Thursday, February 11, 2016

Jeb's not dead, baby, Jeb's not dead

Excerpt:

"If you want someone with a servant’s heart, someone who solves problems, someone focused on applying our conservative principles consistently, then you’re looking at the next president of the United States, with your help.”
-Jeb Bush

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/jeb-bush-is-not-dead/2016/02/10/0446d214-d03f-11e5-b2bc-988409ee911b_story.html

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My take:

Firstly, 'firstly' is proper usage.

Secondly, I want to give Jeb a hug.

Thirdly, like Trumpians view Trump, I perceive authenticity in Jeb.

Fourthly, I think Jeb will have learned from his brother's mistake of invading a country based on false intel. That is, he won't be bamboozled by his advisors.

125 comments:

Joe Biden, America's Putin said...

The real conspiracy is the never ending push by the soros media to give us a Hillary-Bush election.

Meade said...

I'll vote Hillary-Bush before I vote Donald.

deborah said...

Not in this case, I think. Doubtless Trump could sweep the nation, but I think Milbank makes a logical observation:

"[Bush's fourth-place finish in NH] may say less about Bush than about the tragic state of the Republican mainstream as it tries to find an alternative to Trump and Ted Cruz. Chris Christie and Carly Fiorina are out of the race. Marco Rubio’s debate debacle left him with a Rick Perry problem of looking like a lightweight. John Kasich scored well in New Hampshire but will have trouble convincing Republicans elsewhere that he’s conservative enough. That leaves – could it be? – Jeb."

And just shoot me if I have to listen to Kasich blather for four years.

bagoh20 said...

Jeb might be bad, but he can't be worse.

Other than the foulness of a dynasty thing in The United States, what is so bad about Jeb?

Meade said...

Nothing. And policy-wise, Jeb comes closest to the average American's position than any other candidate except Kasich.

Jeb's new campaign slogan should be something along the lines of because all the others would be even worse.

Joe Biden, America's Putin said...

...foulness of a dynasty thing in The United States

for me, and many others who discard the manipulation, that Trumps everything.

Joe Biden, America's Putin said...

If you agree to fall in line and vote for Hillary, you are OK with lawlessness and corruption.

Joe Biden, America's Putin said...

I detest manipulation.

I'd embrace the pussy before I'd ever embrace the corrupt mummified fascist.

Meade said...

"I'd embrace the pussy before I'd ever embrace the corrupt mummified fascist."

By that, I take it you mean: I'd embrace the [Hillary] before I'd ever embrace the [Trump]. And you are right!

Joe Biden, America's Putin said...

Not sure why you think we care?

Go on ans support her. We would not expect any different. Corrupt mummified fascist that she is.

Joe Biden, America's Putin said...

ans = and

bagoh20 said...

"Jeb comes closest to the average American's position than any other candidate except Kasich."

I'd say Trump comes closest to the Average American, and he'll adopt any position necessary to get there. The problem with the "average American" is that that's who gives us reality TV, Kanye West, The Kardashians, and stupid knee jerk government solutions to every problem. The Average American is not who he used to be. He's looking for solutions to his problems without analysis, cost, personal sacrifice, or discipline. The average American is torn between Sanders and Trump, doesn't know much about any of them, and is unwilling to learn.

Meade said...

"Average American"

I'm using the Bing Political Index. You?

AllenS said...

I know average Americans. Average Americans are living all around me. All of my friends are average Americans. None of them are thinking about voting for Bush. None of them know who Kasich is.

AllenS said...

I would guess that you don't know any average Americans, Meade.

What in the hell is Bing Political Index?

bagoh20 said...

I'm using Nielsen ratings, and election results. If the average American knows anything about the candidates, and Jeb and Kasich are both near the bottom in the polls, then who are the people supporting the front runners? The elites? the exceptional Americans?

MamaM said...

...he won't be bamboozled by his advisors.

Like that hasn't been happening already. Someone is encouraging him to continue to cluelessly spend millions for abysmally low results.

bagoh20 said...

How often do you hear in person or in media that Dick Q. Public really knows anything specific about the candidates records. Almost to a person they just have a feeling, or they love or hate one thing they heard about this candidate or that one, and that's all they use to decide. Huge numbers only consider the ones who are already leading. Sheep are in the majority. Humans are herd animals, and thus subject to constant predation by wolves.

Amartel said...

Bush has been hanging around because (1) he has the funding and (2) he's waiting for the other establishment candidates to implode so he can be the last establishment candidate standing.

"Authenticity" is a buzz word that was developed to explain the appeal of Trump and Sanders. Not Bush. Don't even try with Bush. It's sad. He's just as programmed and poll-tested and manufactured in a test tube as Rubio, probably more so. The only thing authentic about Bush is his authentic establishmentarianism. When he says he has a "servant's heart he means he eats servant's hearts with fava beans and a nice chianti. P.S. You're the servant. It's also Jesus-speak for giving away mass quantities of your tax dollars to foreigners because that's what Jesus (standing in for Bush) would do. This is an anti-establishment election. The Dem establishment is going to force-feed their people Clinton. (She's somehow got way more delegates than poor Sanders even though HE won NH and at least finished in a tie for IA.) We can do better.

bagoh20 said...

"...he won't be bamboozled by his advisors"

Virtually every intelligence agency in the world, and even Saddam himself believed the same as W's advisors. It would be an irresponsible President to bet against that, and based on what? Hindsight is cheating.

MamaM said...

...like Trumpians view Trump, I perceive authenticity in Jeb.

Authenticity with low energy. Like he's missing a vital ingredient. Tons of money to spend and very little purchase. A nice dog scrabbling and sliding on a waxed floor (image via ChipA).

Amartel said...

Bush on the Super Bowl: “I know that y’all probably maybe had some leanings toward Carolina,” Bush told the crowd. “I was for Denver, not because of the Broncos, but because Peyton Manning wrote me a check.”

Authentic!
(Yes, I know, it's one thing.)

windbag said...

I totally agree that Jeb! is authentic. Like when he sighed and begged/whined "Please clap." I didn't think for a second that he was acting.

People with no common sense or contact with others need to consult polls to check the pulse of America. Allen is absolutely correct in saying that " None of them are thinking about voting for Bush. None of them know who Kasich is.

Joe Biden, America's Putin said...

@ Amartel - Bush said that... out loud? omg the guy is clueless. or Clintonesque. It's all about those donations.

Dad Bones said...

Barbara Bush would make a more impressive candidate than Jeb. - Okay, not really, but she at least looks tougher.

bagoh20 said...

And her picture is already on our money.

MamaM said...

...I want to give Jeb a hug.

I don't. I'd shake his hand and engage in conversation with him if the opportunity presented itself, but feel no desire to give him an unasked for hug.

Since yesterday's announced desire was to slap someone for the helluvit, I'm wondering what the purpose of giving a hug would be? Affection? Comfort? Bonding? Romance? Protection? Possession? Dominance?

Rabel said...

I didn't know much about Jeb before the nomination process got started. I knew that he had been a successful governor and that he was W's brother, H. W.'s son. He was a bit soft on immigration but otherwise a standard, mainline Republican, acceptable if there wasn't a better alternative, I thought. I had seen plenty of photos but not heard him speak except for possibly a sound bite here or there.

Then I saw the debates. Good Lord, what an awful speaker. Worse than W and far worse than H. W. The head bobbing, tilted forward and to his left, struggling to look over the rimless glasses. And the speaking - his thoughts constantly getting ahead of his mouth, the stuttering, the babbling sentence structure - just terrible stand-up skills.

Does that matter? Yes, in two ways.

First, you have to get elected and to do that you have to be an effective politician. To be an effective politician you have to be effective in presenting yourself to the public. I see Jeb as a complete failure on this point. You don't have to be as slick as Rubio but, damn, you have to be able to give a speech and answer questions without sounding like a blabbering idiot. And while I don't think Jeb is an idiot, he certainly does a good impersonation.

Second, in electing a President we're electing our nation's leader. Policy matters, but we also want someone who can stand before us, inspire us, and give us confidence in troubled times. The guy I've seen on stage is the opposite of that.

Which brings me to my point. I didn't have a clear impression of Jeb before the primaries, but the Republican Party leaders, official and unofficial, did. And after looking at Jeb and listening to Jeb they decided that this stuttering, incoherent and uninspiring ball of confusion was the man we needed as our next President. A man who could carry the banner of conservatism and convince the voters to vanquish the witch of Chappaqua and then lead the nation out of the dark depths of the Obama years.

Really. Jeb Bush was the man to do that. That's what they decided. They are a combination of fools, incompetents and self-serving, self-interested worms.

They and their selected candidates must be defeated if the country is to have any hope of weathering the storms that lie ahead. Damn them.

Chip Ahoy said...

Fifthly, Jeb Bush is big government in heart, mind, and soul and that is not conservative principle no matter how many times he claims otherwise.

Sixthly, Jeb Bush is product of family dynastic vision and that is not only not conservative in principle it's flat unAmerican. Bush family, thank you for your service, now, do go away.

Seventhly, Jeb Bush is top down governance type, he has no ears for his base, he persists in telling his base from presumed point of advantage and not listening to his base as to how to act. Top down governance is both un-conservative it is flat unAmerican. Common Core. Piss right the f along with all your hookupery with unAmerican commercan interests on a national scale. The opposite of Federalism. Big government Bush. Noblesse oblige is un-conservative and unAmerican.

Eighthly, Bush is bought and paid for by party elites who presume to lord over all. Take you money, all of it, and burn it. That is what you and your money are worth to us. Then simultaneously bang on about Citizens United exactly as Democrats do. "Now, Jeb," *changes to The Simpsons Apu voice* "I told you to piss right along and you're not pissing along."

Methadras said...

All I can think of with Jeb anymore is "Please clap." This is the sorry state of the GOP that has given us these candidates. At first I was excited at the gamut of diversity. Now I'm just utterly underwhelmed at the potentials for what we have to deal with. Trump a Mussolini like figure filled with bombast, braggadocio, and a mob mentality because of his NYC pedigree, yet a neophyte on the political stage, a multi-billionaire with an ego to match. Then we have Cruz, a perceived slick used car salesman, but a fairly accomplished legal scholar who is a sitting senator for the state of Texas that appears to be having a hard time getting his message across without sounding like he's pitching you the latest "As seen on TV" gadget. Then there is Kasich, an ohio governor who is still trying to carry across compassionate conservativism, aka big government hold your wallet conservativism. Rubio, a slick kid who thinks that if can ingratiate himself in the right places, say the right things, remember the rote memorization schtick that got him to his position that somehow he can attain the highest position in the land. Cristi basically exposed him as a repeating response machine, no real conservative bona fides it looks like.

So, who among you likes the field now against two doddering marxist progressives who will promise freebies under the sun for your vote, never deliver, and will continue and expand Obama's downward spiral of turning the US into a socialist paradise.

Are you not entertained?

William said...

I would be comfortable with Jeb as president, but no one who brags about having a "servant's heart" is going to fire up the electorate. We remember hearts of oak and lion hearted kings, not servant hearted leaders. It might be a useful selling point if running for abbot or prioress.

deborah said...

Meth, it was a joke the audience got.

deborah said...

Chip:

"Seventhly, Jeb Bush is top down governance type, he has no ears for his base, he persists in telling his base from presumed point of advantage and not listening to his base as to how to act. Top down governance is both un-conservative it is flat unAmerican. Common Core. Piss right the f along with all your hookupery with unAmerican commercan interests on a national scale. The opposite of Federalism. Big government Bush. Noblesse oblige is un-conservative and unAmerican."

That is how government has been for quite a while, and will be from here on out, hastened by technology. I'd rather have someone humble in charge of it than a head case like Trump or Cruz. Rubio is too young, slick, and hungry, and Kasich a Class A bull shitter I'd hate to have in charge of the military or foreign policy.

deborah said...

Rabel, you judge him much more harshly than I do. I don't think he's anywhere as bad as you perceive.

Rabel said...

Deb, you're right that it was a joke. The problem is what generated the joke. He offered up what was supposed to be a dramatic applause line and was met with silence. And those were his supporters.

Rabel said...

"Rabel, you judge him much more harshly than I do. I don't think he's anywhere as bad as you perceive."

True. And roughly 5 percent of Republican voters would agree with you.

Amartel said...

Hillary! v. Jeb! The Public Servant's Heart! versus Endless War!
The electorate has question marks and these two will give us exclamation points.

Amartel said...

deb,
Bush's actions regarding Common Core and immigration tell you what you need to know about the man. He is for stuff that favors his big money cronies, even if that is at the expense of regular people. He's all "humble" and "earnest" and "please clap" about it because that act fools people who aren't dialed in closely to the facts. That's not a criticism. We've all been fooled by this act in the past. Actions speak louder than words. He did some good things as governor of Florida but takes credit for successes that were due to the industry of the people of Florida. Since leaving office he has carefully staked out middle of the road positions that are designed to flatter every variety of GOP voter. None of it's authentic.
Top down government has been the status quo for some time and it's an unmitigated disaster. The extent of the disaster, its practical effect on people now and in the future, has been systematically disguised but it's going to hit us all shortly. An effort is being made to stave it off until King Putt rides off into the sunset on his unicorn. It will be the fault of the Republicans, of course.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

Jeb seems like a nice guy. An eager puppy. He reminds me of the insurance salesman in the movie Groundhog. The one that just keeps pathetically trying to sell Bill Murray some insurance. Nice guy, but really not and effective person and not all the bright either.

Besides the distasteful dynasty thing the media and the elites keep trying to shove down our throats....I just don't feel that Jeb! has the gumption or even really the brains to stand up to the entrenched corrupt Washington machine and lobbyists. Nice guy who will cave and sell us all down the river.

If Jeb! is the candidate, I'm not voting. And before everyone gets their panties in a wad. In California, if you vote Republican in a national election, it is basically a giant waste of time. Our Republican votes aren't worth a bucket of warm spit and just an exercise in futility.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

Wow typos galore. I'm not at my regular computer.....for a lame excuse.

Jeb's stance on immigration and support of common core is a no go to get my support.

The words wishy washy and bland as oatmeal also come to mind.

Joe Biden, America's Putin said...

If Jeb! is the candidate, I'm not voting.

Not alone...I'm not voting if Jeb is the nom. Dem media wins. Again. I refuse to play along.

ricpic said...

Make America Great Again!....you mothers.

Meade said...

wow. Maybe rhhardin was right — you all are a soap opera.

AllenS said...

From average Americans to soap opera?

Amartel said...

It's whatever insult floated up to the top of the brain pan in that particular moment.
Don't try to make sense of it.

Trooper York said...

Jeb is a Storm Trooper in the Army of the Duopoly. An ineffectual that gets shot in the first reel.

His masters have bought and paid for him just as they have for his brother. In fact the whole Bush family has been an unmitigated disaster for the Republican Party and the United States of America. Yes George W was elected twice. But then so was Barack Obama. Incompetence is rewarded when they do the work of the Duopoly.

Jeb has no chance of being the Republican nominee. He is only in the race because he is listening to his handlers who have an unmatched record of failure. They are just keeping him in the race to feed off of the money he raised in his Super Pac. Once that is gone he will not have a friend or supporter to his name.

He is a patsy.

AllenS said...

He'll always have Meade.

deborah said...

Bago, check out this account by Col. Patrick Lang, a retired Army, top intelligence officer. Here is a section of his CV:

"DEFENSE INTELLIGENCE AGENCY, U.S. GOVERNMENT Director, Human Intelligence Collection (HUMINT), June 1992-July 1994 In charge of world wide U.S. military collection of information necessary to American strategic and tactical activities. Included world-wide command of all military, naval and air force attaches serving with U.S. diplomatic missions as well as many other collection activities. These collection activities included all the espionage assets of the Department of Defense

DEFENSE INTELLIGENCE AGENCY, U. S. GOVERNMENT The Defense Intelligence Officer for the Middle East, South Asia and Terrorism, 1985-1992 The chief substantive official (boss) in the Department of Defense for the analysis and dissemination of information regarding the subjects named in position title. Wrote and supervised the writing of all Department of Defense intelligence documents touching on area of expertise. A principal adviser to Secretary of Defense, Chairman of Joint Staff and President of the United States for Middle Eastern Affairs. This period spanned the Iran-Iraq War, the USS Stark incident, intermittent difficulties with Libya and the 1990-1991 Gulf War. The vicechairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Board which investigated the Stark incident. A principal figure in Bob Woodward’s book “The Commanders.” Briefer for President George H.W. Bush during Operation Desert Storm. Expert briefer."


Here is his account of the build-up to the invasion of Iraq, which actually began during the Clinton administration:

http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/files/drinking_the_kool_aid3.pdf

Me:
The Senate was aware this was a put-up job, but had no clue what a horrifying disaster it would become. Hillary claimed she hadn't read the NIE (National Intelligence Estimate) on the matter before she cast her AUF vote.

Joe Biden, America's Putin said...

I'd rather be a bar of soap than a manipulative preachy troll. *woof*

Meade said...

The thing to remember is this: Trump is not a conservative. In fact, he hates conservatives.

AllenS said...

I doubt if he hates conservatives, Meade. I think you're just making shit up. Trump is a businessman.

deborah said...

Okay, gang, thanks for your insights, I'll keep them in mind.

Meade said...

I'm not making anything up, Allen. Trump has spent most of his career giving money mainly to Democrats. He has spent most of his career rejecting conservative policies (e.g. eminent domain). Yet now, in order to get the GOP nomination, he calls himself a conservative. His version of conservatism, “give me power and I’ll make great deals,” is a leftist vision of government rather than a conservative one. Think about it. It's essentially what Obama said and did.

ampersand said...

Bush me once ,shame on you.
Bush me twice, shame on me.
Bush me thrice,shameless.

Dad Bones said...

Jeb's handlers must stroke him like a mutt that can't catch a rabbit. "Good boy! You almost got him this time. Are you sure you aren't a Greyhound? Ha ha ha Okay, here comes another one. Get him, Jeb!"

Lydia said...

Then I saw the debates. Good Lord, what an awful speaker. Worse than W and far worse than H. W. The head bobbing, tilted forward and to his left, struggling to look over the rimless glasses. And the speaking - his thoughts constantly getting ahead of his mouth, the stuttering, the babbling sentence structure - just terrible stand-up skills.

Eye of the beholder, I guess. Just watched this exchange he had with Trump in the last debate, and I didn't see the stuttering, the babbling, etc.

bagoh20 said...

So Deb, is it your contention that we and much of the world went into Iraq why? Because Bush was just evil and wanted to kill lots of soldiers and civilians, or to steal their oil, or avenge his dad?

There is of course evidence somewhere stating we should have known better about WMDs, but that was only one of a long list of reasons to get rid of Saddam, and the entire world needed to be in on the conspiracy, because many nations supported it. In the end it was a success that created the first Arab democracy, gave us a valuable stability enforcing staging base, and an ally right in the center of the middle east. Most important it proved we would stay and win, and could not simply be waited out by our enemies. The war was a success in my opinion, and could have been very valuable in preventing what we have now and will regret deeply for a long time. All that war across the region, and ISIS, and the Taliban planning on our similar departure from Afghanistan, and an emboldened, unbridled Iran has been left to fester by our childish and politically driven need to withdraw after victory, which always results in failure, while the places where we remained like Germany, Italy, and Japan have been unprecedented successes in peace and prosperity for generations now. War is something to be avoided with a passion, but there are things worse than doing the hard things and sticking them out. There will always be a story from those opposed of how it was a mistake. Is there anything we all agree on anymore?

Trooper York said...

Yes there is something we can all agree on.

We can do better than either a Bush or a Clinton.

Jeb does not need a hug. He needs two behind the ear to put him out of his misery. He is Fredo after all.

deborah said...

Bags, since you didn't read it, let's just let it lie.

Lydia said...

Common Core's standards were developed by a bipartisan group of state governors, not the federal government, and the feds do not mandate them. Both Scott Walker and Bobby Jindal, for example, were once supporters. I don't think folks began turning against the measures until Obama embraced them.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

The thing to remember is this: Trump is not a conservative

Here is also a thing to remember. We don't give a flying eff if Trump is not a conservative according to the good ole boys club in Washington or at the National Review. Not one f*ck to give.

The so called conservatives are the reason we are in this mess now. Elite pantywaist lying sacks of shit who compromise every principle that they have and give the farm away and stab us all in the backs. Can a be clearer? Probably, but then I'd have to use some of the more salty language I've learned from my first husband who was a career sailor.

You can take this "not a conservative" bull crap and shove it where the sun don't shine because being conservative means NOTHING if you don't do what you say you are going to do.

deborah said...

lol I heart DBQ. It's all just a crap shoot and so rigged, that we won't know 'what's in it until we sign it.'

But no one will seriously try to tear down ACA and start over.

Hopefully the selected candidate will do the right things overseas.

Etc.

Meade said...

Trooper York said...
"Jeb does not need a hug. He needs two behind the ear to put him out of his misery. He is Fredo after all."

You should not be surprised if you're contacted by the Secret Service or FBI. You are not a patriot, a conservative, or even a decent human being. I realize you were only a baby when JFK was assassinated but that is no excuse for advocating such a thing. Lem should permanently ban you from his blog. Even Donald Trump himself would find you hugely disgusting.

Meade said...

As I was saying — Donald Trump hates conservatives.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

Thirdly, like Trumpians view Trump, I perceive authenticity in Jeb.

Authentically conventional. Authentically useless.

Fourthly, I think Jeb will have learned from his brother's mistake of invading a country based on false intel. That is, he won't be bamboozled by his advisors.

What a huge leap. Based on what? When attacked by Trump on how badly his brother f'd things up for Republicans, Jeb goes, "He kept us safe!" WTF? Three thousand dead in lower Manhattan is not safe. No health benefits for first responders is definitely not only not safe, but not honorable. The thousands of our dead and many more shellshocked in Iraq cannot be shown to have made us safer, and directly led to ISIS.

I think people want the answers to those questions before they would bother describing Jedediah's establishment instincts as "authentic". At some point people actually want the leaders they see as authentic to have credibility when asked if they can still even believe what they themselves say.

Do you really believe J. Bush believes the things he says? He gets paid to say them. These are people who are paid to say and ultimately think what they are told to say. To apply the word "authentic" to people who do that beggars belief.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

Doubtless Trump could sweep the nation...

No. It's how Trump "could cover" America.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

All that war across the region, and ISIS, and the Taliban planning on our similar departure from Afghanistan, and an emboldened, unbridled Iran has been left to fester by our childish and politically driven need to withdraw after victory, which always results in failure, while the places where we remained like Germany, Italy, and Japan have been unprecedented successes in peace and prosperity for generations now.

You know what makes Iraq different from Japan, Germany and Italy?

Neither Japan nor Germany nor Italy were merely one state out of 23 or more with the same language, religion and history of conquest.

You know how those Arabs always complain about how the Middle East's boundaries were drawn up somewhat arbitrarily after WWI and without regard for the fact that they're all really part of the same nation and historical theocracy?

Well, they're right. About that at least.

There were not 22 other Germanys after WWII. Situated right next door over some massively porous borders. Or 22 other Italys... or 22 other Japans. You'd better believe those other countries would have used our ostensible "wins" over those countries and occupation as a rallying point for making sure they eventually got the sense that they were back in charge after all that if that had been the case.

The Arabs need to sort out their own problems. And you'd better damn well believe they're full of them. Perpetual security welfare is no less corrupting than domestic welfare.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

You can take this "not a conservative" bull crap and shove it where the sun don't shine because being conservative means NOTHING if you don't do what you say you are going to do.

They will do whatever their biggest contributors (usually corporate) would want them to do. It's really not all that hard to figure out.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

As I was saying — Donald Trump hates conservatives.

For someone who believes he's the epitome of wisdom, you might bother learning that "talk is cheap." That whole Twit pic was about what DT "doesn't say."

Ironically, by saying whatever he wants to say (whether he means it the next day or not) he has allowed the Republican base to admit to itself just how cheap all the other candidates' talk ever was.

deborah said...

Ritmo,

@757 Based on watching his brother completely fuck up Iraq. I read him as being more sober and level-headed. IIRC 9/11 was largely on the Clinton administration, and also due to lack of communication between government organizations...competition and jealously held intel.

@803 I almost missed the key. I thought you were making the point that Trump hates traveling and staying in hotels and would return to NYC every night. He's a germiphobe and hates shaking hands.

rcocean said...

If Goldberg, Lowrey, Erick Erickson, George Will, Bill Kristol, David Brooks, and all the Wankers at Red State and Fox News are what now passes for "Conservative" -

Then I hate conservatives too. GO Trump and Cruz.

rcocean said...

If Jeb Bush wasn't related to 2 former Presidents, he wouldn't be in the race. Some people like Dynasties for some reason.

Joe Biden, America's Putin said...

I admire the writers at NRO. Jonah G is tops.

If you disagree with them, that's fine. I sometimes do too.. I don't discard them like a used tissue over it. Comparing NRO writers intelligent analysis to David Brook's utter foolish and vapid drivel - that is quite a stretch.

Joe Biden, America's Putin said...
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Joe Biden, America's Putin said...

It's not that I'm not disappointed with the GOPe, it's that some of us find Trump's past support of all things democrat rather startling. It raises questions.

Id rather have a fake conservative --(Trump) who, at least, has real-world business experience and was never a community organizer- than the old guard media selected corruption on the left. I'd rather have Bernie if my only selections are Bernie and Hillery. Perfection isn't on the menu - but Trump's blind faith followers should wake up and smell the reality. It's not a question of conservative or not, it's - is he selling us a quality used car or a clunker? Hard to tell.

I know with Hillary - we get a crooked liar who will say anything if it helps the Clinton's personal family finances. + a nice sprinkle of old guard leftist-feminist fascism and hypocrisy cut with a horrible voice to deliver it all and tell us we better like it or we belong in hell.
I know Bernie is a socialist-Commie - but I doubt he's on the take. He'll just destroy us in other ways. For instance, creating even an even larger army of beige 20 somethings that are even more useless.

Joe Biden, America's Putin said...

It it's Jeb and Hillary - the system is rigged.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

Jeb may indeed be less "jumpy" than whatever nickname I could find appropriate for that towel snapping fratboy brother of his, but I guess agreeing to differ on the meaning of the 9/11 report is just something we'll have to keep doing for the foreseeable future. I don't doubt that whatever BJC and Sandy Berger did wasn't all that effective, but it would be hard to argue that they dismissed the seriousness of the threat he posed - esp. once the administration handed off that info on Priority Numero Uno to the non-nation-builders following them. For my part, it would have been nice to know that a memo entitled "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S." was followed up by Condi with an action that I could have at least respected, not to mention whatever had been done for the 7 months prior, but who knows. I'm sure it's not an all-or-nothing issue; as I said the BJC administration is completely innocent of precisely nothing, including the way the regulatory stage was set for The Great Recession - but as you know once an administration is actually in power it must face up to every responsibility it can take on from Day #1 on January 20th. This is serious stuff, which is incidentally the only point Hillary makes that I can actually agree with. Probably because it's so damn generic.

Rabel said...

"I admire the writers at NRO."

I used to, but Trump has seemingly driven them out of their minds. I read an item by Ramesh Ponnuru on the partial birth abortion decision by Trump's sister. She sounded horrible. Then I read the decision and realized that Ponnuru's article was simply dishonest, a lie meant to smear Trump. And then in the comments Ponnuru (after chiding another commenter for a mild insult) wrote this: "Trump panders to uneducated idiots. That's why he is number one in the republican race."

Fuck him. His wife works for Jeb.

Joe Biden, America's Putin said...

I think they have good cause to be alarmed over Trump.

Rabel -Yeah - the dirt digging can get over the top. So what his sister...? I agree, and NRO should fire him over that. wow.

Joe Biden, America's Putin said...

From the very beginning I said that I think Trump is in this for Hillary.

I might be a weirdo conspiracy nutjob - but watch. Just watch.

Joe Biden, America's Putin said...

OT: just flashed by Hillary & AGAIN she embarrassingly dropped Paul Krugman and Barnie Franks names-- attaching them to herself as good economic policy thinkers. wow.

Yikes.

Joe Biden, America's Putin said...

Hey America with Hillary you will get Paul Krugman (E-embarrassment) and Barny Frank- (F-Fannie and Freddie derelict) as your key economic advisers.

Rabel said...

I watched a couple of minutes. Hillary looks puffy tonight. New make-up artist? Fresh Botox? Stress induced edema? Her chin looks like a little balloon.

chickelit said...

I'll vote Trump or Sanders before I vote Hillary or Jeb.

chickelit said...

Jeb and Hillary are the respective "anointed ones" for their respective parties. Why are there even "anointed ones"? Because there is a ruling class governed by family connections and corruption. Both Trump and Sanders represent flies in the anointment(s).

chickelit said...

Hey America with Hillary you will get Paul Krugman (E-embarrassment) and Barny Frank- (F-Fannie and Freddie derelict) as your key economic advisers.

That's a big part of the problem. Both Bush and Clinton would reinstall cadres of tired hacks and loyal dogs just looking for one last helping of Gravy Train. I'm tired of that shit.

chickelit said...

Fourthly, I think Jeb will have learned from his brother's mistake of invading a country based on false intel. That is, he won't be bamboozled by his advisors.

I think Jeb will hire back many of his brother's ex-advisors and that's a big problem. That's how those family loyalty things have always worked.

chickelit said...

Clinton and Bush are in a sense inspiration for people on how to get fabulously wealthy in government service. That's not an ideal I want to see promoted.

On a Trumpian note, it just occurred to me that the Trumps would probably forgo the amenities of the Executive Mansion -- maybe even layoff some long time staff.

Titus said...

What did Rush and Levin have to say...I have to know what to think, and they tell me everyday, because I am stupid, and they run the party aparatus, and basically my life.

Did Hannity love Rubio, than I love Rubio.

I love talk radio and fox and therefore i am fortified in my old years.

tits.

deborah said...

Chick, I did wonder about who his FP advisors are...not Cheney and Rummy...Poppy threw them under the bus, but took a long time to do so...right when it would help Jeb.

Titus, show us that picture of your face were teasing us with...I wanna see.

chickelit said...

Oh and that "servant's heart" stuff? Jeb Bush stole that from Palin back in the day when it was cool to like Palin and only assholes like Jeb felt threatened.

deborah said...

Ugh, Paul Wolfowitz:

"The Office of Special Plans (OSP), which existed from September 2002 to June 2003, was a Pentagon unit created by Paul Wolfowitz and Douglas Feith, and headed by Feith, as charged by then-United States Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, to supply senior George W. Bush administration officials with raw intelligence (unvetted by intelligence analysts, see Stovepiping) pertaining to Iraq.[1] A similar unit, called the Iranian Directorate, was created several years later, in 2006, to deal with intelligence on Iran.[2]"
-Wiki

chickelit said...

Troop's video in the next post nails the sort of contempt Jeb has for constituents. Trump makes faces too, but only at other candidates.

deborah said...

Well, servant's heart is an old trope...hard to prove he stole it from her...or can you make the connection.

deborah said...

I think you completely missed the point of Trooper's Young Turks clip. Jeb wasn't contemptuous, he was non-plussed and trying to make light of it.

deborah said...

Bonsoir, it's the witching hour EST.

Trooper York said...
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Trooper York said...

Jeb wasn't non-plussed.

He was pussified.

chickelit said...

deborah said...Well, servant's heart is an old trope...hard to prove he stole it from her...or can you make the connection.

Yes, it's probably Biblical, but Palin first used the term in her 2008 acceptance speech and again in 2011 (Althouse link). I don't recall anyone using it earlier, let alone a Palin-basher like Jeb Bush.

MamaM said...

Great connect and memory Chickelit, with Bender saying at the link:
A servant’s heart!

That's old. She's been saying that all along.

10/5/11, 5:51 PM


As for the video, Jeb appeared clueless with no attempt to make light of anything. A Bumblularina (the M version of a bombalurina) without a cue or a score.

chickelit said...

He was pussified.,

Pusillanimous is a word worthy of revival. It's kinder and gentler.

Joe Biden, America's Putin said...

I'll vote Trump or Sanders before I vote Hillary or Jeb.


Me too, Chickelit

Meade said...

"I'll vote [...] Sanders [...]."

Hmm.

AllenS said...

Hmm?

Are you wondering about what you just said, Meade? Well, we all are.

AllenS said...

Meade said...
"I'll vote [...]for[...] Donald."

February 11, 2016 at 11:25 AM

It's just too easy.

chickelit said...

Meade said...I'll vote Hillary-Bush before I vote Donald.

February 11, 2016 at 11:25 AM


Unlike you, Meade, there are just no circumstances under which I'd vote for Hillary.

Explained.

Joe Biden, America's Putin said...

Meade loves Hillary.

Meade said...

"there are just no circumstances under which I'd vote for Hillary"

Or for Jeb, right?

deborah said...

From a limited-government point of view, Sanders is a great choice. He won't be able to do much on the spending front except veto a lot. Nothing he proposes is likely to get any traction.

He may go into the War Room and make reasonable decisions. What is reasonable depends on the individual voter's world view.

chickelit said...

Or for Jeb, right?

Not likely.

Meade said...

deborah makes a good point. Of Trump, Clinton, Bush, and Sanders, a Sanders presidency would, in actuality, be the most limited-government 4-8 years. Conservatives, unite and feel the Bern!

Meade said...

"Not likely."

weasel words

AllenS said...

The DNC will make sure that Hillary gets the nomination. Don't ever forget that, Meade.

chickelit said...

Previously, bags has noted a fear that Trump is actually a big Government and spending advocate (or at least unpredictable in that regard). Following deborah's lead, from a limited-government point of view, Trump is a great choice. He won't be able to do much on the spending front except veto a lot. Nothing he proposes is likely to get any traction.

chickelit said...

AllenS said....The DNC will make sure that Hillary gets the nomination. Don't ever forget that, Meade.

In other words, "you will eat that shit sandwich whether you like it or not."

AllenS said...

Their livelihoods are at stake, chick. What will happen to the Dem party if Sanders gets the nod, and Trump or Cruz crushes him in the election?

chickelit said...

AprilApple said...The real conspiracy is the never ending push by the soros media to give us a Hillary-Bush election.

Hillary-love means never having to say you're Soros.

AllenS said...

Hillary-love means never having to say you're Bush league. Which is below JV.

deborah said...

"Following deborah's lead, from a limited-government point of view, Trump is a great choice."

I said that to bago recently.

Meade said...

Here's a short quiz that might help you choose: http://www.iowapoliticsnow.com/news/data/quiz-find-your-presidential-candidate/article_f71759fe-c519-11e5-a02d-7725d71eb374.html

Meade said...

I took the quiz and I can tell you honestly I did not get Trump, Clinton, Bush, or Sanders. I retook it, trying to pick answers as right wing as I could, and I got Cruz.

AllenS said...

Here's a short quiz for you, Meade. What is 2 + 2?

Meade said...

That depends, Allen. What modulo system are you using?

Meade said...

...11 minutes...12 minutes...13...
Allen? You there, bro?
(He's probably busy reading wikipedia.)

MamaM said...

As Belder conveniently pointed out in several responses at Althouse to Althouse on the servant-heart reference, Sarah Palin's repeated use of the term comes up with the magic of Google fingers. It was fun to read the linked thread and hear the difference in tone over there between then and now.

Also appreciating Amartel's added insights on the "authenticity" buzz, as well as his description of Jeb's act, along with William's addition of Jebberwocky insights over on the Young Turks post.