Tuesday, February 16, 2016

Latest PPP poll indicates high support for Trump across wide range of demographics

[Poll taken first two days after NC debate.]

"What's striking about Trump's support is how consistent it is across different demographic groups- he's at 41% with 'somewhat conservative' voters, 40% with younger voters, 38% with men, 36% with self identified Republicans, 35% with Evangelicals, 35% with middle aged voters, 34% with non-Evangelicals, 31% with women, 30% with self identified independents, 30% with 'very conservative' voters, 30% with seniors, and 29% with moderates. He has a lead of some size within every single one of those groups, similar to what he was able to do in New Hampshire.

...Public Policy Polling surveyed 897 likely Republican primary voters and 525 Democratic primary voters on February 14th and 15th.  The margin of error is +/-3.3% for the Republicans and +/-4.3% for the Democrats. 80% of participants, selected through a list based sample, responded via the phone, while 20% of respondents who did not have landlines conducted the survey over the internet through an opt-in internet panel."

Scroll down for full report:

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_SC_21616.pdf

91 comments:

Meade said...

A huge pig in a poke.

Meade said...

"consistent it is across different demographic groups"

Consistently capped at about 35%. Which is somewhat comforting.

ricpic said...

You know why every segment of the population is united behind Trump? Because the Establishment, both wings, is united against every segment of the population and every segment of the population knows it. It's a big FU back and it's way overdue. Trump is inevitable.

bagoh20 said...

Sorry, but this level of support for a rudderless, unprincipled, and embarrassing man for President of the United States does not make me happy. It would have 6 months ago, but I've learned these things about him since then, and he keeps getting worse. It looks like the general election will be a choice between two self-interested and self-obsessed fools.

bagoh20 said...

Has anyone else noticed that in the entire field of candidates on both sides, none of them are people that have overcome any real adversity in their lives to accomplish great things. Carson is the only one who even comes close. This once-great nation still has an abundance of these people, and you would think we would demand one of them as a leader, and that the entire contest would be between such exceptional people. Where are they?

AllenS said...

How would you like to be the Democrat losing to the Socialist. How many Repubs are thinking about voting for the Dem or Socialist?

Methadras said...

The real tale of the tape are his negatives. Look at those and compare them against his favorability ratings and you'll see what is really going on.

Lem the artificially intelligent said...

I don't recall any of the eleven or so candidates that have dropped out, endorsing apparent frontrunner Trump.

What could that mean, should it all be decided at a brokered convention?

Night of the long knives.

Lem the artificially intelligent said...

I know, I know... Trump will go third party and hand the election to Hillary.

Meade said...

That's right, Lem — a vote for Trump is a vote for Hillary and vote for Hillary is vote for Trump. At least that's what the experts say.

deborah said...

Meth, I should have include this para from the article:

"One surprising finding from the poll is that Ted Cruz has the worst net favorability rating of the candidates, with 42% of voters seeing him positively to 48% who have a negative opinion of him. He and Jeb Bush (41/43) are the only candidates under water. Showing that popularity isn't everything Ben Carson is by far the most widely liked hopeful in the state with a 68/23 favorability rating, followed by Rubio at 58/32 and Kasich at 52/29. Trump is only the fourth most well liked at 50/43, but in contrast to the other candidates most of the voters who like him are also planning to vote for him."

PS: you asked for a recommendation for a SciFi listening book. Try Neuromancer narrated by Roberson Dean. Most states have their libraries interconnected, so ask your librarian to help you find it in another library system, if you can't find it in yours.

http://www.audible.com/search/ref=a_hp_tseft?advsearchKeywords=neuromancer&filterby=field-keywords&sprefixRefmarker=nb_sb_ss_i_0_11&sprefix=neuromancer

Meade said...

Wait, I had that wrong. What the experts are saying is — a vote for Bernie is vote for Trump. And a vote for Trump is a vote for Hillary.

Meade said...

Which is why I guess I'll just have to hold my nose and vote for Jeb. Although, come to think of it, that's probably a vote for Hillary too.

ricpic said...

Trump is the only breath of fresh air in the fetid Establishment den aka the enslaved United States in a quarter of a century and you're all against him. What a ship of fools.

AllenS said...

What the fuck do you mean, Meade, that you'll have to vote for Jeb? Jeb for what?

Not me, ricpic.

bagoh20 said...

A breath of fresh air. That's the extent of the argument in favor of him, and it means absolutely nothing.

bagoh20 said...

Nobody can make an argument in favor of Trump that is not based entirely on speculation that he would do things he has never done before or even supported. He is simply expected to do these thing because his supporters want desperately to believe he will. Nothing will stop that belief, because the desire is what fuels it, and that won't go away. I desperately want the same things. I'm just not willing to do any crazy ass thing just because I'm pissed off and have really mad feels.

Methadras said...

deborah said...

Meth, I should have include this para from the article:

"One surprising finding from the poll is that Ted Cruz has the worst net favorability rating of the candidates, with 42% of voters seeing him positively to 48% who have a negative opinion of him. He and Jeb Bush (41/43) are the only candidates under water. Showing that popularity isn't everything Ben Carson is by far the most widely liked hopeful in the state with a 68/23 favorability rating, followed by Rubio at 58/32 and Kasich at 52/29. Trump is only the fourth most well liked at 50/43, but in contrast to the other candidates most of the voters who like him are also planning to vote for him."

PS: you asked for a recommendation for a SciFi listening book. Try Neuromancer narrated by Roberson Dean. Most states have their libraries interconnected, so ask your librarian to help you find it in another library system, if you can't find it in yours.

http://www.audible.com/search/ref=a_hp_tseft?advsearchKeywords=neuromancer&filterby=field-keywords&sprefixRefmarker=nb_sb_ss_i_0_11&sprefix=neuromancer


Deb, thanks for the pro tip on Neuromancer. Awesome book and I'll give that suggestion a listen.

Joe Biden, America's Putin said...

Like Trump says, I'm tired of losing.

I want to win again.

Lets nominate Caroson-Rubio (and dare I say Kasich - he can't be any more/less of a democrat than Trump)


Ben Carson is by far the most widely liked hopeful in the state with a 68/23 favorability rating, followed by Rubio at 58/32 and Kasich at 52/29.

Trump is fourth

Methadras said...

bagoh20 said...

A breath of fresh air. That's the extent of the argument in favor of him, and it means absolutely nothing.


Hey, at least he isn't making you pay for every inhalation of that freshness.

Methadras said...

At least not right now.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

I'm just not willing to do any crazy ass thing just because I'm pissed off and have really mad feels.

I am. Just ask my ex husband :-D

Seriously though. Who thinks that doing the same thing we have always done with the same people who have continually lied to us and never changing our methods is going to get a better outcome....or even a different outcome.

I'm ready for a different outcome because the results of the Democrats and Republicans, who are basically the same.....the results stink to high heaven and we are going slowly into the abyss. If we are heading to the abyss we have several choices and staying with the same morons isn't one of them. Basically just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Not a solution.

Joe Biden, America's Putin said...

Burning it down and losing doesn't seem to be working either. Like Trump sez - I'm tired of losing. Trump's mouth might be the end of him. It might excite you, but it's a turn-off for many.

Yeah I'm all for trouncing PC. That can be done without suing.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

Choosing someone who the political analysts 'think' will win even though the potential candidate does not believe in some of your vital issues and has been proven in past to stand against those things you hold important (immigration, second amendment, foreign policy pussies ---yes I said pussy---and in general having no backbone, caving on everything the opposition wants) THIS is why we are in the mess we are today. THIS!!

OR---> Choose someone who you think/hope represents your issues and who offers a different path and a different approach. Hope you don't get fooled again. The first choice you know you are getting fooled, they, the RINOs just want to you do it one more time.

Yeah...sure...it will be better this time with the same cheating ex husband (GOPe candidate) Right? Just one more time baby. I promise this time it will be different. Trust me.

One is compromising your principles, once again eating the crap sandwich, so that the people who are "supposed" to be on your team will win....or so they say (Romney). The other is being true to your principles even IF you lose.

1. Sell your soul and get the shaft again.... or 2. Stand firm keep your principles.

Evi L. Bloggerlady said...

He definitely has a broad base of support...

Meade said...

Someone else who has a broad base of support is Barack Obama.

Joe Biden, America's Putin said...

We still elbow over WMDs, but the "It was the video" lie has faded into the ether.

virgil xenophon said...

IMHO Trump seems to have calculated that his approach is the only one that doesn't depend--because demographics are against us--on a knife-edge GOP victory totally dependent on max GOP registered voter turn-out and a simultaneous shrinking of black Donkey turn-out only because of the vagaries of Donkey disinterest due to lack of a black at the top of the ticket. True, Trump is an hugely imperfect vessel, but if the ONLY thing he does is solve the immigration problem I can live with him. Because if that problem is not solved, then, as Coulter says: "ADIOS AMERICA!"

bagoh20 said...

" Basically just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Not a solution."

So lets blow it up so it will stop sinking. That is a pretty good analogy. There are alternatives to sinking or blowing up, but like the people running that ship, it's full speed ahead.

Can we agree that even if Reagan, Lincoln, or Washington was running, and you didn't know any more about them than you know about the current alternatives to Trump, that you would still call them RINOs so that you would be able to explain what you can't justify without the emotional surrender? This is pure emotion leading to abandonment of all previous standards. It's really disappointing, but that's just coming from another traitor RINO, so who cares?

bagoh20 said...

Michael Moore, Rosie O'Donnell, Harry Reid, and most other moonbats never even blamed Bush for 9/11. Trump is Fonzie on water skis. He is obviously unbalanced and undisciplined which is probably central to why he has bankrupted far more projects that most billionaires including most who never started out with millions in the bank. He not even very good at his core competency - business. He is good at getting people to watch him when he says "watch this". He's just not very good at stuff that counts, and his next failure with it's bankrupt partners may be us.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

his next failure with it's bankrupt partners may be us.

It probably escaped your notice, but we are ALREADY bankrupt. 21 trillion dollars in debt with no plan to cut back on anything.

Trooper York said...

Yes it is true that the man who is the leading candidate in the Republican Primary is just not good at things that count. The multi-millions he has in the bank along with the planes and boats and yachts and estates do not exist in the real world but are simple a smoke screen.

We need to go with an establishment candidate who will bring us more of the same stuff that brought us to where we are today. Especially protecting untrammeled illegal immigration that depresses the wages and steals the jobs of native born Americans. That first and foremost is what is important. The collusion of the duopoly in both parties will demand that Bush and Clinton be the candidates. Or at worst a rent boy like Marco Rubio who will do as he is told.

Trooper York said...

Of course people who viscerally hate Trump attribute things to Trump that he did not say. He did not say that Bush caused 911. He said it happened on Bush's watch and many of his friends were killed. New Yorkers feel a little different about it. We are not so quick to forget and gloss it over as so many others do.

He said that Bush did not keep us safe. As soon as he said that the pundits said it was all over and that he lost South Carolina. Well it seems that his polls have gone up and he is still in front. So do you feel safe? Do you think that untrammeled immigration from the Middle East supported by the Bushes and the Clinton's keep us safe? Why not ask those people at that birthday party in San Beradino.

He stated that the War in Iraq was a waste. A waste of money. A waste of lives. Part of the endless wars in the Middle East whipped up by the likes of William Kristol and John Bolton and the rest of national security old boy network. They gin up these conflicts regardless of which side of the duopoly is in power. Witness Libya and Syria. Vote for Clinton or Bush or Rubio or Kasich and you will get more of the same. Endless wars. Nation building. Politically correct rules of engagement. Same shit. Different stooge.

G Joubert said...

What a bunch of snivelers you all are, whining because your own preferred RINO is getting trounced by the self-made billionaire with an economics degree from Wharton. No wonder Republicans are losers.

Trooper York said...

You can say one thing about Donald Trump. He is not beholden to the usual power sources. That is why they despise him. That is why they hate him. That is why they repudiate him even if he has the best chance to win. He doesn't use consultants. Pollsters. Party bureaucrats. They don't have any control over him.

That is reason enough to vote for him.

G Joubert said...

Trooper York-
That's precisely why I like him. Along with the way he pwns the MSM.

Joe Biden, America's Putin said...

He was beholden to Hillary.

Joe Biden, America's Putin said...

I certainly don't hate him. I just think he acts like a jackass.

Amartel said...

What's Trump going to do about the debt?

Methadras said...

Dust Bunny Queen said...

his next failure with it's bankrupt partners may be us.

It probably escaped your notice, but we are ALREADY bankrupt. 21 trillion dollars in debt with no plan to cut back on anything.


Not to mention the nearly $120 trillion in unfunded liabilities. It's trillions all the way down.

Meade said...

I don't hate Trump either. And I do enjoy the way he's pimping his family and grifting his supporters. Because he's a pig in a poke and he has a lifetime experience conning people and playing politicians for fools.

Btw, did anyone else see Obama's press conference today? At around 2:13PM he barely catches himself blurting out the F-word.

G Joubert said...

What did Obama do about the debt? What would Bernie or Hilary do about the debt? Me, I'd much rather have Trump dealing with it than anyone else running.

I'm Full of Soup said...

Issues that won't factor into the minds of most voters this November:
Abortion, Planned Parenthood, Eminent domain, Iraq, WMD, whether George Bush Lied.

Issues that will be a HUGE factor in the minds of most voters this November:
Jobs, Controlling and regulating immigration, Building a Wall, The Economy, Jobs, ISIS, a Strong Military, Smaller Govt, Jobs Jobs Jobs.

Trump beats any Dem candidate on these issues IMO.

I'm Full of Soup said...

Left this one out.

Can Trump be any worse than Obama?

Joe Biden, America's Putin said...

Meth - I wonder, though, if Trump isn't the nominee, will Trump supporters end up so angry they stay home and we get Hillary? I have yet to hear from Trump supporters -- will they suck it up and vote for any of the other candidates?

You don't have to worry about me.

Meade said...

"Can Trump be any worse than Obama? "

Easily.

What he can't be worse than is LBJ. Although he could be just as bad.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

Yes it is true that the man who is the leading candidate in the Republican Primary is just not good at things that count. The multi-millions he has in the bank along with the planes and boats and yachts and estates do not exist in the real world but are simple a smoke screen.

Not to discount what it is that you think Trump will do properly, but it's been pointed out numerous times that had he simply invested the $500 million he got from daddy, it would have been worth more today than whatever amount he claims as his net worth following years of erratic business ventures.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

...Strong Military, Smaller Govt...

Yeah. Like these two things have any relation to each other.

Joe Biden, America's Putin said...

Daddy money or not, at least Trump isn't a public-graft grifter like Hillary. He has that going for him.

Titus said...

This place is fun when Meade cums here and all the old white fat splooge stooges go nuts. These old ugly unfuckable things know noone will touch them-how depressing!

It is like the splooges actually get to blow a load in over 10 years!

tits.

chickelit said...

When exactly does George start stumping for Jeb in SC?

I'm warming up "My Brother George" Liberace voice.

chickelit said...

35% across the board from all demographics for Trump.

I assume that the other 55% are united behind...???

chickelit said...

Cruz is the clearly the Republican zealot's candidate; Rubio the one for amnesty and those unaffected by it; Bush is who the real DC insiders want. Who of these will carry the general and why?

bagoh20 said...

So let me get this straight. After challenging for an argument for Trump, you offer up:

1) He has lots of expensive stuff. * Which he could have afforded the day his daddy gave it to him.
2) He's no worse than Obama. * Who is not running, and is clearly about as low of a bar as you could set.
3) You're really tired of not getting what you want from politicians, and we're bankrupt from them. * So we'll pick a non-politician with a strong history of bankruptcy and supporting what you despise.
4) People who don't see the logic and wisdom of this are pussies.

Got it.

Imagine all those investors in those failed bankrupt projects listening to Trump tell them how he knew what he's doing, would bring them an amazing return though his awesomeness, and how much the other developers were losers. He'll walk away from this one too, with his expensive stuff, proving he actually did a good job.

Trooper York said...

That is not what I said at all.

I said the Bush and Clinton and Rubio and Kasich are more of the same. Talk about bankrupt. Their policies are bankrupt. The only people who offer something different are Trump, Cruz and Sanders.

AJ is right that Trump turned the discussion on it's head. Immigration wasn't even on the radar until Trump put it there. Then the rest of the Republican field had to lie their way to where most Republican voters are regarding immigration. Similarly trade. The insider press refuses to question Rubio for example if he supports Obamas trade legislation that abrogates our sovereignty. Security issues promise more of the same endless wars that we are going to fight with one hand behind our back. So we can be afaid to call a Muslim terrorist a Muslim terrorist. Or refuse to waterboard someone because it would offend the New York Times and NPR.

The people who are so vehemently against Trump are the people who will lose their rice bowl if he is elected. The permanent Republican establishment that serve as consultants and pundits on FOX. Or business people who exploit immigrants whether they be illegals of visa holders who imported to take jobs from native Americans. You know the ones that the great Paul Ryan wants to keep bringing in by the millions. You will notice that the NRO is pimping Ryan as the Republican candidate.

There is one core reason that I support Trump. He would put America First. For Americans. That is where we have to start. If we don't we are lost.

rcocean said...
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rcocean said...

The Trump haters have no principles. Previously they said Trump was a crazy bomber who hates Muslims and wants to torture everyone and bomb Iran. Now, they say he's crazy Hippie peacenik because he attacked the War in Iraq and stated Bush didn't keep us safe.

So which is it?

The real alternative to Trump isn't Cruz its Rubio or Jeb. Which means 4 years of Mitch, Ryan, and Rubio/Jeb passing Amnesty, cutting deals with Chuck Shumer and more of what we've had for the last 8 years.

The only hope for change is Trump.

bagoh20 said...

I understand the primary attraction of Trump here. He says what you want here about immigration. He is angry too, just like you, and he will build a wall. It will be easy and free, and whatever else you need to hear to get you to sign the check. You like him because you believe him on this one promise. You will ignore everything else to get this. But, it's words, a sales pitch, a timeshare, a new diet sensation, a transformative experience in the sweat tent. It won't happen, and there he will still be with your signed check. He'll be yuuuge, loud, failed and embarrassing for four years.

There is no more common disappointment than the ones based in trust of a single powerful and charismatic man, and it's always made possible by the skeptics' surrender.

bagoh20 said...

What happened to you guys? OK, you drank the kool aid, Bernie Madoff is a genius, but the cheer-leading is just embarrassing.

Trooper York said...

Not only that. They told us that Trump was just in the race as a cats paw for Hillary. When Trump is the only one who has drawn blood on that nasty old twat. Trump is the only one who will fight the Clinton's and the Democrats the way they fight. That is too low class for the George Wills and the Mitt Romneys who are the gentleman losers.

There was an interesting article on Briebart today. In it they state that William Kristol makes the case for Trump. The reason being that he is hysterical about what Trump said about Bush and how it was so terrible that he should be hounded out of the race. Well the question is why doesn't that happen? The Republican establishment has almost the unanimous support of the chattering classes, pundits, the media, everyone in Congress and the big money donors. Why haven't they destroyed Trump already? Is it because they won't fight? Or that they are inept losers? Or they are just worthless pussies?

Or is it that the people don't agree. That they have had enough of the bullshit. The people that realize that it is time for a change. A big change.

Trooper York said...

If you really think that Marco Rubio will keep one campaign promise than you are really going full retard.

I trust in Trump's self interest. His Ego. He knows that he has put all of his money on the immigration issue. He will not back down because he will not want to look like a loser on it.
I think he will fight for a wall. He will fight to deport some of the criminal illegal aliens. He will defund sanctuary cities and enforce immigration laws.

You know what. That is good enough for me.

G Joubert said...

So, all you rock-ribbed Republicans, if you get your way I'll laugh, sadly, but still laugh, when the MSM Palinizes/Bushes/Quayles your favorite conservative, as they always do.

I'm Full of Soup said...

Bags- I think we can afford to pay for the wall ourselves. Afterall, for years now it seems money is no object in the Imperial City.

G Joubert: You are right and it has already begun.

rcocean said...

"If you really think that Marco Rubio will keep one campaign promise than you are really going full retard."

Rubio will keep his campaign promises - as long as they're in Spanish.

bagoh20 said...

Walls never work unless you are willing to kill people trying to cross them, then you don't really need the wall anyway. And why would you want to kill people for trying to get stuff you are giving way, when you could simply just stop giving it away and prevent them from even trying.

The wall won't happen. Anything called a wall won't work without murder or taking away the carrots. You are only being promised it to get your vote, which is working like a successful new wrinkle smoothing product on a QVC roll out.

It absolutely amazing what you think this under-achieving mediocre business man can do just because he's obnoxious. Imagine what a Larry Flint/Kanye West administration could do.

Amartel said...

Nobody wants to answer my question (7:41) about what would Trump do about the debt?
Beuller?
Beuller?

Amartel said...

It's just so odd because there are people commenting about their concern about the debt. Trillions and trillions of dollars in debt. Multi-generational debt due to irresponsible governing by the establishment. So? What's the plan?

Amartel said...

This one's for those maintaining there's just no way Trump could be worse than Obama.

chickelit said...

Amartel said...Nobody wants to answer my question (7:41) about what would Trump do about the debt?

I assumed he would fire a lot of overpaid dead weight in the Federal Government and perhaps even televise it and make a sport of it on a regular basis. People would watch.

When I was a kid in Wisconsin, a Senator named Bill Proxmire (D-WI)* used to send a mimeographed newsletter to all his constituents every month or so. He'd always give his "Golden Fleece Award" for the biggest Government funded boondoggle he was lancing. It was good blood sport then and could be good blood sport again.
________________
* Just imagine any Dem Senator trying trying to pull that stunt today.

chickelit said...

I mean, there are some pigs that need poking. Just sayin'

chickelit said...

I've been trying to understand a comment r,l left me on Althouse. I think she's basically saying that Trump shouldn't be a republican because his appeal is democratic in nature.

Trump is a democrat at heart running as a Republican. What he's pulling off here is the best case of "political umpolung" that we've ever seen as a nation. I don't think anyone here is going to grasp what I mean by umpolung let alone political umpolung. I know I've proposed it before. Sure enough, I googled it and I'm the sole owner of the term link.

Shall I go on?

chickelit said...

I assumed he would fire a lot of overpaid dead weight in the Federal Government and perhaps even televise it and make a sport of it on a regular basis. People would watch.

I mean, you might think that would be ineffective, illusory and just "entertaining." But, a little good example tends to multiply and snowball on its own, leading to bigger things. It's always that way. Leaders setting good examples is all that's missing.

chickelit said...

The room is empty. I bid you all a good night.

Amartel said...

Fire the deadweight entertainingly is a fantasy assumption. There's zero basis for this assumption given Trump's actual plan, the one he has talked about.

Meade said...

"When I was a kid in Wisconsin, a Senator named Bill Proxmire (D-WI)* used to send a mimeographed newsletter to all his constituents every month or so. He'd always give his "Golden Fleece Award" for the biggest Government funded boondoggle he was lancing. It was good blood sport then and could be good blood sport again."

One winner of the Golden Fleece Award, Ronald Hutchinson, sued Proxmire for defamation in 1976. Proxmire claimed that his statements about Hutchinson's research were protected by the Speech or Debate Clause of the U.S. Constitution. The U.S. Supreme Court ruled that that clause does not immunize members of Congress from liability for defamatory statements made outside of formal congressional proceedings (Hutchinson v. Proxmire, 443 U.S. 111 (1979)). The case was eventually settled out of court.

And now you know... the rest of the story.

Joe Biden, America's Putin said...

Amartel - A big Berlin wall with a beautiful door!

No?

Joe Biden, America's Putin said...

Rand Paul has an ongoing list of government waste on his web site. It's really depressing. Seems to me we would have enough money, considering how much tax payers are fleeced now, if we could actually find a way to keep Pelosi and Reid and the rest of the bunch from all the fleecing and waste.

Does anyone actually think Trump will end the fleecing and the waste?

Joe Biden, America's Putin said...

Bagoh - well stated on all fronts.

chickelit said...

@Amartel asks and doesn't like the answer. Too bad, that.

Joe Biden, America's Putin said...

@Chickelit

...I assumed he would fire a lot of overpaid dead weight in the Federal Government and perhaps even televise it and make a sport of it on a regular basis. People would watch.

If I actually thought Trump would do that, I would be his biggest fan.

Meade said...

At least, if President Trump fails to build his big beautiful wall, we can slap a lawsuit on him. For fraud. Trump loves lawsuits.

Of course he'll settle. He'll deal. Art of the deal. What do you think we could all get out of it? A little extra rice for our rice bowls? At least those of us who Trump lets keep our rice bowls. Maybe he'll take us all for rides on his big huge fancy jet.

Then we'll finally feel like winners again. Because we're in the Trump Tribe. We're going to Trump heaven and you're not.

Amartel said...

He's your guy. Tell me his Plan. Not your plan, his plan.

ndspinelli said...

i watched a hilarious Office the other day. Michael Scott was not invited to a party by Jim but showed up anyway, where he wasn't wanted, and made an ass of himself. We have our Michael Scott as well.

Meade said...

You're likable enough, Nick.

Any thoughts on Trump? What's your opinion, your line of reasoning, your deep insight into Man and God and Law?

Dust Bunny Queen said...

Armatel asks "Trillions and trillions of dollars in debt. Multi-generational debt due to irresponsible governing by the establishment. So? What's the plan?"

I have no idea what Trump's plan to reduce the debt is anymore than we have any concrete idea what Hillary or Sanders propose to do to give free stuff to everyone.

The Executive proposes and Congress passes, if they feel like it or if they can, Constitutionally, laws that reflect those proposals. However, the executive can make changes within its own branch and cut budgets.

If I were Queen of the World. And I'm not saying that a President Trump could do these things without Congressional approval either.....just that they should be done.

1. Eliminate or combine redundant bureaucracies and departments. The redundancy is staggering.
2. Reduce the budgets of all departments under executive control by at least 5%. I mean a real reduction and not a reduction in growth.
3. Eliminate the Public Employees Union and restructure the DBP (defined benefit plan) pensions that are non funded and are bankrupting the country. Transfer to 403b plans and all new empoyees are on a 403b basis
4. Demand accountability from all departments to meet budgets and eliminate waste and fraud. No more expensive conferences and perks.
5. Send control of departments that rightly belong back to the States and get the government out of micromanaging. Department of Education has no business dictating to the States what the school districts, which are mainly funded by property taxes, should be doing. Curtain the EPA.
6. Give control of much of the Western lands, with the exception of sensitive land or National Monuments such as Yellowstone, Yosemite etc back to the States to manage and reduce the BLM staff. If Obama can just with the wave of his magic pen sequester millions of acres in Oregon, Nevada, California.....a President Trump can use his magic eraser...(I hope)
7. On a personal level the President could stop spending millions upon millions on his/her own travel and vacations. Reduce the same for all Federal employees and Congress.
8. Privatize the USPS and other departments that can be off loaded to the private sector.
9. Reduce personnel, if not by eliminating the jobs through consolidation by not replacing the position when people leave.
10. Stop squashing the oil and natural gas industry.
11. Repeal almost all of Obama's executive actions that are impeding the ability of the country to do business.

Things that may or would require Congress.
1. Reform the entitlement gravy train. STOP giving benefits to people who are not citizens.
2. Reduce the waste in the gravy train. Social Security. Medicaid. Food Stamps. Unemployment.
3. Re institute a welfare to work program to get people from the lifetime welfare roles.
4. FRAUD FRAUD FRAUD. Investigate. Make departments accountable and prosecute those who are committing fraud.
5. Get control of the out of control illegal immigration situation.

Just those few things would save BILLIONS of Dollars in current budgeting.

It is a long long process. The US Government is so far over its head that it can't be solved in a few years or even a decade. The main thing is STOP SPENDING MONEY ON STUPID STUFF AND BE ACCOUNTABLE.

This stuff of course will never happen and we will continue on the path to national bankruptcy because the Dems and the Repubs are idiots who are more concerned with their own personal advancement, getting re-elected than they are with the future.

Trooper York said...

One thing Trump is good at is firing people.

He built a TV empire on that ability. Just sayn'

Meade said...

Isn't true that Trump breached his contract with The Apprentice?

ndspinelli said...

The funniest part of the Michael Scott character is just how fucking clueless he is regarding his assholishness.

Joe Biden, America's Putin said...

Trump has mob ties. Not himself- but he hired a mob guy as a top person in charge of Trump. That's the latest. Good luck with that.

Meade said...

That's what she said.

chickelit said...

ndspinelli said...The funniest part of the Michael Scott character is just how fucking clueless he is regarding his assholishness.

Sort of an "assholier than thou" cautionary tale...