Cowboy Troy performed at the 2008 Republican National Convention in St. Paul, Minnesota. He is a self-described black conservative and a member of the Republican Party who supported Senator John McCain in the 2008 U.S. presidential election.
Troy calls his music hick-hop or country rap. Either way, it really hits a target market.
I think it's awesome. It's hard not to have some good spirited fun with that going on. We could all use some good ole fun, now couldn't we?
This should be a Friday post though.
It's cool for me though, cause today is my Friday. No work tomorrow. Flying to Vegas, and then on to Chicago for a few days. Could someone throw some wood on the fire over there? Seriously, why does anyone live in Chicago in winter?
Thanks guys, but that's not really the plan. I intend to break all the furniture in town, and make a name for myself. We'll see if Chicago still has the stuff to rebuild after a disaster. I am the reincarnated spirit of Catherine O'Leary's cow.
I know a lot of people have been wondering, so it looks pretty sure that Vishy Anand is going to get his rematch with the young Norwegian Magnus Carlsen for the FIDE World Chess Championship.
I know most of you feel as I do - let's hope this time around Vishy can show a little bit more game in his game.
I just recently found out I was conceived in Chicago. I actually know the date of my conception. August 12 19__ Story is it all began at My aunt and uncle's wedding where my parents were very amorous that night - shaking booty on the dance floor.
I love Chicago. The skyscrapers and architecture make me happy. In the early 1990's on my first trip to Chicago with a group of students, we went on an architectural walking tour. Loved it. I've been back many times and some of my favorite summertime to- dos are a visit to the water fountain that shoots across the mouth of the Chicago river every hour. Not sure if the thing is on during the cold months. Tons of delicious restaurants. There's a funky Thai restaurant with carpeted levels "Star of Siam"(?) that I remember.
Actually you're right Sixty. The conception deal and I did travel to Chicago a few times with my family as a young girl to visit my mom's cousin who raced horses as a harness jockey.
High school's looming. Our strategy is to both provide c-prep *and* trade-skill. It's a high standard, and mindfully more than nothing, which--tbc--I agree is a high standard in and of itself. Yes?
chickelit, in latter years, you seem to most enjoy calling out people in terms of bits of what they said back in the day. You spend time searching out that sort of thing and posting it wherever it seems to provide you with a *frisson*.
What I would ask, in response to that, is do you care as much about what they actually do, when it comes right down to it? What they're willing do and what they actually do.
What happened, chickelit, such that you became more a chaser than a doer?
Also, just for the record, I've noted for so many years how often folks have cried: "Home school!" while not actually having done that. And, also, actively shunting aside those who actually were engsged in doing that.
It's to laugh.
What am I to conclude other than that y'all use homeschooling as a dog-whistle which you wouldn't use with regard to your own kids?
And you can all email privately back and forth, or twitter, or whatever about all of that. Whatever.
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This is why I don't respect you and haven't for a number of years: You claim things that you don't actually believe, much less do. And you attack folks, any and all folks, just on account of their failing to be just like you.
Learning a trade can be as valuable as having a college degree. I paid my way through college doing a number of things, including welding. I'm happy that I did; it gave me a perspective I would have otherwise missed. And it helped greatly to have a trade skill to fall back on for a few months when career disruptions occurred.
If you haven't seen this, http://www.mikeroweworks.com/home, you might find it very worthwhile.
As regards homeschooling: It wasn't needed when my children (now in their 30s) were children The school system where we lived when they were in school was excellent.
Mrs. Haz, who taught HS for 43 years, has said that if we had school age children now, she'd either home school them or we'd enroll them in a parochial school (if one was available). We are supportive of homeschooling and home schoolers. And yes, we recognize that it is a difficult thing to do.
As for this This is why I don't respect you and haven't for a number of years: You claim things that you don't actually believe, much less do. And you attack folks, any and all folks, just on account of their failing to be just like you. it's entirely your choice to do as you wish.
rcommal said... chickelit, in latter years, you seem to most enjoy calling out people in terms of bits of what they said back in the day. You spend time searching out that sort of thing and posting it wherever it seems to provide you with a *frisson*.
That's Titus' big complaint about me too. And somefeller's and a few others' as well.
To be clear, Haz, which I can see that I was not, enough, I wasn't swiping at trades. Quite the contrary was my intent. What I was saying is that our goal is that son emerges four years from now both certificate- and collegiate-ready. It'll be his choice what he does with those, that, however one wants to describe such things.
Quite deliberately, we're working to educate him in both trade and collegiate. The former means put him on the path to a certificate and an apprenticeship, and the latter means put him on the path to college, and in both cases such that he'll have real choices a few years hence--including, for example, the great good option of being able to get summer and year-round part-time work in one or another trade that will actually allow him to pursue whatever higher ed he wants (and it's OK if he doesn't want to, so long as it's a choice and not a default) and chooses without incurring ridiculous amounts of debt. If that's what he wants: his skill sets, his choice.
In no way, in any way, were these posts intended to put down trades or skills. Quite the opposite. Surely you don't actually think that they were, I hope.
That's Titus' big complaint about me too. And somefeller's and a few others' as well.
Well, okay then. You sort of just proved my implied point: You like to categorize, put folks in categories and then search for bits to justify the categories you chose.
I'm guessing that you've decided to put me in the same category as the folks you named. How interesting.
Still, from what I can tell, other than Freeman and maybe Synova, no one commenting here has actually ever actively homeschooled for an extended period of time.
You all have ***no idea*** how much I'd like to be wrong about that. No idea at all.
Ironically, I suppose, is the reality that, way back in the day, what I found encouraging to set off on the homeschooling venture was reading blogposts by so many people, and for example, the bitmaelstrom. Blake among others inspired me to go for it, to take charge of my own kid's education. Which I did. Now, so many years later I'm still doing that which originally inspired and empowered me.
Now, as with regard to you, Haz, I don't know how to thank you enough. You did side by side stuff back in the day in the second/third year when we started homeschooling. Later, more important, you got the complication of my mom being diagnosed with ALS and the why of our travelings at, um, random times (and giving up a lot of goals, set before all of that). I don't know how to thank you for getting all of that.
And, when my mother died, you and Mary made a contribution to the ALS foundation in her name.
Make no mistake, Haz. I so thank and value you, more than you know, too.
Still, from what I can tell, other than Freeman and maybe Synova, no one commenting here has actually ever actively homeschooled for an extended period of time.
You all have ***no idea*** how much I'd like to be wrong about that. No idea at all.
Then consider yourself wrong, rcommal, because the facts of the matter don't match your perception. And those facts have been mentioned more than once at two if not three other blogs where we've both commented.
So no, you're not the Lone Ranger here, and yes there is room in the skilled trades for workers who know how to listen, receive direction, solve problems, value craftmanship, honor hard work and and respect those whose intellect and abilities weren't reflected in academic achievement. What doesn't work in the skilled trades/blue collar environment, is oblique communication, assumptions about the value of others based on academic standards, and an attitude of entitlement or superiority without the hard work and skills to back it up.
Well, okay then. You sort of just proved my implied point: You like to categorize, put folks in categories and then search for bits to justify the categories you chose.
Reading the horrific account of Kelly Rindfleisch today on Althouse made me wish that I had a bunch of links to garage mahal's venomous attacks on that poor woman over the years. And if I sound out of line sometimes over there about Sullivan's viscous attacks on Sarah Palin, it’s because I still feel that too many people let it slide.
It's true, chickelit, I have no clue. As nor do you, right?
What I can say for myself, for what it's worth (and I understand, in these environs, not much is it worth) is that I never (and to this day have not) betrayed stuff you said to me in the way that you, even recently, have betrayed me.
That said, and despite all that, you bet your ass that I admire your volunteering. I do, profoundly.
Shame on you, if you think otherwise. That would be you being a cheap-doer, as opposed my being a generous-thinker.
Based on on what you say. Am I not supposed to pay attention to what you say? As well as to the content. Am I supposed to throw over the notion of how much I've admired you over the years, and why?
What doesn't work in the skilled trades/blue collar environment, is oblique communication, assumptions about the value of others based on academic standards, and an attitude of entitlement or superiority without the hard work and skills to back it up.
MamaM: FWIW I do think that you've missed something--something that's been true for if not for ever then at least for 25-30 years.
I don't what else to say. I guess better that such as I never bothered.
I have nothing but contempt for anyone who can spell a word only one way. — Attributed to Thomas Jefferson
As someone familiar with dyslexia, I find that statement funny. Were I bilingual, it would be even more so.
When it comes to what is meant or not, I'm curious about *shrug* What do you mean to convey with *shrug*? It shows up often in your responses. The choices are varied:
Shrug...a gesture expressing disdain, doubt, contempt, indifference, or ignorance.
Are you also going to share what you think I missed in my assessment of what doesn't work in a skilled trades/blue collar environment. I'm curious as to what you think that might be.
I have nothing but contempt for anyone who can spell a word only one way. — Attributed to Thomas Jefferson
As someone familiar with dyslexia, I find that statement funny. Were I bilingual, it would be even more so.
MamaM: I copied that statement from the masthead of this blog, and I am assuming that you know that. I'm assuming that you're not asking me to respond with regard to the masthead statement. (If that's not so, you'll have to let me know. I may or may not add it to the list.)
That said, I am taking seriously your query regarding both the specific use of "shrug" and the more oblique references to trades/trademanship/skills/environment. Please give me a bit of time to respond to both of those more *seriously*.
OK, I'm listening. I'll check back, though it may not be tonight anymore. Even though the post is now back a few pages, I'm still interested in a serious response. The most serious response I've read from you to date was one at Althouse just prior to the July comment shutdown in which you'd outlined some of the experiences that formed your life; and it seriously resonated with me.
Between the four of us (two parents, two homeschooled sonM's--from 6th and 2nd grade on) we hold 2 four year degrees, one Associate's in Welding Technology, three Journeyman Electrician's Licenses, with a Master's in process. One wears a hard hat and a bandana 60 hours a week and works with engineers and installers and the oldest family member wears a dress shirt (with a hard hat as needed)and directs installation teams. As such, we are experienced and familiar with many of the differences, challenges and benefits of blue and white collar work.
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I believe he was at the Orlando Tea Party rally back in March of 2009.
The confusion of fusion...never saw this coming, but it's pretty good.
According to Wiki:
Cowboy Troy performed at the 2008 Republican National Convention in St. Paul, Minnesota. He is a self-described black conservative and a member of the Republican Party who supported Senator John McCain in the 2008 U.S. presidential election.
Troy calls his music hick-hop or country rap. Either way, it really hits a target market.
Oh my. That was worse than I imagined it could be.
Hick hop.
That shit makes Vivaldi sound good.
Don't forget the KLEM FM tag, Haz.
I think it's awesome. It's hard not to have some good spirited fun with that going on. We could all use some good ole fun, now couldn't we?
This should be a Friday post though.
It's cool for me though, cause today is my Friday. No work tomorrow. Flying to Vegas, and then on to Chicago for a few days. Could someone throw some wood on the fire over there? Seriously, why does anyone live in Chicago in winter?
Woohoo, Thursday!
You should never live where you can warm up in your refrigerator.
Darcy once explained to us how Thursday is actually Little Friday.
Good luck in Chicago, Bags. It is a very fun place, mostly.
I try to re-use existing tags as much as possible.
Have a safe trip, Bags.
"Have a safe trip, Bags.".
Thanks guys, but that's not really the plan. I intend to break all the furniture in town, and make a name for myself. We'll see if Chicago still has the stuff to rebuild after a disaster. I am the reincarnated spirit of Catherine O'Leary's cow.
Moo!
NASA IS DOING A LIVE BROADCAST FROM THE SPACE STATION.
The Russian Soyus linked up with the Space Station.
Awkward? a little bit maybe?
I know a lot of people have been wondering, so it looks pretty sure that Vishy Anand is going to get his rematch with the young Norwegian Magnus Carlsen for the FIDE World Chess Championship.
I know most of you feel as I do - let's hope this time around Vishy can show a little bit more game in his game.
Vishy's looking pretty top drawer in the candidates tournament though. It's quite a comeback. So far that is.
Wat-evah.
Hey, 'pick. Jst wndrn: u still intrstd?
I just recently found out I was conceived in Chicago.
I actually know the date of my conception. August 12 19__
Story is it all began at My aunt and uncle's wedding where my parents were very amorous that night - shaking booty on the dance floor.
I love Chicago. The skyscrapers and architecture make me happy. In the early 1990's on my first trip to Chicago with a group of students, we went on an architectural walking tour. Loved it. I've been back many times and some of my favorite summertime to- dos are a visit to the water fountain that shoots across the mouth of the Chicago river every hour. Not sure if the thing is on during the cold months. Tons of delicious restaurants. There's a funky Thai restaurant with carpeted levels "Star of Siam"(?) that I remember.
Have fun Bags. I hope the weather cooperates.
April Apple wrote... "In the early 1990's on my first trip to Chicago"...
...that you remember!
Actually you're right Sixty. The conception deal and I did travel to Chicago a few times with my family as a young girl to visit my mom's cousin who raced horses as a harness jockey.
I know, and I kid, I kid.
hm
High school's looming. Our strategy is to both provide c-prep *and* trade-skill. It's a high standard, and mindfully more than nothing, which--tbc--I agree is a high standard in and of itself. Yes?
What if son ends up being even just a very good welder in addition to being just a very good academic? Starting out at age 18-20.
I wonder.
And by wonder, I mean, what do you all think about the likes of that?
Note that I didn't say best, much less excellent in setting up a discussion you guys ought do, given what you've all been having.
chickelit, in latter years, you seem to most enjoy calling out people in terms of bits of what they said back in the day. You spend time searching out that sort of thing and posting it wherever it seems to provide you with a *frisson*.
What I would ask, in response to that, is do you care as much about what they actually do, when it comes right down to it? What they're willing do and what they actually do.
What happened, chickelit, such that you became more a chaser than a doer?
Also, just for the record, I've noted for so many years how often folks have cried: "Home school!" while not actually having done that. And, also, actively shunting aside those who actually were engsged in doing that.
It's to laugh.
What am I to conclude other than that y'all use homeschooling as a dog-whistle which you wouldn't use with regard to your own kids?
Hmmmmmmmmm.
For shame, on you.
You guys love the idea of homseschooling--especially how it can be used politically.
Do it your yourself? Having done it yourself years ago?
Oh, ha ha. You did not
Cut the crap.
Just saying'.
We actually do that which shallow, self-serving folks use as cheap, politically partisan points.
LOL.
At what point do the likes of those self-serving folks bother to ask what we think?
My bet is: Never.
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I know that Because Coward.
I mean, LMAO.
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And you can all email privately back and forth, or twitter, or whatever about all of that. Whatever.
___
This is why I don't respect you and haven't for a number of years: You claim things that you don't actually believe, much less do. And you attack folks, any and all folks, just on account of their failing to be just like you.
As for Darcy. I miss her, too.
@rcommal:
Learning a trade can be as valuable as having a college degree. I paid my way through college doing a number of things, including welding. I'm happy that I did; it gave me a perspective I would have otherwise missed. And it helped greatly to have a trade skill to fall back on for a few months when career disruptions occurred.
If you haven't seen this, http://www.mikeroweworks.com/home, you might find it very worthwhile.
As regards homeschooling: It wasn't needed when my children (now in their 30s) were children The school system where we lived when they were in school was excellent.
Mrs. Haz, who taught HS for 43 years, has said that if we had school age children now, she'd either home school them or we'd enroll them in a parochial school (if one was available). We are supportive of homeschooling and home schoolers. And yes, we recognize that it is a difficult thing to do.
As for this This is why I don't respect you and haven't for a number of years: You claim things that you don't actually believe, much less do. And you attack folks, any and all folks, just on account of their failing to be just like you. it's entirely your choice to do as you wish.
Best wishes to you.
What happened, chickelit, such that you became more a chaser than a doer?
My muse died.
rcommal said...
chickelit, in latter years, you seem to most enjoy calling out people in terms of bits of what they said back in the day. You spend time searching out that sort of thing and posting it wherever it seems to provide you with a *frisson*.
That's Titus' big complaint about me too. And somefeller's and a few others' as well.
To be clear, Haz, which I can see that I was not, enough, I wasn't swiping at trades. Quite the contrary was my intent. What I was saying is that our goal is that son emerges four years from now both certificate- and collegiate-ready. It'll be his choice what he does with those, that, however one wants to describe such things.
Quite deliberately, we're working to educate him in both trade and collegiate. The former means put him on the path to a certificate and an apprenticeship, and the latter means put him on the path to college, and in both cases such that he'll have real choices a few years hence--including, for example, the great good option of being able to get summer and year-round part-time work in one or another trade that will actually allow him to pursue whatever higher ed he wants (and it's OK if he doesn't want to, so long as it's a choice and not a default) and chooses without incurring ridiculous amounts of debt. If that's what he wants: his skill sets, his choice.
In no way, in any way, were these posts intended to put down trades or skills. Quite the opposite. Surely you don't actually think that they were, I hope.
My muse died.
What muse? Who?
That's Titus' big complaint about me too. And somefeller's and a few others' as well.
Well, okay then. You sort of just proved my implied point: You like to categorize, put folks in categories and then search for bits to justify the categories you chose.
I'm guessing that you've decided to put me in the same category as the folks you named. How interesting.
Still, from what I can tell, other than Freeman and maybe Synova, no one commenting here has actually ever actively homeschooled for an extended period of time.
You all have ***no idea*** how much I'd like to be wrong about that. No idea at all.
Ironically, I suppose, is the reality that, way back in the day, what I found encouraging to set off on the homeschooling venture was reading blogposts by so many people, and for example, the bitmaelstrom. Blake among others inspired me to go for it, to take charge of my own kid's education. Which I did. Now, so many years later I'm still doing that which originally inspired and empowered me.
I want also to give profound thanks to 'pick and Ruthie, as well as to Blake.
Now, as with regard to you, Haz, I don't know how to thank you enough. You did side by side stuff back in the day in the second/third year when we started homeschooling. Later, more important, you got the complication of my mom being diagnosed with ALS and the why of our travelings at, um, random times (and giving up a lot of goals, set before all of that). I don't know how to thank you for getting all of that.
And, when my mother died, you and Mary made a contribution to the ALS foundation in her name.
Make no mistake, Haz. I so thank and value you, more than you know, too.
...
Still, life is what it is: It goes on. Right?
Still, from what I can tell, other than Freeman and maybe Synova, no one commenting here has actually ever actively homeschooled for an extended period of time.
You all have ***no idea*** how much I'd like to be wrong about that. No idea at all.
Then consider yourself wrong, rcommal, because the facts of the matter don't match your perception. And those facts have been mentioned more than once at two if not three other blogs where we've both commented.
So no, you're not the Lone Ranger here, and yes there is room in the skilled trades for workers who know how to listen, receive direction, solve problems, value craftmanship, honor hard work and and respect those whose intellect and abilities weren't reflected in academic achievement. What doesn't work in the skilled trades/blue collar environment, is oblique communication, assumptions about the value of others based on academic standards, and an attitude of entitlement or superiority without the hard work and skills to back it up.
Well, okay then. You sort of just proved my implied point: You like to categorize, put folks in categories and then search for bits to justify the categories you chose.
Reading the horrific account of Kelly Rindfleisch today on Althouse made me wish that I had a bunch of links to garage mahal's venomous attacks on that poor woman over the years. And if I sound out of line sometimes over there about Sullivan's viscous attacks on Sarah Palin, it’s because I still feel that too many people let it slide.
Is that what you’re talking about, rcommal?
vicious not viscous.
But then, Sullivan and garage are quite dense on certain matters
@rcommal: My shortest answer to you is that I believe that there is an enemy and "bad faith" people. I'm sorry if that offends you.
Oh and you have no clue what I'm doing volunteer teaching these days -- with whom and why.
Fair enough, MamaM. You're right. I'm wrong.
Oh and you have no clue what I'm doing volunteer teaching these days -- with whom and why.
Fair enough, chickelit. You're right. I'm wrong.
It's true, chickelit, I have no clue. As nor do you, right?
What I can say for myself, for what it's worth (and I understand, in these environs, not much is it worth) is that I never (and to this day have not) betrayed stuff you said to me in the way that you, even recently, have betrayed me.
You confide, I protect. I confide, you betray.
Say all you want. Shame on you.
*shrug*
That said, and despite all that, you bet your ass that I admire your volunteering. I do, profoundly.
Shame on you, if you think otherwise. That would be you being a cheap-doer, as opposed my being a generous-thinker.
Based on on what you say. Am I not supposed to pay attention to what you say? As well as to the content. Am I supposed to throw over the notion of how much I've admired you over the years, and why?
I have nothing but contempt for anyone who can spell a word only one way. — Attributed to Thomas Jefferson
Does this place mean that or does it not?
What doesn't work in the skilled trades/blue collar environment, is oblique communication, assumptions about the value of others based on academic standards, and an attitude of entitlement or superiority without the hard work and skills to back it up.
MamaM: FWIW I do think that you've missed something--something that's been true for if not for ever then at least for 25-30 years.
I don't what else to say. I guess better that such as I never bothered.
I guess **THAT**, Mama[M]
You guys are about taking care of each other.
Me, I want to make a place for my son, in an uncharted world (on account of older people not really caring, at all at all, about younger ones).
I have nothing but contempt for anyone who can spell a word only one way. — Attributed to Thomas Jefferson
As someone familiar with dyslexia, I find that statement funny. Were I bilingual, it would be even more so.
When it comes to what is meant or not, I'm curious about *shrug* What do you mean to convey with *shrug*? It shows up often in your responses. The choices are varied:
Shrug...a gesture expressing disdain, doubt, contempt, indifference, or ignorance.
Are you also going to share what you think I missed in my assessment of what doesn't work in a skilled trades/blue collar environment. I'm curious as to what you think that might be.
I have nothing but contempt for anyone who can spell a word only one way. — Attributed to Thomas Jefferson
As someone familiar with dyslexia, I find that statement funny. Were I bilingual, it would be even more so.
MamaM: I copied that statement from the masthead of this blog, and I am assuming that you know that. I'm assuming that you're not asking me to respond with regard to the masthead statement. (If that's not so, you'll have to let me know. I may or may not add it to the list.)
That said, I am taking seriously your query regarding both the specific use of "shrug" and the more oblique references to trades/trademanship/skills/environment. Please give me a bit of time to respond to both of those more *seriously*.
Meanwhile, in a part, contemplate this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NHkRI2lij0
OK, I'm listening. I'll check back, though it may not be tonight anymore. Even though the post is now back a few pages, I'm still interested in a serious response. The most serious response I've read from you to date was one at Althouse just prior to the July comment shutdown in which you'd outlined some of the experiences that formed your life; and it seriously resonated with me.
Between the four of us (two parents, two homeschooled sonM's--from 6th and 2nd grade on) we hold 2 four year degrees, one Associate's in Welding Technology, three Journeyman Electrician's Licenses, with a Master's in process. One wears a hard hat and a bandana 60 hours a week and works with engineers and installers and the oldest family member wears a dress shirt (with a hard hat as needed)and directs installation teams. As such, we are experienced and familiar with many of the differences, challenges and benefits of blue and white collar work.
Wow.
Noted.
And thinking about it.
chickelit, this one's for you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BGjaL5329Q
And rcommal, this one's for you (via sonM#2)
The Expert: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKorP55Aqvg
That is excellent! Please pass on both the appreciation and the thanks to M#2.
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