Monday, June 9, 2014

Grace and Magnanimity

Sunday was a day of great delight.  I had the honor of spending it with some of my childhood heroes, old men who were younger men back in the 1950s and 1960s.

I grew up hanging around a dirt race track in my hometown.  Saturday nights were race nights, and I happily walked the four miles from home to the track, than back again after the races were finished.  I was a pit rat -  a young kid who would gofer things for any team that'd need a volunteer.  Later on, I'd get to wrench a little bit here and there - change a tire, tighten this, help adjust that, put the jack under the car, and so on.

The the young men who raced back then are now old men.  Most are in their eighties and nineties.  My old racetrack is long gone, having been sold to a company that builds big-box stores.  But another racetrack, some 30 miles distant, still operates and last night was set aside to honor the old timers.

I went, and got to rub some old elbows and touch a few old race cars.



Miles Melius is now in his nineties.  He once won every race he entered, for an entire season.  He's still an interesting guy, and listening to him banter with other old drivers he raced against was a lot of fun.  Happy, polite, respectful guys.  Miles somehow crawled through the window of his old, now lovingly restored, race car and rolled a few slow laps.

The old race cars are long gone, replaced by newer, faster, and far more expensive cars. Here's a photo of the field taken during the pace lap before the main feature race.


The pace car in front is owned by Billy Schwister, another old racer.  He took his old race car and modified it to be street legal, hence the headlights, tail lights, horn, etc.  And the doors open so he can more easily get into it.  He drives it around town when the weather is nice.

The feature was awesome!  60 laps of hard, fast, intense racing.  The final 15 laps were a two-car battle for first place.  There was passing, re-passing, banging, bumping, rubbing, sliding, and pushing all around the track.  The fans were standing on the bleachers, cheering, yelling, and clapping.  The winner made a great final pass in the last turn before the finish line.  The crowd went wild!

The first and second place drivers parked their cars at the start/finish line, got out, and congratulated each other.  They praised each other in post-race interviews.  They complimented each other, they shook hands, they slapped each other on the back.  The winner was gracious and humble in victory, the second place finisher was magnanimous in defeat.

We like it when competitors do that, whether in a race, or the Super Bowl, or the World Series, or our kids' fourth grade soccer team.  Grace and magnanimity.  It's how we raised our kids, most of us.  Its how we behave, if we were raised right.

I glanced at my cell phone a few times yesterday while I was at the track, mostly to keep track of the 450+ comments on the post about same sex marriage and religion.  Parts of it were interesting, other parts were (and are) simply vile.

What happened to adults being gracious and magnanimous?

Couldn't the winners have simply said something like "Our team won a court decision Friday making same sex marriage legal in Wisconsin, and we're really happy about that.  We respect that others may not feel the same way, but it was a victory for us.  In a diverse society there a a wide range of beliefs, and we respect that others may not view this as a victory the way we do"?  That would have been a gracious thing to say.

Winning a court decision and then launching into a tirade, on Lem's blog and elsewhere, against the 78 million Catholics in America was simply low class, petty, vile and vindictive.  It was neither gracious nor magnanimous.  Adults should be better than that.


101 comments:

Tank said...

The first and second place drivers parked their cars at the start/finish line, got out, and congratulated each other. They praised each other in post-race interviews. They complimented each other, they shook hands, they slapped each other on the back. The winner was gracious and humble in victory, the second place finisher was magnanimous in defeat.

This is the way men were taught to handle sports when I grew up. It is, in many areas, a thing of the past.

Why is that? I have some thoughts, but wonder what others think.

Michael Haz said...
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Michael Haz said...

Tank, it's what grown-ups do.

Dad Bones said...

@Tank
My dad's generation was like that when arguing politics. They took sides but they were respectful of the opposing opinions and didn't let politics poison friendships and family relationships.

I'm Full of Soup said...

Last week in Philly they held the annual big bike race. Typically 100,000 or more spectators flood the course to watch and drink and party. In Monday's paper, the editors had a picture way way inside the paper.

Yesterday, the gays had some kind of gay pride parade. Not sure of the attendance, but the paper had a big photo top of the fold on page 1 and a couple more on page 4.

The MSM in Philly can't get enough of the gays- they have published at least 20-30 stories in the main daily paper since the judge legalized gay marriage in PA about 4 weeks ago.

chickelit said...

@Haz: The victors in that court decision mostly all despise auto racing too -- it insults their beliefs regarding good carbon stewardship and so forth. Come to think of it, they despise most kinds of competitive racing too -- including horse racing. It breeds clear winners and winning isn't fair. Unless of course they win.

chickelit said...

I should amend that to say, "the petulant victors."

Darcy said...

@Haz

In short: Love wins! ;)

Unknown said...

... Couldn't the winners have simply said something like "Our team won a court decision Friday making same sex marriage legal in Wisconsin, and we're really happy about that. We respect that others may not feel the same way, but it was a victory for us. In a diverse society there are wide range of beliefs, and we respect that others may not view this as a victory the way we do"? That would have been a gracious thing to say.

Winning a court decision and then launching into a tirade, on Lem's blog and elsewhere, against the 78 million Catholics in America was simply low class, petty, vile and vindictive. It was neither gracious nor magnanimous. Adults should be better than that.


Well said.

Unknown said...

Petulant victors who don't want to talk about it as they pull the lever for Hillary.

Third Coast said...

@Haz
We must be of similar age as my race track experiences pretty much mirror yours with the same vintage cars etc. Here in S. Michigan Gordon Johncock (went on to be well known Indy car driver) was the local hotshoe. The discussion brings back a memory from the early 70's when I was working in the Tucson area. One night at the local dirt track, they arranged for a local sports reporter to ride as a passenger with Wild Bill Cheesbourgh (another ex-Indy car driver) in the feature race. After the race, which Wild Bill won, they tried to interview the reporter on the track. She was so traumatized, she literally could hardly speak. Pretty funny.

Tank said...

AJ Lynch said...

Last week in Philly they held the annual big bike race. Typically 100,000 or more spectators flood the course to watch and drink and party. In Monday's paper, the editors had a picture way way inside the paper.

Yesterday, the gays had some kind of gay pride parade. Not sure of the attendance, but the paper had a big photo top of the fold on page 1 and a couple more on page 4.

The MSM in Philly can't get enough of the gays- they have published at least 20-30 stories in the main daily paper since the judge legalized gay marriage in PA about 4 weeks ago.


AJ

Let's not forget that gays were slaves in this country for more than 250 years, in fact, this country was built on the backs of gays. In fact, gays, based on their portrayal in mass media, must make up more than 30% of the population, and can't be ignored. In fact, straight white men should be paying reparations.

Michael Haz said...

@Third Coast - similar,are experiences, indeed.

Here's more about the track I frequented when I was a kid.
http://michaelhasenstab.blogspot.com/2010/07/old-race-cars.html

chickelit said...

Magnanimity means having a "great soul." Unfortunately, it's deeply rooted with the word animus which has negative connotations.

Shouting Thomas said...

The answer is that the gay activists have no respect and will soon attack the Catholic Church.

They cannot leave a single refuge for dissenters.

What does that say about them?

Aridog said...

The "victory" in Wisconsin is hardly the final adjudication in the matter. It still will have to pass muster at the United States Court of Appeals for the 7th Circuit, in Chicago.

No problems with gay couples being entitled to tax benefit, et al....I've always thought domestic partners should share the protection whether Hetero or Homo. Now the LBGT advocates for "gay marriage" have assured that those loving and supportive couple who are no gay are still ignored, and argue that all they have to do is marry each other....with no allowances for legitimate reasons they can not. Say hey, they got theirs, screw you all.

Beyond that, the concept of "marriage" has been corrupted just like the concepts of "Penalty" versus "Tax"...the former levied for non-performance and the latter assessed for performance or acquisition of some kind...but SCOTUS and the Chief Tweedle Dee say they are the same.

Aridog said...

Make that "... cohabiting domestic partners...."

Lem the artificially intelligent said...

I watched a tv Kurt Bush feature yesterday. About how Kurt Bush raced two races, in two different tracks, hundreds of miles apart, on two very different types of race cars all on on the same day.

That was pretty cool.

I'm Full of Soup said...

Tank:

Doh! How the heck could I have overlooked that sorry history? heh.

Lem the artificially intelligent said...

... it's deeply rooted with the word animus which has negative connotations.

Yea but it also branches with anime... which is cool.

Guildofcannonballs said...

Respect? This is a link showing some f*(^*^ respect.

ndspinelli said...

Haz, We know the toxic duo don't have an ounce of class.

AllenS said...

Cedar Lake race track is about 4 miles from me. Quarter mile dirt track. The place is packed every time there is a race. They have electrical setups for motor homes. People sit on top of them in their lawn chairs and watch the races.

Chip Ahoy said...

Here's how to tell if the administrator deleted the comment or if the poster deleted their own comment, if you care:

Go back and click on the title of the original post. It opens a new window with the post containing comments. Scroll down to missing comment and it tells you who deleted the comment, administrator or commenter.

*salaams deeply and elaborately, silently backs out of room*

Chip Ahoy said...

Grace and Magnanimity are possible because they know it doesn't matter.

Conversely, grace and magnanimity are not possible when the issue is blown up to outsized proportions involving changing laws, devoting time and money to a cause, changing minds, repeating chants driving away thought, rejecting discussion and opposing points of view, and winning in court, then grace is shed and magnanimity falls away. Plus no-class people flatly got no class. Nanner nanner nanner. Blow me, I win, etc.

Fr Martin Fox said...

While the great Chip Ahoy is here, or perhaps peeking in, I want to say:

Please more posts about cooking eggs! That's so I can -- not too off-topic-y -- ask your advice on cooking things like sausage, bacon and goetta (have you ever heard of that?)

I love all your posts, but especially on cooking, because they're getting me back actually to cooking again. Thanks!

Amartel said...

Bagoh's argument FTW. (Fr. Martin excepted, of course.)

chickelit said...

Amartel said...
Bagoh's argument FTW. (Fr. Martin excepted, of course.)

Not seeing that here, Amartel.

Amartel said...

Yesterday, midafternoonishesque.

Fr Martin Fox said...

"FTW"?

Aridog said...

Third Coast....you said "hot shoe" ...which tells me you've hung around some oval in the dirt motorcycle races. The "hot shoe" is the boot put down in a corner, of course, and I still call idiot tail gating drivers that to this day.

President-Mom-Jeans said...

Chip,

The deletion I was interested in originally said "deleted by author" but now is completely gone altogether.

I am not familiar with blogger, but I am guessing that the administrator on the post (Lem) removed all traces of it after it was originally deleted by the author.

He does not seem to be willing to give a response on the topic. I find that troubling.

Darcy said...

Pres. Mom Jeans:

If it said deleted by the author then it was deleted by the author and then subsequently deleted by whoever was the blog administrator for that post. That's my understanding of administration here. So I don't think there is any mystery in what happened to the post.

However, personally, I am curious as to why a post deleted by the author - who is still actively posting here - would then be removed entirely by a blog administrator? For what purpose? I don't like when all traces of conversation vanish, unless the vanished posts are from unwelcome posters.

President-Mom-Jeans said...

That is what I would like to know as well Darcy, for what purpose.

Lem, if you read this, could you please shed some light?

Or alternately, at least acknowledge that you have read people's questions on the subject, even if you are not going to answer.

chickelit said...

Darcy: I deleted Meade a couple times last night because he starting using first names without prior consent. But I left the deletion residue standing. I left his subsequent comments stand.

Occasionally I will "permanently delete" my own deleted comments (double postings, misspellings, etc.) because it makes me look smarter. :)
- Bruce

Karen of Texas said...

For The Win, Father Fox.

Darcy said...

Oh, I saw those, Bruce. Those were clearly moderation. But these were posts the author (not you) deleted and then a blog administrator removed entirely.

And lol. You have no need to appear smarter. You're already brilliant. :)

Darcy said...

I'm just going to email you and Lem about this.

Fr Martin Fox said...

Karen:

Thanks; I need help avoiding inevitable dotage.

Michael Haz said...

If you are notified by email whenever a new comment is made, the email includes a copy of that post. Save the emails in questionable threads. Someone deleting a comment he or she made does not delete the emailed copy.

Karen of Texas said...

So chickelit, to clarify, you delete a post you made so it shows 'by author' but then you use admin privileges to permanently 'disappear' it? Is that an admin feature that lets you "clean up" the thread so to speak? Is there an admin feature thats

Karen of Texas said...

You're welcome, Father.

Karen of Texas said...

Ugh. ...admin feature that's a "delete" and a "completely remove", so to speak?

And Darcy, probably the best idea in all this. Kind of looks like it could head somewhere ugly. :/

Darcy said...

Yes, there is an admin feature that lets you completely remove a post with no trace left on the blog itself; however, as Michael mentioned, if you subscribe to a thread, all posts will be emailed to you as they are posted even if deleted subsequently.

I've not been one to subscribe to posts, but I think I will do so here and there for historical purposes.

Amartel said...

Sorry, Father, "for the win."
That's not a swipe at your original argument BTW (by the way). You won that one. It would appear that Judge Smails sliced one right into the old lumberyard, then improved his lie.

Winter* rules.



*It's winter in Australia. You guyz.

Fr Martin Fox said...

Michael:

I didn't know that. May I ask: do any of the blog administrators use this feature? It'd be good to know, in case a thread needed to be reconstructed.

Michael Haz said...

Darcy, if there's a specific thing you're looking for, EM me the details and I'll check my saved emails.

President-Mom-Jeans said...

If Lem is trying to cover Meade's ass from the Wedding Cake post, that is fine and his prerogative as it is his site.

However, if that is the case, it alters my perception of this site, or at least on posts in which he is the administrator. I think people should know if there are special rules for some commenters, that do not apply to everyone else.

Karen of Texas said...

Thanks, Darcy...

And FTR (for the record, Fr. Fox ;) - I think it's sad that for the sake of self preservation in a forum like this, we must resort to maintaining a "historical history". I guess CYA and beat them about the head and shoulders with the record applies everywhere and always.

Michael Haz said...

Which feature, Fr? The delete feature or the emailed copy feature?

President-Mom-Jeans said...

Michael,

The post that we are discussing if from the June 6th "Denver: Bakery Will Stop Making Wedding Cakes After Losing Discrimination Case" thread.

I know that at least one (possibly more) posts by Meade were deleted between 9:09 PM and 9:24 PM.

Were you subscribed to emails from that thread?

Michael Haz said...

PMJ - I'll check at home tonight. I'm on a cell phone now which is a hinderance in conducting searches.

Fr Martin Fox said...

Michael:

I meant the email feature, sorry.

It occurred to me that if there were ever a dispute over who said what in a thread, there might need to be some source for an authoritative record of the thread as it happened, not as edited subsequently.

It occurs to me, now, that Blogger might have such a function, but who knows? I never asked, and don't know that I ever will. But one never knows.

Icepick said...

FTW also stands for "Fuck the world".

Karen of Texas said...

Haha! Icepick. Niiice. :) I've had days where that might have popped into my head...

deborah said...

Darcy:
"I've not been one to subscribe to posts, but I think I will do so here and there for historical purposes."

I think you must make a post in order to receive the emails, unless there's a mechanism I don't know of.

President-Mom-Jeans said...

Thanks Michael.

Michael Haz said...

Fr Martin, it's a Blogger function available to everyone who posts a comment, provided Blogger has your email address.

After you have typed your comment, and before you click 'post' there should be a small check box for notifications. If you check that box, you will receive an email each time someone posts a comment on that thread. The email will include a copy of the comment.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

Guys. I don't think there is anything nefarious going on with a deleted post. I've deleted some of my postings either because they were duplicates, there were so many egregious spelling and grammar errors or I just thought better of posting it.

For a while the post shows deleted by author. After sometime however, it just disappears. I doubt that any administrator went back and cleaned up my deletions or garbage posts that I, myself, erased. That would be too much work. I believe it to just be a feature of Blogger to remove those old deletions after some time has passed.

But....I could be wrong :-)

Darcy said...

Yes, you are right, deborah, you would have to make a post to subscribe, and only comments subsequent to your initial post on that thread would be emailed to you.

And yes, Karen, it is sad that we would feel the need for a "blog historian". When posts vanish, I question what I read initially, especially when people deny them
AND...due to advancing age I am questioning far too much already! ;-)

President-Mom-Jeans said...

DBQ, I hope that you are correct, but the timing of the deletion, Meade's lying about it and then claiming to be forgetting, and Lem's continued silence despite being asked about it all are very troubling.

Trooper York said...

Seriously we know Lem isn't lying or trying to hide anything. He is just lazy.

Like all Red Sox fans.

Trooper York said...

They are so lazy they didn't even bother to freeze all of Ted Williams. They just did his head.

Chip S. said...

It's not laziness, it's intelligence. You put the head on the body of a 20-year-old athlete, and presto!

NYY fans can't understand this concept, bc. their team specializes in buying the old, broken-down bodies of formerly good players.

Trooper York said...

Not true. We don't do that anymore.

Now we only buy it if it says "Made in Japan."

That seems to be working out pretty well for us.

Chip S. said...

Carlos Beltran is Japanese?

Trooper York said...

On his mothers side.

Trooper York said...

I know she eats a lot of sushi.

Trooper York said...

Or at least a lot of fish.

Chip S. said...

tacos?

Chip S. said...

Has that nickname followed Ellsbury to NY?

Trooper York said...

What? His nickname was Fish Taco in Boston?

Damn that would make him pretty popular in New York.

Trooper York said...

I think his nickname in New York is the Ellsbury Dough Boy.

He seems to be enjoying life a little too much.

Chip S. said...

$150M guaranteed can have that effect on people.

Shouting Thomas said...

Fish tacos, eh?

I like mine about 20 years younger.

They go stale, you know.

Chip S. said...

Three days is the rule, right?

Trooper York said...

The rules are different for fish tacos. I mean if they hit the floor you can't claim the three second rule.

Lydia said...

Winning a court decision and then launching into a tirade, on Lem's blog and elsewhere, against the 78 million Catholics in America was simply low class, petty, vile and vindictive. It was neither gracious nor magnanimous. Adults should be better than that.

I'm more and more with Trooper on this being a war against the Catholic Church, and in a war one is not gracious or magnanimous, so it's actually unreasonable to ask them to be that or better than that.

About that war: We've all heard about those 800 babies in that septic tank in Ireland, right? Well, guess what, there may be no septic tank, there may be no mass grave of any kind. See this at the Washington Post and this at the Irish Times.

Wonder if that information will get any play at all in the MSM? Not holding my breath.

Shouting Thomas said...

The left sees the Church as the last outpost of the patriarchy, which is true, and that's has a lot to do with why I'm Catholic.

The left also sees the Church enforcing sexual guilt upon people. Since the left believes in the blank slate theory, they believe that if they can shut down the ability of the Church to set moral standards, guilt will cease to exist.

Thus, sexual Utopia. All that remains in the way is the Church.

Of course, for much of the 20th century, all that stood in the way of the communist Utopia was the Church.

chickelit said...

Lydia wrote: Wonder if that information will get any play at all in the MSM? Not holding my breath.

No, because they want to believe it.

For what a man had rather were true he more readily believes ~Francis Bacon

Trooper York said...

It is a war Lydia. It is a war to the knife.

We need leaders who are willing to fight.

Much like the Republican party.

Don't back down.

Trooper York said...

They are already hinting around that the church will have to perform the sacrament of same sex marriage or face some sort of penalty or as Justice Roberts will term it a tax.

It is a matter of time.

We need to gather our arrows and swords and pots of boiling oil.

Trooper York said...

Me neither Shouting.

I am just saying I am only going to support people who are willing to fight to the knife with these people.

Meade said...
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Michael Haz said...

I have reached a point in life where I at last have the wisdom to know that I cannot fix the world's problems.

But I can fix a pretty good cocktail.

Shouting Thomas said...
This comment has been removed by the author.
Trooper York said...

I can't drink anymore.

But I am enjoying lemon water in an icy cold jug that really taste greats on a warm summer evening.

Michael Haz said...

Meade, post your stuff on your blog, thanks.

Or post it on your wife's blog and remove comment moderation.

But not here.

Shouting Thomas said...

I know I can't solve the world's problems.

However, I'd like to be able to continue to go to Mass on Sunday and practice the traditional way of the patriarchy.

I just want to be left alone.

Trooper York said...

That's the thing Shouting. They are not going to leave you alone. They are going to come to your computer store. To your photography studio. To your bakery. To you church. To your home.

They will never stop. It will never be enough.

Meade said...
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ndspinelli said...

I resent the sexual innuendo regarding fish tacos. San Diego is the Mecca of fish tacos. I often have a couple for lunch. Please stop this infantile travesty. Thank you.

Trooper York said...

Taking a page out of Mary's book.

Or is he really Mary?

Enquiring minds want to know?

Michael Haz said...

@Meade:

We're not interested in your re-hashing past grievances, or listing new ones.

Piss off.

Trooper York said...

Mary, Mary, quite contrary,
How does your garden grow?With silver bells, and cockless shills,
And loser lawnboys all in a row

President-Mom-Jeans said...

Oh, so now you do remember posting eh, Larry?

What a difference a day makes.

So predictable, caught in another lie, and now trying to walk it back.

You are a proven hypocrite, liar, and now homophobic bigot, which apparently is the cardinal sin in Madison.

President-Mom-Jeans said...

"They will never stop. It will never be enough."

Punch back twice as hard.

Trooper York said...

I had a taco yesterday
I bought it from the store
As soon as I had finished it
I knew I needed more

With sour cream and onions too
It tasted nice and sweet
Salsa, cheese, tomatoes, and beans
On top of tasty meat

I think that I ate seven more
After my tasty first
But now my belt is screaming stop
For I'm about to burst.
(Seyloren,2010)

Trooper York said...

Taco meat taco meat
i love you so
taco meat taco meat
i thought you must know

your lovely smell
brings me in
your wonderful taste
makes this seem like a sin

our relationship is good
no our relationship is great
there is only one problem
and its this everlasting wait

your taking to long
to get warmed up
i just want you
so get in my cup

ill cover you with cheese
and get you all hot
ill throw you on a chip
ya that will be the spot

so taco meat taco meat
i love you so
taco meat taco meat
stop thawing so slow
(By Ashlin, 1998)

President-Mom-Jeans said...

The flop sweat on Larry the gay-slur throwing Leech, knowing that the gaystapo is going to throw him to the wolves is delightful.



Trooper York said...

My little taco
I miss my taco
Why did you have to go
My little taco
Is this the end
Please tell me it's not so
My dear taco
Have you been taken
Oh NOOooooo
My little taco
I am so hungry
My energy is running low
My little taco
I found my taco
Never leave me again
But when I turned around
I couldn't help but frown
This world is so cruel
But the good thing is...
Now I am full
i hope that u learn from my mistake...:never leave sumthing u truelly luv alone and helpless even if it is 4 just 5 seconds
(By HeavensDropout, 2013)