a gangster.
The justification was that you had to be that way in Jamaica, at the time, if you were going to get the money people owed you.
"if you were going to get the money people owed"
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Juror B37 says their initial vote was 3 for acquittal, 1 for guilty, and 2 for, "well he is innocent, but we surely can find him guilty of something?"
Then they argued for 16-17 hours, and found that there just was not anything there he could be found guilty of according to the law.
Re: "America needs to have a national conversation about grace."
Only if Grace is a Young Hollywood Actress that is
1. Having Drug-Induced Frenetic Public Escapades
2. Having Self-Taken Nude Photos Leaked on the Internet
3. That's Pretty Much it.
America Might Be Exhausted with National Conversations. America Wants More Sexy Time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DtaLp55L4E
Meade said...
America needs to have a national conversation about grace.
America needs to recognize the genius of Dick Dale and ask him to play Amazing Grace at the Super Bowl halftime show.
Hey, Meade, how about a nice cup of shut the fuck up?
I just got another fifty pound bag of brown rice, if you want a conversation about rice.
Tangled Up In Blue.
America has a national conversation about race every Sunday while watching NASCAR.
Oh deborah! LOL!
Whatcha do with all that rice, RH?
@Darcy: RH is a gluten for pun-ishment
Emancipate yourselves from summer savory;
None but ourselves can ease Lem's time.
Have no fear of islamic celery,
'Cause none of them can have Amazon Prime.
How long til Lem sees some profits,
While we banter, preen, and bullshit? Ooh!
I say just be a part of it:
We've got to not be the schnook.
Won't you help Lem bring
This blog of freedom
Cause if you never do
Right Lem is wronged
The dog gets half of the rice. I cook for two.
Nice video Pollo.
RE: "Whatcha do with all that rice, RH?"
Darcy, You've Surely Heard About those Wading Pool Rice Parties all the Hip Kids are Having Today. It is Summertime and All.
Rice Balls (the recipe, not the disease).
@deborah: Another version of Dylan doing Dylan from "Blood On The Tracks" If You See Her Say Hello
Detoxifying rice bath soak. I think RH has a party idea working.
Roll, Roll, Roll in the Rice.
Crackin' me up, Raylan. :)
@RH
Sweet.
I am reminded of limericks that have a first line ending with "Nantucket".
1. Two cups water
2. Two thingies of brown rice
3. Frozen mixed vegetables in basket
4. One Tyson precooked chicken breast bag
Steam until light come on, let it idle for a while, scoop half into dog serving dish, half into chef's dish.
The chef then adds pepper, olive oil, butter, oregano, garlic powder and salsa to his portion.
The dog doesn't know about the taste enhancers and is happy about the chicken smell all over everything.
The dog finishes first. Savoring isn't a canine trait.
George's brother Robert Zimmerman has also been very impressive as the entire Zimmerman family has. Both brothers seem smart, conscientious, compassionate model citizens from what I have learned and heard from them. Can't we put people like that in jail? It's not fair to just jail criminals.
I just got another fifty pound bag of brown rice, if you want a conversation about rice
Short grain or long grain or basimati? I like the short grain brown rice to make a chewy risotto.
:-)
This morning we were discussing race and the Zimmerman trial. It is such a travesty to see our political class and the media intentionally stirring up racial divisions so that they can keep people agitated and garner votes. I think we are just a few steps away from some real ugly nationwide violence. When the shit hits the fan, those who created the problem will just act surprised and be uncomprehending of their culpability.
Notice how there are no grace hustlers around? there's no money in it.
However race hustling, there's big money in that racket and absolutely no incentive to solve the problem. You'd be killing the golden goose!
That sounds delicious, RH.
Golden goose and rice.
rhhardin said...
I just got another fifty pound bag of brown rice...
No white, only brown?
That's Ricist!
Zimmermans Great Grandfather and his mother's side of the family. Doesn't fit the narrative and the agenda so we must ignore.
It's actually fairly bland but it runs the bicycle and the scythe.
Wittgenstein said he didn't care what was for lunch so long as it was the same thing every day.
So, here's where the old gang is hiding.
Everyone joining a club that lets Crack in. What would Groucho say?
Clever, Bagoh. I shall now aspire to be a grace hustler.
The miracle is there were really no riots, except Oakland, where the city fathers (or mothers) surrendered to the hoodla some time ago. Maybe people are wising up.
Or maybe flash mobs, the knockout game and incidents like this are a kind of ongoing race riot.
Meade said...
America needs to have a national conversation about grace.
No, I think people know what kind of conversations they need.
Unless we're talking the Willie/AG "my people"/Choom type of conversation, which is just being told how terrible we are by a pack of Lefty racist hypocrites.
(and, no, I'm not including Meade in that group)
Thanks, chick, I hadn't heard that one before :)
David said...
So, here's where the old gang is hiding.
Everyone joining a club that lets Crack in. What would Groucho say?
I've mentioned this before, but Saint Croix has also started a blog.
You can drop in at:
http://www.saintcroix.blogspot.com/
"Juror B37 says their initial vote was 3 for acquittal, 1 for guilty, and 2 for, "well he is innocent, but we surely can find him guilty of something?"
That is seriously disappointing and pretty damned scary.
I have to now take some time to calculate how much of a beating I can take until I go unconscious and figure out whether or not the guy punching me really means it when he says I'm gonna die tonight. I have a few seconds to do this while he's beating me, so I'm good. Maybe I'll just stay in my house so nobody thinks I'm following them and just attacks me for it without asking first why.
I ask my question again: What if Zimmerman was an undercover cop?
Martin had no concern with who he was attacking. It could have been a mentally damaged person, a cop, someone just innocently looking for an address. It could have been any of us. Get ready to spin the wheel with your freedom, or just lay there and take your beating. Your kids will be fine without you.
Years ago I made friends with these Chinese people who ran a tiny little restaurant. They lived in the back, so far as I could tell.
I'd order hacked chicken for lunch even though it wasn't on the menu. I guess that proved me worthy enough so the lady gave me her secret for cooking rice.
She said to put Hershey's syrup in the water.
I never tried it.
Well, they tried. The prosecutor just didn't line up enough charges to make up a full menu. Only 2 charges! That's modern prosecutorial misconduct!
Naked Bob Dylan Robot says:
Don't Think Twice, it's All Rice.
or
Don't Think Rice, it's Alright.
Naked Bob Dylan Robot Works on Many Levels.
Bagoh, I think when you consider that this was a female jury, it's not scary at all. I found it encouraging. I'm pleasantly surprised that half of them had good sense on the first vote.
When these race hustling assholes like Al (should be in jail) Sharpton open their self-promoting yaps what they are saying is they want all the criminal, and stupid members of their community to come out in the streets and demonstrate and reinforce all the worst stereotypes of those communities, to embarrass and stain the good people who live there or share their racial identity. It's incredibly destructive to those people's future, their respect in the larger community, and the good will so badly needed. If anything destroys the possibility of grace, it's this.
Grace is how the Zimmermans have acted.
Or "You're rice from your side, I'm rice from mine"
"She said to put Hershey's syrup in the water."
They have been laughing about that ever since, imagining you actually doing it.
Meade said...
" stirring up racial divisions so that they can keep people agitated"
Led by comments like that.
One can only imagine what Meade mutters sotto voce about Drudge.
Meade,
America needs to have a national conversation about grace.
I like how you and Ann just put your cognitive dissonance out there for all to see. I'm talking no sense of self-awareness what-so-ever.
It's really a wonder to behold,...
Zeus to Meade: I Wanna Be Your Dog
"She said to put Hershey's syrup in the water."
So that explains why the "fried rice" in most Chinese restaurants really sucks. After having had REAL fried rice in San Francisco and eaten good fried rice at the home of one of my childhood friends (whose family were Chinese Catholics that had fled from Communist China in the late 1940's)......I never order that crap fried rice in a Chinese restaurant.
I think I will post my recipe on my recipe blog in a bit.
Darcy, I'm relived with the verdict, but this was a very easy case.
So easy that the local cops and D.A. didn't even think there should be an arrest. If half the jury sat through that trial and listened to that evidence and still didn't get it, then we are just playing Russian Roulette with people when we charge them. We all know it. We know that the evidence is only part of what happens, and that it's more like a game of chance. The evidence just pushes it a little one way or the other.
In our hearts, we know that even the most obvious case stands a significant chance of destroying innocent people or letting off the guilty.
The judge refused to even give them the information the needed to make a fair decision. She wouldn't let them hear the essential truth of what kind of person Trayvon was and what may have motivated him.
There are just too many factors of luck, and the judge is especially important - a single flawed person. In fact, we are are not a nation of laws, but a nation of judges, and pure luck of the draw on what today's emotional swell is. Truth can't swim against it, it just gets lucky sometimes.
I agree with all that. And yet! They returned a sensible verdict.
Women. Who'da thunk it?? :)
how you treat the weak is your true nature calling
I like my rice California style: Ordered over the phone with a White girl from a restaurant with a Chinese name, cooked by Mexicans, and delivered by a black surfer dude driving a Japanese piece of crap burning Saudi crude.
Martin Yan used to have a cooking show where he showed how to make Chinese food and everything got a huge dose of ketchup.
America needs to have a national conversation about grace.
Nancy.
Good Spuds, Good Meats,
Good God, Let's Eats!
"how you treat the weak is your true nature calling"
Yet, how you treat the strong and violent determines if you will ever see your calling.
Darcy,
I agree with all that. And yet! They returned a sensible verdict.
Women. Who'da thunk it?? :)
During the restraining order portion of my divorce, we got a female American Indian for a judge. By the end of the hearing, she was screaming about injustice and wasting the court's time, as my wife's lawyer was silently carping like a fish, my wife was bawling like a baby, and I was a free man again.
Before I left, the judge AND the court reporter even apologized to me, like they had something to do with it.
It happens.
Bags, I wasn't editorializing on the Zimmerman case, et.al.
Sharpton et al. would be nowhere if it was not for the MSM.
The MSM, reporters and management, are not so much Democrats as "progressives." Most are registered as "Independents," if they register to vote at all. Many think they are above such vulgar matters as elections.
However, the Democratic Party is their only chance at getting "progressive" programs enacted, and so they work at promoting and managing the Democratic Party. And today, the Democratic Party is totally dependent on getting 90-95% of "The Black Vote" to achieve legislative majorities. Hence the relentless pandering and the fear in the still of the night that black people might start getting ideas of their own and "go off the plantation."
"Notice how there are no grace hustlers around?"
No grace hustlers? They're everywhere!.
Crack, I'd like to see that in article or book form.
We need to talk about Nancy - she's outta control!!
Meade said...
America needs to have a national conversation about grace.
Frankly, I'm a little tired of having national discussions on anything anymore. It's a pointless endeavor that leads to no solutions and only a ton of rancor. What this country needs is to begin re-establishing what made it great to begin with. Things like limited government, low taxation, letting the market do the heavy lifting, reinforcement and establishment of property rights, the observance of liberty and privacy, the reduction of government intrusion into our lives, the ability to exercise our second amendment rights as a function of our free choice without government finding new and creative ways to stifle it, prosecutorial overreach. Or the exit of government as indoctrination facilitators into our childrens lives in public schools. How about we have those discussions. Grace is a little low on that list and frankly it's a private issue of religious observance that government should keep out of too.
Let private citizens hash out there issues without government impeding into it, grace will follow once that happens. I'm tired of talking and being lectured to.
We need to talk about Nancy - she's outta control!!
"I shall now aspire to be a grace hustler."
I see a lot of opportunities in graze hustling.
The unbearable lightness of Nancy.
It's graceless for a woman to question the intelligence of the jury as a whole because they were all women.
Michael Haz, rice balls are wonderful.
deborah,
Crack, I'd like to see that in article or book form.
I've considered doing a screenplay. I try not to revisit it too deeply now, for emotional reasons. (After all these years, I've finally got all of my stuff out of storage, but I can't bring myself to open any box marked "photos".) It's all up there, though:
I'll never forget it,....
fionamcgee said...
It's graceless for a woman to question the intelligence of the jury as a whole because they were all women.
How about as a hole?
I'm going to hell.
Let's have a national conversation on gun laws...
Guess what? Florida's SYG law is substantially the same as 33 other states...including California's. How are them apples?
Oh, fuck off, fionamcapple.
I know. But I'm interested in the judge reaction. Sounds counter to the pro-female times.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjJzlIedCuo
fionamcgee said...
It's graceless for a woman to question the intelligence of the jury as a whole because they were all women.
Why that, flona? I'll bet you bitched and moaned about all male juries.
Get a little more balance in your life.
Am I the only one who assumed fionamcgee was making a funny?
You just might be that, Mitchell.
Frankly, I'm a little tired of having national discussions on anything anymore. It's a pointless endeavor that leads to no solutions and only a ton of rancor. What this country needs is to begin re-establishing what made it great to begin with.
Hear, hear!
The concern wasn't about balance, it was about the "nature" of women, the intelligence of women. There will forever be women who curry the favor of men by dissing their own gender. It's something most men find irksome when a man engages in it.
Dorothy Boyd: "You had me at 'a-hole'."
Jerry Maguire, 1996.
@Darcy - Am I sensing a trend in your commenting?
A trend I, for one, applaud.
[clap-clap-clap-clap-clap]
"Bags, I wasn't editorializing on the Zimmerman case, et.al."
How dare you. I'll decide what cryptic references mean around here. Lem gave me that authority in a dream last night. Guess what he was wearing.
LOL
According to Joyce, the distance between the bottom of the stairs in the pub and the pews in the church is measured in units of grace.
Christianity makes some people stoics, others not so much.
We get it, you two. Darcy aka Tari is not a very good Christian.
Stipulated.
Fiona retorts El Pollo Raylan
Compare the grace of Darcy and Freeman Hunt.
Bago, actually, I guess I was not editorializing on Zimmerman killing Martin, but on any 'bad guy' taking advantage of the weak.
(A warbonnet and moccasins?)
It's unfair to say only women are guilty of the brain farts we see from jurors, but if you look back at some of the absolutely stupid things said by some of them after important cases, women are vastly over represented. Maybe they just talk more, but it's often very embarrassing.
The 2012 election was the eyeopener for me. You women have some work to do on living that down. I know it's hard when you're held in binders or buried under the cost of birth control, but man up losers.
Meade said...
Ever read J. Joyce?
I had a prof who loved Joyce at UW. His class met in Bascom Hall which was unusual.
Frankly, I'm a little tired of having national discussions on anything anymore
Especially since the "discussion" is all one sided and generally is an excuse for the progressives to lecture the rest of us on what we should do, eat, think and everything else. Try to "discuss" a different point of view and you are either called names or they just go LA LA LA I can't hear you.
Talk to the hand.
And you know this how, Meade?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QBg3j3GTyI
Chick, in case you didn't know, that's Jack White of the White Stripes singing.
Flona's ssignment: Compare the grace of Darcy and Freeman Hunt.
Darcy is known to speak her mind and Freeman is known to hold her tongue.
Both women are graced, IMHO.
Hey, fionamcgee, you sound real familiar. Didn't you used to run a blog somewhere, back before you got drunk and married a leech?
One is grace-full. One is grace-less.
We are all graced.
"Darcy is known to speak her mind and Freeman is known to hold her tongue.".
And clearly both are well respected here, proving that it's the quality of how they do it that matters. Nobody would consider them to be either meek or shrill. Being smart and good just shows through, and you can't fake it.
@fiona: BTW, what did darcy say that deborah didn't say to Meade at 10:02?
Why are you singling out darcy?
"In the Zimmerman trial, the sound of the last holdout for guilty on the jury changing her mind was another sound of grace."
Or she was just tired and wanted it to end. Having been on a jury, I have little respect for the process, and don't romanticise it, but I don't have a better idea either.
It's a quality woman that disses her own sex to curry favor among men. It's a quality man who disses his own sex to curry favor with women.
No thanks to that quality.
"national discussions" "A conversation on race"
Cant phrases. Who knows what they mean?
How can America have a conversation about grace when practically no one -- including the people here -- do not even know what grace is?
Hint: it is not about being nice or classy
"Having been on a jury, I have little respect for the process"
Me too. I was voted jury foreman because I was the smartest guy in the room.
Scary.
Bid adieu, adieu, adieu,
Bid adieu to girlish days,
Happy Love is come to woo
Thee and woo thy girlish ways—
The zone that doth become thee fair,
The snood upon thy yellow hair,
When thou hast heard his name upon
The bugles of the cherubim
Begin thou softly to unzone
Thy girlish bosom unto him
And softly to undo the snood
That is the sign of maidenhood.
(James Joyce)
fionamcgee said...
It's a quality woman that disses her own sex to curry favor among men.
Do you have any evidence that she's doing it to curry favor, as opposed to saying it because she believes it to be true, at least on average? Or are you just throwing out baseless libel?
If so, that's not very graceful.
"Jesus, I like him very much, but he no help with curve ball."
Race mongers are nothing but junk ball pitchers.
People like to indulge in hyperbolic outrage because they think it somehow supports a vaguely clear principle, even when the case at hand is a pretty poor example.
Now about the Travyon case...
Having been on a jury, I have little respect for the process
Same here. I was on a wrongful death lawsuit of a 17 year old boy. While we did get the final verdict right, the initial vote was 8-4 in the wrong direction. It only took about an hour for two of us to convince the 8 to change their minds. ( All we had to do was go through the jury instructions, comparing the law to the facts of the case. It was obvious. )
The last hold-out had no argument beyond that boy is dead and somebody should have done something.
Crack, writing about an event can be a very cathartic experience, especially if focus on what you learned from the events, and you have learned a huge amount. Focusing on the injustice is hard because in life there's no way to get those years back.
But focusing on how those experiences sharpened and honed, going through them in writing and using them to fight for the better, so that others learn, is very healing.
It takes control of the memories, blunting their power to disrupt during times of frustration.
I always get kicked off of the jury by the prosecution during the vetting process. Maybe it is my disdain for the whole process or the way I roll my eyes when they repeat for the bazillionth time some statement or question that we have already answered.
Either way. I have been lucky enough to never serve on jury. Close but no cigar.
Graceless is opening your kimono and showing the dirt farmer the size of your retirement endowment and telling him to plow right in.
Graceless is shutting down comments in your own burned out drunk-blog and polluting Lem's place with your pickled babblings.
But you two kids have fun, carry on, you deserve each other in your twilight years.
I would in that sweet bosom be
(O sweet it is and fair it is!)
Where no rude wind might visit me.
Because of sad austerities
I would in that sweet bosom be.
I would be ever in that heart
(O soft I knock and soft entreat her!)
Where only peace might be my part.
Austerities were all the sweeter
So I were ever in that heart.
(James Joyce)
Either way. I have been lucky enough to never serve on jury. Close but no cigar.
Here's where we differ, DBQ. I served on a jury in a civil case once -- not a criminal one -- very enlightening.
I'm sure I would be a very good juror as I am a very analytical person and pay close attention to every fact and detail and don't let emotion rule my thoughts.
Whenever we have to say what our occupations are (or were) I see the prosecutors sort of grimmace.
Probably that is why I am kicked off.
@deborah: Great video! I may steal it for a music post if Lem doesn't
Did you notice the level of amplification juxtaposed with the Greenpeace banner (3m:27s) followed by the shots of the power lines leading back to the stage. Irony.
Dust Bunny Queen said...
Either way. I have been lucky enough to never serve on jury. Close but no cigar.
You may have been lucky, but the cause of Justice was likely unlucky.
To anyone considering avoiding jury duty- please don't. If everyone who is capable of getting out of jury duty does so, the people who are left will be badly skewed toward the incompetent.
(DBQ- I'm not implying that you were trying to get out of jury duty. )
Juror #7: You a Yankee fan?
Juror #5: No, Baltimore.
Juror #7: Baltimore? That's like being hit in the head with a crowbar once a day.
(12 Angry Men, 1957)
tits
Dust Bunny Queen said...
I always get kicked off of the jury by the prosecution during the vetting process. Maybe it is my disdain for the whole process or the way I roll my eyes when they repeat for the bazillionth time some statement or question that we have already answered.
I'm sure I would be a very good juror as I am a very analytical person and pay close attention to every fact and detail and don't let emotion rule my thoughts.
That's why you don't get picked.
The lawyers want to be able to sway you emotionally, think John Edwards (I know, icky...).
I worked with a guy whose mother was a practicing psychiatrist. He said all she had to do was mention her occupation and she was excused.
I'm just going to presume that Meade thinks (or his wife convinced him), that James Joyce was a mere drunk.
Duly noted.
I served on a jury. I tried to get out of it, but in the end I found it a great experience. I'd love to participate again, but working in the legal field makes it dicey to get chosen.
They mouth love's language. Yet know not it's caress
Gnash the thirteen teeth
Your lean jaws grin with. Lash
Your burnt nose itch and quailing, nude greed of the flesh.
Love's breath in you is stale, worded or sung,
As sour as cat's breath,
Harsh of tongue.
This grey face that stares
Lies not, stark skin and bone.
Leave greasy lips their kissing. None
Will choose her portal you see to mouth upon.
Dire hunger for lucre holds his hour.
Pluck forth your heart, saltblood, a fruit of tears.
Pluck and devour forth
The grifter triumphant
sings yet again.
(James Joyce)
Oh and, the presumption of Joyce being a mere drunk solves another piece of a related puzzle for me.
I did try to get out of jury duty one time. The judge asked if there were any hardships that would prevent you from being a juror.
This was in January of last year. The court is over 80 miles away, 160 miles round trip or about 3 to 4 hours of driving time total on a good day. We have to go over a mountainous winding road with the highest elevation being over 5000 feet. It was snowing every day and we had already at the pass about 6 feet of snow.
In order to GET to the courthouse by 8am, we have to leave our house by at least 6am...BEFORE the snow plows have had a chance to plow and cinder the road. In the DARK. Over icy, snowpacked dangerous roads. And unless I got a hotel to stay in, which is an expense that I didn't feel that I should have to go to, I would be leaving the Courthouse at 5pm or later and driving another TWO HOURS..... in the dark .....and snow .....and ice. And then do it day after day.
That sounded sort of like a hardship to me....but the judge didn't think so. So we went forward with the vetting of the jury and this time I didn't get picked to be on the panel. Thankfully. I was really about to break the law and refuse to show up for the court if I were picked. I'm not about to put my LIFE in jeopardy for any legal case. I'd rather be in jail for contempt of court than DEAD.
email from my old friend Ron(the commenter):
"a conversation about Grace?
Maybe our nation is divided between Grace Kelly and Grace Slick."
I missed that, chick.
LOL!
*waves at Ron through Meade*
For the record, there have been a couple of mob beatings of white or Hispanic (the Gray Lady must be so proud) since the verdict.
I served on a jury for a murder one case. The perp was found guilty, was sentenced to life without parole and then died in prison less than one year later.
I was surprised to be selected and would serve again if asked.
He may have been a drunk, but I'll always think of Joyce as the wit.
(That was pretty bad.)
DBQ, that's harsh; I got out of jury duty for having a 2 year-old at home.
If you're trying to get through something written by Joyce, it helps if you do it while listening to something by Stockhausen.
The Art of Manliness Blog.
Interesting blog for men and women who like (and love) men.
I like this quote:
There’s nothing wrong with the cultivation of personality, and we’ve offered plenty of advice on it here on the site. It can help you navigate the world, form relationships, and become successful. But personality is absolutely no substitute for character, which should be the foundation of every man’s life.
It was taken from this essay.
Btw, thank you Ignorance is Bliss, Bagoh and El Pollo.
"Nobody reads Joyce and I'm 100% certain your old prof was also a drunk."
People read him - they just don't read all of him. Cf: Ulysses.
I love that blog, Haz.
And Icepick.
Love that chart MH.
But we need more Pluck and less Nerve these days.
Darcy said...
Btw, thank you Ignorance is Bliss, Bagoh and El Pollo.
No problem. Always happy to stick up for someone who is sucking up to me.
*ducks*
fionamcgee said...
It's a quality woman that disses her own sex to curry favor among men. It's a quality man who disses his own sex to curry favor with women.
No thanks to that quality.
It's a quality man or woman who does the right thing in the face of overwhelming opposition when all eyes are on them. Grace however, is doing the right thing when no one is looking.
Hahaha! Would you care for some more curry, Ignorance is Bliss? :P
This is like when a favorite watering hole gets new management. And I don't see any reason to slam the old management [Meadhouse] if all the old commenters find they like it here.
This is excellent. Thirty-seven Conversation Rules For Gentlemen - from 1875.
Rule number 1:
Even if convinced that your opponent is utterly wrong, yield gracefully, decline further discussion, or dexterously turn the conversation, but do not obstinately defend your own opinion until you become angry…Many there are who, giving their opinion, not as an opinion but as a law, will defend their position by such phrases, as: “Well, if I were president, or governor, I would,” — and while by the warmth of their argument they prove that they are utterly unable to govern their own temper, they will endeavor to persuade you that they are perfectly competent to take charge of the government of the nation.
Rule number 7:
In a dispute, if you cannot reconcile the parties, withdraw from them. You will surely make one enemy, perhaps two, by taking either side, in an argument when the speakers have lost their temper.
Rule number 9:
9. A man of real intelligence and cultivated mind is generally modest. He may feel when in everyday society, that in intellectual acquirements he is above those around him; but he will not seek to make his companions feel their inferiority, nor try to display this advantage over them. He will discuss with frank simplicity the topics started by others, and endeavor to avoid starting such as they will not feel inclined to discuss. All that he says will be marked by politeness and deference to the feelings and opinions of others.
Rule number 17:
The wittiest man becomes tedious and ill-bred when he endeavors to engross entirely the attention of the company in which he should take a more modest part.
Rule number 30:
If you find you are becoming angry in a conversation, either turn to another subject or keep silence. You may utter, in the heat of passion, words which you would never use in a calmer moment, and which you would bitterly repent when they were once said.
As always, professional drivers on a closed course, your mileage may vary, and be sure to read the pamphlet that comes with the medicine to become familiar with any possible side effects.
I've never served on a jury. Don't know why. I don't try to avoid it, but San Francisco always way overbooks the pool.
I show up on Monday, don't get picked, and go home. They might call during the week but they never do.
I do truly enjoy the conversations here and elsewhere with gentlemen and gentlewomen who I have come to admire and whose company I relish.
What the media is doing in the wake of the verdict may be worse than what they did before the trial.
By way of example, read, if you like, these two articles on the CNN interview of juror B37.
Yahoo
CNN
The Yahoo article by Eric Pfeiffer omits those parts of the juror's statements which would tend to justify Zimmerman's actions. This includes a deliberate misquote which drops the "heart was in the right place" part of her statement and completely omits the critical point she made that "I think Trayvon got mad and attacked him."
I read the Yahoo article first and thought that the juror's interview looked really bad for Zimmerman. Then I found the CNN article with the full quotes and was amazed at the intentional distortion by Yahoo.
There will be blood and the media will be in large part responsible.
I would suggest some remedial tutoring in Conversation Rules for Gentlemen for Sixty Grit. He appears to be the class dunce.
Haz said:
"I do truly enjoy the conversations here and elsewhere with gentlemen and gentlewomen who I have come to admire and whose company I relish."
Jeez Haz - are you really from Milwaukee? You are starting to sound like you went to Oxford or one of those fancy prep schools. Heh.
I'll betcha Sixty would cop to being cranky (as would I), but dunce? No, ma'am.
"Maybe our nation is divided between Grace Kelly and Grace Slick."
Grace Kelly's been dead for thirty years now, and Grace Slick might as well be dead. What about Grace Jones? Or Brett Butler for that matter, who apparently is homeless and ruined. Wait, that's old news - it's even worse, she's working for Charlie Sheen. That poor woman...
Wow--
Hello AJ.
Is cranky a euphemism for hostility run amok? Is he simply cranky, or is he a crank? Who slings such vituperation to someone they haven't met on a daily basis?
The Yahoo article by Eric Pfeiffer omits those parts of the juror's statements which would tend to justify Zimmerman's actions. This includes a deliberate misquote which drops the "heart was in the right place" part of her statement and completely omits the critical point she made that "I think Trayvon got mad and attacked him."
Sickening.
They really have a "talent" for the edit.
Well, you might ask yourself that question for insight, fionamccrabapple.
:)
What sort of person defends someone like a Sixty Grit?
Hey Madawaskan! Good to see you.
Brett Butler was great as Grace. I wish her well.
Darcy - good to see you.
Do you have a stalker already? Jeez Lem just opened this place a few days ago!
I found those original statements by that juror fascinating, madawaskan. Heartening.
AJ! Hi there. Good to see you too.
n order to GET to the courthouse by 8am, we have to leave our house by at least 6am...BEFORE the snow plows have had a chance to plow and cinder the road. In the DARK. Over icy, snowpacked dangerous roads. And unless I got a hotel to stay in, which is an expense that I didn't feel that I should have to go to, I would be leaving the Courthouse at 5pm or later and driving another TWO HOURS..... in the dark .....and snow .....and ice. And then do it day after day.
That's nuts.
My personal nightmare for many years has been to serve on a jury.
It took a long time for someone to explain to me the "reasonable" part of "reasonable doubt".
I have been told how--"not to get picked"--and I am doing all of it.
What sort of person defends Sixty Grit?
Sort me anyway you'd fancy. I find Mr. Grit mostly charming.
Ever read J. Joyce?
I know. Neither has anyone.
More fatuousness from Meade.
I've read all of Joyce except the Wake. I'm waiting for the Kurzweil brain implants for that.
It's a tossup whether Joyce is worth the time. I had to read four other books to get through Ulysses. But everyone can read "The Dubliners" and find gem-like, influential short stories. The epiphany section two-thirds through "A Portrait of the Artist" is easily accessible and magnificent.
For my money no other writer, except maybe Shakespeare, wrote English as well as Joyce.
"There will be blood and the media will be in large part responsible.".
Isn't that pretty much always the case anymore. If the Earth was about to be destroyed by an asteroid at the end of the week, they would manage to get us all killed before the rock even got here.
AJ Lynch said...
Hey Madawaskan! Good to see you.
July 16, 2013 at 2:14 PM
**********
Hi!
Hey I see you guys--every once and awhile at Ace's place--you , Darcy and Fen even but hardly anyone stays very long.
I guess it's a different environment--but that dude is funny as hell-- Ace--except he has really bad taste in movies--like he made people watch Sharknado.
I rest my case. pfffftttt!
There is some seriously mentally ill fucked up stuff happening lately. Meade and Fionahouse constantly coming to another blog, harassing the commenters here and then blogging about it at their blog.
Look. I get it. You don't like your commenters and you want them all to STFU. It got really ugly and personally, I don't blame you for shutting down the comment section. However, just because YOU can't stand talking to a vacuum and obviously don't have much to say right now, is no reason to come to someone else's blog, muck it up and attack.
Talk about a lack of grace and total lack of self awareness.
Carry on.
"What sort of person defends Sixty Grit?
Sort me anyway you'd fancy. I find Mr. Grit mostly charming.".
Holy Moses! She's like Jesus!
Isn't this all just performance art?
Charming? That says more about you than you realize.
Darcy said...
What sort of person defends Sixty Grit?
Sort me anyway you'd fancy. I find Mr. Grit mostly charming.
July 16, 2013 at 2:20 PM
*****
Seconded.
And, one time Sixty was the only guy who could identify this instrument that I loved the sound of in a piece of music.
I had been trying to figure it out for awhile.
The epiphany section two-thirds through "A Portrait of the Artist" is easily accessible and magnificent.
Yes. I read Portrait within the last few months.
Oh, honey. fionamcsunshine. Judge, judge, judge away. Knock yourself out.
If I'm reading fiona's profile correctly, it was created yesterday. There's no evidence it's Althouse. Could just as well be Mary or some other ill wisher.
Dust Bunny Queen said...
There is some seriously mentally ill fucked up stuff happening lately. Meade and Fionahouse constantly coming to another blog, harassing the commenters here and then blogging about it at their blog.
Look. I get it. You don't like your commenters and you want them all to STFU. It got really ugly and personally, I don't blame you for shutting down the comment section. However, just because YOU can't stand talking to a vacuum and obviously don't have much to say right now, is no reason to come to someone else's blog, muck it up and attack.
Talk about a lack of grace and total lack of self awareness.
Carry on.
**********
Yep, I vacillate between thinking the problem is NPD or Ann is really a wounded person that lashes out.
The current behavior is leaning me towards the less charitable option.
If they are going to be unwilling to give up control, or unable to let go of something they in a sense chose to throw away then that will be pretty telling.
Sixty offered to make a bowl for me out of my deceased 30+ year old pie cherry tree. That is class and grace.
BTW: we had to cut it down it was 100% dead. Sigh....no more cherries
Sad
Hail Darcy full of grace
The Grit is with thee
Blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, sixty Grit.
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