Tuesday, May 27, 2014

The Independent: Seth Rogen 'horrified' at suggestion his work inspired mass murderer's shooting rampage

"Seth Rogen has expressed his outrage at an article that suggested films he has starred in inspired mass murderer Elliot Rodger to go on a shooting rampage in California against women over the weekend."
Ann Hornaday, a film critic for the Washington Post, pin-pointed the work of the actor and famed comedy director Judd Apatow as possible motivation for the killing spree, which ended the lives of six young people and injured 13 more.

She wrote that “mass entertainment has been overwhelmingly controlled by white men, whose escapist fantasies so often revolve around vigilantism and sexual wish-fulfilment (often, if not always, featuring a steady through-line of casual misogyny).”
Seth Rogen
“How many students watch outsized frat-boy fantasies like Bad Neighbours and feel, as Rodger did, unjustly shut-out of college life that should be full of ‘sex and fun and pleasure’?” she continued. (read more)

Others at stuff.co.nz argue that Mental Illness, not Misogyny, made Elliot Rodger kill.

"What to make of a disturbed young man who rants about killing women in revenge for them not having sex with him, who then murders two, as well as four men?"
There's not much to like about Elliot Rodger - entitled, self-pitying, vain, insecure, histrionic, materialistic, racist, boastful and ungrateful - yet it's difficult for any of us to judge how many of these attributes arose from mental health issues or were simply the result of a nasty little mind. Our knowledge of him is incomplete... 

Much has been made of Rodger's misogyny, yet he stabbed these three Asian men to death and mutilated their bodies. Think about the sort of mind needed to do something like that, then move calmly on to your next victims? Ask yourself if they're the actions of a sane man? (read more)
What do you believe was the cause of the murderous rampage, misogyny, mental illness, both?

119 comments:

Chip S. said...

Nonsense.

This is obviously the movie to blame.

Rabel said...

"What do you believe was the cause of the murderous rampage, misogyny, mental illness, both?"

Beats me. The question I have is - why is Seth Rogen a Major Motion Picture Star. Has no one seen The Green Hornet?

I have a similar question about Jack Black.

President-Mom-Jeans said...

I like Seth Rogen in small doses. He can't carry a movie, but is good in supporting roles, and seems like way less of a libtard douchebag than most people in Hollywood.

I am 100% positive that the nutcase closet case who murdered those people was not driven to it by either Seth Rogen or Judd Apatow.

I am equally positive that the film reviewer who suggested it is a rotten cunt with no redeeming value to society.

Amartel said...

They are the same thing, woman haters and mental illness. Same with man haters and race baiters. All reactionary emotion and impulse and no thinking. All collective guilt and no individual responsibility.

Indulging in an orgy of social blaming ("white men," Hollywood, "gun culture") only serves to create an atmosphere that encourages the mentally ill to feel free to live out their sick fantasies, secure in the knowledge that their crimes will later be excused or at least explained in an excusing way by Experts. The media never examines in depth the real thread that runs through these mass killings - mental illness. Tens of millions own guns, view movies and videos and video games, and are white and male but do not do these things. But all must pay with blame and condemnation and further inroads into individual civil rights because addressing the real problem would be too difficult. For the Experts.

Aridog said...

Let me be v-e-r-y clear on this subject. Who gives a fuck about Seth Rogen? Anyone you know know him? Name them.

Next, why is the Elliot Roger murderous rampage more nationally significant and covered oh, ou, ah, gee whiz fuckity do da day...than the one month ago murder of 9 with 36 more wounded, 6 of them children, in Chi-fucking-ca-sucking go?

The media decides for you and me what is "romantic" amongst the weekly atrocities in almost every major urban center in the entire country. White little pin-dick loser fuckhead goes ape shit, (be ASHAMED white boys!) hates women, but kills more men than women (4:2) ...and you betcha big buddy that's what you are told is a BIG DEAL!

I am not impressed, nor do I give one rat's tiny shit bit.

The media makes the "glory" and future weasel dicks will strive to be just like ole Elliot.

The media says it is "gun crime" but needle dick the pussy virgin killed more with a knife than a gun.

Like I said...I don't care anymore.

Eric the Fruit Bat said...

Lots and lots of people are sexually frustrated.

Lots and lots of people are nuts.

Lots and lots of people are angry at the world.

Lots and lots of people are sexually frustrated, nuts, and angry at the world.

Serial killers are few and far between.

Eric the Fruit Bat said...

Was he a serial killer or a mass murderer?

Maybe I should look it up.

Whatever.

President-Mom-Jeans said...

I think the distinction between mass murderers and serial killers is killing over time.

You shoot up a mall in 15 minutes, mass murderer.

You kill 5 people over 5 years, serial killer.

edutcher said...

No, it sounds more like the standard Lefty metrosexual he was failed human being. A sexless beta male who, stirred and shaken by a lethal cocktail of life circumstances, racial grievance, mental illness, and morbid narcissism that stunted his development into adulthood and compelled him to prefer morose martyrdom to active efforts at self-improvement, found it easier to blame the degree of his brow ridge tilt for his failure with women.

If that doesn't sound like your typical Occupier (or, cough, troll), nothing ever will.

AllenS said...

Nothing says misogyny, like killing four men.

Sixty Grit said...

So Seth feels "horrified". That's nice to know.

I just read his IMDb page - turns out I have never seen a single movie he has been in. That's good, otherwise I might have to feel horrified, too.

But do go on about your feelings, Seth - certainly someone, somewhere gives a shit about them.

And since he feels responsible for this, at least in his own self-aggrandizing narcissist way, can we deport him?

Dust Bunny Queen said...

What really annoys me and makes me want to scream is this: SHOOTING RAMPAGE.

No mention that the first 3 people killed were killed with a knife. Others were killed or wounded by his BMW. Then let's ban kitchen knives and cars.

Yes. He also used a gun. Not very well either, since he seems to have been a really poor shot. Poor kid. Sucked at everything even being a mass killer.

Even so......the media wants to make this all about guns when it is exactly NOT about guns.

The cause is mental illness. Poor parenting. Bad police procedures, they were warned! Spoiled rotten kid.

Here's the deal. Crazy people do crazy things. Sometimes you just can't stop them.

The end.

Darcy said...

Psychopathic narcissism nails it. Is it anyone's fault but the killer's? No.

ndspinelli said...

In criminal justice this little shitbird is known as a spree killer. I see this a combo of wealthy entitlement and mental illness. A Leopold and Loeb like spree killer

Chip S. said...

Sixty Grit said…
And since he [Rogen] feels responsible for this, at least in his own self-aggrandizing narcissist way, can we deport him?

I don't know what part of the article you got his from.

Rogen said that he found the article blaming him for the killings "horribly insulting and misinformed." How does that constitute feeling "responsible"?

I'm Full of Soup said...

I bet this film critic thinks the violent Game of Thrones is great. Cause all the right people seem to love Games of Thrones.

Sixty Grit said...

Ann Hornaday is a film critic? Really? Yet she called the movie "Bad Neighbours", using the Brit or Commie, er, Cannuck spelling. The movie is actually titled "Neighbors", according to IMDb.

Typical liberal - unable to correctly identify simple things. That alone makes everything she writes suspect.

I'm Full of Soup said...

Also, someone should tell the film critic that the nerd has been getting the girl in movies for about 30-40 years now. It is not a recent plotline.

Sixty Grit said...

Chip S - as if I read the article - I merely read the headline as it was written here. THAT'S ALL I NEED TO KNOW!

Clearly, that's insufficient, but I am still in favor of deporting Rogen - HIS MOVIES ARE CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY!!!

Three exclamation points means I am serious. Yep. As serious as I can be.

Anyway, we are finally getting some rain here - been in a bit of a dry spell, lately. How about them O's?

Okay, I screwed up.

Chip S. said...

Sixty, Hornaday called the movie "Neighbors" in her WaPo article. The Independent, being a Brit publication, used the title of the international release.

Chip S. said...

This concludes the portion of the thread in which I carp at Sixty's comments.

Sixty Grit said...

Well alrighty then - I must go denounce myself.

Goes to show what happens when you get all your news from Lem's...

Sixty Grit said...

Chipster - I appreciate you keeping me honest. I might have gone off on a tangent or a rant or something.

A few cleansing breaths and I will be all better.

Chip S. said...

I know that you're a stickler for accuracy, that's all.

Sixty Grit said...

I try to be, but I can't be any better than my source material. The Independent - meh - will I ever learn?

Chip S. said...

Gotta say that I'm a little disappointed in the house libs here for not seizing on this:

Spoiled rotten kid

and this:

wealthy entitlement

to make an argument for steeply progressive taxes as crime-fighting tools.

Hey, just tryin' to help.

Darcy said...

lol you guys are adorbs

Synova said...

Lots and lots and lots of misogynists don't kill anyone. Nothing about misogyny involves being murderous about it. "Crazy" is entirely adequate to the purpose here, no need for everyone to get their own personal hobby horse involved.

Just about as dawg-awful stupid as blaming his murder spree on sexual frustration. OH EM GEE... what do you think God gave you hands for?

"Nothing says misogyny, like killing four men."

That, too.

Synova said...

Oh... I had intended to be upbeat.

So... I kind of liked Green Hornet. I saw the whole thing as commentary on the racism of the original show. The people I watched it with hated it. They're all... "That's so dumb!" and I'm all, "That was the point!"

I should watch it again and write up a big thing just so I can haul it out anytime someone comes with "No, Prometheus wasn't stupid, it was DEEP, you just didn't get the SYMBOLISM." And then I can say... in that case The Green Hornet was high art!

Also... Inception was better when it was called Total Recall...

President-Mom-Jeans said...

Pineapple Express was great.

Titus said...

Hi everyone! How are you? I am super, thanks for asking.

The Vineyard was divine this weekend. Anyone who was anyone premeried their summer frocs and they were fierce.

We ran into Jeremy and Claude from Chelsea and Alejandro and Dragon from West Hollywood-it was super catching up with them and they worked very hard this winter!

Where did you holiday this past weekend?

Hope it was fabs!

toodles and tits.

Aridog said...

I am waiting for someone, anyone, to tell me why this Elliot punk got the big national headlines and over-emotional hoo-ha, and the 9 dead and 36 wounded in Shit-town last month got zip? Is it because the big city urban deaths and maiming don't fit the proper narrative...but a little punk Hollywood white boy does?

Tell me. Please.

Aridog said...

Titus, you moron...Memorial Day is not a fucking holiday. Except to assholes....

President-Mom-Jeans said...

Titus, while we have you here.

Could you use your highly tuned gaydar on the murderous little shit who led to this thread topic?

There has been debate both here and at TOP speculating.

Titus said...

he was 1/2 malaysian so really not white.

also being 5-4 could not of helped.

shorties tend to have tiny cocks too and the asian part could of made it even smaller.

Synova said...

Aridog, serious answer...

Violence among lower classes does not feel threatening to upper classes in the same way that a random psycho feels threatening. People express all the "right" concern, but in truth, they do not feel personally at risk. They don't deal drugs, they don't live in a dangerous neighborhood, they don't *expect* to have a drive-by happen, they aren't personally married to an abuser or drug dealer...

Yes, part of it is that the victims are brown, but even that is mostly that it's members of a community that isn't your community.

Part of it is that people assume the shooters are sane with sane motivations. Animals, maybe, but rational animals.

But something like this happens and it happens to a community that expects to be safe and it happens in a way that CAN NOT be guarded against or avoided by avoiding the bad part of town. This makes people feel insecure so they immediately want to try to figure out how to feel safe again.

chickelit said...

Could you use your highly tuned gaydar on the murderous little shit who led to this thread topic?

It's plausible that he was a repressed gay. His victims were both sexes, so he could have been lashing out at heterosexuality instead of just women. But you'll never even hear that question asked in Hollywood.

The tiny cock theory of Titus works too.

Lem said...

Hijacking A Mass Murder To Boost Self-Esteem

I thought it was the work of prejudice to make the kind of leaps #YesAllWomen is making.

I mean, if it's to do it in one case, how come not in others?

#YesAllBlank

Aridog said...

Synova....I accept your reasoning as part of the answer. Funny how really sick news, such as the beating of Steve Utash in my hometown barely made a ripple nationally. Utash was white, in a metro area where we're rather well mixed, but in Detroit it is over 8+:1 black over white. Steven Utash did not expect to be beaten to within an inch of his life, for stopping to help a kid he'd bumped with his car.

I live in a neighborhood where I am the one in 9:1 ratio, adjacent to other neighborhoods where it is 8+:1 or 7:1, etc. I am very good at situational awareness to use a fancy term for street smart.

Sorry, but I think it is more media liberal narrative at work than the who and where of it all. Media may utilize the not-expected-here concept, false as it is (none of us, black, white brown, etc wants to die, or expects to) to get started, but they go far beyond that and glorify killers which attracts more "psychopathic narcissists" and gives them a venue to seek their own aggrandizement.

Those 9 dead folks in Chicago plus the 36 wounded, including 6 children, are every bit as important as some Hollywood snot brat...except to our beloved media.

So is Steve Utash...be at least he's still alive after a month+ in ICU in an induced coma. I am still waiting for some leaders from both sides of the racial fence to address the idiocy that was the beating of Steve Utash....and get national forum for the addressing.

I am naive' I know ...not really. I know what zup.

Lem said...

"Nothing says misogyny, like killing four men."

AllenS

Chip S. said...

What about banging on the door of a sorority house, w the intent to kill everyone inside?

chickelit said...

In any case, Ann Hornaday has shamelessly self-promoted her career. How many had even heard of her before this?

Aridog said...

Synova...BTW, my opinion (mine only) on what caused the Utash beating was a v-e-r-y common in Detroit attempt to be "bumped" by a car, for the insurance payout. In the Utash case, it went wrong when some idiot savages, not in on the scam, went nuts.

But, yeah, cause it's a mostly white liberal town out west, let's keep a national dialog going on Elliot Rodgers...and drag in some fruitcake dude named Seth Rogen int o it all. Who is Seth Rogen again? Anyone outside La La Land know of him even?

Lem said...

Don't let the facts get in the way of a 'good' stereotype.

chickelit said...

Chip S. said...
What about banging on the door of a sorority house, w the intent to kill everyone inside?

The tiny cock theory fits...

Sixty Grit said...

Which reminds me of an old joke...

...the punchline of which, in this case, would be "Why do you think they didn't hear him?"

chickelit said...

Isn't the tiny cock theory consonant with why killers use guns according to liberals? Knives and Beemers too?

Lem said...

To my way of thinking... and that is my liability sometimes ;)... doesn't using the tragedy in mass media, no matter how well intended, act in way to glamorize it?

I'm thinking about how that perspective illusion I posted this morning (a turn in the road) works.

The line between promotion and condemnation could be irreparably blurred by an attempt to parse the baby to one too many aggrieved mothers... if that makes any sense.

Isolating a greater message from this event is... foolish.

Lem said...

"The tiny cock theory fits..."

Lulling luring Lolita... welcome to the other side.

Chip Ahoy said...

When you grocery shop, do people ask, "would you like help with that?"

I'm asking you because I am asked that every single time without exception and it is a bit embarrassing because I am imagining myself giving no clue to needing or wanting any help at all. Yet there it is.

But today it went even further, as I was loading my truck a young and attractive and pleasant woman had just parked her car and was entering. So, busy herself with her own plans. Her shopping ahead of her. But she stopped next to me and asked, "Sir, would you like help with that?" The fourth time today.

"No thank you, I'm fine."

Departing, she turns back, cheerfully, "I like your pants!"

Back home and parked my own cart loaded to take things up, a young man was slightly ahead of me. This is where people slip through the door and go on there way hastening ahead rather than having you slow them down to join them in the elevator. But upon reaching the door, there he was waiting so that I could pass directly through. Grace that you don't always see.

Behold, the power of red pants.

These shrink to fit 501's. I recommend them. Buy several pair. They cause people around you to come out of character. Don't let the color descriptor "jester" dissuade you.

Oh, and the murder dude was privileged, but not privileged enough to suit him, mentally damaged, emotionally scarred, resentful beyond the meaning of the word, angry, self-loathing, all qualities I recognize because I share them in bits here and there and had to work through, at least think about however briefly, he obsessed and was trapped in his own mind. The sad thing is, there are a lot of people out there, perhaps only some people out there, who could have done something with that, people who are attracted to assholes with pixie dicks. There actually are women, and men too I suppose, who actually do prefer pixie dicks with compensating massive egos unable to manage emotionally.

Synova said...

Aridog, it's why the media sees one as a "story" and the other not-so-much.

I'm certainly not saying that it's *right* and part of what the media ought to be doing is their jobs as journalists instead of their jobs as carnival hucksters.

Amartel said...

I don't mind Seth Rogen; he's funny. That scene in "Superbad" where he and whathisname are cops? Hilarious. Pineapple Express could have been great but for the annoying Franco creature. But what I really find amusing is when people who thought they were protected by their progressive privilege are confronted with the thuggish tactics of their would-be allies, the gentle hopenchanger fawns of the anti-gun, pro-environment, social justice, progressive movement.

"Horrified."

Ha ha ha HA, suckers.

You thought the rules wouldn't be applied to you. You thought you had a pass. You thought there were rules and not just circumstances of convenience.

Here's THE PROGRESSIVE RULE (learn it, know it, live it): Success will be punished.
Your success threatens the super wealthy who actually fund the progressive movement and who would prefer not to compete with you (or anyone else). For the greater good, therefore, your success must be sacrificed to the mob of incompetent morons and the rabid crazies seething with resentment, rage, insecurity and failure a/k/a progressive voters.

AllenS said...

For every problem there probably is an easy answer. In the case of Elliot Rodger, instead of spending all of that money on guns, why not just go out and buy some pussy?

Sixty Grit said...

Were we ever to learn the truth about the treatment he has received during his short but miserable life I bet that he has been on a variety of psycho-active drugs since he was young.

That, rather than the anti-NRA theme should get more attention, but of course, libs really like dosing the maleness out of young boys.

Not that there was a lot of maleness in this pouty little poofter to start with, but you know, just sayin'...

Why aren't we hearing anything about his mother's religion?

Lem said...

Departing, she turns back, cheerfully, "I like your pants!"

The few times I've recall being hit on I reacted terribly.

It's tricky thought to know for sure when you are being hit on and when you are not.

Chip S. said...

It's tricky thought to know for sure when you are being hit on and when you are not.

I just assume I'm being hit on.

I'm a Bayesian.

Paddy O said...

"These shrink to fit 501's. I recommend them. Buy several pair."

I just have to note the sheer and perfect J. Petermanness of Chip's @6:18 comment.

I haven't been able to fit in 501s since High School and I clicked the link to consider getting some. Just to carry around.

Lem said...

I haven't been able to fit in 501s since High School and I clicked the link to consider getting some.

Remember to use our Amazon portal.

Aridog said...

Remember to use our Amazon portal.

So that's the translation of Reb-it, Reb-it ;)

Aridog said...

Chip Ahoy ... why are younger folks always surprised a bit when some one acts with what once was common courtesy. I was taught and still act the way I was taught to open doors, for anyone nearing it with you or behind you...just do it and smile. Today I did this for a young woman with her arm obviously in a cast and she looked at me with amazement and nodded her head in acceptance. How odd that is unusual today. No she didn't have on red pants.

It never hurts to notice things however, at the same store when I'd finished shopping and checking out I noticed a Treble Clef tattoo on the lovely young woman's forearm...so I asked, what's that, with a smile. The return smile was beaming...with a short story, as she scanned me out, about she was a musician (flute, piano and guitar) and decided to fill in between real work that she couldn't teach (no patience) so she worked there. She was all of 25 maybe and very pretty...a loveliness that blossomed with that big smile.

I had a nice day, I met a nice person with a future I'm sure. And I've just gone about my day as every other day otherwise.

ricpic said...

Hornaday blames it on white men. But Rogen's a yid. And I can tellya that on some of the sites I frequent (American Renaissance, Taki's Magazine, SBPDL) it's practically an article of faith that yids aren't white. Which I consider a speed bump considering those are the only places where the unsayable gets said. Although frankly, yids of the Askenazic persuasion are almost universally pale, paler than Micks, if that's possible. Finally, blaming anything on white men is like the ability to hit the side of the barn. Big whoop.

ricpic said...

Speaking of compliments from women -- when I was much younger a woman commented favorably on the shape of my butt. To which I made the only appropriate response -- I twerked her.

Known Unknown said...

I blame The Innocence of Muslims.

Known Unknown said...

I held the door open for a gaggle of women entering a flower shop. A horribly cute one gave me a big smile and an enthusiastic "thank you."

I contemplated going back in and buying more flowers.

Unknown said...

Late to comment and I have not read all the comments but -

He slaughtered the 3 guys with a hammer and a machete.


Amartel said...

"But Rogen's a yid. And I can tellya that on some of the sites I frequent (American Renaissance, Taki's Magazine, SBPDL) it's practically an article of faith that yids aren't white."

Yah, I'll bet that's what George Zimmerman thought, too.

Amartel said...

Also every black conservative or Republican in the last 20-30 years.

chickelit said...

Sixty Grit said...
Which reminds me of an old joke...

...the punchline of which, in this case, would be "Why do you think they didn't hear him?"


Tiny cocks can't pick locks.

(that's actually Pink Floyd inspired)

Titus said...

he was 5-4 and part asian, i mean hello?

his dick was the size of your pinky finger.

that was his problem.

doesn't justify killing peeps, but what kind of pleasure is a pinky finger asian uncut cock going to cause a female? none.

he should of looked into cock enlargement therapy.

small cocks have no place in American society, they are invisible yet can be very destructive.

i hate a small cock....we all should deteste and speak out against tiny cocks!!!!!

chickelit said...

I'm afraid that Titus may be right. And it's the only plausible theory that could tested by autopsy.

Sixty Grit said...

Some might find it cruel if you performed an autopsy on Titus.

chickelit said...

Sixty: rumors about Johns Dillinger started in a morgue: link

I do apologize if I'm sounding flippant, but I haven't yet heard a believable theory regarding the perp's motivation. And the people who know aren't saying, apparently.

edutcher said...

Titus never heard of short guys with expansive personalities.

This kid, of course, as the article notes, had other problems, "his richie rich expectations of immediate rewards and deference from lessers, or his utter blindness to what women really desire in men (hint, it isn’t BMWs)"

chickelit said...

This kid, of course, as the article notes, had other problems, "his richie rich expectations of immediate rewards and deference from lessers, or his utter blindness to what women really desire in men (hint, it isn’t BMWs)"

I listened to a bit of John & Ken on KFI AM and they had the same theory I put forth here when the story broke -- the kid just gave off negative vibes. There's really no better explanation why he purports that not one single woman ever even looked at him. It's all so implausible -- unless of course he made it all up. That's what I mean about the people who no being silent: parents, classmates, teachers, anyone.

Lem said...

I blame The Innocence of Muslims.

Too cute by half.

Sixty Grit said...

What do you mean by that, Lem?

Lem said...

...the kid just gave off negative vibes.

His 'manifesto' bares that out.

And another thing, what is the threshold qualifying the scribbling's of a mental case the literary title of 'manifesto'?

C’mon

Sixty Grit said...

Did someone say manifesto?

Lewinsky and Clinton have shown
What Kaczynski must surely have known
That an intern is better
Than a bomb in a letter
When deciding how best to be blown.

Lem said...

"What do you mean by that, Lem?"

I was hoping to squeeze that run in there ;)

chickelit said...

Why do we use the italian-sounding word manifesto anyway? Why not just the word "manifest" as in a ship's litany of cargo.

chickelit said...

Is it destiny?

Sixty Grit said...

Destino - la forza del. It is inescapable.

chickelit said...

Other than obvious beauty, Italian lends a certain rinascimento sense of reasonability to words.

chickelit said...

Va fa un culo!

See what I mean? Even the profane smells like a rose!

Sixty Grit said...

Joe Green agrees.

Now I must bid adieu to my most recent, and perhaps best Emily Litella effort ever.

Never mind...

XRay said...

edutcher kinda hits it there at 9:06. What difference does it make how small, or large it may have been. No one ever saw it until now when the coroner gets their chance. We make the same statement, or at least I do, about those with large trucks.

I don't think we can ever come close to a satisfactory explanation of such idiocy other than the, somewhat now, trite excuse of insane.

This is disrespect to those are truly, just, insane.

Actually this reminds of an article I am reading about Kaczynski, the Unabomber. It's long and I haven't finished it yet. But one of the first conclusions of the author is that no matter how much the 'authorities' (law, academia, the democrats) tried to make him out insane, his manifesto was normal to most of those I just mentioned. And his killings not so far removed from what those folks really think just before they go to sleep at night.

Lem said...

Manifesto is just so that we can hear ourselves saying/writing it.

Once again, I think you two have inchiodare.

XRay said...

Well fuck. Sixty at 9:45.

To this hillbilly, manifest is what you got. Manifesto is what you want.

Lem said...

So a 'manifesto' is just a grocery list?

I was under the impression it was a little more.

chickelit said...

Were Martin Luther's 95 Theses a litany or a manifesto?

XRay said...

10:15 that's actually a good summation I think. Just that the market you are in may not carry those particular goods.

Lem said...

A litany sounds less... magnifico, sympatico.

Meade said...

"Nothing says misogyny, like killing four men."

No, murdering the 2 women is what says misogyny.

Killing the 5 men says homophobia/gay hate/self hate.

Lem said...

For the record.. I haven't read the writings of the one vaunted mass killer wanabe.

I got better things to do.

XRay said...

A litany that later became a manifesto?

Or, vice vesa.

Lem said...

Did I just properly use the word 'vaunted' in a sentence?

I guess I can rest easy now.

The Red Sox are leading 6 to 3 in the ninth.

XRay said...

I thought I did too, better things to do.

But so far it is a very well done, with lessons for the present and the future.

http://m.theatlantic.com/past/docs/issues/2000/06/chase.htm

chickelit said...

Lem said...
Did I just properly use the word 'vaunted' in a sentence?

You vaulted over its true meaning like a linguistic gymnast.

Lem said...

oh well... stopped once again.

Lem said...

GayPatriot ‏@GayPatriot · 1m
We need to have a national conversation about ending the use of the word "manifesto"

Somebody up there likes us... well, maybe it also occurred to him independently. There is always that possibility.

William said...

Writers sometimes use the device of giving villainous characters in roman a clef novels a small dick. This is libel insurance. No one wants to take possession of a small dick in a libel suit......This tactic might work in the case of assassins and mass murderers. For some of them, part of their motivation is the wish to be famous and significant. If shrinks and talking heads went on television and explained how the killer was raging against the shame of penile puniness, this might inhibit other future killers from pursuing a similar course of action. At the Tsarnaev trial, a shrink can testify that the young man was acting out his rage at having a microphallus and chronic bed wetting problems. This should be the standard explanation for every act of tabloid evil. We could thus, perhaps, avoid the conundrum of giving fame and significance to people whose lives deserve to be forgotten. Let them be remembered as minor dicked bed setters.

chickelit said...

William said...
Writers sometimes use the device of giving villainous characters in roman a clef novels a small dick.

Certainly not Melville!

XRay said...

Very good, except for that damn last typo. :)

Though, on second thought, maybe that's just what you meant.

As some have their forum due to bed setting, gardens, whatever.

Lem said...

I wholeheartedly concur with Williams here on the a... you know, penile diminution thing.

Lem said...

You know, I had a circumcision when I was a teenager...

If I start writing funny... I mean funny crazy... you know what to do ;)

chickelit said...

If Titus' view is a true window into the gay male soul, then being small-dicked is just about the worst curse -- probably even worse than being fat. So getting back to Lem's original question, I posit that Eliot Rodger was both gay and under-endowed. It's circumcisional evidence, but it explains all the facts.

Lem said...

"circumcisional evidence..."

I got it hand it to you... wait.

Paddy O said...

"Were Martin Luther's 95 Theses a litany or a manifesto?"

he was staging a conversation

chickelit said...

an "international conversation"

Aridog said...

I think William has a great idea. If the media would make a giant whoop-de-do about tiny penis syndrome (whatever that is...facts are not important to national media) every time a tragedy like this one occurs...it just might discourage future ones if the notoriety will be as a pin dicked bed wetter.

President-Mom-Jeans said...

If he was a closet pillow biter, I would assume it will come out when they get ahold of the little dipshits computer.

Well, I take that back, that messes with the media narrative of the privileged white male NRA member. I have no reason to believe that would come out.

Not like he is a half Asian steeped in liberal Hollywood bullshit Young Turks subscribing possible pole smoker or anything.

Sixty Grit said...

The media has no interest in preventing these things - their bread and butter is anti-American agitprop. This homicidal little twerp will remain a right wing nutjob in perpetuity.

Titus said...

just for clarification chick being fat is worse than a small cock in the gay world! fat is the gay cardinal sin.

Aridog said...

Titus...for once (remind me if there's been other times) I agree with you.

"Fat" is the de rigueur bad fashion choice in the gay world. At least based upon the regular gay folk I know (and socialize with)..e.g., regular jobs, no outlandish crap, ordinary people, just like me otherwise, not fab, yada yada.

BTW..."Fab" is not Martha's Vineyard...IMO, "Fab" is the Russian River resorts near Santa Rosa, California.

And, I repeat myself, NO, Memorial Day is not a holiday. Thinking of it as such is to dishonor the dead who made our life styles possible, gay or hetero. You don't think so? Move to Afghanistan or Iraq then...and check-it-out.

Vietnam was more tolerant...check out the movie "Good Morning Vietnam!" Not very realistic in some sense, but very on the money in others.

Nobody was "vaycaying" anywhere fun, just rying to survive...some did not, THAT is what Memorial Day is all about. BTW...the day doesn't happen until Saturday...the fucking government made it last Monday for shits and giggles...as a "holiday"...the assholes just could not help themselves.

Meade said...

Stop hitting on Titus, Airdog. He's married.

Plus, you're not his type.

chickelit said...

@Meade: Is that you aping Titus on your wife's blog:

"Fuck you we won"?

Here's a rerun of my Titus impression: chirbit. The actual text is neatly coiled in a little pile at Troop's.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

There's not enough emotion and pompous pontificating on this thread.

But there is more here than in other quarters.

Let's give it up to the righties for giving our political discourse the reason-free, pompous emoting that it needs. Just what the nation cries out for: More emotion, less problem solving, more vengeance.

Clearly the prescription to follow for societies to become civilized.

XRay said...

You're such an ass R&B.

I wouldn't follow you into a KFC.

Much less a society.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

Are you sure that needlessly insulting comment of yours was emotional enough, Xray?

It's funny how the righties think that anger and contempt aren't emotions.

As long as we don't show concern or sadness, it's all good. Only negative emotions like anger and contempt are the right ones, is what I'm hearing from Xray.

Thanks for that insight.