I'm putting these comments from the other thread here.
chickelit said... People booed Trump for saying that he only spent $3M in NH while Jeb spent $54M. If true, that really should embarrass Jeb. That people booed lends a lot of credibility to Trump's claim that the audience was in fact the "donor class."
February 14, 2016 at 12:15 AM chickelit said... I especially liked the part where Rubio accused Cruz of not knowing Spanish and Cruz responded to him in Spanish. It was hard to hear because of all the excitement.
okay, so I just got back from vacation visiting my 90 year old who has no internet, no TV, hardly any mobile service. I had to sneak away to a starbucks just to get any internet and I tune out for a while and I come back and all hell has broken loose. Scalia is dead, I missed the debate (been traveling all day), apparently The City of San Diego had issued an edict not to use the words "Founding Fathers" anymore because it was gender biased and Mayor Kevin Faulkner put a stop to it, and i'm pissed that my kid backed out on picking me from the airport because she forgot that she had prior commitments, which forced me to take an Uber from Lindbergh Field (San Diego Airport) which actually ended up being the bright spot of the night.
Bad as Trump's remark about Bush II lying about WMD "to get us into Iraq," damaging as that sounds to Republican ears, it's golden to Democrat voters with only two seriously flawed choices.
Observe Trump's numbers hold steady or increase and be confused.
Because analysis is from within Republican p.o.v.
Eh, I'm always wrong. People always vote worse than I imagine and for reasons distressingly dumber than I think. Hillary supporters prove that.
And the smarter ones overanalyze. They dissect too much. Get down the molecules.
Yet one-on-one, as individuals we hit it off very well. Shine, actually. Take lesbians for example. Then as voters for our amassed reasons we'd like to knock each others's heads off. With extreme roughness and no thought at all to cost of destruction, or who will miss you when I kill you with my bare hands. Just the thought of the violence is satisfying. Through politics, I completely understand domestic abuse. I abide there in political thought. That's why it's best avoided. It's the closest I come to accepting felonious behavior as legitimate. And so do Democrats. I'm very Democrat that way. Thus the loathing, self and otherwise.
Drudge poll has Trump 3X ahead even now. Stick THAT is your pipe and smoke it. What does that say? It says, "We really do not like you." Seriously.
It takes a present day Republican for that to be confusing.
"Trump goes into his classic boasting about how he "used the laws of the land" -- which means his casinos went bankrupt. Funny, you don't hear all that many people bragging about their business bankruptcies. Usually, sticking others with your debt is considered shameful."
I like that Trump brought up the Carrier AC video. It highlighted exactly what gives his side strength. The other candidates could not or will not broach it because they are essentially for that sort of globalization. They see it as inevitable. The average American sees the endgame and reacts accordingly.
I didn't watch the debate. I think choosing candidates based on their debate performance makes the election too much like a reality show. Trump is ahead because he has the most dominating presence on the debate stage. Well and good, but that's not the single greatest attribute that a President can have........Trump has a record of doing better on reality shows than in reality itself. He points to past instances where he was right and claims that these are the most salient facts about his personality. Those other occasions where he was dead wrong don't count. The fact is that he was quite wrong about quite a lot of things, and his life is blighted with failures, and not just business failures.
Globalization is not only inevitable, it's already here, has been for awhile, and cannot be stopped. I don't know what alternative system would even be possible for a prosperous nation in modern times. We can play it differently here and there, but there is no getting out of it without the country falling into severe economic depression much worse than the 30's.
Back then our global competitors were economic basket cases, and most had no infrastructure, education, or industry capable of taking our work. Today there are many who would feast on our bones if we tried to not play the game. There would be no way to recover once those jobs and markets simply started going around us. We may have some pockets of disruption for our workers, but we are still much better off playing than not. We no longer have a monopoly on the markets nor on the capacity to supply them. That is all global now. We need the world as much as it needs us. Many absolutely essential materials, and industries are not even done here anymore, and our people don't even know how to do much of it.
Just one tiny example is how my company uses steel. I buy millions of dollars of steel sheet, rod, and tubing every year. If I was forced to buy American, I'd simply be out of business. There is not a single supplier here that could do it, and if they could, it would be so expensive that I would lose all my customers to foreign competitors. The same will happen if we set up trade barriers that would also make that material cost too much. My foreign competitors would love to see us shoot ourselves in the foot like that. You think we have problems now? They're just challenges, and we are mostly winning them, but a trade war is surrender, and devastation. Nobody will do it, including Trump. At least we better hope not.
Globalization is not only inevitable, it's already here, has been for awhile, and cannot be stopped.
Yes, we all know this. It was set in motion a very long time ago and only now accelerating. But that's not going to stop people from resisting it as it hits them personally. Who knows, maybe one day your company will have to either move or close shop. All I'm saying is that this feeds Trump.
What I see as a sham is the notion that globalization doesn't mean an erasure of borders. In fact it does. And, indeed, we have for the most part eliminated borders by either looking the other way when it comes to unskilled labor or by legitimizing the unrestricted importation of high skilled labor -- something I witnessed first hand in chemistry. Government workers are all but exempt from these effects and therefore mostly clueless.
William: "I didn't watch the debate. I think choosing candidates based on their debate performance makes the election too much like a reality show. Trump is ahead because he has the most dominating presence on the debate stage."
I will say this about Trump, he released us from the deadly dull, polite and courteous debates we've seen up until this election year. The whole point of a drawn out campaign is to test the mettle of the candidates. Last night's free-for-all allowed us to see Trump lose his cool and go mean, Rubio and Cruz to have a hot exchange, Bush to go full namby-pamby, Kasich to insult our intelligence with his sickening goody two-shoes act, and Carson to further solidify his nice, but weird vibe. I think he's shooting for VP. to
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Trump went total moonbat. Blaming GWB for 9/11.
Trumpkins are in shock.
Lively debate. Except for the Ben Carson bathroom breaks. When Carson speaks you have a window of opportunity.
Unbelievable that John Dickerson is allowed to moderate. RNC is useless and toothless.
Great debate!
Unbelievable that John Dickerson is allowed to moderate. RNC is useless and toothless.
Interrupted Ted on his first chance to answer a question on Ted's strongest topic. The Supreme Court.
Threw Ted a little off.
Great debate!
I thought so too.
Even my non partisan wife thought the main moderator was lame. I'm amazed that you guys know who he is. I guess you all watch a lot more TV than I do.
Lem said...
Trump went total moonbat. Blaming GWB for 9/11.
Did he actually blame GWB for 9/11 or say that happened on his watch?
I'm putting these comments from the other thread here.
chickelit said...
People booed Trump for saying that he only spent $3M in NH while Jeb spent $54M. If true, that really should embarrass Jeb. That people booed lends a lot of credibility to Trump's claim that the audience was in fact the "donor class."
February 14, 2016 at 12:15 AM
chickelit said...
I especially liked the part where Rubio accused Cruz of not knowing Spanish and Cruz responded to him in Spanish. It was hard to hear because of all the excitement.
February 14, 2016 at 12:22 AM
okay, so I just got back from vacation visiting my 90 year old who has no internet, no TV, hardly any mobile service. I had to sneak away to a starbucks just to get any internet and I tune out for a while and I come back and all hell has broken loose. Scalia is dead, I missed the debate (been traveling all day), apparently The City of San Diego had issued an edict not to use the words "Founding Fathers" anymore because it was gender biased and Mayor Kevin Faulkner put a stop to it, and i'm pissed that my kid backed out on picking me from the airport because she forgot that she had prior commitments, which forced me to take an Uber from Lindbergh Field (San Diego Airport) which actually ended up being the bright spot of the night.
So what I miss?
Sorry, visiting my 90 year old aunt.
I think your all cought up Meth.
Bad as Trump's remark about Bush II lying about WMD "to get us into Iraq," damaging as that sounds to Republican ears, it's golden to Democrat voters with only two seriously flawed choices.
Observe Trump's numbers hold steady or increase and be confused.
Because analysis is from within Republican p.o.v.
Eh, I'm always wrong. People always vote worse than I imagine and for reasons distressingly dumber than I think. Hillary supporters prove that.
And the smarter ones overanalyze. They dissect too much. Get down the molecules.
Yet one-on-one, as individuals we hit it off very well. Shine, actually. Take lesbians for example. Then as voters for our amassed reasons we'd like to knock each others's heads off. With extreme roughness and no thought at all to cost of destruction, or who will miss you when I kill you with my bare hands. Just the thought of the violence is satisfying. Through politics, I completely understand domestic abuse. I abide there in political thought. That's why it's best avoided. It's the closest I come to accepting felonious behavior as legitimate. And so do Democrats. I'm very Democrat that way. Thus the loathing, self and otherwise.
Drudge poll has Trump 3X ahead even now. Stick THAT is your pipe and smoke it. What does that say? It says, "We really do not like you." Seriously.
It takes a present day Republican for that to be confusing.
I agree with Scott Ott
"Trump goes into his classic boasting about how he "used the laws of the land" -- which means his casinos went bankrupt. Funny, you don't hear all that many people bragging about their business bankruptcies. Usually, sticking others with your debt is considered shameful."
Agreed.
I like that Trump brought up the Carrier AC video. It highlighted exactly what gives his side strength. The other candidates could not or will not broach it because they are essentially for that sort of globalization. They see it as inevitable. The average American sees the endgame and reacts accordingly.
I didn't watch the debate. I think choosing candidates based on their debate performance makes the election too much like a reality show. Trump is ahead because he has the most dominating presence on the debate stage. Well and good, but that's not the single greatest attribute that a President can have........Trump has a record of doing better on reality shows than in reality itself. He points to past instances where he was right and claims that these are the most salient facts about his personality. Those other occasions where he was dead wrong don't count. The fact is that he was quite wrong about quite a lot of things, and his life is blighted with failures, and not just business failures.
"Drudge poll has Trump 3X ahead even now. Stick THAT is your pipe and smoke it. What does that say? It says, "We really do not like you." Seriously."
Brilliant.
Globalization is not only inevitable, it's already here, has been for awhile, and cannot be stopped. I don't know what alternative system would even be possible for a prosperous nation in modern times. We can play it differently here and there, but there is no getting out of it without the country falling into severe economic depression much worse than the 30's.
Back then our global competitors were economic basket cases, and most had no infrastructure, education, or industry capable of taking our work. Today there are many who would feast on our bones if we tried to not play the game. There would be no way to recover once those jobs and markets simply started going around us. We may have some pockets of disruption for our workers, but we are still much better off playing than not. We no longer have a monopoly on the markets nor on the capacity to supply them. That is all global now. We need the world as much as it needs us. Many absolutely essential materials, and industries are not even done here anymore, and our people don't even know how to do much of it.
Just one tiny example is how my company uses steel. I buy millions of dollars of steel sheet, rod, and tubing every year. If I was forced to buy American, I'd simply be out of business. There is not a single supplier here that could do it, and if they could, it would be so expensive that I would lose all my customers to foreign competitors. The same will happen if we set up trade barriers that would also make that material cost too much. My foreign competitors would love to see us shoot ourselves in the foot like that. You think we have problems now? They're just challenges, and we are mostly winning them, but a trade war is surrender, and devastation. Nobody will do it, including Trump. At least we better hope not.
Globalization is not only inevitable, it's already here, has been for awhile, and cannot be stopped.
Yes, we all know this. It was set in motion a very long time ago and only now accelerating. But that's not going to stop people from resisting it as it hits them personally. Who knows, maybe one day your company will have to either move or close shop. All I'm saying is that this feeds Trump.
What I see as a sham is the notion that globalization doesn't mean an erasure of borders. In fact it does. And, indeed, we have for the most part eliminated borders by either looking the other way when it comes to unskilled labor or by legitimizing the unrestricted importation of high skilled labor -- something I witnessed first hand in chemistry. Government workers are all but exempt from these effects and therefore mostly clueless.
William:
"I didn't watch the debate. I think choosing candidates based on their debate performance makes the election too much like a reality show. Trump is ahead because he has the most dominating presence on the debate stage."
I will say this about Trump, he released us from the deadly dull, polite and courteous debates we've seen up until this election year. The whole point of a drawn out campaign is to test the mettle of the candidates. Last night's free-for-all allowed us to see Trump lose his cool and go mean, Rubio and Cruz to have a hot exchange, Bush to go full namby-pamby, Kasich to insult our intelligence with his sickening goody two-shoes act, and Carson to further solidify his nice, but weird vibe. I think he's shooting for VP.
to
rcocean -- one can vote multiple times on Drudge. Numbers aren't real.
Trump supporters appear more rabid than others.
Trump really was awful last night. Really.
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