The fundamentalist group has been banned for most of its 85-year history and repeatedly subjected to crackdowns under Mubarak's rule. While sometimes tolerated with its leaders allowed to be part of the political process, members regularly faced long bouts of imprisonment and arbitrary detentions.
..."We are calling for declaring the Brotherhood as a terrorist group," said Mohammed Abdel-Aziz, one of the leaders of the Tamarod youth movement that had organized mass rallies calling for Morsi's ouster.
..."We are calling for declaring the Brotherhood as a terrorist group," said Mohammed Abdel-Aziz, one of the leaders of the Tamarod youth movement that had organized mass rallies calling for Morsi's ouster.
...Since Morsi was deposed in the popularly backed military coup, the Brotherhood has stepped up its confrontation with the new leadership, rallying thousands of supporters in sit-ins and vowing not to leave until Morsi is reinstated." [my bolding]
"On Thursday afternoon President Barack Obama announced that the U.S. would be cancelling a joint military exercise with the Egyptian Army over its violent crackdown on supporters of the Muslim Brotherhood.
Shortly afterwards, Egypt Independent reported that Putin had called an extraordinary session in the Kremlin to put “all Russian military facilities ‘at the Egyptian military’s disposal.’” The report, which cited several sources without providing any further details about them, also said that “Putin will discuss Russian arrangements for joint-military exercises with the Egyptian army.”
Belmont Club via rhhardin
Added: via Michael Haz: Islamic Society of North America (pdf)
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Add to the mix that our allies, Israel, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia, are calling for President Obama to continue foreign aid to the Egyptian military. Israel claims continued funding is essential to the Egypt-Israel peace treaty, and Qatar and Saudi Arabia claim that the MB is a threat to secular governments in the Middle East. It may seem contradictory that two countries that use their wealth to export fundamentalist Wahabbism/Salafism are anti-MB, except that what the MB and other Islamist groups want is not secular governments, but Islamic Caliphates, which are antithetical to wealthy and decadent emirs and princes working in concert with the Great Satan.
"On Thursday afternoon President Barack Obama announced that the U.S. would be cancelling a joint military exercise with the Egyptian Army over its violent crackdown on supporters of the Muslim Brotherhood.
Shortly afterwards, Egypt Independent reported that Putin had called an extraordinary session in the Kremlin to put “all Russian military facilities ‘at the Egyptian military’s disposal.’” The report, which cited several sources without providing any further details about them, also said that “Putin will discuss Russian arrangements for joint-military exercises with the Egyptian army.”
Belmont Club via rhhardin
Added: via Michael Haz: Islamic Society of North America (pdf)
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Add to the mix that our allies, Israel, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia, are calling for President Obama to continue foreign aid to the Egyptian military. Israel claims continued funding is essential to the Egypt-Israel peace treaty, and Qatar and Saudi Arabia claim that the MB is a threat to secular governments in the Middle East. It may seem contradictory that two countries that use their wealth to export fundamentalist Wahabbism/Salafism are anti-MB, except that what the MB and other Islamist groups want is not secular governments, but Islamic Caliphates, which are antithetical to wealthy and decadent emirs and princes working in concert with the Great Satan.
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I'll bet Vladimir Putin could pick up one of those pyramids and put it right up over his head!
Tough tough situation for the US. Of course for Putin it's a no-brainer. He doesn't respect democracy in the least.
What do da Broz want?
Does it tell us anything that they cheered Rommel as he headed for the gates of Alexandria and Ayman al-Zawahiri was a member at age 14?
Don't care what they want. What I want is for no one to stop muslims from killing each other. I like it when they focus on that.
Loved to have been there when Choom heard Mubarak is coming back.
"I said, 'No!', I want my Broz! No, no, no no, NO!!!!".
Everything that Obama touches, turns to shit. Obviously, that trait is rubbing off on his friends.
Phx ... there was nothing "democratic" about Morsi or the Muslim Brotherhood. He began rule by fiat almost immediately.
That he was ostensibly "elected" is meaningless once he began autocratic rule. The military had enough, said enough, as did most Arab states in the region, he didn't get a clue, so he's done.
Obama and Kerry are idiots. Genuine idiots. Immediate support for the military was the o-n-l-y play call....not to mention our allies both Israeli and Arabic in the area saying the same thing.
Oh, no, Obama knows more how to run Egypt that the 5000+ year old civilization they've had does.
Putin stepped up in to a void....a gift handed to him by Obama on a silver platter.
Fucking idiots, we are being represented by idiots and every backwater piss hole knows it.
Has there EVER been a more inept, foolish, bumbling clueless President? Seriously. Even Carter is beginning to look like a genius.
Obama makes enemies of our allies and empowers Putin to be able to swoop up countries like Egypt, Syria and probably most of the rest of the middle east. Obama is dropping the ball on foreign policy. Hell, Obama doesn't even know where the ball is.
Everything he touches turns to shit. Economic policy, unemployment, Obamacare, energy policy.....everything a complete and total failure and NOW WWIII in the middle east thanks to Obama.
LOL AllenS
We think alike!
Aridog said...
Putin stepped up in to a void....a gift handed to him by Obama on a silver platter.
Not just Putin but Jintao as well. This, I believe is a deliberate orchestration on the part of Urkel to allow the two burgeoning communist states to gain footholds into as much of africa as they can and to form alliances with each other sans the US. Why? Well, Urkel would love nothing better than to diminish any US presence anywhere and to further diminish her prestige and he can do this via people like Clinton and Kerry who shared the same visions of this world power diminishment that he does. This is their goal, this is their agenda, this is their desire, this is their need. They will stop at nothing to allow events to unfold and use them to forge a crisis that never benefits us, but our manchurian allies.
you can see the inroads that China has made into Africa while simultaneously having the US getting shut out. China is spending billions in Africa to secure mineral rights and allegiances to benefit themselves and we do nothing in response but pack up and go home. Their has been no mention of this in the media in any way and it has gone unnoticed now since Urkel has been in office. He's a true traitor and subversive to this country in that he is using the position of POTUS to utter dilute American power wherever it is.
Dust Bunny Queen said...
Has there EVER been a more inept, foolish, bumbling clueless President? Seriously. Even Carter is beginning to look like a genius.
Obama makes enemies of our allies and empowers Putin to be able to swoop up countries like Egypt, Syria and probably most of the rest of the middle east. Obama is dropping the ball on foreign policy. Hell, Obama doesn't even know where the ball is.
Everything he touches turns to shit. Economic policy, unemployment, Obamacare, energy policy.....everything a complete and total failure and NOW WWIII in the middle east thanks to Obama.
I believe this is all deliberate. Better to look like a bumbling fool than to be caught acting as a traitor. When I call him Urkel, it's for a reason.
"Did I do that?" bumbling fool indeed.
Urkel would love nothing better than to diminish any US presence anywhere and to further diminish her prestige and he can do this via people like Clinton and Kerry who shared the same visions of this world power diminishment that he does.
And his daddy would be very proud of him: In snub to Washington, Kenyan president visits China, Russia first
DBQ, we think. It's not much more than that.
Barack Obama is an evil and dangerous man.
I saw this in the queue and thought it was going to be about Muslim Brotherhood history.
You originally said history.
And that made be think of Sayyid Qutb, a man born angry, due to a seriously ucked up-fay spelled name, with its missing and displaced and duplicated vowels, whom Smithsonian talks about like this:
“The American girl is well acquainted with her body’s seductive capacity,” he wrote. “She knows seductiveness lies in the round breasts, the full buttocks, and in the shapely thighs, sleek legs and she shows all this and does not hide it.” These curvy jezebels pursued boys with “wide, strapping chest[s]” and “ox muscles,” Qutb added with disgust. Yet no matter how lascivious his adjectives, the fastidious, unmarried Egyptian could not convincingly portray the church dances and Look magazines he encountered in sleepy Greeley as constituting a genuine sexual “jungle.”
Since then, I've seen encountered that same description a dozen times.
He suffered prejudice. The students at Northern Colorado profiled him
as a nerd.
And did not care for his prissy look fastidious behavior and punctilious choleric imperious sanctimonious ways. He did not play well with others, did not play at all.
I worked with a guy very much like him. The only person I knew actually fiercely political. Guess which party attracted him. If you met him you'd assume he is gay, his mien and his movements are 100% affected, but no, he is deeply traditionally married and fathered and raised two children.
Qutb said all that in what some would have called the prim, Puritanical 50s.
How fucked up do you have to be to regard the Caliphate as some kind of Utopia or Happy Valley?
Barry: Hey General, General Al-Sisi, you didn't build that! Now give it back!
Al-Sisi: Build what?
Barry: That. That chaos - god I love chaos - that my buddy Morsi built. Now give it back!
Al-Sisi: Poor country...
Barry: Egypt? Absolu...ah...a deal? We can always do a...name your price!
Al-Sisi: No, I meant America. In the hands of a devil.
Barack Obama acts as if he is a member of the Muslim Brotherhood.
Barack Obama ignored American law -- which forbids us from sending aid to post-coup governments -- by refusing to classify the miitary coup in Egypt as a coup.
In short, he broke American law in order to send aid to the sworn enemies of the Muslim Brotherhood. Does that sound like something a member of the Muslim Brotherhood would do?
an op-ed by Coleridge in 1800
``A new religion had fanaticised whole nations. Men bred up in the habits of a wild and roaming freedom, had been brought together by its influence, and taught to unite the energies of a savage life with all the harmony and calculable coincidencies of a machine. But this religion was deadly to morals, to science, to civil freedom : no society could be progressive under its influence. It was favourable to superstition, cunning, and sensual indulgence; but it bore no fruit, it yielded no marriageable arms to the vine, it sheltered no healing plant. The soil was grassless where it grew ; the fox made its nest at the root, and the owl screamed in its branches - Such was the religion of Mahomet.''
S. T. Coleridge ``The War Not a Crusade'' _The Morning Post_ April 16, 1800.
this religion was deadly to morals [...] It was favourable to superstition, cunning, and sensual indulgence;
I'm no fan of Islam, but Coleridge is rather unqualified to lecture anyone about immorality and sensual indulgence. He was an opium addict who abandoned his wife and children.
Also, anyone who tries to paint Islam as some sort of immoral pleasure-cult is clearly not paying attention. :)
Good Bret Stephens WSJ column, which at the moment is not behind the paywall:
"Bringing the Brotherhood into some kind of inclusive coalition government in which it accepts a reduced political role in exchange for calling off its sit-ins and demonstrations may be desirable, but it is about as realistic as getting a mongoose and a cobra to work together for the good of the mice.
What's realistic and desirable is for the military to succeed in its confrontation with the Brotherhood as quickly and convincingly as possible. Victory permits magnanimity. It gives ordinary Egyptians the opportunity to return to normal life. It deters potential political and military challenges. It allows the appointed civilian government to assume a prominent political role. It settles the diplomatic landscape. It lets the neighbors know what's what."
Looks to me like Egypt is going the way of the Turks under Mustapha Kemal Let the military run the country. I do bemoan the fact that Obama is letting Putin move into areas where the Russians have not had much of an opportunity. America is showing weakness, and we have no foreign policy, and autocrats like Putin are quick to recognize it. Obama is, I think, widely ridiculed by foreign leaders both of our friends and our enemies. Obama is a fool and dragging down our country in the process.
Roger, a few years ago I read an article written before Turkey's current leader, Erdogan, came to power. It said the military was refusing to let young women wear head scarves (hijab) to college. So some of them wore wigs on top of their hijabs.
The recent protests in Turkey were over the renovation of a popular park. Among other things I can't recall, part of the plan was to remove a site dedicated to Ataturk, and not replace it!
I'm glad Turkey and Egypt have the military.
Obama isn't a Muslim. Obama is a product of the denatured New England Protestantism* of recent decades. He's sympathetic to groups like the MB because of their revolutionary anti-Westernism. Similarly he's sympathetic to Black liberation theology. But neither are his core beliefs. He doesn't really HAVE any, save a belief in government as the sole determinant in how lives should be lived, and a belief that a well-educated (in his view) elite should be in charge of that government.
* This is the NE Wasp culture that lost God as a guide somewhere in the first half of the 20th Century, became infected with various bad European philosophies and replaced virtue with value. I'd bet a large sum of money** that Obama has read far more of Lacan and Foucault than he has of this nation's founders or Al-Banna and the like.
** Best demonstrated by examples. Phil Mickelson betting hundreds of thousands of dollars on the Super Bowl is a SMALL sum of money. A man betting his last $400 on a bluff in a poker game is a LARGE sum of money. So maybe I'd only make a small wager on that.
You see you have to support the Muslim Brotherhood when you are a Muslim Brother in the White House.
Col Allen West, someone who really understands jihadist Islam, believes that Muslim Brotherhood has infiltrated the Obama Administration.
I agree. Obama is Muslim, and supports the Muslim Brotherhood. Period.
"* This is the NE Wasp culture that lost God as a guide somewhere in the first half of the 20th Century, became infected with various bad European philosophies and replaced virtue with value."
Not sure what you mean. I think in the early 20th century we had the Protestant work ethic, where the poor (workers) were poor because of personal failings and the rich industrialists were rich because of their virtue.
What are some of the progressive values from Europe, that replace virtue with value, do you have in mind?
Haz, I don't see any direct proof offered by West that the MB has infiltrated the Administration. But looking at the linked Initiative in your article to infiltrate N. America, maybe they have :)
"Understanding the role of the Muslim Brother in North
America:
The process of settlement is a “Civilization-Jihadist Process” with
all the word means. The Ikhwan must understand that their work
in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and “sabotaging” its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it
is eliminated and God's religion is made victorious over all other
religions. Without this level of understanding, we are not up to
this challenge and have not prepared ourselves for Jihad yet. It is a
Muslim's destiny to perform Jihad and work wherever he is and
wherever he lands until the final hour comes, and there is no escape from that destiny except for those who chose to slack. But,
would the slackers and the Mujahedeen be equal.
...And the second - is the global Movement has not succeeded yet in
“distributing roles” to its branches, stating what is the needed
from them as one of the participants or contributors to the project
to establish the global Islamic state. The day this happens, the
children of the American Ikhwani branch will have far-reaching
impact and positions that make the ancestors proud."
You have to be shitting me Revenant.
Obama never obeys the law. He does what he wants and waits for the courts to reign him in and even then he still tries to get around that. It is ludicrous to say that he has to follow the law to stop the military to protect the Muslim Brotherhood. Everyone from the Saudi's to Israel to the Russians want the Brotherhood suppressed so they don't impose a Muslim terrorist regime in Egypt. The only person who wants to empower the Muslim Terrorists is their fellow Muslim Barack Hussein Obama.
Trooper, I'm sure in your mind saying "Obama never obeys the law" somehow refutes my point that Obama broke the law to aid the enemies of the Muslim Brotherhood.
Are you trying to argue that even though sending weapons to the coup leaders hurt the Muslim Brotherhood, Obama was willing to do it just for the sheer joy of breaking American law? That the least-crazy explanation I can come up with for your position.
Deborah - you might find this article of interest.
You do know that CIA Director John Brennen converted to Islam while he was a station chief in Saudi Arabia, don't you?
Obama didn't send the arms to "aid" the enemies of the Muslim Brotherhood. He sent them because if he didn't the political fall out from both sides of the aisle would be too much for him. Pretty much everyone supports the Egyptian military in this. Saudi Arabia. Israel. Russian. China. The EU. Everybody.
The point of this is that obeying the law is never a consideration for Barack Obama. So for you to bring it up is stupid in the extreme. Laws mean nothing to him so breaking the law meant nothing. But you can bet if he could have got away with not sending the arms without harming his own position he would have done it to help his buddies. His track record is clear. You just want to be contrary.
Haz, thank you for the interesting info. I've read quickly through the first one, and the linked pdf of the article mentioned inside it.
I don't recall hearing that about Brennen, but coincidentally I just saw an article yesterday by a Jew who converted to Islam. Small world :)
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