Monday, September 9, 2013
Zimmerman 911
Something's weird about the just-released 911 audio for the latest Zimmerman event: (audio link). The beginning is heavily edited, including exactly how Shellie Zimmerman ID'd herself and her estranged husband. But it's quite clear that she needed to get that bit of notoriety out there first before even describing the scene.
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If NBC got to the 9/11 tape first - they altered and edited it. That's what they do.
Shellie isn't exactly a credible witness these days. Not saying that I have an opinion on what happened, just that I intend to wait and see.
I'll bet someone is paying Shellie-to do this.
I might be wrong - but that's my gut feeling.
I certainly am not going to defend the Z-man if he in fact is losing his mind and acting this crazy. I find it hard to believe he'd be so stupid.
I find it hard to believe he'd be so stupid.
We really don't know anything about Zimmerman, other than he wanted to be a policeman or something.
Getting pulled over for speeding...
Not too swift.
Touring the factory where they made the gun that he used to shoot Martin was the real high point, for me, of Zimmerman's post-acquittal actions. That's just going to look bad. Period.
[ducks, runs for cover]
The blood lust for a lynching has taken hold of my Woodstock FB friends.
They know, as they always have, that he's guilty and deserves to be lynched.
The only question is what crime he should be charged with.
Zimmermann's a good guy. It's been verified too many times.
And I agree with April. Ms Shell was very ambivalent a week or two ago, but now...
Lem - I forgot about the speeding.
Not too swift indeed.
Getting pulled over for speeding...
Not too swift.
Happened to me a few months ago...too swift.
Everybody speeds everyday. Getting busted for speeding only proves you drive a car, and you are not Asian.
Anti-Zimmerman stories do don't draw the same kind of exquisite sensitivity that anti-Trayvon stories do
Unexpectedly!
Something about this does not smell right. Zimmerman showed on numerous occasions before, during and after the Trayvon incident that he acts with reasoned restraint. Marital relations often make people act outside their normal boundaries, but his wife has suddenly become his enemy, and that seems strange at this point. Follow the money.
I had one heated argument during my bitter divorce. Never threatened anyone, but was threatened by the ex-.
All I can say is that given the pressure of the trial, the feeling that the entire racist federal government is trying to railroad you on trumped up charges must be like living under a microscope.
Then, factor in an ugly divorce, a soon-to-be ex- with unknown motives, all I can say is she is lucky he didn't snuff the bitch.
People can be pushed too far.
Any ideas on why they are divorcing? Just curious.
@armatel: Is your 7:44 a question or deliberately ambiguous?
There is nothing here, there is no crime. Still, Zimmerman would be wise to give her the dogs and pretty much stay away from her.
I agree - he cannot win. He needs to move, change his name, change his appearance and stay out of the media eye.
Something about this does not smell right. ... his wife has suddenly become his enemy... Follow the money.
I concur.
If I were Zimmerman, I'd sue the snot out of NBC for editing the 9/11 tape, and then leave the country and start a new life in New Zealand.
Obama should step in it and say "if GZ were my son, he'd sound just like me."
The wife's turnabout is probably the result of her perjury conviction. She thought she took a bullet for him.
Also, the intense pressure of this fiasco had to take a hell of a toll on them individual, and on their marriage.
Speeding while Zimmerman - the most hated man in America thanks to the media and the president - is reckless. He really should attempt to fly under the radar.
I think he should focus on the fat and become a Jenny Craig spokeswoman.
You know, it is hard to watch a well intentioned guy get slaughtered by the media.
So what are they trying to prove?
Justify to themselves that they were right to judge George Zimmerman as a guilty SOB even if his unfortunate, killing of the wannabe thug Martin was legal self defense. That's what.
While I understand that this kind of stress is a near guarantee of divorce, I wonder how much money Shelly has been promised.
Sad. And evil.
Titus has a point. Maybe he just got too fat for her. He did explode.
Any ideas on why they are divorcing? Just curious.
I have been trying to avoid this story, as I tried to avaoid the trial (and ended up following Andrew Branca ... excellent.)
The only thing I saw was she was quoted as saying George was "selfish."
Um.
He is human.
If George Zimmerman was blind none of this would have happened. Except in Iowa of course.
Shellie is shellfish.
Something about this does not smell right. Zimmerman showed on numerous occasions before, during and after the Trayvon incident that he acts with reasoned restraint.
I wonder what changed all that. Hmmm.
Then, factor in an ugly divorce, a soon-to-be ex- with unknown motives, all I can say is she is lucky he didn't snuff the bitch.
People can be pushed too far.
The pre-emptive defense hereby retains Sixty Grit, Non-Esquire, as its counsel. And I somehow imagine this trial not going as well. When better evidence in the form of clearer audiotapes provokes entrenched defenses, you know that the whole damn stupid cause (of Zimmerman's somehow inherently angelic and in-all-cases utterly innocent nature) is as lost as it should have ever been.
Not all punks wear hoodies. Some don the attire of and mantle of "protector". But those of us who never stoop to worshipping authority already knew that.
Even Tim, who has plenty of cops in his family, knows that much. Wearing the right clothes, pretending to fight the "right" cause and hating those who get in your way does not a righteous man make.
I will know enjoy watching the ensuing Mel Gibsification of Mr Zimmerman immensely.
His excuses (and those offered here on his behalf, without any knowledge of or concern for the facts) are as ridiculous as those of the average terrorist: "They (or my wife) made me do it! Waaaahhhahaha!"
Grow up.
You know, it is hard to watch a well intentioned guy get slaughtered by the media.
JAL channels Jodie Foster.
Mel Gibson's a great guy. Really, he is!
None of you know much of anything about this man. Continue to provide in absentia character witnesses for him, though. Too funny.
This is what President Treyvon and our liar ass media have done to the Zimmerman family.
Speeding while Zimmerman - the most hated man in America thanks to the media and the president -
Here comes another new one. The president made Zimmerman do it! It's Obama's fault she called 911.
Shellie is shellfish.
Folks, that's just flat-out funny.
Balls doesn't know balls about the real story.
I dare you to fathom the truth for a change.
Any ideas on why they are divorcing? Just curious.
Um, because he could possibly be an unrestrained asshole.
Just a theory.
Even if he was innocent of killing Martin in anything other than self-defense, let's not pretend that makes him a decent guy.
The rest of you are like, well, she pushed him to it. Apparently this means you accept he's not a saint.
But the even likelier possibility is that he just might not be all that great a guy, either.
Again, you weren't there. In either case. Stop pretending to be in any place for vouching for his character.
It reminds me of the neighborhood yokels who say they never suspected the local serial killer of being anything other than the nicest, most quiet guy. Only in this case, you can't even claim access to that.
I was not, in my previous comment, trying to intimate that Zimmerman is a great guy.
I have absolutely no idea what kind of guy Zimmerman is.
You don't have to think a guy is a saint to think it's a bad idea to set him up as the demon "white racist" and stage a political trial with him as the star. Particularly when he's not even white.
He might be a complete asshole. How would I know?
The way he was used by Sharpton, Holder and Obama was a travesty. I don't need to know Zimmerman's character to say that.
We're talking about the way he behaved/behaves with his estranged wife, April. Not the other pressures in a life that he chose for himself. Remember, pursuing Martin was a choice - one discouraged by the authorities. He now has to accept the outcome of that choice. Legally, he's free. But public opinion requires no conformity to the constraints of a trial that presumes innocence.
If you're a new breed of Republican conservative that feels personal responsibility no longer applies, or at least selectively so in a case like his, please feel free to step forward and admit that so we can confirm the banishment of that party to the political wilderness until such time as it decides that such talking out the both sides of one's mouth hypocrisy is no longer profitable.
No, Balls. The president said "I could be Treyvon. Treyvon could be my son".
Obama inserted himself based on race alone. Certainly not on the facts.
To hammer home my point....
Lots of folks who are irredeemable assholes get trapped in the machinations of evil political machines.
Solzhenitzn wrote about this at length. Some of the best characters in his novels are communist party hacks who've been thrown into the Gulag.
The hacks kept the faith, and wrote letters to Uncle Joe telling him that he'd made a mistake in their case, that it was all an misunderstanding, and would he please send them a ticket home?
Dear Balls -
George turned around and was walking back to his truck when Treyvon jumped him and smashed his head into the pavements and broke his nose.
Ritmo,
One of my late wife's favorite sayings was...
Everybody is precisely where they need to be to learn what they need to learn.
I have no idea why Zimmerman found himself in that situation.
But, no, nothing is ever an accident. There is a reason that Zimmerman has fallen into this abyss, but I'll be damned if I know what that reason might be. I don't know Zimmerman personally.
Obama inserted himself based on race alone.
As Zimmerman did to Trayvon Martin.
Balls shows up with a new package of strawmen every time. Stand back and watch them burn.
Remember, pursuing George was a choice. Jumping George and smashing his head into the pavement while pummeling him with punches and breaking his nose was a choice.
Treyvon chose poorly.
I have no idea why Zimmerman found himself in that situation.
Oh please! Give me a break already. When the cops tell you not to pursue someone with your gun and your high-and-mighty self-image of neighborhood protector-in-chief, here's a hint: Don't do it.
But I'm sorry to interrupt the script. Zimmerman's somehow a hero of some sort. Therefore, destiny and all.
As Zimmerman did to Trayvon Martin.
Yes, but we don't know yet whether or not that was justified.
The subdivision Zimmerman lived in had suffered a rash of home invasions by young black men.
If a civil trial actually makes it to court, we might find out whether Zimmerman was justified. Martin's juvenile court was not allowed in the criminal trial. It will be allowed in the civil trial.
Some pretty reliable sources have reported that Martin had been involved in at least one burglary as a juvenile.
We'll find out if there is a civil trial. I say, if, because that civil trial might never happen if Martin does have a juvenile record for burglary.
Treyvon chose poorly.
I'm assuming you think all Zimmerman's choices (a much older, but not much wiser man) were great ones, though.
If he's so great, why does he need your defenses, April? They sure don't seem to be all that iron-clad. I guess if I was left to nothing other than the goodwill of anonymous internet commenters who have nothing to spout but opinions all day, I'd be as desperate as Zimmerman.
But he's a hero! I know. Cue the tears. Yada yada yada. A martyr, too, maybe even.
Ritmo, cool out and don't go off one of you idiot toots.
I said quite clearly that I have no idea of Zimmerman's character.
Oh please! Give me a break already. When the cops tell you not to pursue someone with your gun and your high-and-mighty self-image of neighborhood protector-in-chief, here's a hint: Don't do it.
My guess is that plenty of neighborhood watch guys have made this error (if it is an error) without being made the scapegoat for white racism by the president.
And Zimmerman isn't even white.
Yes, but we don't know yet whether or not that was justified.
By criminal law, that great precedent of presumed innocence unless proven beyond a reasonable doubt sure worked wonders for him.
But that is not the standard that public opinion requires. Nor should it. Maybe it shouldn't have been applied to any racial lens (although your comment seems to repudiate that possibility). The thing is, defying the cops and common sense carries consequences.
So, there was a racial can of worms, the guy was older (and presumed wiser), armed, he'd already called the cops... He had every damn advantage in the book. And still, that wasn't good enough for him. So a lot of people think that alone incriminates him in ways the law can't.
And now, this.
Isn't this show of trying out every possible argument for his beneficence getting just a tad desperate?
Strawmen and placing words I never used (on one ever used) = weak argument, Balls.
Who here said "hero"?
No one.
Tell us again why it was a good idea for Treyvon Martin to jump on top of George Zimmerman, (who was walking back to his truck), and punch him so hard Treyvon broke Zimmerman's nose and smashed his head into the pavement until it bled.
I said quite clearly that I have no idea of Zimmerman's character.
Yes.
And alas, that's what's being judged now. Based on all the ample evidence that he keeps finding ways to provide.
Just because you're moving from a presumed defense to baffled skepticism doesn't mean a hell of a lot of other people can't move from outright unease to something worse. You just came at it years back from a different starting point.
Tell us again why it was a good idea for Treyvon Martin to jump on top of George Zimmerman, (who was walking back to his truck), and punch him so hard Treyvon broke Zimmerman's nose and smashed his head into the pavement until it bled.
Talk about a straw man. There's the biggest one yet.
And BTW, you're misspelling Mr. Martin's name.
Not a biggie, but as long as you're going to fight your accusation of my strawman with a rather egregious strawman of your own...
So, there was a racial can of worms...
What would that be? Zimmerman's mother is Peruvian. All throughout Latin America he would be called "mestizo."
Al Sharpton, the idiot racist, forgot to do his homework before he started the agitation. He thought Zimmerman was white.
The NY Times also failed to fact check. They took Sharpton at his word.
That "racial can of worms" was a complete fraud. Sharpton tried to set this episode up as a classic case of "white racism."
And, no, Ritmo, I can't judge the character of man I don't know through media reports.
Neither can you.
Oh, ok. It was Sharpton that did it.
You really want to go there?
I remind you that, earlier, you basically admitted that you think Zimmerman (apparently justifiably) pursued Martin because of racial presumptions.
I don't see how pushing this angle will go well for you.
How is stating the facts of what actually happened in the case, a strawman?
Did Treyvon not do those things?
Answer my question, Balls.
And, no, Ritmo, I can't judge the character of man I don't know through media reports.
How about a 911 tape? You act like his effect on others should be ignored.
I guess we need the original voice.
Some things just smell bad, man. There's no crime to going on less than 100% evidence. Unless you're a true believer.
Dear Balls -
George turned around and was walking back to his truck when Trayvon jumped him and smashed his head into the pavement and broke his nose.
How is this a Strawman Argument?
Injecting Mel Gibson is strawman.
I don't see how pushing this angle will go well for you.
The perps of the home invasions were all reported to be black men in the range of 18-25.
Here, Ritmo, I'll throw you the bait to make a complete asshole out of yourself.
Martin belongs to precisely the demographic that commits the vast majority of crime.
Go for it, shithead. This ought to set the idiot wheels in your brain spinning.
Deny reality. Go ahead, asshole. Revert to the ass sucking guilty white liberal shit. You're good at it.
I'm going to enjoy the show. You're such a dumb fucking kid.
Al Sharpton, the idiot racist, forgot to do his homework before he started the agitation. He thought Zimmerman was white.
That is correct. "Zimmermann" means carpenter in German. It's also the birth name of a 1960's prophet many mistook for another carpenter. The name speaks white.
Before we even start, shithead...
Here's my proposition.
Wanna visit Newark at 2 a.m. with me?
I know how to handle myself. Do you.
but but but... Mel Gibson! Mel Gibson!
@ST: Please don't go nuclear on Ritmo as we both did on TOP. Liberals are endangered species here.
@Ritmo: There is little to be gained by rehashing the verdict of the Martin/Zimmerman trial. He was not guilty of the charges according to the verdict.
The perps of the home invasions were all reported to be black men in the range of 18-25.
Hmmm. I wonder why that wasn't brought up at Zimmerman's trial? Actually, I don't. It's because racism isn't an excuse for killing. Everyone knows that. The same presumed innocence of Zimmerman protects Martin from being pursued and/or killed in an altercation for being black.
This is the reason why Seven Machos pummeled your posterior into the ground for being a racist. Because you are saying race matters in how the law is pursued - even though the Constitution, pretty clearly in fact, disagrees with you.
But I can see you devolving into the usual profane vulgarity and other assorted displays of lickspittlery. Always a bad sign, and one you can never seem to avoid. It's like you're always a hair-trigger away from a mad, racist, vulgar rant on nearly every issue that ever engages your furied mind.
Try getting a hold of your rage, Dude. It clearly controls you, at this point.
And really, try to behave - at least for the sake of your betters running the site. This is not TOP.
@Ritmo: There is little to be gained by rehashing the verdict of the Martin/Zimmerman trial. He was not guilty of the charges according to the verdict.
I know, Pollo. I'm not rehashing the verdict. He won the verdict, and that's that. That's what I keep telling April and Shouty.
But the circumstances that led to that sad event still unfortunately stand, and are remembered in the public mind.
Zimmerman's job, at this point, was to reverse those concerns.
But he seems to be doing everything he can to do the opposite, to justify them.
And that's what April and Shouty get so incensed by.
Hmmm. I wonder why that wasn't brought up at Zimmerman's trial?
Because it wasn't relevant.
The defense didn't need to present that at trial to win the case.
Another cowardly white boy pretending to bleed for black people. What a ridiculous little boy you are, Ritmo.
Van Susteren just ran a clip of Shellie Zimmerman's 911 call.
This stinks; her language is very artificial.
The thing to keep in mind here is that Zimmerman arrived at what was still also his home and finds his ever-loving wife and father-in-law stripping it of their joint assets.
Come on, Ritmo, give it your best shot.
It's hard to find a more ridiculous posturing fraud than you.
Another cowardly white boy pretending to bleed for black people. What a ridiculous little boy you are, Ritmo.
Don't forget to levy that accusation against Seven Machos, too.
I'm refusing to say that Martin's race should have compelled Zimmerman to pursue him into an altercation. You, apparently, think it should have. Or at least, you have some obsession with Martin's race as being a mitigating factor in the events leading to Zimmerman's trial.
You are the one obsessed with race, just not in the way that the American people or its Constitution find very attractive.
You fancy yourself quite the victim, don't you?
Doesn't it ever get boring?
Come on, Ritmo, keep it going.
As I said, it's hard to find a idiot of your depth.
Come on, Ritmo, give it your best shot.
Oh, boy. Here comes the big gorilla, beating his chest.
It's hard to find a more ridiculous posturing fraud than you.
More ad hominems and assertions without evidence. (What else did my polygraph tell you, BTW?)
Pollo, feel free to let me know at any time when I should stop dangling this raging insect from his web. Apparently, he has quite a lot of things to hold on to - many more than I do. Thanks. I know how loathe your crew is to moderate, so I'm offering to moderate myself on behalf of Shouty's immoderate rage, seeing as how he's the one with the least self-control of all of us, if you feel it will help keep the discussion from devolving into... well, into whatever race-based yammering he's fixated on turning it into.
Martin's race probably is the explanation. Black men of his age commit the vast majority of crime.
And if Martin had survived and gone to trial, I'm guessing that's part of the great well of evidence you'd present at oral arguments.
Nicely done, Mr. "I'm not the racist".
You're just a piece of shit.
More evidence of your amazing capacity for self-control and powers of the intellect.
Who here was arguing for Zimmerman's wife being responsible for his inability to control himself?
I'm sure Mr Potty-Mouth here will find sympathy in that.
If you like, contact me.
It's more fun watching you self-destruct at your inability to say something intelligent online.
ST and Ritmo, take it outside!
What does evidence or even sanity have to do with kicking a moron like you in the nuts, Ritmo?
Perhaps these violent morsels could be used at your "self-defense" trial. Lol.
My apologies, Phil.
It's hard to resist giving this little turd his due.
Too funny!
I'm offering (to cut it off), Phil! All Pollo has to do is say the word. I assume he's still in the audience.
It's hard to resist giving this little turd his due.
Scintillating.
I'm not interested in entertaining you, Ritmo.
That's enough for tonight, kid.
It's been fun.
I really wasn't entertained by it.
But you claim you were, so I guess that's one more thing that you do better with yourself than with others gathered for the purpose of partaking in it.
@R&B: I'm still here.
Lol, thanks Pollo. But it looks like the immolated one has self-mollified.
Anyway, I'm looking at your avatar at this moment and thinking of Dudley Do-Right, given the circumstances!
In any event, glad we could try policing this one ourselves. On to the next conflagration! (Or hopefully, not).
How are things going, otherwise?
Ritmo ruined Althouse blog - for a time at least - and if you respond to him here, he will ruin this place.
Only if you only have unintelligent things to say, Hagar.
And I don't see you (or anyone else, FWIW) defending Shouty's horrible comments, so maybe they weren't all that defensible.
Don't use comments you can't defend as a lazy excuse for piling on. That's just parasitic.
@R&B: this name and avatar was bestowed upon me by one MamaM at the TY blog. I may retire it for time (like a jersey) and go retro. This would be akin to you coming back out as Montana Urban Legend.
I say go forward instead of reverse, Pollo. But the pic sure seems to work for now.
Amazing:
Ritmo -28 Posts
Shouting Thomas - 23
April - 21
Pollo - 9
No reason for anyone else to show up.
Lol.
Do you know your ABCs, too, RC, or is it just your ability to count to 30 that you'll dazzle us with today?
I want to hear nursery rhymes!
And I don't see you (or anyone else, FWIW) defending Shouty's horrible comments, so maybe they weren't all that defensible.
I learn from many of ST's comments, as I do from yours. So they all stand in my little court.
I am not going to bother to read all R&B's posts, but what I have read indicates that he has a reading comprehension problem, or some kind of audio/visual disconnect.
But intellectual dishonesty is actually the most accurate take.
R&B made been several outright misrepresentations of the facts (that is spelled f - a - c - t - s) of the Zimmerman trial. I see some have tried to correct them. but fugettaboutit guys. The reality based crowd writes their own script. (How else do they keep asserting that GZ was pursuing TM and disobeyed the police order to not follow him?)
The Narrative has to be preserved, the hell with the testimony of numerous (as in multiple, as in more than one or two) people. These were people with nothing to gain, and, given the climate created by the racemongers Sharpton and Obama, much to lose.
I will mention the character issue. I do not know George Zimmerman's heart -- but based on testimony offered in the trial (watch it, read it, it is all there) adults of different races and occupations -- LEOs to disabled neighbors -- give high credence to George Zimmerman as being an okay guy, and even more than that, someone who would go out of his way to be a good neighbor, a go-to guy who cared about people.
So I am tired of people shitting on a poor guy trying to do the right thing who got bushwhacked by a young black male with behavioral problems who had issues with white crackers.
It appears George has made some poor choices (speeding tickets) in the recent weeks. This is the guy who has lived under incredibly intense psychological pressure, scrutiny and a definitely reality based fear for his life for over a year.
The goal of the left seems to be to drive this man to self destruct, the sooner the better, so they can do a victory dance on his grave.
Hell is hell. But there are times when I wish I could say there is a special place in hell for people like that.
Notice how tih R&B's arrival the comments go to hell?
Hellooooo....hellllloooo....helllloooo....echo.....chamber. The only time this place gets hopping is when there is controversy. This place will die a slow boring death, because echo chambers are only amusing for a short while, then it gets boring fast. Whatever will they do when no hapless liberals comment here anymore?
The only time this place gets hopping is when there is controversy.
Isn't that true most anywhere? Althouse exemplifies (recently): some posts get several dozen comments now; others a paltry few. Controversy correlates.
Whatever will they do when no hapless liberals comment here anymore?
We'll invent them. I'll play one on TV.
That being said, there's no reason to come here to disingenuously and maliciously disparage conservatives.
Whatever will they do when no hapless liberals comment here anymore?
Although my hap has been a bit off this year, I'm still a liberal, "fiona". Just not your kind of liberal, I guess.
Is R&B "hapless"? I think he could hap the shit out of you, honey.
Why do you keep stopping by? What do you have to add to the discussion?
Whenever you appear, the hap level of this blog really seems to shrink.
What JAL said at 12:33.
Update: Shellfish Shellie changes her story again.
In an audio recording of Shellie Zimmerman's 911 call, she can be heard saying Zimmerman smashed an iPad she was holding and cut it with a pocket knife, struck her father in the nose and threatened both while putting a hand on a gun.
Deputy Police Chief Colin Morgan said officers did not recover a gun, and Bracknell said Shellie Zimmerman later dropped her claim that a gun was involved.
"Domestic violence can't be invoked because she has changed her story and says she didn't see a firearm," Bracknell said.
Okay, at some point this thread blew up. I'm almost afraid to look. Almost.
Shellie is shellfish.
And Jeremiah is a bull frog.
Oh, Ritmo got involved.
Um, because he could possibly be an unrestrained asshole.
Just a theory.
Another theory is that she is a confirmed liar and he's tired of her shit. There's a bit of evidence for this POV because she HAS been found guilty of perjury, and police have already pointed out several problems in her current story. (E.g., where Zimmerman was when the police arrived, that Zimmerman did NOT have a gun when the police arrived, that Shellie Shelfish's father did not appear to have a broken nose, and probably others that I've missed.)
Personally, I think Zimmerman is a well-intentioned knucklehead, but I don't put more stock in the knuckleheadedness than I do the intentions.
"Lake Mary Police are now questioning the validity of several statements Shellie Zimmerman made when she told 911 dispatchers her estranged husband, George Zimmerman, threatened her and her father at gunpoint Monday afternoon."
From some "news" site somewhere.
But that won't prevent Rit Mo from doubling down on stupid.
Protect The Narrative! Zimmerman Bad! Condition, rinse, recycle, repeat. A Child was Murdered by a Would-be Cop, who Chased him down a Dark Alley and Shot Him Unprovoked because he was Black. Pray for the soul of St Trayon.
None shall interrupt The Narrative by pointing out facts lest ye be accused of spreading Anti-Trayvonistic Heresy which is Racist.
Anti-Zimm Bullshit is always welcome, however.
Must have our daily Two Minutes of Hate!
April Apple,
I believe it's the same set of straw men we've seen before. It's an army of zombie straw men that lives forever in Lefty's Brain.
Sometime earlier this summer when the "Women are evil" threads blew up, Crack mentioned that when he went through a divorce, his ex wife called the cops and said, "There's a black man in my house." I couldn't believe that sort of thing actually happened. After this whole thing with the Zimmermans and what it appears to be, I most definitely can.
Shellie said in her 9/11 call that she did see a gun.
So she's either lying or NBC doctored the tape again.
Personally, I think Zimmerman is a well-intentioned knucklehead, but I don't put more stock in the knuckleheadedness than I do the intentions.
That should read:
Personally, I think Zimmerman is a well-intentioned knucklehead, but I put more stock in the knuckleheadedness than I do the good intentions.
I think it's quite possible that both George and his wife are flawed human beings and that their flaws have been magnified both by the stress they're under and the scrutiny they receive. That said, I don't think it's fair to characterize either one of them as dark, sinister Bond villains.....Shouldn't outrage and hatred (or, for that matter, love and support) be in some kind proportion to the sins and virtues involved.....The moral of most tales is that there is no moral to most tales.
Did you have kids Sixty?
I ask, because my parents divorced when I was young. And though I can remember a lot of yelling (generally my mom at my dad because of my dad's coming son --- my mom wasn't pregnant), things never got scary yelling or ever violent. I just wonder if having kids around can temper some of that bad behavior because you know you're going to have to cooperate and see each other at least until your grand kids stop having recitals and what not.
I prefer not to say too much, but I will say that I attended a family function and asked one of my children who that old woman was. That's mom, was the answer.
I didn't even recognize her. Have not spoken to her this century. Have not asked about her, don't know anything about her circumstances, moreover, I don't care.
Amartel said...
Must have our daily Two Minutes of Hate!
This is really all there is to this story. It has no bearing on the simple fact that the Zimmerman case was decided in accordance with the law.
Maybe this was a stunt to milk her 15 minutes, or maybe it was revenge for his alleged affair. Maybe it's something they cooked up together to make a buck. It's even remotely possible some of it is genuine, although almost every accusation included in initial reports has already been refuted by police.
The entire media seems bent on hyping incorrect facts as if they can prove the court decision was wrong. How many times did the leftists complain about "red meat" at Althouse? Easily thousands. But it never bothered them that the entire media complex is their red meat machine.
In short leftists are making fools of themselves. Again.
I'd also note that CNN, at least in their headlines, continues to push the idea that Zimmerman assaulted his soon-to-be-ex and her father, and don't seem to be bothering with the story that has come out since, that the police found several problems with Mrs. Zimmerman's version of events.
But then, they had her on for an exclusive interview recently, so perhaps she's on their payroll.
Hey at least she didn't push him off a cliff.
That's something anyway.
Oh and by the way this site is doing just fine. It is generally getting the same number of comments as TOP. The commenters here are better in my opinion as they are not toady's and lickspittles.
There is a lack of the nastiness that you find at TOP because of the fact that the bloggers are in general good people.
I want to tell you Shouting that I thought of you when our organist was twenty minutes late for Mass this Sunday. I bet you are never late when you have to play.
That's true, Troop.
I am incredibly punctual.
Notice how tih R&B's arrival the comments go to hell?
I've actually been around and commenting since a week after the beginning. Bring up a chemistry topic, if you want something definitely amiable.
(How else do they keep asserting that GZ was pursuing TM and disobeyed the police order to not follow him?)
If this was true then I am in error, and didn't know that it was. But just because something is stated at trial doesn't mean it is true. If what you say is a fact that was not in dispute, then I would have been wrong. I don't know who wrote such a "narrative", as you put it, but these assertions had very wide circulation. If they're wrong, then I'm wrong for re-stating them. But I don't see where they were disputed earlier in the thread.
Sorry I missed that this was what April was trying to say. Apologies.
It's an army of zombie straw men that lives forever in Lefty's Brain.
I recently watched one of the Tenant-Martha Jones Doctor Whos which involved fields of zombie scarecrows. Yuck.
R&B I am amazed that you accepted assertions because they were in "wide circulation," especially about this, and especially when there has been pushback. (Even on TOP where this trial was mentioned?)
For example - to the GM was chasing TM and disobeyed the dispatcher see here.
If you look at Branca's site or legal Insurrection you can find the actual testimony of the dispatcher under oath. And numerous others.
Rinse, repeat, and spit out the "wide circulation" of other media myths. The trial testimony did it over and over again.
For people who want to be well informed about such a high profile and contoversial case it would seem reasonable and wise to follow the facts.
P.S. Branca is a lawyer and he and some other lawyers co-blogged/tweeted during the trial.
R&B I am amazed that you accepted assertions because they were in "wide circulation," especially about this, and especially when there has been pushback. (Even on TOP where this trial was mentioned?)
Yeah, but that was the problem with TOP. She tried so hard to be intentionally antagonistic that it became just as easy to tune out as many others seem to tune out more widely held beliefs. To me, she became like the boy who cried wolf.
Isn't it a bit fallacious to say that something widely believed is more likely to be false? Do you really find that your most closely held beliefs or understandings are more likely to be unknown to most people? Does your appreciation of Judeo-Christian Western Civilization have nothing to do with its widespread acceptance?
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