The full results from Sunday night’s debate are in, and Donald Trump has come from behind to take the lead over Hillary Clinton.
The latest Rasmussen Reports White House Watch national telephone and online survey shows Trump with 43% support among Likely U.S. Voters to Clinton’s 41%. Yesterday, Clinton still held a four-point 43% to 39% lead over Trump, but that was down from five points on Tuesday and her biggest lead ever of seven points on Monday.
Via Drudge: http://m.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/white_house_watch_oct13
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Well, when Scott Rasmussen sold the company, he said he really didn't trust their data, so a little caution doesn't hurt.
Given the fury brought down, not only from the debates, but "Willie is a rapist" and WikiLeaks, on the Trump campaign, I do think they're doing better than we know.
And I do think the worst is yet to come for the Ozark Mafia.
If, however, Ras' data is right, Trump has a quarter of the black vote.
Back on top!!! OMG. That's sexist! That's so like Trump to be on top.
Yeah, right.
Polls taken post-groping victim news or pre-groping victim news?
He's toast. He paraded around three alleged victims of Clinton's crimes. He can't now get to say that these alleged victims are vicious horrible liars, just because they direct the allegation at him instead of at Clinton.
Sorry, kids. It looks like it's over. A better storyline couldn't have been written by Hollywood. Or come to think of it, I have little doubt that Hollywood was in with the media all this time as they collected stories, and leaded them strategically at all the right moments to twist in the knife further. First leak the Billy Bush videotape less than a month out. Get him to deny that it was anything more than "just talk" at the debate. And then get two victims to tell their story and the Times to throw that one out there less than a week later, just as he may have reason to believe that he can get over it.
Battered and bruised, man. Battered and bruised. One after the other. Well, it was good while it lasted.
Rhythm and Balls said...
Get him to deny that it was anything more than "just talk" at the debate.
Try again.
First of all, we know the polls are phony; second, as the picture said, if American women are "horrified" at the thought of Trump saying, "Pussy", who bought 80 million copies of "50 Shades Of Gray"?
I knew it was a little too good to be true that Fitmo was against Frumpty.
I knew it was a little too good to be true that Fitmo was against Frumpty.
I knew it was a little too good to expect that Fedutcher would be against Fgroping.
Lol. Phony polls. Please. You guys are the ones who believe online instant clickbait "polls".
Try again with the whole 50 shades or language bit actually being the point here. You've got one standard for Bill Clinton, another for Donald Trump. So go think that groping's not a big deal. The people are kind of way more anti-groping than they're pro-Hillary. I realize that's a problem for you, but it's reality. And it makes sense. Some people, most people, live for more than just politics, ed. It seems you're not one of them.
Bull.
Trump was talking, not doing, but Rit, of course, subscribes to the idea it's still 1850.
And that this little revelation is a deal-breaker. And he's the one who says we believe the online polls. I, for one, have always noted my caution at taking them seriously, but he needs something to cling to.
Too bad he doesn't get out into the real world, away from his gated community, and see women use that kind of language as much as men.
Ah.
So you believe Kathleen Willey, Juanita Broadrick and Paula Jones but not Jessica Leeds and Rachel Crooks.
You've just been called out as a poseur who would believe the tactics against Clinton are legitimate, but not the accusations against Trump.
Talk about a "gated community." You've just declared that someone who lives in a luxury high-rise with HIS name on it in gold plating, who wrote off $900 million plus and claims to be a billionaire, to be above the law, above scrutiny, above what he accuses not only his opponent, but his opponent's husband of!
You are a total retard. Go join Trump in your tears as you lament a fellow blue collar wanna-be sexual harasser of just being too far ahead of his time for anyone to appreciate.
Hilarious. If a wild dog ran against Clinton you'd absolve him of the charge of humping people's legs. Why not? It's something you can relate to. LOL.
You are an embarrassment to principled Trump supporters. Unless there never were any, after all.
LOSER.
This thread looks like it will devolve quickly.
Ritmo is blowing smoke, as always.
Nobody's accused Trump of anything. He talked about women, he didn't do anything to anybody, so we're not in the realm of Willie's transgressions.
Kind of important distinction. Of course, Ritmo doesn't make them so he's always several steps behind.
Which is why he's guilty of the same name-calling and stereotyping as his lady love.
Ed's just prepping for the inevitable back-biting he'll throw at progressives, Republicans and vegetarians once Trump loses 63% - ~30%. It's everyone else's fault for not presuming an impulsive groper would win public opinion.
Nobody's accused Trump of anything.
Lol. Someone's obviously very slow on the news.
No one defended Trump more against mere accusations than I did. Ask Nick. Read the TOP uploads.
Dummy.
I could defend Trump better than you can. But not when I actually know about who claimed he groped them. You're very lucky that you didn't know about that. One more day in your "gated community" than the rest of us got to have.
Sorry I called you a dummy, ed. I honestly presumed you must have heard the news.
Of course, maybe it's bullshit. A conspiracy. A whole bunch of nothing thrown at him just to bring him down.
I don't presume that that couldn't happen.
But as it stands now, this is bad. For him. Very bad.
I am thinking more like 55% - 30% - 15% (Johnson and Stein's take). Course, that doesn't matter. Electoral votes might be much more skewed.
We are hoping Trump unplugged/unleashed will take it to Clinton and carry the next 25 days. But we are realistic because if Trump hasn't been able to do it so far, what does he have going forward to show himself as the preferred alternative?
Yes, someone is very slow on the news.
The concert where the one woman says she was grabbed - never happened. Suddenly, after Trump cleaned Frumpty's clock and the Bushes leak the tape, all these accusers materialize.
Considering this seems to be the new way the Lefties destroy somebody - Ailes, Cosby, Herman Cain - doubtless Ritmo will stand up for it. I have a feeling these babes are going to be investigated and, if the one is representative, they're all going to be exposed.
Too bad. Ritmo was so hoping his queen would become empress.
john said...
I am thinking more like 55% - 30% - 15% (Johnson and Stein's take). Course, that doesn't matter. Electoral votes might be much more skewed.
We are hoping Trump unplugged/unleashed will take it to Clinton and carry the next 25 days. But we are realistic because if Trump hasn't been able to do it so far, what does he have going forward to show himself as the preferred alternative?
He has. Why are these women suddenly accusing him? WikiLeaks and the "Willie is a rapist" The thing and all the Crooked Hillary is adding up. But, of course, the NeverTrumnpers are sure the polls are honest.
NeverTrumpers always want something else.
@R&B: But you're the guy who went ballistic over at TOP the night of Trump's nomination. I recall multiple posts psychoanalyzing the way Trump touched Ivanka.
PS: "For what a man had rather were true he more readily believes."
~Francis Bacon
PPS: I don't think we've heard the end of anything yet. Not even close.
Bacon sure could wield the subjunctive.
Too bad. Ritmo was so hoping his queen would become empress.
If this is the only way a liar like you has to attack me, then I guess Trump just let down your hopes that he would grope you.
So what, chickelit. I'm sure you also were among the ones there praising me just this weekend for defending Trump way more competently than you or any of your yokels did. Or could.
So what about Ivanka? That was weird. But the tape was nothing upon which to hang him. You know, sometimes more than one thing is true at the same time. I guess I can tolerate complexity in people whereas you're just always jumping the trigger finger to figure out whether to heap praise or scorn on an ally or enemy. Practice seeing gray instead of black-or-white. Or color. Do you have cones in your eyes? The world's not as simple as your social psychology requires it to be.
I'm thinking of moving to Aleppo. No crowds, no media, no internet, no nothing. I'm gonna pick up a Ford Falcon, do some modifications, and become The Muzzy Mad Max, do a lot of yelling into the night sky. "Allya At da bar!"
Why are these women suddenly accusing him?
Assuming they're true, my guess is that they remained silent so many years because they stood to gain very little. Who knows what kind of money the DNC dangled in front of them. Assuming they're false, the reasons suggest themselves but still involve money. Maybe FOX's Megan Kelly will air exclusive interviews?
Like Troop said, this thing's a roller coaster ride.
A couple of points to consider before Ritmo goes completely orgasmic.
Ms Leeds is mobbed up with the Ozark Mafia Global Slush Fund and Ms Crooks, according to family, is an attention whore whose story is not the one she told friends and family.
So you believe Kathleen Willey, Juanita Broadrick and Paula Jones but not Jessica Leeds and Rachel Crooks.
I certainly would like to see them interviewed. And Trump has as much right to ignore/deny them as Hillary and Bill ignore/deny his accusers. Let's see them so that we can decide. I would only stipulate that if the interview is high level and professional that the same due be given to Clinton's accusers. Right now I'm of the mind that the alphabet networks will only air Trump's accusers. We shall see.
What I'm most looking forward to is still unreleased videos.
"this thing's a roller coaster ride."
Yea, when it's over, you end up right where you started with less money and a queasy feeling.
Yea, when it's over, you end up right where you started with less money and a queasy feeling.
And often, an urge to do it all over again.
Let's see them so that we can decide.
I just saw one of them. I doubt Trump would hit on that.
Well there go the knee-jerk denials.
Why don't you just laugh at Leeds like Hillary laughed at getting Kathy Shelton's rapist off, ed?
Why don't you just laugh at Leeds like Hillary laughed at getting Kathy Shelton's rapist off, ed?
None of this has made me laugh. Only evil laughs at evil deeds.
Didn't Arnold Schwarzenegger survive last minute groping allegations by Gloria Allred and still get elected? Not that the comparison is apt. The American people are in a very anti-Gray Davis mood if you're old enough to remember.
Ritmo is at a disadvantage because Willie's accusers were initially on his side.
Not the case with Trump's. Ritmo wants to sit on his moral high horse here, but it ain't gonna happen. The fact all this happens when the media has tried to keep the tape thing going is just way too coincidental. Add a couple of ulterior motives and it gets very hard for them to be believable.
Broaddrick's and Willey's stories were credible. These are at best he said-she said, but the fact we have people whose stories can be doubted because of their motives makes it hard to buy what they say.
Rhythm and Balls said...
Well there go the knee-jerk denials.
Facts. They are a bitch.
Why don't you just laugh at Leeds like Hillary laughed at getting Kathy Shelton's rapist off, ed?
Projecting again?
Here's where I agree with April and Bags: Trump needs to constantly remind people of how shitty things have gotten on so many fronts except for affirmative action for the last 8 years and do we really want a third term. This erection is a referendum on the Obama Administration. It need not be, but HRC has said she is a third term.
chickelit said...
Didn't Arnold Schwarzenegger survive last minute groping allegations by Gloria Allred and still get elected? Not that the comparison is apt. The American people are in a very anti-Gray Davis mood if you're old enough to remember.
Wasn't that long ago, and don't forget Willie survived even with a tape of him and Gennifer Flowers.
Oops! I put "erection" in the same sentence as Obama.
chick, he has been doing that, think about the debate.
"You'd be in jail".
He's been doing that all along, but in his own way. The Bluebird of Happiness wants it done the way the One True Ted would do it and we know it doesn't work because so many people have tried it.
They want shrieking invective about her moral turpitude. Tell me when that ever beat them.
I'm not at any disadvantage. I support neither major party candidate, you major party tool.
@R&B: Didn't Hillary say recently that rape accusers need to be believed but verified? It's an awfully serious charge, rape. I assume that Hillary has done some sort of due diligence on all of Bill's accusers and come to the conclusion that they're lying too. They should publish their evidence. Hillary has a credibility problem if you haven't noticed.
And never did.
@R&B: Didn't Hillary say recently that rape accusers need to be believed but verified?
I don't know. She can say what she wants. Anyway, these weren't rape accusers but groping accusers. What Hillary says doesn't matter (except maybe to ed). The standard is sex crime allegation against sex crime allegation. Trump paraded around Willey, Jones and Broadrick as supporters to use against Clinton. His opponent can do the same with these women. The point is that politically, he's neutralized. ed and you might be "too good for" politics, but America isn't. America votes, too.
It's an awfully serious charge, rape. I assume that Hillary has done some sort of due diligence on all of Bill's accusers and come to the conclusion that they're lying too.
I assume she hasn't. I assume she's not objective when it comes to allegations against Bill. Especially involving his infidelity.
They should publish their evidence.
Their stories count as evidence as do the stories of Clinton's accusers.
Hillary has a credibility problem if you haven't noticed.
So does Trump. So what. So nothing.
Rit is back in "I'll say anything to get a fight going so I can show how morally superior I am to all of you" mode.
Fact is, he is at a disadvantage because we're finding out what kind of motivation these women might have. Sad to say, but women falsely accuse men of molestation all the time and how many hate crimes were shown to be faked by Lefties? Ritmo didn't do his due diligence and now he looks silly.
Even MSLSD is asking the musical question, "Why are so many Trump accusers suddenly coming forward now?".
When MSLSD starts sounding rational, you know you have a problem.
Rit is back in "I'll say anything to get a fight going so I can show how morally superior I am to all of you" mode.
ed is back in "I'll say anything to get a fight going so I can show how morally/intellectually inferior I am to all of you" mode.
The accusations could turn out to be false.
Accusations against Bill Clinton could turn out to have been false.
IN the meantime, Trump's only hope was that no accusations could be used to lend credence to his stupid brags about doing what everyone else (but me) read as admissions of groping guilt.
Americans don't like to be duped -- knowingly. They remember these experiences. Chip's "Wag The Dog" art in the next post reminds me of the Clintons in the late 1980's. Others sense this too. The feeling spreads faster than knowledge.
Accusations against Bill Clinton could turn out to have been false.
Is there somewhere that has collected the counter evidence against the Clinton accusers?
chickelit said...
Americans don't like to be duped -- knowingly.
Case in point: Ann Althouse's sunny fondness for Barack Obama expressed just the other day. I'm going to repost an old comment that I have bookmarked (this is from 2009:
Chickenlittle -
The trouble is that the people who were willfully blind about Obama before the election and supported him, all thought, and still think, that they are far more intelligent that those who opposed Obama. Their self image depends upon perceived intellectual superiority, and it will be extremely difficult for them to admit to themselves that they were wrong.
The best chance it to give these people an excuse - "I was misled by the media" is the best option here. This is one of the reasons I think that the Breitbart assault on the mainstream media is so dangerous to Obama.
9/26/09, 12:19 PM*
So true, still.
______________
* And just look how fair and open-minded Darcy was right after that comment. What a sweet, sweet person she is!
If Hillary wins, Matt Drudge had better beef-up his security.
Chip's "Wag The Dog" art in the next post reminds me of the Clintons in the late 1980's.
Sorry, I meant late 1990's.
Rhythm and Balls said...
The accusations could turn out to be false.
Accusations against Bill Clinton could turn out to have been false.
IN the meantime, Trump's only hope was that no accusations could be used to lend credence to his stupid brags about doing what everyone else (but me) read as admissions of groping guilt.
Ritmo, as always, sees everyone against him. He projects his own insecurities on me. He needs help.
Willie's accusers certainly shake him as evidenced by his behavior Sunday night, so the odds they're false may be less than Ritmo hopes.
And any of Trump's "admissions" are solely in Ritmo's fevered mind.
In any case, chick has a point about people being independent-minded enough to make political decisions apart from allegations unproven.
" The American people are in a very anti-Gray Davis mood if you're old enough to remember."
Kicking him out was a rare moment of Californian wisdom. Arnold came in like the proto-Trump, but when the public rejected the badly needed reforms, he rolled over and let the Lefties scratch his belly the rest of his administration, because he wanted to be popular. The most promising thing about Trumpis his tenacity, but he also is a lot like Arnold in that he does not have a real ideology of small government, and has a lot of liberal tendencies and relationships. Arnold's betrayal destroyed all hope for California.
ed just makes shit up to make sure his mouth and fingers are still working.
ed: engage brain. How much do you want to bet that Trump will win? There's no point in being his PR man. The guy's done.
You personalize to no end. No one can have an opinion if it in any way impinges on the invincibility you project into your ridiculous idols.
If you lose, you can buy one of these. Even though it's only 12" tall, you're still small enough to hump its leg.
Arnold and Clinton both survived sexist smears because no one thought they were puritans. Trump, unlike every Republican in the race, is least vulnerable to the time-worn Democratic tradition.
Ritmo, when cornered, babbles as always.
His thing now is "Trump is doomed" because all his Lefty friend in the gated community won't talk to him if he keeps badmouthing the Beast. Of course, Trump's political denouement has been forecast by better minds than his, but hipsters are lost if not a part of the In Crowd.
As I've shown, Trump's accusers have been shown to be rather shaky and, as the American people are more fair-minded than Ritmo, will make their judgments on the basis of policy, but, if Ritmo insists on going by the crooked polls, he won't want to be reminded that Trump's favorables went up after the debate.
Poor Ritmo, it really stinks to be him.
PS Turns out both women in the Gray Lady piece are Frumpty supporters and donors.
That's a tad awkward.
ed killed Trump's campaign.
"Undecideds" who visit this site look at the crap ed writes and figure that, if he's the typical Trump supporter, they won't have anything to do with him.
ed, have you bought a bad rug and dyed it orange, lately?
ed's what happens when you mix stupidity with persistence and anger.
"Arnold's betrayal destroyed all hope for California."
Representatives, even if labeled Governor, should not abide the will of referendums?
The betrayal started long, long ago and continues today but Arnold had little to do with it besides fighting it, I'll agree, too briefly.
Ted Kennedy won California for the Democratics for all foreseeable national elections by lying and piously accusing anyone not on his side of being like what he referred to Bork as.
That is what worked then and since, I pray it now has lost its effectiveness.
Ritmo babbles even more.
It makes him angry when he's shown to be the fool he is.
"Arnold and Clinton both survived sexist smears because no one thought they were puritans. Trump, unlike every Republican in the race, is least vulnerable to the time-worn Democratic tradition."
The problem with Trump's sexual abuse is that he is on tape admitting it and bragging about it. That's a huge difference. It takes away the plausibility of it being just a misunderstanding or partisan exaggeration, which is what allows people to tell themselves it's not really what the guy is about. He clearly is that guy, that many women hate.
He clearly is that guy, that many women hate.
I'm working on a post about Hillary's own gender gap. Recent polling and statistics are hard to find. Any help is appreciated in advance. Especially, why does Hillary have a gender gap?
" Especially, why does Hillary have a gender gap?"
She's not hot, and she's a lying, cheating bitch.
I think some of it is sexism both ways. Women, want a woman to win, and men fear it - both just on gender affiliation alone. Women imagine a woman would understand their needs better, and men expect she would not care about the problems men face. Hillary has even campaigned on that implicit promise. Also, lets face it, if Trump looked like Brad Pitt, women would be much more forgiving, and if Hillary looked like Melania, we would be too.
Men and women both distrust the opposite sex. We all have been disappointed and betrayed by at least one of them at some point in our lives - often painfully, and it sticks with you.
Hillary isn't getting the female vote in a lock.
Hillary will get the DayTime TV watching, People magazine reading, angry 60's feminists that R&B talks about. She will get the Ellen vote. (low info voters.)
Women who pay attention to reality and know who she is and why she does what she does - we DESPISE her. We hate her more than you do, guys. She's a liar, she's a crook, she's obsessed with power and will do anything to grab it. Once she stuffs the courts with radical fascist leftwing judges, say goodbye to the final remnants of a fair and honest vote system. All valid ID to vote will be thrown out. Then the illegals who get free stuff. I don't even need to mention the supreme court. We hate her because we see the reality of what her corruption will do. It's that bad.
I don't believe Hillary's lack of hotness to be a factor.
I'm also not longing or wanting a woman to win or represent me. And don't believe the men in my circle of contacts would fear a woman in leadership. All, however, would need to respect her integrity and regard her as sincere before offering their support.
I wonder if the practiced and artificial facial expressions Hillary employs set off warning triggers on a micro level that factor into willingness to trust someone who says one thing while doing another? Her blatant duplicity in word and deed is another factor. Sensory input that is incongruent (what one sees, hears and senses matching or not matching lived experience) can automatically set off a fight, flight or freeze response.
Perhaps men find Hillary viscerally repulsive on a gut level that has little to do with her hotness or ability to lead as a female and everything to do with their willingness to trust the artificial persona and duplicitous behavior she presents.
I took a shot. Let's hear someone else's explanation for the fact that men would elect Trump in a landslide, and women would do the same for Hillary. There is a clear gender bias both ways. It's got to have something to do with the difference between the sexes, unless we really do vote with our genitals. I mean I do. I punch those little dots on the ballots with Mr. Happy, and come out of the booth exhausted.
Oh there's a girl part brigade. They will overlook all flaws and corruption for the girl parts in da WH.
I really don't care about male/female. It's about corruption, stopping it, and who will end our slide down into a banana republic.
unless we really do vote with our genitals.
Yes there's a contingent of women who will vote for a female, African Americans who will vote for an African American, and men who prefer a male leader, along with groups of millennials who divide themselves between wanting an old socialist full of empty promises, or someone under fifty who knows how to work a smart phone.
I don't vote with my genitals. And the men and women I am around don't appear to be voting with their genitals either. I did however, use mine to unite with a partner and produce two male heirs who appear to be voting for the candidate that resonates most with them with regard to viewpoint.
As for punching the buttons with Mr Happy, that's so cute, I can hardly stop thinking about ways to use my tits or mighty vagina to influence an election. Come to think about it, that's just what I did in devoting myself to raising two thoughtful, taxpaying citizens who don't feel compelled to vote with their genitals.
@Bags, MamaM & April: Thanks for those thoughts.
It may be a day or two before I have time to slog through both HRC's and DJT's websites to gather more facts. I appreciate your thoughts here and I will not forget you.
"I took a shot. Let's hear someone else's explanation for the fact that men would elect Trump in a landslide, and women would do the same for Hillary."
Its quite simple, there are more low information, stupid (politically) women then there are men. They're easily manipulated by the MSM, know little of economics, history, or political science, and are afraid of any change to the status quo.
Look at "The View" their audience is almost entirely female, and almost no man can watch the show for more than 5 minutes without running from the TV set in terror. Why? Because the show is so incredibly dumb. Yet large numbers of brain dead females love it. And they vote.
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