Ah, yes, and here is the troll "unknown" with citations from the Turley blog. Again. Why? No one listening to you at Turley's? I mean you do try ever so hard to be the civil conduct moderator at Turley's, except when you want to insult someone yourself. So now you come to shit in the hat here? Bravo.
Lem...I'll donate $100 to Lem's Levity the minute you begin to delete on sight the poster "Unknown"...who always shows up with nonsense from another blog. That is a troll, no other word for it.
I was a bit surprised @ how much Rivers is hated by people here. But, to each their own. I thought she was tough and funny. That's how I like my women.
Aridog, I appreciate you having my back. But, I'll take the hits because Unknown is spotlighting a good legal blog, Turley. We all left a HORSESHIT narcissistic, legal blog. So, spotlighting Turley is worth the lameness by lawnboy.
When the messenger is spewing crap that just makes him sound stupid, maybe shooting the messenger is the compassionate thing to do. You have to have a deeper compassion for people who don't even realize how dumb they are. They really are helpless little creatures wasting oxygen that could be put to better use burning cigars.
Nick...got yo disagree this time. "Unknown" isn't promoting anything but him/her self. I am the one who is connecting it to Turley. There is no place on Lem's or Turley's for a commenter who always posts off topic addressing comments not made on that blog, whichever one. I think we differ on just who "unknown" is...the snark is more like a woman we both know.
If you have an ISP or other evidence connecting "Unknown" to another better known name or nick, let me know (via my email in my profile). I will cite it to Professor Turley.
BTW...I made my donation to Lem's Levity anyway, just hoping that one day Lem will grown the balls of Prof Turley and can these spurious posts (Like Haz does)....when they are so obviously out of order and off topic....and cite persons who do not post here on Lem's at all, to boot.
60-Grit...I'd like to see some evidence that Unk/Non is paying more. I've heard all the talk, now I'd like to see the walk, or Lem just outright admit it here or in an email to me. If he's on TOP's teat he doesn't need anything from me.
The moment I determine that Lem's Levity is an adjunct of TOP I am gone. I don't want to believe it, but as I've said, I've been stupid before.
I try to make it $100 every 6 months, and will increase that when I can...back in the day I did the same quarterly at TOP. I was stupid and I admit it.
Pretty sad. She had as much grit and wit to get through life as the world would need all the way up until the end.
I hate the way the looking-to-be-offended crowd cast her as "mean". She might have gone overboard on fashion policing, but it shows you how stupid people are to protect the fragile feelings of her narcissistic celebrity targets. And it's not like she couldn't get as good as she gave, so she was obviously no hypocrite. That's the important thing in humor: truth. And it's not like she wouldn't open up to those few who did overcome their own bullshit and show her the ounce of humanity lurking beneath their all-important image. She was insecure, but not selfish. Not at all. And never dishonest.
Yeah it's tragic and no one with as much grit and honesty seems to be replacing them. Maybe time will tell. But with an overindulged baby boomer generation giving way to narcissistic "millennials", prospects don't look so good.
It's almost enough to make you look that much more forward to going to wherever she went, if that's possible. If not, it makes the task of taking on the humorless, the narcissists and the bullshitters all the more urgent while we remain.
In the meantime, I'm not sure I can recommend much other than this guy's feed. But still not the same. She loved life a lot more that he does.
All we have is blowhard Larry bragging about how much he pays Lem.
The fact that Lem allows Lawnboy in all his various guises to spew whatever he wants makes me think that Lem is either very naive (a distinct possibility, given his pro-Obama pro-Althouse bent) or likes being Meade's puto.
I've liked Rivers since I was a teen. I was looking forward to her Fashion Police double-header covering the Emmys and another award show. I guess it aired but I missed it. I tried finding a rerun today.
R & B....Thanks for bringing us back on topic, since I went off the rails a bit. Joan Rivers, the comedian I always watched and listened to, even when I disagree with her. You said: "That's the important thing in humor: truth." I agree and that is why I always listened to her. Then again I loved Jonathon Winters too :)....met him once when he was in Detroit and stayed at a hotel on Wayne State University's campus...just in the bar, after his show downtown, with a few of us he had us all laughing so hard we hurt ourselves. I am sure I'd have been equally enamored with Ms Rivers. May she RIP. She reached more people than most of us ever will even know.
Do people here not like Joan Rivers? I mean, in some meaningful definition of the words "not like" that includes the word "hate" in a way that means something different than "I really hate creamed peas."
I like my entertainment with exploding helicopters... that's not Joan River's fault. As far as comedy goes, I didn't really care for Robin Williams either, but I didn't *dislike* him. I always considered Joan funnier than some, maybe most.
Is the old guard passing without anyone new waiting in the wings? I don't know. I sort of doubt it, though it's sad that so many genuinely funny people seem to have decided that they only want to be funny for 50% of the country's population. That's something that the old guard just didn't do.
But the lament about no new stars in comedy is similar to the lament about no new stars on the silver screen, or the dearth of novelists or playwrights writing at the level of the Greats. I believe they are among us but only time will let us know who they are.
I went from not knowing much about a comedienne of my mother's generation to finding her plastic surgery insane to realizing what a treasure it is to have that much vim and pluck in someone 80 years-old. She went to her own roast and was called "every man's dream... that is, if by every man you mean every man who wants to titty-fuck a crocodile." And laughed her ass off at that and every other crack just like she was supposed to, and meant to.
She was insecure but not a hypocrite, and found strength in an outspokenness that results from fearing nothing so much as deviating from the truth. She joked about her vagina lips sagging down to her knees and being long enough to throw around her head if need be.
She got her ass out and worked. I remember the billings outside the RAH in London this summer advertising her shows scheduled for this fall. What a fucking shame they won't be done. 81 years old! And she responded to celebu-pretend-care over Arabian human shields by asking if their self-appointed sponsors (Selena Gomez) even knew how to spell P-A-L-E-S-T-I-N-I-A-N.
In a world gone mad, I'm reminded of one more thing that makes us civilized: The ability to laugh. Humor. Not being prohibited for 14 centuries from imbibing fermented drink and forgetting about our problems for the night. Rivers had that, and she worked her ass off to make sure you had a damn good time knowing it - even when she failed and bed-wetters whimpered about her being allegedly "too mean" (on Hollywood's narcissistic elite, no less!)
And now the world's developments are consumed by that narcissism becoming normative and humorless cheese-bags beheading their way into threatening a world not austere enough for their sand-people ways. What a mess. What a fucking trade-off. What a shame I couldn't shift the timeframe of my life and likely death by 5 decades earlier.
"But the lament about no new stars in comedy is similar to the lament about no new stars on the silver screen, or the dearth of novelists or playwrights writing at the level of the Greats. I believe they are among us but only time will let us know who they are."
Possible. Sometimes we just "don't know who the greats are" and sometimes "the Greats" just don't exist. Identify all the "Great" playwrights from 1850-1900. What were the "great novels" from 1965-1995? Who were the great painters from 1955-1995?
Of course, Comedy is a young person's game. Very few comedians "stay funny". A 30 y/o Robin Williams being wacky and shouting "nanu nanu" is funny (maybe), a 60 y/o Robin Williams doing the same isn't.
Rivers was lucky, she didn't become famous until she was over 40, so her humor wasn't really age dependent.
"Objection. Implies there were great novels after 1995. What were they?"
Overruled. The greatest of novels since 1995 is not in evidence. It is assumed that after 20 years, a "great" novel will have made itself known. Hence, the cut off of 1995.
The great comedians are gone and there aren't as great comedians following them.
How true. A good dose of proof has been the seemingly unending stream of late night television hosts who have failed miserably at being the next Johnny Carson.
No one is as good as Carson.
Comedy's best performers were (or are) all entertainers whose skills developed in the pre-political correctness era. Comedy lost its edge because of political correctness.
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Thank you, Lem. When the visitor is blatantly citing persons, negatively, not here at the time, some never here ever, for comments not made here, but elsewhere, and on topics not in discussion here, it is an intentional form of trolling & stalking...which is actually comical on the Internet. My thanks to you is because you appear to agree that comments from the Turley blog are inappropriate here if there is no other topical connection. Turley handles his place and now you handle yours. Thanks again.
Joan Rivers: "Melissa wasn’t talking to me, my career was in the toilet, I’d lost my Vegas contracts, I’d been fired from Fox," she told the Daily Beast last month. "Carson and NBC had put out such bad publicity about me. I was a pariah. I wasn’t invited anywhere. I was a non-person. At one point, I thought, 'What's the point? This is stupid.'
"What saved me," she continued, "was my dog jumped into my lap. I thought, 'No one will take care of him.' ... I had the gun in my lap, and the dog sat on the gun. I lecture on suicide because things turn around. I tell people this is a horrible, awful dark moment, but it will change and you must know it’s going to change and you push forward. I look back and think, 'Life is great, life goes on. It changes.'"
Bagoh20 ... thanks for that bit about Rivers. I did not know she'd reached that level of desperation for a time...gun in the lap and all that. The dog knew. Her answer was precisely right...in effect suicide is selfish. You can move on and she did. At times she irritated me, but I always watched her whole skit just because...because she said stuff I wished I could maybe?
Suicide, something I've talked several vets out of, and a couple of cops, all the while acknowledging I've thought of it myself at similar experience related depressed moments. It is SELFISH and nothing else...someone else will suffer for your folly...so do not do it. Period. The dog on the lap is germane...to a guy like me anyway. Who would care for your four legged loves if you departed stupidly?
Lem, Good job. I am actively promoting Turley. That creates much anger from TOP. That's what this trolling episode was about. I don't want to cause you grief. If you want me to stop promoting Turley, I will. Not happily, but out of respect.
Joan Rivers: "Melissa wasn’t talking to me, my career was in the toilet, I’d lost my Vegas contracts, I’d been fired from Fox," she told the Daily Beast last month. "Carson and NBC had put out such bad publicity about me. I was a pariah. I wasn’t invited anywhere. I was a non-person. At one point, I thought, 'What's the point? This is stupid.'
"What saved me," she continued, "was my dog jumped into my lap. I thought, 'No one will take care of him.' ... I had the gun in my lap, and the dog sat on the gun. I lecture on suicide because things turn around. I tell people this is a horrible, awful dark moment, but it will change and you must know it’s going to change and you push forward. I look back and think, 'Life is great, life goes on. It changes.'"
Sorry to be the one to go against the general consensus but I do not agree about Joan Rivers.
She was an evil cunt of the first water.
She betrayed Johnny Carson who promoted her and did more than anyone in show business to promote her career. Without Johnny she would have been the Paula Poundstone of her generation. She directly betrayed him by setting up in direct competition with him and attempting to use the fame she had garnered from being the permanent guest host of the Tonight Show to bring him down with her own show on Fox. Without a minutes notice or warning.
Her true character was illuminated on the Celebrity Apprentice when her true essence of evil shrew was on display. This was the woman who drove her own husband to suicide. She was roundly beaten by the poker player girl but was awarded the title by the king of the douches Donald Trump.
To say that she was not politically correct to some important degree is also horseshit. She stayed carefully within the parameters set by the Hollywood Liberal elite. Her defense of Israel was an outlier and only permissible because of her identity as a Jew and the fact that is her audience. The people who are really politically incorrect like Anthony Cumia are forced out of their gigs and forced to find alternative means of expressing themselves. Joan Rivers was a tame beastie who went after all of the easy targets like Sarah Palin and what little she did to people like Obama and Hillary was laughable at best. Very weak.
When the history of great female comics is written (which is a short list like famous Irish teetotalers and genius level black dudes) the names that will be mentioned will be Lucille Ball, Carol Burnett and Mary Tyler Moore. Rivers will be relegated to the ranks of mediocre stand up acts like Roseanne, Margaret Cho and Jeanne Garofalo.
Nick...I don't think the troll cited here was from TOP or any where but from Allie Oop/Inga/Ingemouse/Annie/Unknown, and the couple instances I've noticed were absolutely from comments on Turley's blog, by you and some others...she is fixated on certain people...you are one of them now.
He was every bit as self destructive as Robin Williams, but rather than a belt, Johnny used cigarettes. He was a chain-smoker even after being diagnosed with emphysema, and clearly didn't like life too much.
Further proof of his self-hatred - he got married 4 times. Who, besides a masochist would do such a thing?
But the most damning evidence I can uncover about his lack of self esteem is that he drove a Delorean. Oh, the shame!
So anyone who fought with the dbag Carson is okay in my book, but since we are talking about Hollywood types, they are pretty much all leftist assholes.
Reference Trooper's and 60-Grits' remarks, I have to say that comedians may make me laugh, but I scarcely consider them significant influences on my life. In most cases I know nothing of their personal lives and more importantly, I do not care. They are "jesters" for entertainment, no significance required. I do have to acknowledge that Lucille Ball was a far step above all the rest.
PS: The US private aircraft that went off radio contact today and flew over Cuba, etc., has crashed in Jamaica. US military aircraft verified the windows were frosted/fogged over...indicating an pressurization failure...at any altitude over about 25,000 feet that is fatal if sustained.
TCM presented a series of Johnny Carson specials this year - interviews that had been selected to highlight a particular actor or comedian, and I watched several of them.
I enjoyed seeing Jimmy Stewart - he truly was a great man. Jack Lemon was entertaining, but I liked his work up until The China Syndrome. Red Skelton, whom I never liked, was okay, Diane Keaton is an idiot, as expected, and I missed Angie Dickinson - Troop probably recorded that one.
For me it is very difficult to watch people that I know hate America and try to disassociate their work from their politics.
I can occasionally make that happen, but for the most part, I just don't watch them. If I can't think of something better to do than watch people express hatred for the very system that produced their wealth, then I am not trying hard enough.
But back to the point at hand - Johnny smoked the entire time. WTF? Sure, it's his life to waste as he sees fit, but come on, dude. Cigarettes? Really?
Sounds like what happened to Payne Stewart. Just another reason not to fly on small jets.
In mountaineering the death zone starts somewhere over 18,000 feet, depending on how much one is acclimatized, so 25,000 feet - yep, you aren't going to last long without O2.
Yeah. But, I am an ex-smoker since 28 March 2012, the day cancer was positively identified in my lungs. I quit...but I never quit wishing I could still smoke.
To this day, I have to resist the temptation to buy a pack of Camels or Winstons every time I am in a store who sells them. Some one tells you, after a lifetime of smoking and enjoying it, that you will soon forget you craved it...they are bull shitting you, because they never really were addicted themselves. I am 55 years out (72 total age) and still to this very f'ing minute I wish I could fire up just one more Camel, no filter, just the pure nasty thing.
If an when my next PET/CT scan comes back with a dead-man-walking diagnosis I will buy a carton of Camels and smoke like a furnace...or at least like the guy I always was. My next check up and review of the Pet-CT is Monday 08 September 2014. We'l see :-)). I am fairly confident I am okay...but if not, so be it.
Aridog, Most people are better @ picking out moby's better than I. But, I think it's lawnboy. Annie has been @ Turley's for a year. When she comes @ me regarding Turley it's a screed like she did a couple months ago. With several of us refugees going to Turley's, 3 of you just recently, it is driving TOP crazy. The coming @ me is because I'm rubbing it into TOP every chance I get. Every person who comes to Turley's will drive them, and Annie, more and more crazy. But, primarily TOP. Annie is already peaked on crazy and hateful. I become more and more convinced the stories about her "working" in the nervous hospital was her actually being a patient there.
Nick...I confess, I seldom read, and never comment on TOP. About another 10 minutes and that will also apply to Turley. Sorry, but he lets the crazy lady run amok...good for him, but I can do without it. That...and I don't think Meade is all that creative to literally copy the LPN word for word.
However, anything that drives TOP crazy is good with me. I can only hope, at best. I'd actually prefer that this blog, Professor Turleys' blog, be far better than TOP...but that is not up to me.
Trooper - I'm really not getting where you're coming from. Carson retired in 1992 - not more than six years after Joan's offer. I doubt she planned it to be competing with his.. that's the sort of thing that falls under "network decision". Further, it's obvious from her reaching out that she didn't intend him harm. Some capitalists actually don't take competition personally. I guess you feel they should. Either way, it doesn't reflect well on Carson… it just shows him to be even more insecure than her. Helping to advance a career that surpasses your own is a kindness that some of us understand, those who don't begrudge others' talents. I guess Carson had the way he imagined his own existence to be more important though. What a shame.
Joan also traded her daughter's place with Bristol Palin on the celebrity wife swap show. You can accuse her of everything nasty under the sun other than being an old clod, I guess. You know, it happens. But she wasn't mean and expressed a whole lot of love at the end. I thought it was nice. Some people don't get their every interaction perfect. Not all of us think that's a sin. Given how bratty Palin's kid is, I think she got a decent opportunity. Joan was nothing if not gracious about it.
If Anthony Cumia wants a bigger audience he could try being as versatile as Joan Rivers was and remained up until the end. She was a creative-marketing genius, and fiercely protective of her family. Not the best wife? No one said she didn't carry her insecurities into her relationships. But some people think being a better mother and grandmother is at least as important. It's hard to argue that she wasn't.
And however calling Obama "gay" and FLOTUS a "tranny" is a way of staying confined to the parameters of the liberal elite…? There's just no way to take that seriously. She was probably as much a Republican as anything else anyway.
Joan Rivers was pretty darn relevant to a generation that moved beyond vaudeville and sight gags. If you can't recognize her talent for what it was, I think you just don't like what comedy became. Even though, like all endeavors, it must evolve to stay relevant.
I saw that documentary on Joan Rivers. I think she was more interesting as a person than as a comedian. She was self aware and presented an image of being in charge of her life while, at the same time, the dark gods were tossing her about like a rag doll. She could kid about all that plastic surgery, but she kept going back for more. What need did the surgeon fill? Those procedures must have hurt, and, in the end, she still looked like an old woman, albeit one with strangely smooth and waxen skin. And all that touring. She didn't need the money, but she kept slogging away. What was so fulfilling about telling Liz Taylor fat jokes that she was willing to endure so much discomfort and tedium to go on the road and tell them to a room full of strangers......I think in the end her only real relationship was with her audience. Her daughter seemed more an appendage than a relation, and my guess is that the more she got tossed about by fate, the more she told her subordinates that she was in charge......She dressed her demons up in funny, clown hats, but they were the ones who were playing with her. She was smart and brave, but there were lots of things she didn't understand and lots of terrors she dodged.
I agree. She definitely had demons and didn't ultimately confront them so much as use the gifts of comedy to look past them, and it's true that comes at the expense of insight. But her interview with that shrink was good, and, I think, ultimately gave her a clue as to the self-awareness she'd been overlooking. Too little too late, but a start.
I think she reminds me a bit of my mom, but more stunted. And the focus on money and looks never lost their grip, but at some point I realized they didn't prevent her from being human enough. At first I thought the septuagenerian surgeries looked grotesque, but I got used to them. Hell, if she can keep it up, why the hell not? She made herself look like Zsa Zsa, and ultimately in a credible way. I'm sure tons of less extensive procedures go worse, like Kenny Rogers' for instance.
And the wealth drive was no more insidious than what drives most entrepreneurs. She wanted to be the best, in the form of the smartest diva ever, and it fueled her creativity as much as her creativity fueled the reward. At some point, one loses focus of what's driving what, but I guess that's why I'm not an entrepreneur. She knew how to make her own brand, and how to make it interesting. It was interesting. She took her grandson rock climbing at 78 and actually got her ass in the harness and tried to scuttle her butt up the wall, too. I find it impossible not to respect someone like that. It's one thing to respect old people for being interesting and relating their wisdom and experiences to you. Rivers took it to a whole other level and tried to drink in as much life as a twenty-year old could want to, even sixty years later. And not as stupidly but with a worldliness - or if you like, a world-weariness, that was sad but gleeful and touching. Either way, it was novel… and it was awesome.
Mmm, unfiltered Camels. I watch a lot of old movies and many of the characters light up and smoke - sometimes I swear I can smell the match and the sweet sweet tobacco smoke.
I smoked unfiltered Camels back in the day - I stopped 43 years ago - but to this day they call to me. So yeah, I get it.
But I chose life over a wheezing early death. I like breathing, not that I am very good at it, but I don't see any reason to degrade what little ability I have in that area any further.
Stinkin' injuns - they sure got even with us in the long haul...
Have to disagree, chick. I've watched all seasons of Runway, and Heidi is straightforward and business-like, but when she says good-bye and gives a kiss and says she's sorry they've been auf-ed, she is sincere, or a least as sincere as one can be on a reality show. Nina is much more harsh.
@ARM: Those are some interesting thoughts about Joan. She had some life affirming qualities, but I don't think there are many mourners besides yourself who found those qualities motherly and comforting......She reminds me of David Blaine. You marvel a little at his feats but more at what are the dynamics that cause a man to undertake such feats......There was a Sammy Glick quality to Joan. The lab tech has folded his coat and gone home, but the little white rat keeps pressing the food lever.
I don't think one can overstate the importance of knowing who Trooper judges to be a hell bound "evil cunt" and who Trooper judges to be worthy of eternal life in heaven. As a longtime Defender of the Faith, Trooper knows the score.
I see an expansion project has just been completed in Hell, adding a tenth circle to the traditional nine.
The news item says, "Prior to the construction of the tenth circle, many among the new wave of sinners had been placed in such circles as Hoarders and Squanderers, Sowers of Discord, Flatterers and Seducers, Violent Against Art, and Hypocrites. Hell authorities, however, say that the new level, the Circle of Total Bastards, located at the site of the former Well of Giants just above the Frozen Lake at Hell's center, better suits their insidious brand of evil."
Who will be consigned to the new circle is, of course, the business of the Almightly, upon whose Judgement no worthy person would presume. Nor, should any imagine themselves exempt from an eternity in such new and spacious accommodation, crowded as it doubtless will become.
Hell authorities, however, say that the new level, the Circle of Total Bastards, located at the site of the former Well of Giants just above the Frozen Lake at Hell's center, better suits their insidious brand of evil.
Speaking of Evi.L's with a loud moo, and the OPs of Other Places, there's a reddish blonde haired cow who's been knocking them out of the park in the comment section over at Glenn's lately!
Congratulations on getting the thumb Evi.L! It beats the heck out of the boot! Or the hammer!
Hey, you can't knock a drunk for drinking - after all, without alcohol he would have no buffer between him and that nasty cunt who lets him sleep on the floor next to her bed.
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Don Rickles is probably on edge about now.
Am I the only one thinking these people are gone and not being replaced?
They did something that it seems to be no longer needed.
I try to follow what you are writing, but I am not sure that you are writing what you think you are writing.
Are you saying that humor is no longer needed? That it just seems to be no longer needed?
No one is being replaced, except for Americans, who are being replaced by illegals.
The great comedians are gone and there aren't as great comedians following them. that's what I mean by "being replaced".
Clean up on Aisle 3.
Somebody pooped.
Lem said...
Am I the only one thinking these people are gone and not being replaced?
You are not the only one.
Check out the local humor from Unknown at 6:19 PM
Not funny.
Yes, Amartel, and pooped in their pants.
I'm not sure it's a good idea to have internet service at the asylum.
When everybody lives like a king, with very little to no needs and mostly all wants, there maybe no need for comedy.
Humor reminds people of things they rather forget.
Ah, yes, and here is the troll "unknown" with citations from the Turley blog. Again. Why? No one listening to you at Turley's? I mean you do try ever so hard to be the civil conduct moderator at Turley's, except when you want to insult someone yourself. So now you come to shit in the hat here? Bravo.
Lem...I'll donate $100 to Lem's Levity the minute you begin to delete on sight the poster "Unknown"...who always shows up with nonsense from another blog. That is a troll, no other word for it.
I was a bit surprised @ how much Rivers is hated by people here. But, to each their own. I thought she was tough and funny. That's how I like my women.
Aridog, I appreciate you having my back. But, I'll take the hits because Unknown is spotlighting a good legal blog, Turley. We all left a HORSESHIT narcissistic, legal blog. So, spotlighting Turley is worth the lameness by lawnboy.
The problem is, no matter how much we offer to pay, Unk/Non is paying Lem more.
Sure, it's money that rightfully belongs to someone else, but since Lem benefits, the troll remains.
It's simple really, that and either the drinking light is lit at TOP or Inga is now going free-range.
When the messenger is spewing crap that just makes him sound stupid, maybe shooting the messenger is the compassionate thing to do. You have to have a deeper compassion for people who don't even realize how dumb they are. They really are helpless little creatures wasting oxygen that could be put to better use burning cigars.
I liked Rivers. Tough, funny, talented broad who never gave up, and she looked pretty good for 81. She was a fighter, a worker, and a winner.
Nick...got yo disagree this time. "Unknown" isn't promoting anything but him/her self. I am the one who is connecting it to Turley. There is no place on Lem's or Turley's for a commenter who always posts off topic addressing comments not made on that blog, whichever one. I think we differ on just who "unknown" is...the snark is more like a woman we both know.
If you have an ISP or other evidence connecting "Unknown" to another better known name or nick, let me know (via my email in my profile). I will cite it to Professor Turley.
BTW...I made my donation to Lem's Levity anyway, just hoping that one day Lem will grown the balls of Prof Turley and can these spurious posts (Like Haz does)....when they are so obviously out of order and off topic....and cite persons who do not post here on Lem's at all, to boot.
60-Grit...I'd like to see some evidence that Unk/Non is paying more. I've heard all the talk, now I'd like to see the walk, or Lem just outright admit it here or in an email to me. If he's on TOP's teat he doesn't need anything from me.
The moment I determine that Lem's Levity is an adjunct of TOP I am gone. I don't want to believe it, but as I've said, I've been stupid before.
I try to make it $100 every 6 months, and will increase that when I can...back in the day I did the same quarterly at TOP. I was stupid and I admit it.
I liked Joan Rivers' work - like Don Rickles she took shots at everyone. Both very funny people.
60-Grit....
PS: I think you are closer to the truth on the crazy lady going free range. The syntax of the comments sound exactly like her.
No matter, she/he/it needs to be deleted on sight. Or this place is nothing but a trash heap.
Pretty sad. She had as much grit and wit to get through life as the world would need all the way up until the end.
I hate the way the looking-to-be-offended crowd cast her as "mean". She might have gone overboard on fashion policing, but it shows you how stupid people are to protect the fragile feelings of her narcissistic celebrity targets. And it's not like she couldn't get as good as she gave, so she was obviously no hypocrite. That's the important thing in humor: truth. And it's not like she wouldn't open up to those few who did overcome their own bullshit and show her the ounce of humanity lurking beneath their all-important image. She was insecure, but not selfish. Not at all. And never dishonest.
Yeah it's tragic and no one with as much grit and honesty seems to be replacing them. Maybe time will tell. But with an overindulged baby boomer generation giving way to narcissistic "millennials", prospects don't look so good.
It's almost enough to make you look that much more forward to going to wherever she went, if that's possible. If not, it makes the task of taking on the humorless, the narcissists and the bullshitters all the more urgent while we remain.
In the meantime, I'm not sure I can recommend much other than this guy's feed. But still not the same. She loved life a lot more that he does.
All we have is blowhard Larry bragging about how much he pays Lem.
The fact that Lem allows Lawnboy in all his various guises to spew whatever he wants makes me think that Lem is either very naive (a distinct possibility, given his pro-Obama pro-Althouse bent) or likes being Meade's puto.
I've liked Rivers since I was a teen. I was looking forward to her Fashion Police double-header covering the Emmys and another award show. I guess it aired but I missed it. I tried finding a rerun today.
R & B....Thanks for bringing us back on topic, since I went off the rails a bit. Joan Rivers, the comedian I always watched and listened to, even when I disagree with her. You said: "That's the important thing in humor: truth." I agree and that is why I always listened to her. Then again I loved Jonathon Winters too :)....met him once when he was in Detroit and stayed at a hotel on Wayne State University's campus...just in the bar, after his show downtown, with a few of us he had us all laughing so hard we hurt ourselves. I am sure I'd have been equally enamored with Ms Rivers. May she RIP. She reached more people than most of us ever will even know.
The great comedians are gone and there aren't as great comedians following them.
What about Triumph the Insult Dog?
Good point, ricpic.
"I thought she was tough and funny. That's how I like my women."
Really? I like my women rich, Asian, and pretty. And I got 2 outta 3.
Don Rickles - Newhart - Woody Allen - Mel Brooks - Carl Reiner.
They're all getting up there. Just a matter of time.
Passing of the old guard.
Do people here not like Joan Rivers? I mean, in some meaningful definition of the words "not like" that includes the word "hate" in a way that means something different than "I really hate creamed peas."
I like my entertainment with exploding helicopters... that's not Joan River's fault. As far as comedy goes, I didn't really care for Robin Williams either, but I didn't *dislike* him. I always considered Joan funnier than some, maybe most.
Is the old guard passing without anyone new waiting in the wings? I don't know. I sort of doubt it, though it's sad that so many genuinely funny people seem to have decided that they only want to be funny for 50% of the country's population. That's something that the old guard just didn't do.
But the lament about no new stars in comedy is similar to the lament about no new stars on the silver screen, or the dearth of novelists or playwrights writing at the level of the Greats. I believe they are among us but only time will let us know who they are.
I hope you are right Synova.
I like Joan Rivers a lot. I've been listening to her for years during the time my wife and daughter watched her.
It's Heidi Klum who I can't stand. She comes across as a shmarmy PC policewoman.
She doesn't have the CL Seal of approval, eh?
She makes people cry on her show and gets off on it. Heidi is cruel.
I went from not knowing much about a comedienne of my mother's generation to finding her plastic surgery insane to realizing what a treasure it is to have that much vim and pluck in someone 80 years-old. She went to her own roast and was called "every man's dream... that is, if by every man you mean every man who wants to titty-fuck a crocodile." And laughed her ass off at that and every other crack just like she was supposed to, and meant to.
She was insecure but not a hypocrite, and found strength in an outspokenness that results from fearing nothing so much as deviating from the truth. She joked about her vagina lips sagging down to her knees and being long enough to throw around her head if need be.
She got her ass out and worked. I remember the billings outside the RAH in London this summer advertising her shows scheduled for this fall. What a fucking shame they won't be done. 81 years old! And she responded to celebu-pretend-care over Arabian human shields by asking if their self-appointed sponsors (Selena Gomez) even knew how to spell P-A-L-E-S-T-I-N-I-A-N.
In a world gone mad, I'm reminded of one more thing that makes us civilized: The ability to laugh. Humor. Not being prohibited for 14 centuries from imbibing fermented drink and forgetting about our problems for the night. Rivers had that, and she worked her ass off to make sure you had a damn good time knowing it - even when she failed and bed-wetters whimpered about her being allegedly "too mean" (on Hollywood's narcissistic elite, no less!)
And now the world's developments are consumed by that narcissism becoming normative and humorless cheese-bags beheading their way into threatening a world not austere enough for their sand-people ways. What a mess. What a fucking trade-off. What a shame I couldn't shift the timeframe of my life and likely death by 5 decades earlier.
Just what a shame.
And no Robin Williams either.
What a fucking shitbag of a year.
I think this time, Johnny's going to have to take her call.
"But the lament about no new stars in comedy is similar to the lament about no new stars on the silver screen, or the dearth of novelists or playwrights writing at the level of the Greats. I believe they are among us but only time will let us know who they are."
Possible. Sometimes we just "don't know who the greats are" and sometimes "the Greats" just don't exist. Identify all the "Great" playwrights from 1850-1900. What were the "great novels" from 1965-1995? Who were the great painters from 1955-1995?
Sometimes the "dark ages" really are "dark".
What were the "great novels" from 1965-1995?
Objection. Implies there were great novels after 1995. What were they?
Of course, Comedy is a young person's game. Very few comedians "stay funny". A 30 y/o Robin Williams being wacky and shouting "nanu nanu" is funny (maybe), a 60 y/o Robin Williams doing the same isn't.
Rivers was lucky, she didn't become famous until she was over 40, so her humor wasn't really age dependent.
...normative and humorless cheese-bags beheading their way into threatening a world not austere enough for their sand-people ways.
I like that. All those hot black clothes in that climate probably curdles their ISIL sweat into fetid rank "cheese."
"Objection. Implies there were great novels after 1995. What were they?"
Overruled. The greatest of novels since 1995 is not in evidence. It is assumed that after 20 years, a "great" novel will have made itself known. Hence, the cut off of 1995.
If the counselor will not object, I will submit - waiving the 20 year rule - that novel....uh....
Well, lets just assume that there might have been a great novel in the last 20 years.
Mkay?
I have to say the hype about how "ground-breaking" she was is way overdone.
She may have paved the way for a lot of feminist "comics", but it depends on how funny you think loud and vulgar is.
Sads :(
I wonder what type of surgery. Was it elective?
11:47 R & B - Great post. Thanks.
The great comedians are gone and there aren't as great comedians following them.
How true. A good dose of proof has been the seemingly unending stream of late night television hosts who have failed miserably at being the next Johnny Carson.
No one is as good as Carson.
Comedy's best performers were (or are) all entertainers whose skills developed in the pre-political correctness era. Comedy lost its edge because of political correctness.
"I've had so much plastic surgery, when I die they will donate my body to Tupperware."
-Joan Rivers
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Thank you, Lem. When the visitor is blatantly citing persons, negatively, not here at the time, some never here ever, for comments not made here, but elsewhere, and on topics not in discussion here, it is an intentional form of trolling & stalking...which is actually comical on the Internet. My thanks to you is because you appear to agree that comments from the Turley blog are inappropriate here if there is no other topical connection. Turley handles his place and now you handle yours. Thanks again.
I don't have much of an opinion about Joan Rivers, one way or the other.
My loss, probably.
Joan Rivers:
"Melissa wasn’t talking to me, my career was in the toilet, I’d lost my Vegas contracts, I’d been fired from Fox," she told the Daily Beast last month. "Carson and NBC had put out such bad publicity about me. I was a pariah. I wasn’t invited anywhere. I was a non-person. At one point, I thought, 'What's the point? This is stupid.'
"What saved me," she continued, "was my dog jumped into my lap. I thought, 'No one will take care of him.' ... I had the gun in my lap, and the dog sat on the gun. I lecture on suicide because things turn around. I tell people this is a horrible, awful dark moment, but it will change and you must know it’s going to change and you push forward. I look back and think, 'Life is great, life goes on. It changes.'"
~ ABC News
I do have an opinion about Ms. Rivers' message of hope.
I like it.
Our little furry friends are life savers.
Good job, Lem - now I can ignore your Manglish - that's mangled English - and enjoy the good parts of this blog.
Keep up the good work.
Bagoh20 ... thanks for that bit about Rivers. I did not know she'd reached that level of desperation for a time...gun in the lap and all that. The dog knew. Her answer was precisely right...in effect suicide is selfish. You can move on and she did. At times she irritated me, but I always watched her whole skit just because...because she said stuff I wished I could maybe?
Suicide, something I've talked several vets out of, and a couple of cops, all the while acknowledging I've thought of it myself at similar experience related depressed moments. It is SELFISH and nothing else...someone else will suffer for your folly...so do not do it. Period. The dog on the lap is germane...to a guy like me anyway. Who would care for your four legged loves if you departed stupidly?
Lem, Good job. I am actively promoting Turley. That creates much anger from TOP. That's what this trolling episode was about. I don't want to cause you grief. If you want me to stop promoting Turley, I will. Not happily, but out of respect.
I'll miss this woman. I was a huge fan of hers. Still am.
bagoh20 said...
Joan Rivers:
"Melissa wasn’t talking to me, my career was in the toilet, I’d lost my Vegas contracts, I’d been fired from Fox," she told the Daily Beast last month. "Carson and NBC had put out such bad publicity about me. I was a pariah. I wasn’t invited anywhere. I was a non-person. At one point, I thought, 'What's the point? This is stupid.'
"What saved me," she continued, "was my dog jumped into my lap. I thought, 'No one will take care of him.' ... I had the gun in my lap, and the dog sat on the gun. I lecture on suicide because things turn around. I tell people this is a horrible, awful dark moment, but it will change and you must know it’s going to change and you push forward. I look back and think, 'Life is great, life goes on. It changes.'"
~ ABC News
In the vain of Joan Rivers: That fucking dog!!!
Sorry to be the one to go against the general consensus but I do not agree about Joan Rivers.
She was an evil cunt of the first water.
She betrayed Johnny Carson who promoted her and did more than anyone in show business to promote her career. Without Johnny she would have been the Paula Poundstone of her generation. She directly betrayed him by setting up in direct competition with him and attempting to use the fame she had garnered from being the permanent guest host of the Tonight Show to bring him down with her own show on Fox. Without a minutes notice or warning.
Her true character was illuminated on the Celebrity Apprentice when her true essence of evil shrew was on display. This was the woman who drove her own husband to suicide. She was roundly beaten by the poker player girl but was awarded the title by the king of the douches Donald Trump.
To say that she was not politically correct to some important degree is also horseshit. She stayed carefully within the parameters set by the Hollywood Liberal elite. Her defense of Israel was an outlier and only permissible because of her identity as a Jew and the fact that is her audience. The people who are really politically incorrect like Anthony Cumia are forced out of their gigs and forced to find alternative means of expressing themselves. Joan Rivers was a tame beastie who went after all of the easy targets like Sarah Palin and what little she did to people like Obama and Hillary was laughable at best. Very weak.
When the history of great female comics is written (which is a short list like famous Irish teetotalers and genius level black dudes) the names that will be mentioned will be Lucille Ball, Carol Burnett and Mary Tyler Moore. Rivers will be relegated to the ranks of mediocre stand up acts like Roseanne, Margaret Cho and Jeanne Garofalo.
But don't mind me. As you know I am just a hater.
Nick...I don't think the troll cited here was from TOP or any where but from Allie Oop/Inga/Ingemouse/Annie/Unknown, and the couple instances I've noticed were absolutely from comments on Turley's blog, by you and some others...she is fixated on certain people...you are one of them now.
I despise Johnny Carson. There, I said it.
He was every bit as self destructive as Robin Williams, but rather than a belt, Johnny used cigarettes. He was a chain-smoker even after being diagnosed with emphysema, and clearly didn't like life too much.
Further proof of his self-hatred - he got married 4 times. Who, besides a masochist would do such a thing?
But the most damning evidence I can uncover about his lack of self esteem is that he drove a Delorean. Oh, the shame!
So anyone who fought with the dbag Carson is okay in my book, but since we are talking about Hollywood types, they are pretty much all leftist assholes.
Reference Trooper's and 60-Grits' remarks, I have to say that comedians may make me laugh, but I scarcely consider them significant influences on my life. In most cases I know nothing of their personal lives and more importantly, I do not care. They are "jesters" for entertainment, no significance required. I do have to acknowledge that Lucille Ball was a far step above all the rest.
PS: The US private aircraft that went off radio contact today and flew over Cuba, etc., has crashed in Jamaica. US military aircraft verified the windows were frosted/fogged over...indicating an pressurization failure...at any altitude over about 25,000 feet that is fatal if sustained.
Correction: the plane crashed in to the sea near Jamaica.
TCM presented a series of Johnny Carson specials this year - interviews that had been selected to highlight a particular actor or comedian, and I watched several of them.
I enjoyed seeing Jimmy Stewart - he truly was a great man. Jack Lemon was entertaining, but I liked his work up until The China Syndrome. Red Skelton, whom I never liked, was okay, Diane Keaton is an idiot, as expected, and I missed Angie Dickinson - Troop probably recorded that one.
For me it is very difficult to watch people that I know hate America and try to disassociate their work from their politics.
I can occasionally make that happen, but for the most part, I just don't watch them. If I can't think of something better to do than watch people express hatred for the very system that produced their wealth, then I am not trying hard enough.
But back to the point at hand - Johnny smoked the entire time. WTF? Sure, it's his life to waste as he sees fit, but come on, dude. Cigarettes? Really?
Sounds like what happened to Payne Stewart. Just another reason not to fly on small jets.
In mountaineering the death zone starts somewhere over 18,000 feet, depending on how much one is acclimatized, so 25,000 feet - yep, you aren't going to last long without O2.
Trooper becomes more of a curmudgeon every day. Fuck, he might past Sixty soon.
60-Grit...you said:
but come on, dude. Cigarettes? Really?
Yeah. But, I am an ex-smoker since 28 March 2012, the day cancer was positively identified in my lungs. I quit...but I never quit wishing I could still smoke.
To this day, I have to resist the temptation to buy a pack of Camels or Winstons every time I am in a store who sells them. Some one tells you, after a lifetime of smoking and enjoying it, that you will soon forget you craved it...they are bull shitting you, because they never really were addicted themselves. I am 55 years out (72 total age) and still to this very f'ing minute I wish I could fire up just one more Camel, no filter, just the pure nasty thing.
If an when my next PET/CT scan comes back with a dead-man-walking diagnosis I will buy a carton of Camels and smoke like a furnace...or at least like the guy I always was. My next check up and review of the Pet-CT is Monday 08 September 2014. We'l see :-)). I am fairly confident I am okay...but if not, so be it.
Aridog, Most people are better @ picking out moby's better than I. But, I think it's lawnboy. Annie has been @ Turley's for a year. When she comes @ me regarding Turley it's a screed like she did a couple months ago. With several of us refugees going to Turley's, 3 of you just recently, it is driving TOP crazy. The coming @ me is because I'm rubbing it into TOP every chance I get. Every person who comes to Turley's will drive them, and Annie, more and more crazy. But, primarily TOP. Annie is already peaked on crazy and hateful. I become more and more convinced the stories about her "working" in the nervous hospital was her actually being a patient there.
Nick...I confess, I seldom read, and never comment on TOP. About another 10 minutes and that will also apply to Turley. Sorry, but he lets the crazy lady run amok...good for him, but I can do without it. That...and I don't think Meade is all that creative to literally copy the LPN word for word.
However, anything that drives TOP crazy is good with me. I can only hope, at best. I'd actually prefer that this blog, Professor Turleys' blog, be far better than TOP...but that is not up to me.
I give up.
Almost...soon to be entire.
Johnny Carson was a nasty bigoted drunk with a mean streak.
I guess I like him because he is just like me.
Only richer and better looking.
She was an evil cunt of the first water.
Every person has a dark side.
Rivers invited people laugh, over and over, in a variety of ways. There's some redemption in that.
I find more darkness (absence of knowledge and light) in the humorless than I do in those who know how to laugh and invite others to do the same.
Johnny Carson was a nasty bigoted drunk with a mean streak.
Hey, he could have started a blog, if there were blogs back in his day.
I don't know MamaM.
I heard Hitler told a mean Knock Knock joke.
Thanks April -
Trooper - I'm really not getting where you're coming from. Carson retired in 1992 - not more than six years after Joan's offer. I doubt she planned it to be competing with his.. that's the sort of thing that falls under "network decision". Further, it's obvious from her reaching out that she didn't intend him harm. Some capitalists actually don't take competition personally. I guess you feel they should. Either way, it doesn't reflect well on Carson… it just shows him to be even more insecure than her. Helping to advance a career that surpasses your own is a kindness that some of us understand, those who don't begrudge others' talents. I guess Carson had the way he imagined his own existence to be more important though. What a shame.
Joan also traded her daughter's place with Bristol Palin on the celebrity wife swap show. You can accuse her of everything nasty under the sun other than being an old clod, I guess. You know, it happens. But she wasn't mean and expressed a whole lot of love at the end. I thought it was nice. Some people don't get their every interaction perfect. Not all of us think that's a sin. Given how bratty Palin's kid is, I think she got a decent opportunity. Joan was nothing if not gracious about it.
If Anthony Cumia wants a bigger audience he could try being as versatile as Joan Rivers was and remained up until the end. She was a creative-marketing genius, and fiercely protective of her family. Not the best wife? No one said she didn't carry her insecurities into her relationships. But some people think being a better mother and grandmother is at least as important. It's hard to argue that she wasn't.
And however calling Obama "gay" and FLOTUS a "tranny" is a way of staying confined to the parameters of the liberal elite…? There's just no way to take that seriously. She was probably as much a Republican as anything else anyway.
Joan Rivers was pretty darn relevant to a generation that moved beyond vaudeville and sight gags. If you can't recognize her talent for what it was, I think you just don't like what comedy became. Even though, like all endeavors, it must evolve to stay relevant.
I saw that documentary on Joan Rivers. I think she was more interesting as a person than as a comedian. She was self aware and presented an image of being in charge of her life while, at the same time, the dark gods were tossing her about like a rag doll. She could kid about all that plastic surgery, but she kept going back for more. What need did the surgeon fill? Those procedures must have hurt, and, in the end, she still looked like an old woman, albeit one with strangely smooth and waxen skin. And all that touring. She didn't need the money, but she kept slogging away. What was so fulfilling about telling Liz Taylor fat jokes that she was willing to endure so much discomfort and tedium to go on the road and tell them to a room full of strangers......I think in the end her only real relationship was with her audience. Her daughter seemed more an appendage than a relation, and my guess is that the more she got tossed about by fate, the more she told her subordinates that she was in charge......She dressed her demons up in funny, clown hats, but they were the ones who were playing with her. She was smart and brave, but there were lots of things she didn't understand and lots of terrors she dodged.
I agree. She definitely had demons and didn't ultimately confront them so much as use the gifts of comedy to look past them, and it's true that comes at the expense of insight. But her interview with that shrink was good, and, I think, ultimately gave her a clue as to the self-awareness she'd been overlooking. Too little too late, but a start.
I think she reminds me a bit of my mom, but more stunted. And the focus on money and looks never lost their grip, but at some point I realized they didn't prevent her from being human enough. At first I thought the septuagenerian surgeries looked grotesque, but I got used to them. Hell, if she can keep it up, why the hell not? She made herself look like Zsa Zsa, and ultimately in a credible way. I'm sure tons of less extensive procedures go worse, like Kenny Rogers' for instance.
And the wealth drive was no more insidious than what drives most entrepreneurs. She wanted to be the best, in the form of the smartest diva ever, and it fueled her creativity as much as her creativity fueled the reward. At some point, one loses focus of what's driving what, but I guess that's why I'm not an entrepreneur. She knew how to make her own brand, and how to make it interesting. It was interesting. She took her grandson rock climbing at 78 and actually got her ass in the harness and tried to scuttle her butt up the wall, too. I find it impossible not to respect someone like that. It's one thing to respect old people for being interesting and relating their wisdom and experiences to you. Rivers took it to a whole other level and tried to drink in as much life as a twenty-year old could want to, even sixty years later. And not as stupidly but with a worldliness - or if you like, a world-weariness, that was sad but gleeful and touching. Either way, it was novel… and it was awesome.
Mmm, unfiltered Camels. I watch a lot of old movies and many of the characters light up and smoke - sometimes I swear I can smell the match and the sweet sweet tobacco smoke.
I smoked unfiltered Camels back in the day - I stopped 43 years ago - but to this day they call to me. So yeah, I get it.
But I chose life over a wheezing early death. I like breathing, not that I am very good at it, but I don't see any reason to degrade what little ability I have in that area any further.
Stinkin' injuns - they sure got even with us in the long haul...
"I have to say the hype about how "ground-breaking" she was is way overdone."
Wouldn't Phyllis Diller have been the ground-breaking one?
Have to disagree, chick. I've watched all seasons of Runway, and Heidi is straightforward and business-like, but when she says good-bye and gives a kiss and says she's sorry they've been auf-ed, she is sincere, or a least as sincere as one can be on a reality show. Nina is much more harsh.
@ARM: Those are some interesting thoughts about Joan. She had some life affirming qualities, but I don't think there are many mourners besides yourself who found those qualities motherly and comforting......She reminds me of David Blaine. You marvel a little at his feats but more at what are the dynamics that cause a man to undertake such feats......There was a Sammy Glick quality to Joan. The lab tech has folded his coat and gone home, but the little white rat keeps pressing the food lever.
Drudge has a great piece written by Peggy Noonan on Rivers. They were friends and friends of the Reagans. I emailed it to Trooper.
" I emailed it to Trooper."
Thanks, Nick. Let us know his reply will you?
I don't think one can overstate the importance of knowing who Trooper judges to be a hell bound "evil cunt" and who Trooper judges to be worthy of eternal life in heaven. As a longtime Defender of the Faith, Trooper knows the score.
Just sayin'.
I have a theory of why Trooper hates Joan but I'm not talkin'
I have a theory about a lot of other things blod-related but I'm not talkin' about that either.
"blog" not "blod"
I see an expansion project has just been completed in Hell, adding a tenth circle to the traditional nine.
The news item says, "Prior to the construction of the tenth circle, many among the new wave of sinners had been placed in such circles as Hoarders and Squanderers, Sowers of Discord, Flatterers and Seducers, Violent Against Art, and Hypocrites. Hell authorities, however, say that the new level, the Circle of Total Bastards, located at the site of the former Well of Giants just above the Frozen Lake at Hell's center, better suits their insidious brand of evil."
Who will be consigned to the new circle is, of course, the business of the Almightly, upon whose Judgement no worthy person would presume. Nor, should any imagine themselves exempt from an eternity in such new and spacious accommodation, crowded as it doubtless will become.
Lost Weekend.
Days of Wine and Roses.
The Ice Man Cometh.
Trooper just made an appearance over @ Turley's.
From TTBurnett's link (emphasis added):
Hell authorities, however, say that the new level, the Circle of Total Bastards, located at the site of the former Well of Giants just above the Frozen Lake at Hell's center, better suits their insidious brand of evil.
Speaking of Evi.L's with a loud moo, and the OPs of Other Places, there's a reddish blonde haired cow who's been knocking them out of the park in the comment section over at Glenn's lately!
Congratulations on getting the thumb Evi.L! It beats the heck out of the boot! Or the hammer!
Hey, you can't knock a drunk for drinking - after all, without alcohol he would have no buffer between him and that nasty cunt who lets him sleep on the floor next to her bed.
"Trooper just made an appearance over @ Turley's."
Oh pray tell what did he say?
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