The cartoon was nominated but lost out in the Oscars to a Donald Duck cartoon, Der Fuehrer's Face. These were all from a time when moral distinctions were more clearly and more easily drawn.
Lem, I'm pretty much over arguing with idiots on the internet. Once and while when someone is beating on somebody I care about, I'll throw a punch. But it's always futile. I care more about laying down links to rely on in the future.
Ok, so I never denied being an idiot, so what is the argument that counters the fact that terrorism is one of the least likely ways an American will die, yet we seem willing to sacrifice any amount of treasure, life or principle to fight it That disconnect seems a lot like another ubiquitous concern of our times.
There are more Americans killed by plotting murderers in a single American city every single month than the number killed by terrorists across the whole country in an entire year.
We just seem really anxious to throw hard-earned extremely rare and valuable things away for what?
My wife, who is rather apolitical, thinks that we will never be rid of ISIS. Her reasoning is that if we as a world can't get rid of a pariah state like North Korea, how and why should we ever be rid of ISIS? I think that behind this is that somebody wants and likes North Korea; some other nation wants them to be the thorn that they are. Likewise, some nation wants ISIS to exist. It is a proxy war of sorts but it is not clear who is behind it.
I didn't make it through the debate where Trump is alleged to have insisted that we should kill the families of terrorists. I did listen to the phone in clip made to FOX news and it seems clear to me that what he's speaking of is not being afraid of "taking out" the families who surround the thugs in Raqqa. They use them as shields like the cowardly Paleostinians. But already the media have turned this into a "but we never went after Goebbels children in Berlin!" type argument. As a matter of fact, we bombed the shit out of Berlin and didn't give two shits about Gerbil's kids. What Trump is saying is that if we had actionable information on a terrorist in say Raqqa, we might hesitate because some slave wife and their "innocent" offspring might get hurt. That's Obama ROE.
I think the media also want to turn this into a "Trump is like the mob" moment: "We know where your children are, Abulah."
I don't have an opinion about H-1b visas, except that all of us have to compete with like-skilled humans worldwide, whether they come here or not. There were no such visas for textile workers or many other trades, yet all those jobs still left and the companies and associated companies and jobs went with them.
Troop, how far are you willing to go to stop a couple dozen deaths a year - less than those lost to falling furniture in our homes. I would even be against mandatory furniture fastening. Are we really willing to do absolutely anything to stop this, because it still won't guarantee anything. Then what?
Trump is ruthless when it comes talk about war. He's a real Bull Halsey. But it's not clear to me that he's battle-tested in any way except in the corporate business world. He's not an Eisenhower. I mention Ike because he too began as a populist upstart; he too was opposed by an entrenched GOP establishment; he too went into a bitterly divided convention and prevailed over the unelectable favorite (Robert Taft). But unlike Ike, Trump has absolutely no military cred. But we've gotten into deep shit having a CiC who also wasn't battle tested but who is responsible for the Afghanistan ROE's and travesties like making a hero out of traitors like Bergdahl. Rose garden fêtes anyone? Obama literally slumped in his chair and looked very very small in the situation room when they took out bin Laden. Have you ever looked at the photos? Trump would never do that. Trump is pure executive material. He could improve his game if he or his supporters could make the case for how he has solved problems with other people. People get tired of all the I did this and I did that. If he can turn first person singular (I) into first person plural (we) he's golden.
Trump said that the terrorists should fear that we would kill their families if they commit an attack. Killing their families might work like that. Should we kill the families of the San Bernardino terrorist couple? Get that baby and kill it? The brother who hated what they did too? That would send a pretty clear message. No doubt it would stop some.
Trump said that the terrorists should fear that we would kill their families if they commit an attack. Killing their families might work like that.
It might also work like "we won't be afraid to kill you and your families i.e., by a drone or a guided missile." If a terrorist knowly puts his own family in such danger, then so be it. And we would knowingly be willing to kill those families. Some of Binnie's kin took bullets the night he went down -- the ones who stood up to the Deltas. Plus Trump never said he wanted to kill the families instead of the perps. That's projection.
Should we kill the families of the San Bernardino terrorist couple? Get that baby and kill it? The brother who hated what they did too? That would send a pretty clear message. No doubt it would stop some.
You are projecting, bags. Trump had harsh words for the mother regarding what she did or didn't know. Obviously it was opinion and would have to be litigated. But maybe she (and the gun buyer) are criminally liable for something. Who is to say?
Your argument is typical of the bleeding heart politically correct. Trump was not talking about killing babies. He was talking about bombing the shit out of ISIS and not agonizing over it. Not being paralyzed by ROE that lets ISiS flourish.
I've often thought that if Hillary is elected POTUS, that she'll bomb the absolute fuck out of people. My reasoning is this: she will want to look tough, as in "I'm not just spending my days baking cookies for what's his name."
I agree, AllenS, she's a lot scarier than Trump. Bernie probably wouldn't hesitate to drop some bombs on anyone who was distracting him from his redistribution plans and his supporters would applaud him for it just as Obama's supporters cheered him for escalating the war in Afghanistan and then promptly forgot that he did it when it didn't work out.
I'm not fixing what Trump said to defend him nor changing it to make it worse. I'm describing what he actually said. I heard it. He talked about how the families knew or should have known and that the attackers need to fear our retribution upon their families. If you have to soften or nuance what he said then you must agree it was over the line even for you.
Obama has been running a kinder, gentler war than Bush. There are more refugees and corpses in the Middle East now than there was during Bush's tenure. Fortunately the maimed bodies and refugees are not the result of American military action so they don't really count......In the way that you can't really be mudered in a way that outrages the local community in Chicago unless you are killed by a cop, just so in the Middle East. All the death and destruction in Libya, Iraq, and Syria were not perpetrated by by Israel or America so they're nothing to get upset about........Those three cases of water boarding by the CIA caused far more hand wringing and consternation among the chattering classes than all these various massacres, rapes, and enslavements that are currently occurring.
I saw a story the other day about how ISIS puts Yazidi slaves in holes in the ground when they're not working. It made me physically ill. People enslaved. And stored in the ground. I read outside the MSM so I see plenty of news of disgusting islamic fundamentalist atrocities but this was physically nauseating. And no word about it in the MSM. Not politically expedient. Waves of nausea. If there is honestly no American will to put the fear into people who do this, so be it. People get enslaved and abused by other people. It has happened since the dawn of time and will probably continue for the foreseeable future. How many people stored in the ground until they are no longer useful to their masters are we willing to tolerate? And is it a question of numbers or, more realistically, a question of who's really geopolitically in charge?
"If there is honestly no American will to put the fear into people who do this, so be it. "
You see that is one of the principle reasons to vote for Trump. He will put the fear into these animals. They just can't be sure how far he will go. I mean he could threaten to go full retard. If he does anything less he will get away with it.
For example. He said he would kill the terrorists families. What if he just deports them. He can move the Overton window enough to do some stuff that has a chance to work.
I try to analyze why that account, out of all the accounts of atrocities that I've read, struck a chord. No one's dead, yet. No one's getting their head chopped off or shot or being drowned or set on fire in a cage. Just a photo of the holes. Trap doors in the desert. No people in evidence. The people are in the holes where they are stored. Like things. That triggered the horror. What kind of mind ... ? It is a mind, too. Human beings do this. To other human beings.
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Lem, I'm pretty much over arguing with idiots on the internet. Once and while when someone is beating on somebody I care about, I'll throw a punch. But it's always futile. I care more about laying down links to rely on in the future.
Anyways, a Caliphate is pretty much a beehive mentality. Also, a Rodham Administration.
Ok, so I never denied being an idiot, so what is the argument that counters the fact that terrorism is one of the least likely ways an American will die, yet we seem willing to sacrifice any amount of treasure, life or principle to fight it That disconnect seems a lot like another ubiquitous concern of our times.
..so what is the argument that counters the fact that terrorism is one of the least likely ways an American will die..
The bees and our slippery tubs are not plotting to do anybody in.
If the bees attack is mostly do to our negligence, same with the tub, not buying a mat, which you can easily order from our Amazon portal.
I've started watching Homeland on demand. I'm almost done with season one.
Man I hope our defenses in the real world are not as incompetent as they are portrayed on that show.
There are more Americans killed by plotting murderers in a single American city every single month than the number killed by terrorists across the whole country in an entire year.
We just seem really anxious to throw hard-earned extremely rare and valuable things away for what?
We just seem really anxious to throw hard-earned extremely rare and valuable things away for what?
Like what? I mean, I know you're for raising up the H-1B visas What else are you for?
So bags how many people are an acceptable number to die so we can have unlimited unvetted immigration of Muslims? 20. 50. 3000.
Because the government under Obama is just not serious about finding out exactly who and what is coming into our country.
My wife, who is rather apolitical, thinks that we will never be rid of ISIS. Her reasoning is that if we as a world can't get rid of a pariah state like North Korea, how and why should we ever be rid of ISIS? I think that behind this is that somebody wants and likes North Korea; some other nation wants them to be the thorn that they are. Likewise, some nation wants ISIS to exist. It is a proxy war of sorts but it is not clear who is behind it.
ISIS is more like an infection. Like gangrene that needs to be amputated.
I didn't make it through the debate where Trump is alleged to have insisted that we should kill the families of terrorists. I did listen to the phone in clip made to FOX news and it seems clear to me that what he's speaking of is not being afraid of "taking out" the families who surround the thugs in Raqqa. They use them as shields like the cowardly Paleostinians. But already the media have turned this into a "but we never went after Goebbels children in Berlin!" type argument. As a matter of fact, we bombed the shit out of Berlin and didn't give two shits about Gerbil's kids. What Trump is saying is that if we had actionable information on a terrorist in say Raqqa, we might hesitate because some slave wife and their "innocent" offspring might get hurt. That's Obama ROE.
I think the media also want to turn this into a "Trump is like the mob" moment: "We know where your children are, Abulah."
Bingo chicken!
And plenty of saps buy Wolf Blitzers bullshit.
I don't have an opinion about H-1b visas, except that all of us have to compete with like-skilled humans worldwide, whether they come here or not. There were no such visas for textile workers or many other trades, yet all those jobs still left and the companies and associated companies and jobs went with them.
Troop, how far are you willing to go to stop a couple dozen deaths a year - less than those lost to falling furniture in our homes. I would even be against mandatory furniture fastening. Are we really willing to do absolutely anything to stop this, because it still won't guarantee anything. Then what?
Trump is ruthless when it comes talk about war. He's a real Bull Halsey. But it's not clear to me that he's battle-tested in any way except in the corporate business world. He's not an Eisenhower. I mention Ike because he too began as a populist upstart; he too was opposed by an entrenched GOP establishment; he too went into a bitterly divided convention and prevailed over the unelectable favorite (Robert Taft). But unlike Ike, Trump has absolutely no military cred. But we've gotten into deep shit having a CiC who also wasn't battle tested but who is responsible for the Afghanistan ROE's and travesties like making a hero out of traitors like Bergdahl. Rose garden fêtes anyone? Obama literally slumped in his chair and looked very very small in the situation room when they took out bin Laden. Have you ever looked at the photos? Trump would never do that. Trump is pure executive material. He could improve his game if he or his supporters could make the case for how he has solved problems with other people. People get tired of all the I did this and I did that. If he can turn first person singular (I) into first person plural (we) he's golden.
Trump said that the terrorists should fear that we would kill their families if they commit an attack. Killing their families might work like that. Should we kill the families of the San Bernardino terrorist couple? Get that baby and kill it? The brother who hated what they did too? That would send a pretty clear message. No doubt it would stop some.
Trump said that the terrorists should fear that we would kill their families if they commit an attack. Killing their families might work like that.
It might also work like "we won't be afraid to kill you and your families i.e., by a drone or a guided missile." If a terrorist knowly puts his own family in such danger, then so be it. And we would knowingly be willing to kill those families. Some of Binnie's kin took bullets the night he went down -- the ones who stood up to the Deltas. Plus Trump never said he wanted to kill the families instead of the perps. That's projection.
Should we kill the families of the San Bernardino terrorist couple? Get that baby and kill it? The brother who hated what they did too? That would send a pretty clear message. No doubt it would stop some.
You are projecting, bags. Trump had harsh words for the mother regarding what she did or didn't know. Obviously it was opinion and would have to be litigated. But maybe she (and the gun buyer) are criminally liable for something. Who is to say?
Democrats kill babies bags. It's what they do.
Your argument is typical of the bleeding heart politically correct. Trump was not talking about killing babies. He was talking about bombing the shit out of ISIS and not agonizing over it. Not being paralyzed by ROE that lets ISiS flourish.
I've often thought that if Hillary is elected POTUS, that she'll bomb the absolute fuck out of people. My reasoning is this: she will want to look tough, as in "I'm not just spending my days baking cookies for what's his name."
I agree, AllenS, she's a lot scarier than Trump. Bernie probably wouldn't hesitate to drop some bombs on anyone who was distracting him from his redistribution plans and his supporters would applaud him for it just as Obama's supporters cheered him for escalating the war in Afghanistan and then promptly forgot that he did it when it didn't work out.
I'm not fixing what Trump said to defend him nor changing it to make it worse. I'm describing what he actually said. I heard it. He talked about how the families knew or should have known and that the attackers need to fear our retribution upon their families. If you have to soften or nuance what he said then you must agree it was over the line even for you.
Obama has been running a kinder, gentler war than Bush. There are more refugees and corpses in the Middle East now than there was during Bush's tenure. Fortunately the maimed bodies and refugees are not the result of American military action so they don't really count......In the way that you can't really be mudered in a way that outrages the local community in Chicago unless you are killed by a cop, just so in the Middle East. All the death and destruction in Libya, Iraq, and Syria were not perpetrated by by Israel or America so they're nothing to get upset about........Those three cases of water boarding by the CIA caused far more hand wringing and consternation among the chattering classes than all these various massacres, rapes, and enslavements that are currently occurring.
I saw a story the other day about how ISIS puts Yazidi slaves in holes in the ground when they're not working. It made me physically ill. People enslaved. And stored in the ground. I read outside the MSM so I see plenty of news of disgusting islamic fundamentalist atrocities but this was physically nauseating. And no word about it in the MSM. Not politically expedient.
Waves of nausea.
If there is honestly no American will to put the fear into people who do this, so be it.
People get enslaved and abused by other people. It has happened since the dawn of time and will probably continue for the foreseeable future. How many people stored in the ground until they are no longer useful to their masters are we willing to tolerate? And is it a question of numbers or, more realistically, a question of who's really geopolitically in charge?
"If there is honestly no American will to put the fear into people who do this, so be it. "
You see that is one of the principle reasons to vote for Trump. He will put the fear into these animals. They just can't be sure how far he will go. I mean he could threaten to go full retard. If he does anything less he will get away with it.
For example. He said he would kill the terrorists families. What if he just deports them. He can move the Overton window enough to do some stuff that has a chance to work.
I try to analyze why that account, out of all the accounts of atrocities that I've read, struck a chord. No one's dead, yet. No one's getting their head chopped off or shot or being drowned or set on fire in a cage. Just a photo of the holes. Trap doors in the desert. No people in evidence. The people are in the holes where they are stored. Like things. That triggered the horror. What kind of mind ... ? It is a mind, too. Human beings do this. To other human beings.
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