by Vox Day October 21, 2016
Pat Buchanan observes that the Establishment is terrified. And rightly so:
What explains the hysteria of the establishment?They should be afraid. From America to New Zealand, they have gradually backed the people of the West into a corner from which there is only one way out. We do not accept their legitimacy. We do not accept their authority, moral or otherwise. They have lost the Mandate of Heaven.
In a word, fear.
The establishment is horrified at the Donald’s defiance because, deep within its soul, it fears that the people for whom Trump speaks no longer accept its political legitimacy or moral authority.
It may rule and run the country, and may rig the system through mass immigration and a mammoth welfare state so that Middle America is never again able to elect one of its own. But that establishment, disconnected from the people it rules, senses, rightly, that it is unloved and even detested.
Having fixed the future, the establishment finds half of the country looking upon it with the same sullen contempt that our Founding Fathers came to look upon the overlords Parliament sent to rule them.
Establishment panic is traceable to another fear: Its ideology, its political religion, is seen by growing millions as a golden calf, a 20th-century god that has failed.
Soon the hour will be upon us. Given the growing fear of the Establishment, they will probably strike first. And, in doing so, they will spark the very revolution that terrifies them.
Donald Trump is not the savior. Donald Trump is not the movement. Donald Trump is the warning. It makes very little difference if he is elected or not. Because, as Mike Cernovich points out in the bestselling MAGA MINDSET, Trump is merely the symbol of the moment. There will be more to come.
(I think this is exactly right. Trump is just another spot on the continuum that started with the Tea Party and continued with Sarah Palin and moved on to Trump. All of them attacked viciously by the Rhinos and the conservative establishment. There is much more to come. More radical. More vociferous. More confrontational and in your face. You can't put the GOP Humpty Dumpty back together again.
I think the idea of the establishment striking first is right on the money. If Hillary wins she will attempt something that could spark it off. An executive order to seize guns the way they did in Australia for example. That is just the spark that could start the fire. The only way to avoid it is if Trump is elected and stops the slide. The establishment should hope that happens. Because they are really not going to like what happens next)
52 comments:
I always thought Trump a symptom of our times rather than a "great man" out of history.
Pat Buchanan is rich and famous.
The picture of Mme DeFarge is a very nice touch.
Evi L. Bloggerlady said...
I always thought Trump a symptom of our times rather than a "great man" out of history.
People said the same of Reagan.
Reagan won.
Also, talk to me after Trump has two successful terms at POTUS.
Unlike the Trump haters who claim we are cult members....ed and I have always acknowledged Trumps many imperfections, faults and liabilities as a candidate. We don't mindlessly worship the way they claim. But we recognize that he is the manifestation of the deplorables anger and resentment and fear. Just as Sarah Palin was in turn. Just as the nice Tea Party types were when they first began this process. They were attacked and vilified by the media, Hollywood and the conservative intelligentsia just like Trump. It is the same old same old.
Trump is just the imperfect vessel. Very very imperfect. A douche bag just as I have said from the beginning. But as bad as he is he is miles better then that corrupt criminal Hillary Clinton.
Trump is just another spot on the continuum that started with the Tea Party and continued with Sarah Palin and moved on to Trump
Exactly. Those who are NeverTrump or those who support Hillary and think that if Trump goes away the problem is solved, they are delusional. It is a continuum and if the elitists think that the trail stops at Trump and they can thwart the deplorable, irremediable, disgruntled voters..... they may be very surprised to see what comes next.
Troop, you say that. Ed does not quite go where you are going--but he is a loyal defender of MAGA which I respect.
I do not want to beat up on anyone. Maybe Trump can still pull this out (I doubt it, but it ain't over till its over). Even if he does win, as you note, he is an imperfect person (who isn't) and the problems facing the country are not going away. His loss will accelerate the decline.
His loss will accelerate the decline.
Or precipitate the recovery of the country from those who are Hell bent on destroying us and begin rebuilding. It will be messy, but the alternative is worse.
"ed and I have always acknowledged Trumps many imperfections, faults and liabilities as a candidate."
Saying it is worthless without accepting what that means and acting accordingly. I see people make terrible mistakes all the time and pay dearly for it, and I'm usually powerless to stop them. Most of the time the outcome is pretty predictable, and the risk not even close to worth it. All the warnings and facts cannot change their mind, because the decision is emotional, usually based in desire for something that overwhelms their reason and their judgement. Buying things they can't afford, using drugs, passing Obamacare, dating the bad boy, cheating on their spouse, etc. Trump was the political version of "hold my beer and watch this."
Hey dude, maybe you'll land safely if you jump off that, but is it worth landing on Hillary for if you miss?
You never give up do you. The lecturing and posing. Choosing Trump was the only alternative. He was the only one willing to speak out against the way things are going and to represent the working class who conservatives laugh at and scorn. You just don't get it. You never will.
If Hillary wins it will be because of all the people who claim she is horrible but still won't vote against her. The Washington Generals are more comfortable with her than Trump. It is that simple.
In your book accepting what it means and acting according would be to not vote for Trump. To vote for one of the usual suspects who would have been slaughtered by the Mainstream Media.
Please.
Evi L. Bloggerlady said...
Maybe Trump can still pull this out (I doubt it, but it ain't over till its over).
Where do you get that? The polls? the Goebbelsian hysteria in the media?
An AZ paper, which endorsed Frumpty, ran a poll in which twice as many Demos as Rs were sampled, and the Beast only came out up 5.
Seems to me that she's doing pretty poorly if that's the best she can do when spotted like that.
bagoh20 said...
Trump was the political version of "hold my beer and watch this."
As opposed to whom?
Jeb!? Little Marco? The One True Ted?
Trump only said what the public has been saying for years. Trump wants to make things better.
The rest of them would just go along. Supporting Trump is refusing to put up with the status quo.
The One True Ted was the political version of "hold my beer and watch this." A big gesture, but no real plan behind it.
They are going to disarm you first before you ever get angry enough to topple them from their thrones. It's already happening in anti-2A attacks in Oregon, Washington, it's coming to Idaho, Texas, Florida, Michigan. There is a concerted effort to get anti-2A legislation passed ASAP. They know that they can't hold out.
There's another reason for Establishment fear. The dead in the water economy. The fact is that as long as growth was in the 3% to 4% range Americans could put up with just about anything. Don't kid yourself that this same keep the gains and socialize the losses crowd hasn't been in control for a long time. It was the same crowd that flatlined the economy under Carter and made Reagan possible. But as long as all boats are rising The People are not terribly concerned with skimming and corruption. The Establishment, both heads, would gladly continue on with the "new normal" if the peasantry would only accept it but the peasantry here hasn't been beaten down to European level docility.
The information was there. The polls were clear, as well as knowing the Dems, the Press and the American people. He was the least likely to beat her and he trailed way back compared to some of them.
It's like betting in roulette. You can have whatever you want if you win the long odds bet, or you can have a sure thing that is admittedly less satisfying, but you can't just ignore the facts as a strategy to beat the odds.
Choosing Trump in the face of the evidence, which showed him as unlikely to win then as it does now, was the closest thing to choosing Hillary directly. I understand the desire, the hope, anger, but we have to live with our choices, even if we can find ourselves a scapegoat.
You guys are angry at me as if I picked him, or I made him such a poor candidate. If it was up to me, we be getting a Rubio, or Christie, Fiorina or Cruz President. That seems to anger you as much as a Hillary one, maybe even more. That's unhinged.
If Trump wins, I'll be here to congratulate you guys, and it will be honest and heartfelt relief, because Hillary winning is the worst possible outcome for this election by a long shot, and that's what has fueled my opinions all along. It will be like having a friend win the lottery after betting his life savings against my advice. I'll still be a winner. Good luck.
IT'S FRIDAYYYYYYYYY!
ed, I love your enthusiasm. Never. Stop. Believing!
ricpic, the Establishment are starting to guess there might be a serious reckoning after this election. Hell, they could have blamed a big collapse on Trump if he won. Kind of tough keep blaming W if the economy implodes under the Red Queen.
Trump was not my first choice (although he was not my last choice--that went to Kasich and Jeb at dead last), but Troop is right, the Dems and their media whores would have been tearing at Rubio, or Cruz, Walker, or anyone else the GOP picked with as much vigor as they are going after Trump.
Would they have fared better? Who knows? Even polls suggesting otherwise don't really count since it depends how the candidates did. Doesn't really matter now, Trump beat them in the primaries. He was and is the nominee.
I will vote for him.
Oh wait, I would put Kasich slightly ahead of Lindsay Graham. I forgot Graham ran too. Graham would still be ahead of Jeb!
bagoh20 said...
The information was there. The polls were clear, as well as knowing the Dems, the Press and the American people. He was the least likely to beat her and he trailed way back compared to some of them.
Dude, the polls were in January. You really buy the same nonsense as the Bluebird of Happiness?
All the polls said Trump didn't have a prayer of getting the nomination, too. I've been saying what Troop just said, louder, maybe, but how many times did I say they'd have the One True Ted whimpering in a corner because they'd been mean to him.
How many times did I mention Little Marco doing a Gang of 8 (now there's someone to throw the thing to Frumpty)?
Right now, we have tons of evidence the polls are rigged. The media is in hysterics and even bag concedes Trump killed the Beast in the last debate (not to mention she almost went on her ass last night at least once (maybe twice) in front of half of Gotham).
You guys give up awfully easy.
ed, Trump did alright on the debate, but he didn't kill it. He also gave some crappy answers and Hillary has training as a liar. The folks he needs to win over (low information voters who are undecided) were likely not persuaded and the Media is absolutely against him. I do not want to say there is no chance, since if Trump gets an overwhelmingly enthusiastic response from his base, he can still win (provided Hillary doesn't)...
But it is not looking good.
But MAGA! Keep Believing!
I keep telling people looking for a knockout in these debates is a fool's errand, you just don't see it.
Ever. It's more about impressions.
And, if Ras is correct, about 12% of the electorate is still undecided. Undecideds usually go to the challenger. Also, it's likely Johnson and Stein will lose some ground on that score.
If we're panicking over polls, undecideds and 3rd party voters breaking for Trump 3 to 2.
I think it's better than that, but what do I know?
I liked Cruz the best because he vexed the establishment the most, as I saw it, shutting down government, for whatever that was worth, and all that was shown in response to that, exposing Obama's straight up malevolency and attendant lies, (your SS checks will stop. Ha!) and media's compliance. I thought Republicans put up a good line of candidates this itme. Actually, I liked them all except for Christie, whose ambition cannot be trusted.
But I cannot vote in primaries. I don't like either party. I don't like any party. I just cannot join a political group. It gets their filthy grimy miserable oily taint all over my pure and simple angelic innocent naïve cherubic self. I cannot even join independents, and I'm appalled with classification, quit classifying me politically, you cunts.
*clang*
Goddamnit, there went my fucking halo.
So it surprised me when conservative voters chose Trump. It really did. What are they crazy? Turns out they are. With anger. Their choice defined the outlines of their anger. It showed me conservative voters across the land are dispensing with their sorry ass non representing party. It made everything much more clear. I don't know anything about the guy. Not the first thing. Except I did see bits of his show, here and there, and thought to myself when I saw them, what an asshole. But all that was fake. Made for t.v. entertainment.
<Anecdote alert >
The guy who I showed making beer owned his own company and since sold it. At that time I didn't see him very much but one time encountered him at a popular club that had karaoke on Fridays. He was down in the dumps. He told me of a problem employee. A new salesman who was not following his instructions. Wasn't dressing properly. Wasn't behaving properly. The owner told he wanted to discuss things with the salesman so he arranged to have an informal discussion outside of work. Over beers as his natural way. The meeting did not go as the owner imagined. Instead the salesman was forceful with his own ideas.
You see what's wrong with this immediately.
But the owner, my friend, did not. Actually, I couldn't believe what I was hearing. Now, this guy is some twenty years my senior and I'm in no position to advise. He never listens to me anyway. But he was really down that day. This sort of thing was covered in management seminars at the FRB, even for positions so low as department supervisor such as I held at that time. I said, "I know you don't like this, but do you mind an observation?" He acceded. I continued. "Your setup on neutral territory was mistaken. It gave the salesmen equal footing, because now you are two chums having a friendly beer together. If you want to impose your will upon him then you must make it clear that you are the boss and he is your employee and his success in your firm depends upon his conforming to your demands. This conversation should have taken place in your office with you behind your desk and he in front of it. Make sure the setup is right. Tell him what you expect, what you will be looking for, how his compliance will be measured, and what the consequences will be if fails. Tell him the subject is not open to discussion. That you're not looking for ideas. Make him sweat. Make him concerned for his job."
Then my friend looked at me strangely. And this never happens, he said, "You know, you surprised me. That's surprisingly insightful." But it was not. It was standard FRB training. Entry level management. The simplest of things.
</Anecdote alert >
And that's what I saw Trump doing on his television show. The big honcho behind a desk putting people's participation on the line. And it meant the world to them when they were in it. Even though it was only a television show and not a real job. Nothing substantial depended upon their success. Still they took it all very seriously. But as viewer at home I did not. I just saw Trump as a hoax. I saw him as silly.
I knew nothing of his past. I heard of him but that's it. I knew of his extraordinary poor taste for garish opulence and gold things. I knew of his narcissism and of his braggadocio and nothing more. I didn't follow his life as displayed on the society pages. I was faintly aware of his serial marriages to model types. And that's it.
But I have seen men achieve their success and observe for myself their values change from grasping to giving. I have seen men reassess their entire lives as they approach the end of it. And now I have seen Trump campaigning I can match his observable behavior with what I've seen elsewhere. I like him. More than I've liked any other politician. Now, I understand completely why conservative voters chose him over all the other great candidates. In the view of masses of conservative voters, these are the tea partiers who did not disappear, these are the original disaffected having grown in fierceness and in size and in force through election cycles, having delivered congress to their representatives, so-called, battered and abused by their own government, grabbing the bull by the horns and forcing their representation against all resistance.
And that's why Trump just flat cracks me up when he speaks. When you look from afar, he's hilarious! Honestly, the guy's got a sense of humor that's unbelievable. Imagine, the awesome power of government at this late stage of corruption against him. The full force of Democrat corruption against him. ALL media against him, and there he is, apart from it, above it, smashing through it, exposing the shit houses for their shit, standing up to all of it and still standing. It's all quite incredible. Trump can come and Trump can go but the power that pushed Trump to center stage is permanent. Republican party as known can never go back to its comfortable ways. All those people who are backing Trump aren't going anywhere. And if Hillary Clinton is elected, if corruption prevails again, then her administration will not be accepted, those people are not going anywhere. They are not changing their minds. They will not comply. They will not behave. Not anymore. Democrat tactics to power are known. Media's complicit support is known, nothing is forgotten, and we observe this conservative force grow. It will be satisfied one way or another. Even to the smashing of government as we've observed Republican party completely splintered and smashed.
Be of good cheer. You will outlive these hideous corruptions of political parties and government departments and media that we all witness and see a new day, a restorative day. Cheer this historic episode.
mmmmm koolaid.
mmmmmmm the usual productive destructive of a pro Hillary troll.
How am I pro-Hillary? Because you nominated a fraud who is in this to hand it to her?
Doesn't work that way.
You and the moron fucktard ed keep on a swillin'!
If Trump wins, like for realz and stuff, I'll buy a large box of rotten tomatoes for you to throw at me. Rabel goes first.
At this point, anti-Trump is pro-Frumpty.
Even the Bernies see it.
Delusions dot com will save us.
The Bluebird of Happiness thinks relying on the polls of February isn't delusional.
Of course, the 800 pound gorilla today has been the Internet shutdowns.
Kind of puts a fine point on all those WikiLeaks.
Remember how I said this election would be event-driven?
"You really buy the same nonsense as the Bluebird of Happiness?"
Yes, I do. April and I have been on the same page all through. That page is that the facts matter, and Trump is who he is, not who you imagine or want him to be. You told us everyday what he would do to Hillary and the Press, and he just didn't deliver that. It was just dreaming on your part that they were gonna lie down and just let him run over them, or that everybody in the country would see his antics through your eyes, or that he could suddenly get articulate and focussed. That was not who the man has ever been, and his new positions have not been his long enough to be able to adequately promote them. He can't explain what he doesn't know.
You believed every poll or crazy story that helped him and discounted the rest. You filtered out important information on purpose.
April, and I always wanted him to beat Hillary, and said so everyday, but that does not require us to fool ourselves or try to fool people in here about what we see, or what is obvious to most people.
What you think is obvious to most people is not what most people might think is obvious.
I just think that Trump represents me and my concerns. That he is the flawed vessel of a movement that will continue. Just the way Sarah Palin was. I don't remember what youse guys had to say about her. Did you trash her the way you do Trump. Wouldn't be surprised. She has her issues and problems too. But the establishment Rhinos and the conservative pundits savaged her. Some of us pushed back. More of us pushed back when they did the same thing against Trump.
It is the same old same old with youse guys.
I would love to see Trump win. I would be genuinely glad to have ed tell me on November 9 "I told you so" you never should have doubted.
MAGA
"At this point, anti-Trump is pro-Frumpty.".
Yes, it's a binary choice on election day, but this is just a discussion that will change zero votes.
If we're talking about facts, how come these "facts" always seem to come from a media you say we can't trust and always covers for the Beast (I know I've asked this question before...)?
bagoh20 said...
You told us everyday what he would do to Hillary and the Press, and he just didn't deliver that.
He's been doing it for months now. He has hit her on every issue in every way possible. He even went after her at the Al Smith dinner to the point he was booed (granted, by NY Demos, but I guess the One True Ted or Little Marco would never have been crass enough to be booed).
It was just dreaming on your part that they were gonna lie down and just let him run over them, or that everybody in the country would see his antics through your eyes, or that he could suddenly get articulate and focussed.
Um, no, that's your thing; the whole "He should be 20 points ahead" is your bit, not ours.
We knew this would be a tough slog and they would pull every dirty trick imaginable, but you thought running somebody who cried the first time he got hit or one who had already tossed in the towel made more sense.
You think if the Beast has raised Marco's foam parties or Cruz' 8 lady friends, they'd still be hanging in?
You want some magic wand that will allow a Whig to run and win against this crowd. It don't exist.
I was a strong supporter of Palin early on. I knew of her and wanted her before McCain even picked her. I was impressed with her story. More recently, I like her less. Like Trump, she can't explain the why of conservatism well - she just says it's best. We need better politicians than that to win over a majority. Most people do not know why they should reject the status quo, and it's easy for elites to convince them they will lose something without it. It takes some chops to turn people around out there, and as we are seeing, there are not enough true believers already convinced to win.
bagoh20 said...
At this point, anti-Trump is pro-Frumpty.
Yes, it's a binary choice on election day, but this is just a discussion that will change zero votes.
I says again and I repeats.
This is as disingenuous as it gets. Ed quoting himself, in bold, lying that Bagoh said it.
We can add bullshit artist and liar to the fraud-supporter's list of accomplishments.
For the millionth time - any of the other candidates would be beating Hillary.
How badly do you have to suck to be losing to her?
@ Bagoh ( an actual quote!)
You guys are angry at me as if I picked him, or I made him such a poor candidate. If it was up to me, we be getting a Rubio, or Christie, Fiorina or Cruz President. That seems to anger you as much as a Hillary one, maybe even more. That's unhinged.
Cruz would have demolished Hillary in the debates. Everyone forgets how he slaughtered the hack moderators in Boulder. I didn't.
Ed would much rather have Hillary than Cruz or Rubio. But that's why his brain is so small. Take pity.
The One True Ted wouldn't have done a thing to the Beast in the debates. He'd be whimpering how it's unfair Cooper and Wallace brought up Sarah Flores and Amanda Carpenter, along with the 5 hookers to be named later.
Or have I forgotten how he "demolished" The Donald to the point he won all those primaries from NY on? He "demolished" him so badly, he had to cheat to try to get the nomination IIRC?
Rather have Hillary than Cruz or Rubio?
She's projecting again.
I wanted somebody who would fight and win, not a sellout to Chuckie Schumer or the Bushes.
And, if my brain is so small, how is it I've driven the Bluebird of Happiness to hissy fits every time she shows up here simply by pointing out all those nasty facts?
She can't win an argument without 4 letter words or demanding she get special treatment.
There is only one thing more consistent then ed mentioning April.....it is April attacking Trump and telling he is just in it to get Hillary elected and that some one else who couldn't win a primary would be beating her going away.
Youse guys are nothing but consistent.
Troop - you figured me out. Really - spot on. & you did it without a false accusation or a strawman.
Appreciated.
April, Trump was not my first choice (and did not get my vote in the primary), but Trump is who we got. You got to go to war with what you got.
There is no point arguing what happened in the past, or what coulda been, it's past. We can only deal with the present and going forward.
Trooper York said...
There is only one thing more consistent then ed mentioning April.....it is April attacking Trump and telling he is just in it to get Hillary elected and that some one else who couldn't win a primary would be beating her going away.
Youse guys are nothing but consistent.
I try not to mention the Bluebird of Happiness unless necessary. Usually I just rebut her inanities, invoking her specter only to distinguish her nonsense from a legitimate comment made by someone else.
As an example, anyone who knows me from TOP knows, when answering another person's comment on a comment of mine, I always put my stuff in bold italics and the person's in italics to distinguish who said what.
She now tries to accuse me of attributing a false comment to bag.
The irony is everyone else sees this but her.
PS she still has yet to learn what a strawman is.
Ed I love you buddy. But you have a style. Just like I have a style. Sometimes we rub people the wrong way. It is just the way it is. Just keep on being you. It is appreciated.
By the way you were right about Trump but you don't know Jack Shit about Westerns. Just sayin'
The Strawman was the first dude that Dorothy Gale tried to have sex with.
That's why she always had a soft spot for homos.
A soft wet spot.
Just sayn'
See that is one of the many reasons I could never run for President. That comment would run 24/7 on CNN.
Megyn Kelly would bleed out of every orifice at the sound of it.
That's why a regular dude can not run for President.
No, I know about Westerns, but I appreciate we all have our blind spots.
PS You know Dorothy too well.
Good one.
Ed - you miserable loser - you posted your own quote and attributed it to Bagoh.
LOOOO- ZER.
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