Is this your first exposure to the Myers Briggs, deborah?
If so, which of one of the 16 did you happen to land on? If not, when did you first learn about it and what was the outcome at that time?
MrM and I are opposite types. We discovered this seven years into our marriage, and that awareness provided the understanding needed to respect our differences and relate accordingly. Yesterday marked our 36th anniversary, with Myers Briggs being one of the factors that provided the insight needed for us to continue over the years to support and encourage each other in mutual relationship.
Thank you, Sixty. Even I am impressed with that accomplishment! And pleased to have made it this far with love, respect and appreciation shared together, and humor intact.
For additional insight into patterns of behavior and games people play to survive, protect and position themselves, there's this on passive aggressive behavior:
Passive-aggressiveness is a tendency to engage in indirect expression of hostility through acts such as silent treatment, subtle insults, sullen behavior, stubbornness, or a deliberate failure to accomplish required tasks. from https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-superhuman-mind/201611/5-signs-youre-dealing-passive-aggressive-person
That, along with sarcasm, was a pattern learned early in life. I still have a keen nose for it along with a penchant for engaging in that manner when frustrated or confused by incongruent or dishonest communication. Thankfully, my other "bent" as Healer (INFP) and Champion (ENFP) was strong enough to invite and move me into healthier ways of relating and being present with others.
Interestingly enough, E's who've experienced a repressive, abusive or unsafe childhood, in which functioning as an extrovert was not conducive to survival, will often test out as an I, or reveal a score that is close to center on the E or I designation.
I read the description of what a Logistician is and it was scary how accurate that description is. That explains a lot about why my life has gone as it has and why I work as I do. It's as if they know me or something.
As for working out kinks, I appreciate the framing present in the following where the Myers' and Briggs' (first published seventy five years ago in 1943) is described as "a famous tool..still going strong, constantly being improved".
As tools go, I've found it useful; and that matches my experience with tools in general. They're all good for something.
Scary accurate seems to be the general reaction at the site, and I completely agree...insert dystopic-future fantasy here. I came out as INFP-t, the mediator.
Ricpic, I can definitely see this fitting you. I don't recall seeing posts on what your profession(s) was...but that would key into your privacy aspect.
Unlike other poets of his time, BashÅ focused on the everyday moments. He tried to capture the moment a bird took wing or a frog jumped. He never claimed there was a single way to write good haiku. Instead, he argued a good poem came from a flash of insight and jotting it down immediately
As for figuring out what everyone does and whether or not their personality type fits their online persona (I had you figured for a J, deborah!!) Basho was ahead on that score too:
Autumn deepens— The man next door, what does he do for a living?
With this from him for the I's who love sunrise:
Only for morning glories I open my door—During the daytime I keep it tightly barred.
That's Basho, baby. Of course that's a translation from the Japanese, which has the correct 5 - 7 - 5. No one knows why it's the greatest haiku ever. They just know it is. And it is.
Being turbulent, attention both flatters and frightens me. So keep it up. But don't! Do! I dunno.
I've done Myers/Briggs before, but I found these questions easier to answer than previous tests. To me, the whole thing is so complicated that I never remember my previous scores, and like an Adventurer, I tend to play with my answers based on who is testing me and the biases I know about them. I had no reason to bias these answers and I think the described result was fairly accurate. The only disagreement was on career path, and mostly because I think their thought process on possible careers wasn't too broad. To them, an Adventurer is just another name for artist of various types, which just seems wrong. Interesting, I think the Work Habits portion was accurate and helped me in understanding a decision dilemma I've been facing recently.
It took me awhile to find what the -T meant. It means Turbulent vs A for Assertive. Basically it means I tend to be doubtful of myself and thus amenable to my environment and changing. Based on MamaM's discussion, I would think -T may be a suffix for her too. I think -A is right for Sixty and Ed.
Being turbulent, attention both flatters and frightens me. So keep it up. But don't! Do! I dunno.
I understand that all too well. I wasn't about to reveal my -T status, Leland, but ricpic's bashofulness encouraged me along with your perception (P) to say, "tis true".
I am who I am. At this point in my life, I may still be reflective of my thoughts and actions, but mostly I don't care what others have to say about my life and how I live it. That may seem incorrect by Myers/Briggs, but I've had enough Assertive people complain about me being stubborn. They can assert whatever, I'll make a change when I'm good and ready.
I've done Myers/Briggs before, but I found these questions easier to answer than previous tests.
Yes to this as well. Yet my results from this were the same as with previous tests, right down to the almost equal split between I and E.
Like yule logs, I seem to recall previous mention of the Myers Briggs here at Lems by deborah, with this post presenting a new and easy approach to it, which I again found confirming.
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Logistician (ISTJ-a), whatever that means.
Is this your first exposure to the Myers Briggs, deborah?
If so, which of one of the 16 did you happen to land on? If not, when did you first learn about it and what was the outcome at that time?
MrM and I are opposite types. We discovered this seven years into our marriage, and that awareness provided the understanding needed to respect our differences and relate accordingly. Yesterday marked our 36th anniversary, with Myers Briggs being one of the factors that provided the insight needed for us to continue over the years to support and encourage each other in mutual relationship.
Sixty:
"innovative inventors with an unquenchable search for knowledge" Sounds like you:)
The -T and -A designation at the end is new to me.
No mention of my innate modesty and profound modesty? Hmm...
Congrats on 36 years together, MamaM - that is a worthy accomplishment. I hope you have many more years together ahead of you.
Thank you, Sixty. Even I am impressed with that accomplishment! And pleased to have made it this far with love, respect and appreciation shared together, and humor intact.
For additional insight into patterns of behavior and games people play to survive, protect and position themselves, there's this on passive aggressive behavior:
Passive-aggressiveness is a tendency to engage in indirect expression of hostility through acts such as silent treatment, subtle insults, sullen behavior, stubbornness, or a deliberate failure to accomplish required tasks. from https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-superhuman-mind/201611/5-signs-youre-dealing-passive-aggressive-person
That, along with sarcasm, was a pattern learned early in life. I still have a keen nose for it along with a penchant for engaging in that manner when frustrated or confused by incongruent or dishonest communication. Thankfully, my other "bent" as Healer (INFP) and Champion (ENFP) was strong enough to invite and move me into healthier ways of relating and being present with others.
Interestingly enough, E's who've experienced a repressive, abusive or unsafe childhood, in which functioning as an extrovert was not conducive to survival, will often test out as an I, or reveal a score that is close to center on the E or I designation.
They're still working out the kinks, Sixty.
I read the description of what a Logistician is and it was scary how accurate that description is. That explains a lot about why my life has gone as it has and why I work as I do. It's as if they know me or something.
Maybe that's why I never took that test before.
As for working out kinks, I appreciate the framing present in the following where the Myers' and Briggs' (first published seventy five years ago in 1943) is described as "a famous tool..still going strong, constantly being improved".
As tools go, I've found it useful; and that matches my experience with tools in general. They're all good for something.
This time I was ESTJ-A, Executive. Can't figure that one. I think I went with kind rather than right or truthful on a couple of questions this time.
Sixty Grit said...
Logistician (ISTJ-a), whatever that means.
Me, too, the last time I tried this, and I do tend to be more introverted. Go figure.
MamaM said...
The -T and -A designation at the end is new to me.
Turbulent or Aggressive. Aggressive meaning you stick to your guns.
Scary accurate seems to be the general reaction at the site, and I completely agree...insert dystopic-future fantasy here. I came out as INFP-t, the mediator.
I'm a Virtuoso! IST-TP (I think). Pretty Accurate I'm turbulent. That's for sure.
I'm so turbulent that I fouled up the punctuation on the post above. Do you care?
Of course not! I'm an altruist!
Ricpic, I can definitely see this fitting you. I don't recall seeing posts on what your profession(s) was...but that would key into your privacy aspect.
ricpic is Poet-Laureate. He hates to brag about it.
Basho in another life.
Unlike other poets of his time, BashÅ focused on the everyday moments. He tried to capture the moment a bird took wing or a frog jumped. He never claimed there was a single way to write good haiku. Instead, he argued a good poem came from a flash of insight and jotting it down immediately
As for figuring out what everyone does and whether or not their personality type fits their online persona (I had you figured for a J, deborah!!) Basho was ahead on that score too:
Autumn deepens—
The man next door, what
does he do for a living?
With this from him for the I's who love sunrise:
Only for morning glories I open my door—During the daytime I keep it tightly barred.
He's a modest sort.
Greatest haiku of all time:
Old pond
Frog jump in
Water sound
That's Basho, baby. Of course that's a translation from the Japanese, which has the correct 5 - 7 - 5.
No one knows why it's the greatest haiku ever. They just know it is. And it is.
Being turbulent, attention both flatters and frightens me. So keep it up. But don't! Do! I dunno.
Attention poets
Be afraid, very afraid
Basho be bashful.
Adventurer (ISFP -T)
I've done Myers/Briggs before, but I found these questions easier to answer than previous tests. To me, the whole thing is so complicated that I never remember my previous scores, and like an Adventurer, I tend to play with my answers based on who is testing me and the biases I know about them. I had no reason to bias these answers and I think the described result was fairly accurate. The only disagreement was on career path, and mostly because I think their thought process on possible careers wasn't too broad. To them, an Adventurer is just another name for artist of various types, which just seems wrong. Interesting, I think the Work Habits portion was accurate and helped me in understanding a decision dilemma I've been facing recently.
It took me awhile to find what the -T meant. It means Turbulent vs A for Assertive. Basically it means I tend to be doubtful of myself and thus amenable to my environment and changing. Based on MamaM's discussion, I would think -T may be a suffix for her too. I think -A is right for Sixty and Ed.
Being turbulent, attention both flatters and frightens me. So keep it up. But don't! Do! I dunno.
I understand that all too well. I wasn't about to reveal my -T status, Leland, but ricpic's bashofulness encouraged me along with your perception (P) to say, "tis true".
"Being turbulent, attention both flatters and frightens me. So keep it up. But don't! Do! I dunno."
Copy that, copy
Catcher in the wry. Now just
Five more syllables.
I am who I am. At this point in my life, I may still be reflective of my thoughts and actions, but mostly I don't care what others have to say about my life and how I live it. That may seem incorrect by Myers/Briggs, but I've had enough Assertive people complain about me being stubborn. They can assert whatever, I'll make a change when I'm good and ready.
I've done Myers/Briggs before, but I found these questions easier to answer than previous tests.
Yes to this as well. Yet my results from this were the same as with previous tests, right down to the almost equal split between I and E.
Like yule logs, I seem to recall previous mention of the Myers Briggs here at Lems by deborah, with this post presenting a new and easy approach to it, which I again found confirming.
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