Are you talking about the upper register bassoon used in Le Sacre du printemps by the great composer Stravinsky?
That one I know, because the upper register sounds so different than the lower, but it is still not quite the same as an English horn, and clearly not an oboe.
The fact that someone can show up here using the name fionamcgee, pretend not to be who she really is, while referring to herself in the third person, asking questions to which she knows the answer (Meade borrows dogs as he is too stupid to actually own one) can really put one off of commenting in such dingy places.
We left the stump and major branches off of it in hopes that it might spring back to life. No luck :-( So....I guess we will take the rest of it out next spring. I can hardly bear to look at it.
Enlarge the photos in my link. The cherries were so beautiful and bountiful. We did plant three new black tartan cherry trees a couple of years ago and they are doing nicely. Maybe we will have some cherries in the future.
Trooper York said... “Anyone who deprived her of something she wanted deserved what he got.” ― (Jim Thompson, The Grifters)
July 16, 2013 at 2:36 PM
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Okay--I'm going to say this and be off because I am actually a really shy person but--
Trooper-- a lot of us know you are a great guy, that your religion is extremely important to you, and no one can take that away from you.
Also once a read a piece of yours over at the Trooper York blog about how much it meant to you--to go to Sunday service- and I was almost inspired to back to Church after decades.
Hang in there Troop.
A lot of us know--you are a really great guy.
And--I am off because you know I hate all this icky nice stuff.
I'd rather verbally smack Ritmo around, or something.
DBQ - if you are able to salvage a crotch of it box it up and ship it over here - no matter the condition I can make something that will keep the memory of that tree alive in your house.
Okay, here's something a friend from high school sent for my son:
"Fill a 3x3 grid with the digits 1-9 without repetition. Call the "balance" of a grid the smallest sum of the digits in one of the four 2x2 sub-grids. What's the largest balance possible?"
Trish: You know the part in scary movies when somebody does something really stupid, and everybody hates them for it? This is it. (Jeepers Creepers, 2001)
I must say I would like to see a better tone of conversation on this blog than I've seen from some people, including Sixty Grit. And fionamcgee.
Sixty has certainly been cruder, but fiona has put more effort into pushing people's buttons.
I have to agree with Bushman, who said I don't really recognize any of the old Althouse spice in Fiona's comments. To me, they leave more of a Inga-ish after taste..
When you hear stuff coming out of "fiona" like, "I would suggest some remedial tutoring in Conversation Rules for Gentlemen for Sixty Grit. He appears to be the class dunce.", yeah, that's the She Devil of the SS.
Let's do a Zimmerman on her (kind of like a Headley Lamarr Number Six) and shun her until she screams to go back to Troop's.
"1+2+3+4 = 10 and you're out!" is an old Three Stooges line where Moe is the ref and he is counting out Curly who just got ko'd in the classic episode called K.O. Strativarius and Larry played the violin.
I have no interest in internet diagnosis of either mental illness or sock-puppetry.
And on a side-note, I would very much like to see you shun people you disapprove of, edutcher. Quite honestly your feeding of trolls killed plenty of threads.
The hippos foul the pools quickly enough without you feeding them laxatives.
And trial or no trial, it won't be murder because it will be self-defense against your homophobic homo-hating ass-crack-fearing homocidal intent to injure, cause great bodily harm, or murder another fellow homo sapien.
I know I'm just an old curmudgeon yelling "get off my lawn", but haven't the country and the legal constraints of the Constitution taken a total concrete headbanging under this President?
A sane United States would be following Alan Dershowitz advice and investigating the prosecution of Zimmerman for violations of his civil rights for a whole series of things all intended to railroad an innocent man for political gain. He was attacked by his government acting as an arm of a lynch mob.
But you did finish it? Wow! I stand corrected. One person, named Freeman Hunt, has read Joyce.
If Meade were paying attention, he'd have noticed that Deborah and I posted on reading Joyce near the 200 comment mark. I have several friends who have read Joyce too.
I'd agree there has been too much genuflecting to Joyce, not to mention obscurantism, but the backlash is no better.
The Teaching Company has an excellent lecture on reading Joyce from David Thorburn in the course "Masterworks of 20th Century Literature."
Portrait is not that short -- my copy is 250 pages long and the print is smallish, though the margins generous.
You can put 1-9 in any order in the 3x3. There are 4 2x2 subgrids. The balance is the lowest subgrid sum you get of the four. What is the highest balance you can get?
Instead of talking about interesting things, let's talk about someone we've never seen before who's making people mad on purpose. Behold the suckitude of that suggestion.
Are you talking about the upper register bassoon used in Le Sacre du printemps by the great composer Stravinsky?
That one I know, because the upper register sounds so different than the lower, but it is still not quite the same as an English horn, and clearly not an oboe.
You can put 1-9 in any order in the 3x3. There are 4 2x2 subgrids. The balance is the lowest subgrid sum you get of the four. What is the highest balance you can get?
If the lowest sub grid is 1,2,3,4 = 10
and the center square contains the 4 the highest number of the lowest sub grid then the grid containing 4,7,8,9 = 28 would be the highest?
but fiona has put more effort into pushing people's buttons
As if that would take any effort at all for those particular people who have their buttons go off with the gentlest of breezes.
Nobody likes being baited.
Trayvon Martin's buttons were easily pushed too. His ass-cracker homo-hater buttons.
Didn't take much to push those buttons.
Actually, Saint Skittles, as some are calling him, had a little help, it seems.
Skittles is drug slang for a concoction "which has certain behavioral properties that can enhance confrontation and heighten paranoid behavior".
So, he may have been on something. We're not and, no, just because some of us don't agree with the radical homosexual agenda, does not mean we hate anybody.
The whole "H8ers gonna h8" thing seems to be in practice far more on the lefthand side of the aisle.
You could call the balance anything: troll, fury, cafe, Joyce, whatever. I'm sure my friend called it "balance" because that's a cute variable name for the problem given that balance is the key to it.
Subgrid = 2x2 grid within the 3x3 grid Balance = lowest subgrid sum you get when you arrange your 3x3 grid, you are trying to make this value as high as possible
Seems to me you put the highest numbers where they get added the most times, so 9 in the middle and then 8,7,6,5 around that and the little guys in the corners so = 98?
I do this thing where I sort of alternate which one of those kids I hate the most. Right now, it's the dancing Asian. –(Coach Sue Sylvester, Glee 2012)
Is cranky a euphemism for hostility run amok? Is he simply cranky, or is he a crank? Who slings such vituperation to someone they haven't met on a daily basis?
Rule number 30:
If you find you are becoming angry in a conversation, either turn to another subject or keep silence.
Yeah, it's 24. Put the nine in the center - the center will be in all 2x2 squares, and this will drive up the value of them all.
Put the next four largest values on edges, but not the corners - this way the 8, 7, 6 and 5 drive up the value of two separate 2x2 grids.
Then put the next largest value (4) into the smallest valued square you've got, and then add the other three accordingly.
No matter how you arrange the values above, if you follow those general rules you will get an infimum of 24.
Also interestingly, if you follow the above directions, you should get values of 24, 24, 25 and 25 for the four subgrids, unless I'm more muddle headed than usual.
Bagoh, when you have average middle class white suburban Americans who think the Double Jeopardy principle is a flaw and not a feature why wouldn't 'BamHo try to get away with ignoring the Constitution.
Here is real live Facebook encounter two days ago on a friend’s page with a friend of hers I don’t know:
Suburban Lady- It's easy to deny that race plays a factor when you're a privileged race. I think what happened is tragic, and I'm pretty sure Zimmerman is an idiot. However, there just wasn't enough evidence to convict him. Which is also sad. Our justice system is flawed, especially because he cannot be tried again, but I am glad that it protects the innocent in some respects.
Me-That is called "Double Jeopardy" and is a treasured right so that the government can't keep trying you till they get the outcome they want. That is a feature not a flaw.
SL-It is a flawed feature. If evidence comes up that supports the prosecution's case, and he is guilty, it is flawed to let him walk free. Obviously it's great for the innocent, but the system is undeniably flawed.
Me-I know prosecutors, defense attorneys and cops. I know them well. We talk candidly. Prosecutors have told me without reserve that the criminal justice system isn't fair. Why? Because the state has virtually unlimited resources and power. Our founders knew this. The principle of double jeopardy is bed rock. You will never find anybody on either side of the table to tell you otherwise (and Nancy Grace doesn't count). If you think GZ got away with a crime so be it. I know OJ did and so did the jurors that let him go. I would rather have that then letting the State get another bite of the apple, as they say in legal circles.
I would bet that all of J's friends here are very nice people (I may be the exception). I also would bet that most of her friends have never encountered the criminal justice system personally. As a pastor I have many, many times had to involve myself in the system at all stages. I have logged tons of time in court rooms, county prisons, state prisons and federal prisons. Until you recognize the power the government has over you when they want you, till you experience that you remain naive. But as my District Attorney friend said, "If we want to get you we probably will."
SL-The government does have power, and I recognize that. My point was that the system is flawed, and I cannot support it 100%, I can only say I probably support it more than the lack of it.
Whew!! we made it. I really wasn't looking forward to finding Freeman for the answer. I think it is too far away and I have to go to the grocery store later today.
Alternately, I think my different problem of arranging the highest sum of the subgroups works at 98. I like that it's also a little spatial being a guy and all.
It's probably less confusing if you use a term that has no other math-related meanings in the problem, rahter than "balance":
Fill a 3x3 grid with the digits 1-9 without repetition. Call the 'SPLOOGE' of a grid the smallest sum of the digits in one of the four 2x2 sub-grids. What's the largest 'SPLOOGE' possible?
Really the same arrangement, but just different question. It's funny how many ways you could interpret the words of the problem. Now lets do it in Esperanto.
Freeman - Does your given require that the boxes are filled with all the numbers from one through nine, or merely that numbers from one through nine are used?
Under the latter scenario, a given number could be uses twice, thereby creating the balance you seek.
The exercise is about math, but also about reading the instructions, and carefully and logically using them.
I feel much smarter now after reading the last 80 or so comments in this thread. Much better than the yelling threads. Am not. You are too. I'm rubber you're glue. Nya nya nya
Even if we weren't on topic. At least we can all agree on something.....Math is HARD!!
Isn't it interesting how Freeman's pondering problem seems to have jacked the thread about Zimmerman and Martin and yet, let us ponder that perhaps it really hasn't.
Perhaps it is a subtle lesson about the Zimmerman/Martin, um, can I use travesty? Tragedy?
Look at the discourse and see how everyone can interpret the wording differently. Look at the different answers. Look at others pitching in to explain. Look how civil the discourse is about this problem of groups and subgroups and balance.
Doesn't look possible for a 1 or a 9 in the center: each leaves the other sides too imbalanced. But don't take my word for it, Hazy Dave already caught me in on goof. (I caught another before posting it.)
See? Three hundred twenty eight comments and no one's manhood, womanhood or beliefs have been disparaged or ridiculed, except for two commenters who purposely sought to do that.
You think this stuff is hard, you should try category theory and meta-mathematics. That stuff is so hard there is a subset of mathematicians and physicists who deny that 'infinity' is even a worthwhile concept. (Those guys are all metaphorical ... crazy ass crackas.)
You think this stuff is hard, you should try category theory and meta-mathematics.
No thanks. I stopped my math education at Trig. Not relevant to my life, I thought. I never thought I would need algebra either until I became a financial advisor sat for the CFP test and realized that algebra is required. Damn! My teachers were right.
Yeah, I don't think 5 can be in the middle either. Once Icepick pointed out the 5 odd numbers, I put them in the grid symmetrically and found an arrangement for the partial products to be 4 different numbers, so that the 4 different even numbers could produce one common result. I think the even numbers cannot be in the top, bottom, left and right edges; they have to be in the corners. If they're in the edges, I can't get four different partial sums on the sub-grids.
I wonder how many possible grids there are, omitting reflections and rotations?
I have no interest in internet diagnosis of either mental illness or sock-puppetry.
And on a side-note, I would very much like to see you shun people you disapprove of, edutcher. Quite honestly your feeding of trolls killed plenty of threads.
If you mean challenging the lies they tried to present as truth, I guess I'm guilty - that's one of their games - throw out as many lies as possible in the hope some will go unchallenged and be accepted as true, but I walked away from many a screaming match with Ritmo et al.
You may be confusing me with Jay and a couple of others like Methedras and Sixty.
I'm usually not much for "Guess the Sockpuppet!" but looking through recent topics I'm halfway there to Fiona as Althouse trying not to sound too much like Althouse.
Fiona has Althouse's concerns, she's more articulate than Inga, she knows the Althouse blog well, and Meade is tag-teaming with Fiona.
If so, I can't say Althouse hasn't earned some turnabout-as-fair-play, but it still seems weird and smaller than a player like Althouse should play.
Also, fionamcgee is not some odd thrown-together name, but the name of a happenin' young actress -- the sort of pseudonym I can imagine Althouse choosing.
I'm usually not much for "Guess the Sockpuppet!" but looking through recent topics I'm halfway there to Fiona as Althouse trying not to sound too much like Althouse.
Fiona has Althouse's concerns, she's more articulate than Inga, she knows the Althouse blog well, and Meade is tag-teaming with Fiona.
If so, I can't say Althouse hasn't earned some turnabout-as-fair-play, but it still seems weird and smaller than a player like Althouse should play.
Also, fionamcgee is not some odd thrown-together name, but the name of a happenin' young actress -- the sort of pseudonym I can imagine Althouse choosing.
Just read through this thread and agree that fiona comes across as quite Althousian. Also agree it lowers her. Let her come in her own name.
"Don't punch random strangers even if you think you're disrespected, no matter what your culture says."
That's exactly what happened here. Martin felt he was being dissed by Zimmerman's following him. In Martin's circles when someone dissses you, you pop him in the head.
The big to-do where a commenter revealed the poster known as Inga's last name. She became very upset and insisted Althouse delete her last name. My question is who was that guy? Where did he go?
Any more questions about my staker Methadras? I have quite a bit more info I can share. He and his buddy Aridog posted the name and a picture of my daughter on a thread in Althouse. I can do the same if he wishes.
Of course stalking is wrong and a terrible invasion of privacy. But one can expect that turnabout is fair play, Methadras told me that any info that was out on the Internet was fair game, eh Meth?
If you mean challenging the lies they tried to present as truth, I guess I'm guilty - that's one of their games - throw out as many lies as possible in the hope some will go unchallenged and be accepted as true...
I think you're wrong about their game. They're not trying to get anything accepted. They are just trying to pollute the pool and kill the thread. You are playing their game.
Making your way in the world today takes everything you've got. Taking a break from all your worries, sure would help a lot.
Wouldn't you like to get away?
Sometimes you want to go
Where everybody knows your name, and they're always glad you came. You wanna be where you can see, our troubles are all the same You wanna be where everybody knows Your name.
Obviously you need to use your own judgement. But please consider their desire to kill the conversation, and try to not aid them in that effort. I know that is not your aim.
Trooper York was a public figure, with a TV show. My daughter is a private person who did not even comment on Althouse. To post the name and picture of a commenter's child in order to silence amd harrass is beyond diispicable.
The big to-do where a commenter revealed the poster known as Inga's last name. She became very upset and insisted Althouse delete her last name. My question is who was that guy? Where did he go?
When, exactly did this happen? I hit Althouse regularly for the last couple of years and never saw it.
Did you?
Or did "someone" bring it up?
Ignorance is Bliss said...
If you mean challenging the lies they tried to present as truth, I guess I'm guilty - that's one of their games - throw out as many lies as possible in the hope some will go unchallenged and be accepted as true...
I think you're wrong about their game. They're not trying to get anything accepted. They are just trying to pollute the pool and kill the thread. You are playing their game.
No, I think you're ignoring theirs.
Only 10% of people on the Net comment, so, for every one of us, there are 9 who read.
If we let the lies stand without rebuttal, then more and more people believe the lies.
Why do you think there was such a full court press after the "election" to spread the "Resistance Is Futile" meme?
I know what you mean about pursuing some of them because, when cornered with a lie, they'd try to change the subject and I would press, and, yes, I'd stay with it until somebody like Ritmo directed his attention to Jay or Methedras. As I see it, you don't let a lie stand.
I've told Lem I'd try to play it as cool as I can, but I think the rules will be different here.
Most people didn't know who Trooper York was. I am a public figure and I have nothing to hide. If you get in the arena and mix it up you have to expect to take a few shots.
Of course if your relative constantly refer to you on-line then you also become a quasi public figure. Because of the actions of others who put you out there. That is where the fault lies. If they were not mentioned then no one would know they existed.
When Garage mentioned his child some unscrupulous people used that against him. That is wrong as is bringing in other people who are not posting on the site or are not part of the battle. But when you reveal details than you will get shots. It is wrong. But you are stupid to have put them out there in the first place to validate yourself.
Trooper York, you just revealed your base nature. My daughter's real name and picture are not fair game. What is wrong with you?
Be careful about saying what you reap you sow, because your behavior on your own TV show is what got it cancelled. Your personality and jealousy got your wife's show dropped like a rock.
Be careful about saying what you reap you sow, because your behavior on your own TV show is what got it cancelled. Your personality and jealousy got your wife's show dropped like a rock.
By speaking about my children, as many commenters do, does not mean some stalker loon is correct in posting a name and picture of another commenter's child. There is something very very wrong with your reasoning.
So we really can't open up to each other about ourselves because people can't be trusted to control themselves and respect each other just a little even when they strongly disagree?
That's what we call suckage, as in suck the life out of something that could be more than high school.
It's really too bad, because it will ruin things by preventing us from exploring the best parts of human interaction - meeting each other in safety. It's like having a party where everyone keeps one hand on their pistol. Danger without any payoff. That blows.
And Michael, if you are speaking of an incident with Theo's son, I wasn't even commenting on Althouse at that time. I didn't start commenting on Althouse until 2011. Yet Palladian is considered a star by many Althouse righties.
I am sorry I engaged you. You are a very troubled woman. Please do not refer to me again and I will not refer to you. I find you despicable and am not interested in a tit for tat with you.
Please do not address me in the future and we can coexist here at Lem's place without further conflict. You have many other people to fight with so we do not need to interact in the future.
Bagoh, that is why you need to take care with the friend you make in Trooper York and those who frequent his blog. There is something very wrong over there. What I would consider decent people follow his lead, I don't understand it. He is not the good guy he wants to be seen as.
Inga wrote: Michael, I do not know Ann Althouse and Meade. I commented on her blog. That does not make her my friend.
I never understood that. I went out of my way to convince Meade and Althouse to meet me, and I live far away and only visit Madison every other year. Aren't you the least bit curious to meet them? After spending so much time?
Trooper, you do not get to drop bombs on me and then expect no retaliation, it is you that is troubled, not I. I live a very happy life, that I at times share with online folks, same as other commenters do. No one deserves to have their privacy invaded.
Please Inga, don't restart that whole thing over here. If people are assholes and you already spent a thousand comments at Althouse bitching about it, it's not gonna change with them over here. Lem only bought 400 comments per day, so if we go over that, we have to quit. Don't waste them on old business.
I hope we can avoid the kind of meanness of exposing people and their families here. I'm absolutely positive that Lem would not appreciate it. It's only meant to hurt a complete stranger because you disagree with them in a discussion on some blog in cyberspace. You really want to hurt a stranger and their children over that?
Just because mistakes have been made does not require us to repeat them, or dwell on them. Lets just agree to avoid that. It doesn't make anybody here any smarter, wiser, or better off. It probably scares off a lot of very fine people from ever commenting, and they may be great people. We should try not to make the place hostile. It's not even our place.
I asked what happened to the commenter known as Inga's last-name revealer because he disappeared soon after. It struck me that she might of outed her own last name to appear legit.
As I've wondered before, why has the commenter known as Inga used pictures of two of her daughters as avatars?
Really Inga? Your "friends" let Palladian attack a commenter's adolescent son and did nothing. Your friends aren't anyone's friends. We're you angry about that?
I know I shouldn't wade into this mire, but what the fuck are you talking about, Haz?
Are you talking about pseudonymous commenter "Theo Boehm" and his constant, weird bragging/lamentation about his "best private schools and then Haa-vaad, O woe!" son?
Inga - so what? If a bad thing happened because of what was done on the blog she publishes the go after HER. Hold responsible the parties who did it. Stop complaining about everyone else.
I think that nobody wants to revisit the old fights here. We can find new things to fight about.
Stop already with picking at the scabs.
I think Lem would not want that so I want to be the first to offer to end it. I will never refer to Inga or her post again if she can do the same. Let us not repeat the same mistakes.
In my opinion, this thread proves why the Althouse/commenter separation must proceed to a divorce. There is no goodwill towards ever meeting face-to-face. Once upon a time, there were fantasies about on-the-road meet ups and the like, but somewhere along the line it just died.
I never mentioned anyone's adolescent child's name or even suggested personal identifying details of said child, beyond general things that the pseudonymous commenter himself wrote about his offspring.
Interesting how Trooper York is trying to make himself look good now, after his offensive play. That is the kind of man that Althouse, Meade and now myself know to be a low human being without scruples or morals, yet claims to be a good Catholic. Hypocrite.
Would anyone like to see my junk? I have my social security number tattooed on it in 72 point Franklin Gothic Heavy. But you have to promise to not show it to anyone else. It's... you know, private.
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That one I know, because the upper register sounds so different than the lower, but it is still not quite the same as an English horn, and clearly not an oboe.
The fact that someone can show up here using the name fionamcgee, pretend not to be who she really is, while referring to herself in the third person, asking questions to which she knows the answer (Meade borrows dogs as he is too stupid to actually own one) can really put one off of commenting in such dingy places.
Mitchell the Bat said...
Isn't this all just performance art?
July 16, 2013 at 2:26 PM
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LOL! Oh ya I remember that!
A lot of us have known each other for a very long time--there is nothing you can do to make someone that we have known for years look bad.
Reputations--they've been earned.
“Anyone who deprived her of something she wanted deserved what he got.”
― (Jim Thompson, The Grifters)
DBQ - I am sorry to hear about your tree. I had a feeling that was the case. Sad to lose an old friend, that's for sure.
Has it been taken down yet?
Sixty Grit said...
Are you talking about the upper register bassoon used in Le Sacre du printemps by the great composer Stravinsky?
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Dang it I wish it was that classy-- I think it was a current piece that the hipsters were listening to that I got obsessed over.
I'm really dunkirk but I think it was something really easy for you to identify-like the sitar?
I'm kind of weird--but you probably know that--I get obsessed with a piece of music, play it over and over again and then quit.
About the only thing I make a habit of is--
Gotan Project.
@ Sixty.
We left the stump and major branches off of it in hopes that it might spring back to life. No luck :-( So....I guess we will take the rest of it out next spring. I can hardly bear to look at it.
Enlarge the photos in my link. The cherries were so beautiful and bountiful. We did plant three new black tartan cherry trees a couple of years ago and they are doing nicely. Maybe we will have some cherries in the future.
I don't really recognize any of the old Althouse spice in Fiona's comments. To me, they leave more of a Inga-ish after taste.
Hold the phone. I'm slow on the uptake at times:
"America needs to have a national conversation about grace" said Meade
Creating their own punching bag. Accidentally or with malice aforethought?
Trooper York said...
“Anyone who deprived her of something she wanted deserved what he got.”
― (Jim Thompson, The Grifters)
July 16, 2013 at 2:36 PM
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Okay--I'm going to say this and be off because I am actually a really shy person but--
Trooper-- a lot of us know you are a great guy, that your religion is extremely important to you, and no one can take that away from you.
Also once a read a piece of yours over at the Trooper York blog about how much it meant to you--to go to Sunday service- and I was almost inspired to back to Church after decades.
Hang in there Troop.
A lot of us know--you are a really great guy.
And--I am off because you know I hate all this icky nice stuff.
I'd rather verbally smack Ritmo around, or something.
black tartan cherry
Tartarian I mean.
Creating their own punching bag. Accidentally or with malice aforethought?
Malice and mental illness.
The Grifters is one dark movie.
And thus it appears that perhaps Lem's attempt to provide a lunch table not just for the cool kids but even for the outcasts may be doomed.
I certainly hope not. Buck up, kiddies. I await the cool head of Freeman to interject something to ponder. Or Synova. Where's Synova?
DBQ - if you are able to salvage a crotch of it box it up and ship it over here - no matter the condition I can make something that will keep the memory of that tree alive in your house.
We can tawk...
Thank you Sixty. Very generous offer :-) We won't be taking the rest of it out until next spring.
Once I was in a carving shop and there were no tools with which to strike the gouges.
We decided it was an absence of mallets.
The epiphany section two-thirds through "A Portrait of the Artist" is easily accessible and magnificent.
I loved that book until he got to college. Then I found he and his friends so insufferable that I could barely stand to finish the book.
Something to ponder? Pressure, pressure.
Okay, here's something a friend from high school sent for my son:
"Fill a 3x3 grid with the digits 1-9 without repetition. Call the "balance" of a grid the smallest sum of the digits in one of the four 2x2 sub-grids. What's the largest balance possible?"
Enjoy!
But you did finish it? Wow! I stand corrected. One person, named Freeman Hunt, has read Joyce.
A tiny bit of Joyce. That book is very short.
Oh, sixty.
10?
Freeman Hunt said...
What's the largest balance possible?"
I got 24.
fionamcgee said...
I would suggest some remedial tutoring in Conversation Rules for Gentlemen for Sixty Grit. He appears to be the class dunce.
I must say I would like to see a better tone of conversation on this blog than I've seen from some people, including Sixty Grit. And fionamcgee.
Sixty has certainly been cruder, but fiona has put more effort into pushing people's buttons.
And we just got a nice, new hippo pool.
Rachel Jeantel begins a joke: "A nigga, a cracka, a chinka, and a spicca walk into a bar."
Trish: You know the part in scary movies when somebody does something really stupid, and everybody hates them for it? This is it.
(Jeepers Creepers, 2001)
Freeman - I got 30, but I'm not a math person.
Seemed too simple to just throw 6, 7, 8 and 9 together in their own little corner of the world. What am I missing?
Karen, you have to take the lowest subgrid.
Ignorance is Bliss said...
I must say I would like to see a better tone of conversation on this blog than I've seen from some people, including Sixty Grit. And fionamcgee.
Sixty has certainly been cruder, but fiona has put more effort into pushing people's buttons.
I have to agree with Bushman, who said I don't really recognize any of the old Althouse spice in Fiona's comments. To me, they leave more of a Inga-ish after taste..
When you hear stuff coming out of "fiona" like, "I would suggest some remedial tutoring in Conversation Rules for Gentlemen for Sixty Grit. He appears to be the class dunce.", yeah, that's the She Devil of the SS.
Let's do a Zimmerman on her (kind of like a Headley Lamarr Number Six) and shun her until she screams to go back to Troop's.
"What's the largest balance possible?"
6+7+8+9 = 30
You didn't say the numbers had to be in any order so I put those together.
The Cat Lady: That's not my scarecrow
(Jeepers Creepers, 2001)
I apparently also need to learn to comprehend the written word, lol.
"1+2+3+4 = 10 and you're out!" is an old Three Stooges line where Moe is the ref and he is counting out Curly who just got ko'd in the classic episode called K.O. Strativarius and Larry played the violin.
If Meade and fiona are completely ignored, it will be interesting to see if Althouse will link to Lem.
Yea, I don't get it either. There can only be one sum for any 4 squares, so what is the distinction between subgroup sum and "balance".
Do you mean total of all subgroup balances? I don't have a calculator, but my 8-ball says "try again".
edutcher said...
yeah, that's the She Devil of the SS.
I have no interest in internet diagnosis of either mental illness or sock-puppetry.
And on a side-note, I would very much like to see you shun people you disapprove of, edutcher. Quite honestly your feeding of trolls killed plenty of threads.
The hippos foul the pools quickly enough without you feeding them laxatives.
( Yes, I'm mixing trolls and hippos. )
Yeah. Sorry, you guys and gals, for cluttering up the thread with replies to nonsense.
I'll do better.
"( Yes, I'm mixing trolls and hippos. )"
Trippos
Darry: She did lose her head that night, Trish, and you wanna know what he did for her? He sewed it back on.
(Jeepers Creepers, 2001)
That's what *I* did, too. Perhaps we were reading more in to the problem then was there?
And trial or no trial, it won't be murder because it will be self-defense against your homophobic homo-hating ass-crack-fearing homocidal intent to injure, cause great bodily harm, or murder another fellow homo sapien.
And Icepick.
WOOOORRRRDDDDD.
I know I'm just an old curmudgeon yelling "get off my lawn", but haven't the country and the legal constraints of the Constitution taken a total concrete headbanging under this President?
A sane United States would be following Alan Dershowitz advice and investigating the prosecution of Zimmerman for violations of his civil rights for a whole series of things all intended to railroad an innocent man for political gain. He was attacked by his government acting as an arm of a lynch mob.
But you did finish it? Wow! I stand corrected. One person, named Freeman Hunt, has read Joyce.
If Meade were paying attention, he'd have noticed that Deborah and I posted on reading Joyce near the 200 comment mark. I have several friends who have read Joyce too.
I'd agree there has been too much genuflecting to Joyce, not to mention obscurantism, but the backlash is no better.
The Teaching Company has an excellent lecture on reading Joyce from David Thorburn in the course "Masterworks of 20th Century Literature."
Portrait is not that short -- my copy is 250 pages long and the print is smallish, though the margins generous.
You can put 1-9 in any order in the 3x3. There are 4 2x2 subgrids. The balance is the lowest subgrid sum you get of the four. What is the highest balance you can get?
Holy Moses! She's like Jesus!
LOL!
Instead of talking about interesting things, let's talk about someone we've never seen before who's making people mad on purpose. Behold the suckitude of that suggestion.
Are you talking about the upper register bassoon used in Le Sacre du printemps by the great composer Stravinsky?
That one I know, because the upper register sounds so different than the lower, but it is still not quite the same as an English horn, and clearly not an oboe.
Holy crap, it's Theo Boehm's Evil Twin!
"Behold the suckitude of that suggestion.".
a suckgestion.
You can put 1-9 in any order in the 3x3. There are 4 2x2 subgrids. The balance is the lowest subgrid sum you get of the four. What is the highest balance you can get?
If the lowest sub grid is 1,2,3,4 = 10
and the center square contains the 4 the highest number of the lowest sub grid then the grid containing 4,7,8,9 = 28 would be the highest?
98?
1 2 5
3 4 7
6 8 9
Is that it?
"God authorized me to turn you into a tall, athletic, wealthy, handsome guy, but then you'd also have to be a faggot," I'd take the deal."
Ok, but it's not really a deal unless you give up something.
No, the balance is the lowest. So the key is how to arrange 1-9 to maximize your lowest subgrid sum (what we've labelled the "balance.")
I'm going with my old fall back answer I use when confused: let's just try 69.
Meade said...
but fiona has put more effort into pushing people's buttons
As if that would take any effort at all for those particular people who have their buttons go off with the gentlest of breezes.
Nobody likes being baited.
Trayvon Martin's buttons were easily pushed too. His ass-cracker homo-hater buttons.
Didn't take much to push those buttons.
Actually, Saint Skittles, as some are calling him, had a little help, it seems.
Skittles is drug slang for a concoction "which has certain behavioral properties that can enhance confrontation and heighten paranoid behavior".
So, he may have been on something. We're not and, no, just because some of us don't agree with the radical homosexual agenda, does not mean we hate anybody.
The whole "H8ers gonna h8" thing seems to be in practice far more on the lefthand side of the aisle.
So you are saying the highest sum of the four balances?
62?
You could call the balance anything: troll, fury, cafe, Joyce, whatever. I'm sure my friend called it "balance" because that's a cute variable name for the problem given that balance is the key to it.
Could you call it "threadjack"? Would that work?
Subgrid = 2x2 grid within the 3x3 grid
Balance = lowest subgrid sum you get when you arrange your 3x3 grid, you are trying to make this value as high as possible
So the key is how to arrange 1-9 to maximize your lowest subgrid sum
Do you mean minimize aka get the lowest possible amount in one subgrid?
Threadjack? Oh right, this is supposed to be about Zimmerman and Martin. I forgot. How to tie it back...
Protest: More math, less fighting! More math, less fighting!
bagoh20 said...
...let's just try 69.
Not unless you shave that mustache.
No, I mean maximize. Get the highest possible amount in the lowest subgrid.
Oh. Well that does make it harder. It did seem pretty easy the way I understood it.
LOL
Heh.
You definitely have to put the 9 in the middle.
I'm not talking about 69 now.
Consteetuution? We don't need no steenkin" Consteetuution!
96?
Now I get the problem and 98 was right.
How are you getting numbers in the nineties? You must be adding up all the subgrids. That would be a different problem but fun too.
Seems to me you put the highest numbers where they get added the most times, so 9 in the middle and then 8,7,6,5 around that and the little guys in the corners so = 98?
I would suggest some remedial tutoring in Conversation Rules for Gentlemen for Sixty Grit. He appears to be the class dunce.
Rule number 30, re-stated:
If you find you are becoming angry in a conversation, either turn to another subject or keep silence.
If you don't tell us the answer before we hit 300 comments, you realize that we are all going to have to come and find you!!
:-)
I do this thing where I sort of alternate which one of those kids I hate the most. Right now, it's the dancing Asian.
–(Coach Sue Sylvester, Glee 2012)
Oh, then I guess I still don't get the problem. My brain is sweating, so I think I'm losing weight.
Jeez Haz - are you really from Milwaukee? You are starting to sound like you went to Oxford or one of those fancy prep schools. Heh
Thanks!
Is cranky a euphemism for hostility run amok? Is he simply cranky, or is he a crank? Who slings such vituperation to someone they haven't met on a daily basis?
Rule number 30:
If you find you are becoming angry in a conversation, either turn to another subject or keep silence.
Okay, Trooper. That was funny.
"Balance = lowest subgrid sum you get when you arrange your 3x3 grid, you are trying to make this value as high as possible".
Ritmo found us.
I'd say Ignorance got it right; with subgrids of 24, 24, 25, and 25, the smallest of these is 24...
Ignorance is bliss gave an answer. I'm not sitting here with a certified solution. I just have the fun problem to share.
Final answer: 62?
Yeah, it's 24. Put the nine in the center - the center will be in all 2x2 squares, and this will drive up the value of them all.
Put the next four largest values on edges, but not the corners - this way the 8, 7, 6 and 5 drive up the value of two separate 2x2 grids.
Then put the next largest value (4) into the smallest valued square you've got, and then add the other three accordingly.
No matter how you arrange the values above, if you follow those general rules you will get an infimum of 24.
Also interestingly, if you follow the above directions, you should get values of 24, 24, 25 and 25 for the four subgrids, unless I'm more muddle headed than usual.
So if Dave and Ignorance are right, I think that means Bagoh's solution to he and deborah's version of the problem is right.
@Icepick - who you callin' "twin"?
Bagoh, when you have average middle class white suburban Americans who think the Double Jeopardy principle is a flaw and not a feature why wouldn't 'BamHo try to get away with ignoring the Constitution.
Here is real live Facebook encounter two days ago on a friend’s page with a friend of hers I don’t know:
Suburban Lady- It's easy to deny that race plays a factor when you're a privileged race. I think what happened is tragic, and I'm pretty sure Zimmerman is an idiot. However, there just wasn't enough evidence to convict him. Which is also sad. Our justice system is flawed, especially because he cannot be tried again, but I am glad that it protects the innocent in some respects.
Me-That is called "Double Jeopardy" and is a treasured right so that the government can't keep trying you till they get the outcome they want. That is a feature not a flaw.
SL-It is a flawed feature. If evidence comes up that supports the prosecution's case, and he is guilty, it is flawed to let him walk free. Obviously it's great for the innocent, but the system is undeniably flawed.
Me-I know prosecutors, defense attorneys and cops. I know them well. We talk candidly. Prosecutors have told me without reserve that the criminal justice system isn't fair. Why? Because the state has virtually unlimited resources and power. Our founders knew this. The principle of double jeopardy is bed rock. You will never find anybody on either side of the table to tell you otherwise (and Nancy Grace doesn't count). If you think GZ got away with a crime so be it. I know OJ did and so did the jurors that let him go. I would rather have that then letting the State get another bite of the apple, as they say in legal circles.
I would bet that all of J's friends here are very nice people (I may be the exception). I also would bet that most of her friends have never encountered the criminal justice system personally. As a pastor I have many, many times had to involve myself in the system at all stages. I have logged tons of time in court rooms, county prisons, state prisons and federal prisons. Until you recognize the power the government has over you when they want you, till you experience that you remain naive. But as my District Attorney friend said, "If we want to get you we probably will."
SL-The government does have power, and I recognize that. My point was that the system is flawed, and I cannot support it 100%, I can only say I probably support it more than the lack of it.
Oh OK, then "balance" does make sense. The subgroups with the most balanced sums?
Twenty-four was what I got when I did it too. Always bugged me that there wasn't a perfect balance though.
Whew!! we made it. I really wasn't looking forward to finding Freeman for the answer. I think it is too far away and I have to go to the grocery store later today.
"You must be adding up all the subgrids."
Yes, I'm having trouble understanding the question, I guess.
the lowest subgrid would be 1,2,3,4=10, wouldn't it?
DBQ, haha!
The balance is the smallest value of the four 2x2 grids in any given 3x3 grid.
So if you use
4 | 3 | 9
2 | 1 | 6
5 | 7 | 8
for example, you four 2x2 grids have values of
10 19
15 22
so the balance = 10.
But
1 | 8 | 2
6 | 9 | 5
3 | 7 | 4
would have values of
24 24
25 25
for a balance of 24.
So again, the question is, what is the largest possible balance?
Alternately, I think my different problem of arranging the highest sum of the subgroups works at 98. I like that it's also a little spatial being a guy and all.
Deborah, you're trying to maximize that value. Get the highest you possibly can for the lowest of the four. Yes, it sounds very strange at first.
It's probably less confusing if you use a term that has no other math-related meanings in the problem, rahter than "balance":
Fill a 3x3 grid with the digits 1-9 without repetition. Call the 'SPLOOGE' of a grid the smallest sum of the digits in one of the four 2x2 sub-grids. What's the largest 'SPLOOGE' possible?
Icepick. Ok. I got 24 26 26 22, but then added them up.
Really the same arrangement, but just different question. It's funny how many ways you could interpret the words of the problem. Now lets do it in Esperanto.
Paul Lynde keeps blocking my other numbers.
I had:
172
596
483
" What's the largest 'SPLOOGE' possible?"
The Japanese are into that.
@Icepick - who you callin' "twin"?
If you're Theo, someONE not me should eat their hat.
Freeman, there can't be a perfect balance because there is an odd number of odd numbers: 1, 3, 5, 7, 9.
In this context,
GRACE = CIVILITY BULLSHIT
Not that grace or civility are bad things, per se, but using them as a weapon to get others to shut the fuck up is both graceless and uncivil.
Yes, but it bothers me. Somebody make a problem with a perfect balance.
Why can't you just say sum?
I'm pretty sure that can't happen, Freeman, unless you duplicate numbers.
I think my friend named the variable because he thought highest possible lowest sum was a mouthful/mindful.
In this context,
GRACE = CIVILITY BULLSHIT
Not that grace or civility are bad things, per se, but using them as a weapon to get others to shut the fuck up is both graceless and uncivil.
Maybe someone thinks they're a zen master demonstrating what it feels like to have pain in the ass commenters bucking their authoritay.
"There can't be a perfect balance because there is an odd number of odd numbers: 1, 3, 5, 7, 9."
6 9 2
1 3 5
8 7 4
19, 19, 19, 19.
(Thanks for pointing out the odd number of odd numbers!)
We should have Moscow Puzzles threads.
Hazy Dave, that's funny. Once I saw your solution it was obvious!
So much for all the math I learned. Once you forget it, it's the same as never having learned it, LOL!
Now see here. This is what I like about you commenters. At what other blog would you get a conversation about a math problem like this?
Freeman - Does your given require that the boxes are filled with all the numbers from one through nine, or merely that numbers from one through nine are used?
Under the latter scenario, a given number could be uses twice, thereby creating the balance you seek.
The exercise is about math, but also about reading the instructions, and carefully and logically using them.
I want one where the answer to the problem is obtainable only in a perfect balance.
I feel much smarter now after reading the last 80 or so comments in this thread. Much better than the yelling threads. Am not. You are too. I'm rubber you're glue. Nya nya nya
Even if we weren't on topic. At least we can all agree on something.....Math is HARD!!
:-)
Ooops...too late to the solution, I see.
Or
236
975
418
I don't see one for a nine in the center.
caplight45: The horror.
Thanks for fighting the good fight.
Isn't it interesting how Freeman's pondering problem seems to have jacked the thread about Zimmerman and Martin and yet, let us ponder that perhaps it really hasn't.
Perhaps it is a subtle lesson about the Zimmerman/Martin, um, can I use travesty? Tragedy?
Look at the discourse and see how everyone can interpret the wording differently. Look at the different answers. Look at others pitching in to explain. Look how civil the discourse is about this problem of groups and subgroups and balance.
Or perhaps not.
Doesn't look possible for a 1 or a 9 in the center: each leaves the other sides too imbalanced. But don't take my word for it, Hazy Dave already caught me in on goof. (I caught another before posting it.)
See? Three hundred twenty eight comments and no one's manhood, womanhood or beliefs have been disparaged or ridiculed, except for two commenters who purposely sought to do that.
Math is HARD!!
Okay, Barbie. ;)
You think this stuff is hard, you should try category theory and meta-mathematics. That stuff is so hard there is a subset of mathematicians and physicists who deny that 'infinity' is even a worthwhile concept. (Those guys are all metaphorical ... crazy ass crackas.)
You think this stuff is hard, you should try category theory and meta-mathematics.
No thanks. I stopped my math education at Trig. Not relevant to my life, I thought. I never thought I would need algebra either until I became a financial advisor sat for the CFP test and realized that algebra is required. Damn! My teachers were right.
:-)
Yeah, I don't think 5 can be in the middle either. Once Icepick pointed out the 5 odd numbers, I put them in the grid symmetrically and found an arrangement for the partial products to be 4 different numbers, so that the 4 different even numbers could produce one common result. I think the even numbers cannot be in the top, bottom, left and right edges; they have to be in the corners. If they're in the edges, I can't get four different partial sums on the sub-grids.
I wonder how many possible grids there are, omitting reflections and rotations?
;)
"Infinity TIMES infinity."
(Mimes head exploding.)
Sooner or later, math problems dry up the conversation, of course.
And, there are other beneficial effects, too.
Hey, I just noticed I'm in the Eastern time zone all of a sudden.
Freeman Hunt said...
"I want one where the answer to the problem is obtainable only in a perfect balance."
And you said you are not a pantheist. That sounds kind of yin and yang to me.
Ignorance is Bliss said...
yeah, that's the She Devil of the SS.
I have no interest in internet diagnosis of either mental illness or sock-puppetry.
And on a side-note, I would very much like to see you shun people you disapprove of, edutcher. Quite honestly your feeding of trolls killed plenty of threads.
If you mean challenging the lies they tried to present as truth, I guess I'm guilty - that's one of their games - throw out as many lies as possible in the hope some will go unchallenged and be accepted as true, but I walked away from many a screaming match with Ritmo et al.
You may be confusing me with Jay and a couple of others like Methedras and Sixty.
I'm usually not much for "Guess the Sockpuppet!" but looking through recent topics I'm halfway there to Fiona as Althouse trying not to sound too much like Althouse.
Fiona has Althouse's concerns, she's more articulate than Inga, she knows the Althouse blog well, and Meade is tag-teaming with Fiona.
If so, I can't say Althouse hasn't earned some turnabout-as-fair-play, but it still seems weird and smaller than a player like Althouse should play.
Also, fionamcgee is not some odd thrown-together name, but the name of a happenin' young actress -- the sort of pseudonym I can imagine Althouse choosing.
I think this "math problem" only involved arithmetic, and the real problem was English.
Pretty sure it is 23.
Oh, or was it 24 as Icepick had above? I didn't think there could be a tie for the lowest value.
A Suffusion of Yellow
I'm usually not much for "Guess the Sockpuppet!" but looking through recent topics I'm halfway there to Fiona as Althouse trying not to sound too much like Althouse.
Fiona has Althouse's concerns, she's more articulate than Inga, she knows the Althouse blog well, and Meade is tag-teaming with Fiona.
If so, I can't say Althouse hasn't earned some turnabout-as-fair-play, but it still seems weird and smaller than a player like Althouse should play.
Also, fionamcgee is not some odd thrown-together name, but the name of a happenin' young actress -- the sort of pseudonym I can imagine Althouse choosing.
Just read through this thread and agree that fiona comes across as quite Althousian. Also agree it lowers her. Let her come in her own name.
"Don't punch random strangers even if you think you're disrespected, no matter what your culture says."
That's exactly what happened here. Martin felt he was being dissed by Zimmerman's following him. In Martin's circles when someone dissses you, you pop him in the head.
fionamcgee said...
Hail Darcy full of grace
The Grit is with thee
Blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, sixty Grit.
Inga or Althouse? Looks like the vapid clawing and backstabbing is beginning in earnest.
Hazy Dave said...
"Infinity TIMES infinity."
(Mimes head exploding.)
I like exponential infinities: Infinity ^ Infinity
Who was the commenter who revealed Inga's last name?
Which identity are we talking?
She's also Mitochondri-Allie and Apfelkuchen and Allie Oop.
The big to-do where a commenter revealed the poster known as Inga's last name. She became very upset and insisted Althouse delete her last name. My question is who was that guy? Where did he go?
"Who was the commenter who revealed Inga's last name?"
July 16, 2013 at 8:47 PM
It was Methadras, aka Ayman ibrahim.
Ayman N. Ibrahim of Spring Valley, CA.
Any more questions about my staker Methadras? I have quite a bit more info I can share. He and his buddy Aridog posted the name and a picture of my daughter on a thread in Althouse. I can do the same if he wishes.
Of course stalking is wrong and a terrible invasion of privacy. But one can expect that turnabout is fair play, Methadras told me that any info that was out on the Internet was fair game, eh Meth?
edutcher said...
If you mean challenging the lies they tried to present as truth, I guess I'm guilty - that's one of their games - throw out as many lies as possible in the hope some will go unchallenged and be accepted as true...
I think you're wrong about their game. They're not trying to get anything accepted. They are just trying to pollute the pool and kill the thread. You are playing their game.
Making your way in the world today takes everything you've got.
Taking a break from all your worries, sure would help a lot.
Wouldn't you like to get away?
Sometimes you want to go
Where everybody knows your name,
and they're always glad you came.
You wanna be where you can see,
our troubles are all the same
You wanna be where everybody knows
Your name.
For the full experience of our little pub's theme.
http://youtu.be/xvRGh2NEjSU
Obviously you need to use your own judgement. But please consider their desire to kill the conversation, and try to not aid them in that effort. I know that is not your aim.
Spike Lee just tweeted Methadras' parents' wrong street address. It's already trending.
That looked like a set and spike, deborah and Inga.
Just sayin'
Meade linked to a site that had my real name, photo and business attached.
So I guess they don't think is such a big deal.
Not that I am complaining. I expect nothing less of them.
Just to show you the hypocrisy of this argument.
Trooper York was a public figure, with a TV show. My daughter is a private person who did not even comment on Althouse. To post the name and picture of a commenter's child in order to silence amd harrass is beyond diispicable.
If that is not clearly wrong, then you need to examine your moral compass.
deborah said...
The big to-do where a commenter revealed the poster known as Inga's last name. She became very upset and insisted Althouse delete her last name. My question is who was that guy? Where did he go?
When, exactly did this happen? I hit Althouse regularly for the last couple of years and never saw it.
Did you?
Or did "someone" bring it up?
Ignorance is Bliss said...
If you mean challenging the lies they tried to present as truth, I guess I'm guilty - that's one of their games - throw out as many lies as possible in the hope some will go unchallenged and be accepted as true...
I think you're wrong about their game. They're not trying to get anything accepted. They are just trying to pollute the pool and kill the thread. You are playing their game.
No, I think you're ignoring theirs.
Only 10% of people on the Net comment, so, for every one of us, there are 9 who read.
If we let the lies stand without rebuttal, then more and more people believe the lies.
Why do you think there was such a full court press after the "election" to spread the "Resistance Is Futile" meme?
I know what you mean about pursuing some of them because, when cornered with a lie, they'd try to change the subject and I would press, and, yes, I'd stay with it until somebody like Ritmo directed his attention to Jay or Methedras. As I see it, you don't let a lie stand.
I've told Lem I'd try to play it as cool as I can, but I think the rules will be different here.
On this, we'll have to disagree.
Most people didn't know who Trooper York was. I am a public figure and I have nothing to hide. If you get in the arena and mix it up you have to expect to take a few shots.
Of course if your relative constantly refer to you on-line then you also become a quasi public figure. Because of the actions of others who put you out there. That is where the fault lies. If they were not mentioned then no one would know they existed.
You reap what you sow.
When Garage mentioned his child some unscrupulous people used that against him. That is wrong as is bringing in other people who are not posting on the site or are not part of the battle. But when you reveal details than you will get shots. It is wrong. But you are stupid to have put them out there in the first place to validate yourself.
That is my last word on the subject and I am very sorry I brought it up.
I would hope we would now drop it and lend some civility to Lem's place if we can.
Trooper York, you just revealed your base nature. My daughter's real name and picture are not fair game. What is wrong with you?
Be careful about saying what you reap you sow, because your behavior on your own TV show is what got it cancelled. Your personality and jealousy got your wife's show dropped like a rock.
Inga's broken resolve towards Ed>chirbit
Be careful about saying what you reap you sow, because your behavior on your own TV show is what got it cancelled. Your personality and jealousy got your wife's show dropped like a rock.
WTF, Arnold?
By speaking about my children, as many commenters do, does not mean some stalker loon is correct in posting a name and picture of another commenter's child. There is something very very wrong with your reasoning.
My friends? Which one's would that be? Ritmo? He s friend to Trooper York, not me.
Inga said...
My friends? Which one's would that be? Ritmo? He s friend to Trooper York, not me.
There's an interesting dynamic there but I doubt that's holy true. Ritmo has proven himself to be intelligent, but look where that got Obama.
So we really can't open up to each other about ourselves because people can't be trusted to control themselves and respect each other just a little even when they strongly disagree?
That's what we call suckage, as in suck the life out of something that could be more than high school.
It's really too bad, because it will ruin things by preventing us from exploring the best parts of human interaction - meeting each other in safety. It's like having a party where everyone keeps one hand on their pistol. Danger without any payoff. That blows.
And Michael, if you are speaking of an incident with Theo's son, I wasn't even commenting on Althouse at that time. I didn't start commenting on Althouse until 2011. Yet Palladian is considered a star by many Althouse righties.
I am sorry I engaged you. You are a very troubled woman. Please do not refer to me again and I will not refer to you. I find you despicable and am not interested in a tit for tat with you.
Please do not address me in the future and we can coexist here at Lem's place without further conflict. You have many other people to fight with so we do not need to interact in the future.
Your friend Ann and her husband. The event you complain of happened on HER blog, no one else's.
Get a restraining order against whomever, and keep your private life private.
Palladian a star by "righties"? Are you fucking crazy?? He's an anti-Semite leftist. P
Bagoh, that is why you need to take care with the friend you make in Trooper York and those who frequent his blog. There is something very wrong over there. What I would consider decent people follow his lead, I don't understand it. He is not the good guy he wants to be seen as.
Michael, I do not know Ann Althouse and Meade. I commented on her blog. That does not make her my friend.
Inga wrote: Michael, I do not know Ann Althouse and Meade. I commented on her blog. That does not make her my friend.
I never understood that. I went out of my way to convince Meade and Althouse to meet me, and I live far away and only visit Madison every other year. Aren't you the least bit curious to meet them? After spending so much time?
And I do not consider them friends.
Trooper, you do not get to drop bombs on me and then expect no retaliation, it is you that is troubled, not I. I live a very happy life, that I at times share with online folks, same as other commenters do. No one deserves to have their privacy invaded.
Please Inga, don't restart that whole thing over here. If people are assholes and you already spent a thousand comments at Althouse bitching about it, it's not gonna change with them over here. Lem only bought 400 comments per day, so if we go over that, we have to quit. Don't waste them on old business.
I hope we can avoid the kind of meanness of exposing people and their families here. I'm absolutely positive that Lem would not appreciate it. It's only meant to hurt a complete stranger because you disagree with them in a discussion on some blog in cyberspace. You really want to hurt a stranger and their children over that?
Just because mistakes have been made does not require us to repeat them, or dwell on them. Lets just agree to avoid that. It doesn't make anybody here any smarter, wiser, or better off. It probably scares off a lot of very fine people from ever commenting, and they may be great people. We should try not to make the place hostile. It's not even our place.
I asked what happened to the commenter known as Inga's last-name revealer because he disappeared soon after. It struck me that she might of outed her own last name to appear legit.
As I've wondered before, why has the commenter known as Inga used pictures of two of her daughters as avatars?
Really Inga? Your "friends" let Palladian attack a commenter's adolescent son and did nothing. Your friends aren't anyone's friends. We're you angry about that?
I know I shouldn't wade into this mire, but what the fuck are you talking about, Haz?
Are you talking about pseudonymous commenter "Theo Boehm" and his constant, weird bragging/lamentation about his "best private schools and then Haa-vaad, O woe!" son?
Inga - so what? If a bad thing happened because of what was done on the blog she publishes the go after HER. Hold responsible the parties who did it. Stop complaining about everyone else.
I think that nobody wants to revisit the old fights here. We can find new things to fight about.
Stop already with picking at the scabs.
I think Lem would not want that so I want to be the first to offer to end it. I will never refer to Inga or her post again if she can do the same. Let us not repeat the same mistakes.
In my opinion, this thread proves why the Althouse/commenter separation must proceed to a divorce. There is no goodwill towards ever meeting face-to-face. Once upon a time, there were fantasies about on-the-road meet ups and the like, but somewhere along the line it just died.
Deborah, I did not ever use a picture of any of my daughters as an avatar, what are you talking about?!
What Bags is saying is very sensible.
Should we accept it we will be better off.
This is your place.
I never mentioned anyone's adolescent child's name or even suggested personal identifying details of said child, beyond general things that the pseudonymous commenter himself wrote about his offspring.
Are you trying to suggest that I did that, Haz?
No Lem it is your place.
Tell us what you think.
Not Meade's place or my place or Inga's place.
You have to make the call my friend.
Stay thirsty.
Interesting how Trooper York is trying to make himself look good now, after his offensive play. That is the kind of man that Althouse, Meade and now myself know to be a low human being without scruples or morals, yet claims to be a good Catholic. Hypocrite.
One avatar was of a young woman in navy khakis, the other a blond woman (by a statue?)
Lem I leave it to you to decide.
I am more than willing to drop this unpleasness, but I will NOT be anyone's victim, nor let my children be victimized.
Would anyone like to see my junk? I have my social security number tattooed on it in 72 point Franklin Gothic Heavy. But you have to promise to not show it to anyone else. It's... you know, private.
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