The cover is a disgrace. I'm told the story is a good in depth piece. But, giving this shitbird the cover is a travesty. Of course, they gave Charlie Manson the cover also. Got to sell those mags!!!
So, let go, let go Jump in Oh well, what you waiting for? It's all right 'Cause there's beauty in the breakdown So, let go, let go Just get in Oh, it's so amazing here It's all right 'cause there's beauty in the breakdown
It gains the more it gives And then it rises with the fall So hand me that remote Can't you see that all that stuff's a sideshow? Such boundless pleasure We've no time for later Now you can't await your own arrival
I don't buy it, and I don't read it. That's the only thing you can do about it. Anything else just helps encourage Rolling Stone, who then encourages murderous assholes.
That cover is a gift to terrorist recruiters, isn't it? I noticed that Althouse seemed self-congratulatory for noticing early that the younger of the bombers was a pretty-boy.
She was also holding up the interview of Trayvon Martin's clinically retarded girlfriend as vindication of her infamous ass-cracker post.
I hope she's OK. (Althouse, not Jenteal or whatever-the-hell). I'm starting to worry about her. There's a desolate feel over there, like someone talking to...no one, in a loud voice, in a great empty hall. Like Jack Nicholson in The Shining.
What do you guys think of the Rolling Stone Tsarnaev cover and the resulting flap?
(My apologies if this has been covered elsewhere. I don't think I saw it in any of the open threads.)
It was clearly done on purpose and with malice. They knew they were going to get shit for it with the known "Any PR is good PR." tact. Gives new meaning to, "If it bleeds, it leads." sentiment.
Rolling Stone said something to the effect that the bomber is young, in the same age group as many of their readers. Which apparently makes this all the more important, relevant, whatever.
I would have guessed they had roughly the same audience as Imus.
Hagar, the problem with the cover (such as it is) is that it plays up Joker as a pretty boy. Both my wife and I are vaguely reminded of pictures of a young Jim Morrison.
Basically, the cover gives the impression that Joker is the next hot young pop sensation, a new Justin Beiber.
This month's RS cover is only a succesful attempt by RS to get some attention. From what I understand, RS used to be able to get such attention by writing interesting articles about musicians, and sprinkling that with some articles pushing your basic left wing pap. More of a cry for help than a slap at the establishment.
Palladian said... What do you guys think of the Rolling Stone Tsarnaev cover and the resulting flap?
Time magazine used to put all manner of murderers on their covers. Did people boycott them?
July 17, 2013 at 7:01 PM
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Ya, you probably have a good point--and the Tsarnarevs are in a weird class of murderers.
I think something has to be done about the loser who thinks he must be famous and get on The Cover of The Rolling Stone--and if he has to shoot up a theater of people he will just to garner the infamy.
The Rolling Stone has a right to do it and people have a right to say--
Hagar, it's the opposite of when the news mags (I believe Time in particular but I may be wrong) used pictures of OJ Simpson that they had darkened, to make him look blacker and more menacing.
The subject of Rolling Stone covers is supposed to be talented, inspirational, or cutting edge and important.
A mass murderer basing his act on 700 year old conservative fundamentalist religion that nobody is talking about is a fail on all levels. It was solely for shock value. They might as well have put a goatse on there.
What do you guys think of the Rolling Stone Tsarnaev cover and the resulting flap?
They are free to print what they want, and I am free to not buy it. There's not much downside for them. They dole out articles heavily suffused with lefty partisan assumed wisdom, and I suspect their current readership has been whittled down to those who are eager to consume it. To them, Muslim terrorism is nuanced and complex, and probably a result somehow of white western men.
RS had Manson on the cover back in the day so this is par for their course. Dreamiest mass murderer of 1969. Of course, back then, they also had Hunter S. Thompson and later P.J. O'Rourke. Now they've eliminated all libertarian and conservative voices and it's all left all the time. Read it at a friend's house recently and it's a lot smaller than it used to be. In every way.
Hey, amartel, were you the guy in TN whose neighbor's wife went skinny dipping in the neighbor's pool to distract the neighbor while her hubbo robbed the place?
I just realized that this has all been a celebration of Festivus. Now that we have had the Airing of Grievances it is time for the Feats of Strength. Especially now that AllenS is back among us.
Rolling Stone has been about money for as long as I can remember. Of course most magazines are intended to make money and that's cool but they shouldn't remind the reader about that as much as Rolling Stone does.
It doesn't make me think of cool music and interesting performers, it makes me think of commercials.
According to witnesses, Tsarnaev placed a bomb in a crowd, right next to a young boy and just walked away. I'm glad to see CVS and Rite Aid not display it next to US and People like he's just another troubled celebrity.
According to witnesses, Tsarnaev placed a bomb in a crowd, right next to a young boy and just walked away. I'm glad to see CVS and Rite Aid not display it next to US and People like he's just another troubled celebrity.
Phx--I wonder (but am too lazy to research) whether RS does in fact make money anymore. Who reads it?
Which makes me wonder what magazines people still subscribe to. I read National Geographic even though the incessant population control drumbeat gets annoying, and Texas Monthly which is a surprisingly high quality publication. Longform, investigative journalism the likes of which one doesn't see much these days. It's more balanced than most publications even if the editorial board leans left.
"“Congress must act,” he added. “And it’s time to call on the United Nations Human Rights Commission for an in-depth investigation of whether the U.S. is upholding its obligations under international human rights laws and treaties.” ~ Jessie Jackson on the Zimmerman case
It's full-blown, unabashed, rabid racism, and nothing more. I don't see any difference between this and an attempt at a lynching, except that most lynchings were done in the dark.
Is there any doubt that Zimmerman would be killed outright in many communities in this country right now?
There are a lot of folks here that have clashed almost constantly @ the other venue. Even w/ the instigating by John Deere, it's been quite civil here. Lem, you set the tone, as does every blogger.
May I just say, as a first time commenter but long time Althouse lurker that I really enjoy reading the comments section. I enjoy Ann's posts, but I am a bit of a commenter junky to see how things bounced off the readers. Keep it up, it's fun to read. If it's cool with Lem, I'd like to comment occasionally and see how it goes. Thanks.
Looking for very specific film recommendations. Kid-friendly movies that depict healthy master/teacher-student relationships. One example of the kind of thing I'm talking about would be The Karate Kid. Any movies come to mind?
Thanks bagoh, I wish the dustup at Ann's blog hadn't happened, but all good things must come to an end, as they say. I've never commented at a blog before but have been known to lurk extensively. I know there is a big difference in the views here and I like that. Lots of conservative and a bit of offsetting liberal and I'm cool with that. The world would be a pretty dull place if all thought the same. Anyway, I'm mostly a lurker, but appreciate what Lem is doing and I will chime in occasionally if something riles me or amuses. You won't get any insults or meanness out of me though, I can assure you all of that. Life is to be enjoyed and I'm not out to be a burr in anyone's side.
I agree that this is straight up racism. I don't recall a time when a "not guilty" verdict meant we're just starting to fuck you, so hide in fear for the rest of your days.
And this is being ginned up not just by losers like Al and Jesse, but by the highest law enforcement officer in the nation.
"Who is the Hispanic version of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, and why haven't we heard from them?"
Yes, I've been wondering that also. Why aren't Mr. Zimmerman's ethnic pressure groups standing up for him? Is the Peruvian-African-American community so weak and divided?
bagoh20 said... ----------- crying racism is a cottage industry -- there are a lot of black people who can milk it to get rich, looks like. These people have been empowered by the election of Obama which is such a shame -- look at Sharpton. Who would have given him a TV show if it were not for Obama's election?
What is dismaying is that these people are holding back generational progress for the younger generation of blacks. The thing that sticks out to me is that these same people, people with power and resources could not give Martin and his ilk a safe and stable home and school environment and a path to productive life, and now they are bemoaning his death to enrich themselves. Disgusting.
Why aren't Mr. Zimmerman's ethnic pressure groups standing up for him?
I heard La raza (spelling?) and another large hispanic group were joining the AAs on this. My suspicion is that they are afraid of Obama. Zimmerman can go to hell.
I bought the Rolling Stone (1967-2007) on DVD for $15 (original price $119) from Amazon a few years ago. I also got eighty years of the New Yorker on DVD for about the same.
Pretty cheap admission to wander around in the cultural archives. You can get the sense of America changing year by year and even month by month.
I read old Stone issues more for nostalgia, but the New Yorker does offer quite a lot of fabulous writing going all the way back to the twenties.
"Let's all get up and dance to a song that was a hit before your mother was born..."
I would imagine Zimmerman is about to get a huge book deal and lots of money for interviews etc. He's a darling to many conservatives as we see here. Let's not break out the violin for him so ardently here.
Is Coach Carter a kid friendly movie? I've never seen it, but I thought I remembered someone telling me it was a good film in the " be responsible for your actions and life" way.
I'm thinking of a lifetime of following the rules, and doing what was expected, with the excursions to anti-establishment right down the liberal line of requisites including a career of safety and by the numbers approval in academia.
I'm not saying there is something wrong with that, but it's not really very exploratory, and I think it's the kind of thing that led to her Obama vote. She simply could not vote against the first Black President, no matter what. It was expected of her by her colleagues and her self image. The justification came later.
I don't want to pick at this, but I made the mistake of starting it. I'm done.
Freeman Hunt said... Looking for very specific film recommendations. Kid-friendly movies that depict healthy master/teacher-student relationships. One example of the kind of thing I'm talking about would be The Karate Kid. Any movies come to mind?
Brave (2012) is more a mother-daughter movie but it is about establishing trust in the relationship.
There aren't any national examples of hispanic Sharptons or Jacksons, but in the west and especially California, there are tons of local, state, and regional ones. The former Mayor of Los Angeles and 4-time bar exam failure, Antonio Villaraigosa is one embarrassing example.
I've got the perfect movie for ya Freeman. Think...Mr. Hand! Think Spicolli! Well, I guess the rest of it doesn't really scream "teacher/student" family fun.
harrogate said... I would imagine Zimmerman is about to get a huge book deal and lots of money for interviews etc. He's a darling to many conservatives as we see here. Let's not break out the violin for him so ardently here.
I came to feel some sympathy for Zimmerman during the trial. I am guessing here, but I think some of his more inexplicable behavior reflects his being pussy-whipped. The obsessive concern over security probably reflects his wife's concerns more than his own. He was out of his depth but I'm not sure the decision to swim so far from shore was his own.
Looking for very specific film recommendations. Kid-friendly movies that depict healthy master/teacher-student relationships. One example of the kind of thing I'm talking about would be The Karate Kid. Any movies come to mind?
Dammit, you said kid friendly. My first thought that came to mind was the 36 Chambers of Shaolin. Yeah, that won't work.
So I go to my search engine and I punch in "teacher/student movies. Bad choice I know, but I don't view porn so I'm not thinking that way.....and I get to what I assume will be a decent site to give me some titles(idbm, or whatever the movie site is) and Breaking Bad comes up number one. That's depressing....
I am just surprised how all these talking heads who have not seen the evidence can spout off their mouths.. watching Ben Carson and some ex NAACP president on Hannity making up their own scenarios (without evidence) and talking about the verdict..
That NAACP guy is saying why didn't Zimmerman say to Martin he was the neighborhood watch guy. Well, I will counter that with this: why didn't Martin just say, hey I live here, instead of punching Zimmerman in the nose?
I was curious about "The Ron Clark Story" in which Matthew Perry stars as an idealistic teacher who goes to NYC to teach minority children and it's inspiring.
Sexual magnetism trumps race, class,and common sense. But who knew that the editors of Rolling Stone had the libido of a sixteen year old girl?.......I wonder if Ariel Castro or Jeffrey Dahmer had been better looking, if they would have attracted any groupies.
Thank you, Lem for providing a great place for all the commenters to gather. I was so distressed when I thought that all these folks I had come to so appreciate would just 'vanish'. Now if only a few more of the regulars would find you....I'm thinking Scott(the bear avatar). I'd basically lurked around the old place for over 8 years! So...YAY...glad too see you all :)
We love "Remember the Titans." Not sure if it's uncomplicated enough for your purposes in the coach-student relationships given the racial theme, but it's definitely a favorite around here.
Joe Schmoe brought up a great point. Why is there no nationally recognized Hispanic front man like Jackson or Sharpton.
Jesse and Al are who they are largely because of promotion by the media. That media could easily, over the last many years, have given us a designated Hispanic spokesman/leader/rabble rouser, but they haven't.
Why not? It would (in some ways) be in the best interests of the Hispanics. Does white guilt have limitations?
My other impure thought of the evening is how would this bombing be treated if it happened, say, in Texas rather than Massachusetts.
It's been interesting to hear life-long, dyed-in-the-wool Massachusetts lefties, who reflexively embrace abortion while abhorring capital punishment, beg the DOJ for Tsarnaev to get the needle.
(okay, trying this again) Just wanted to say thanks to Lem for making such a nice place for all the commentors to gather. I was truly distressed when I thought all the folks I had followed for over 8 years would just 'vanish'. I'm so glad to see you all :) There are only a few people that I haven't seen around here yet...such as the 2 Scots ..or as I think of them, broccoli and bear. (I saw my first comment show for a brief time in the thread and then just disappear, so here's hoping this one stays)
I would imagine Zimmerman is about to get a huge book deal and lots of money for interviews etc. He's a darling to many conservatives as we see here.
He is?
According to whom?
If, by being "a darling to many conservatives" means people thought he was being railroaded, then, yes, clearly he was being railroaded.
Which, of course, is OK with people like harro.
Kali must be served, right?
AnUnreasonableTroll said...
I came to feel some sympathy for Zimmerman during the trial.
Sure, you did. I never saw anybody play Mme deFarge so enthusiastically.
I am guessing here, but I think some of his more inexplicable behavior reflects his being pussy-whipped. The obsessive concern over security probably reflects his wife's concerns more than his own. He was out of his depth but I'm not sure the decision to swim so far from shore was his own.
Looking for very specific film recommendations. Kid-friendly movies that depict healthy master/teacher-student relationships. One example of the kind of thing I'm talking about would be The Karate Kid. Any movies come to mind?
I shall not cause harm to any vehicle nor the personal contents thereof, nor through inaction let that vehicle or the personal contents thereof come to harm.
"That's what I call the repo code, kid. Don't forget it, etch it in your brain. Not many people got a code to live by anymore."
As I've said before, I for one respect Zimmerman, his family, what he was trying to do that night, the way he did it, and how he has handled himself ever since.
You can argue with that, but stick to the facts please.
I don't at all respect how those on the other side, especially in our government have acted. Zimmerman broke no laws, moral or legal, but our government officials at many levels have been disgusting, and illegal including violating Zimmerman's civil rights.
Freeman, all this time later I still love The Bad News Bears. Some semi-rough language but it's such a good story and kids tend to love it too. The master in that movie has a lot to teach but he learns something too!
"There is no "Hispanic" spokesman because "Hispanic" is a made up catch all category for people who have nothing in common, except they speak Spanish."
Largely true but not in line with my point, which I must not have made very well.
I've kind of run Zimmerman's facts through a self-inventory, and I pretty much come to the same conclusion. Haven't heard anything factual about his choices that I necessarily would have done differently. Damned lucky he had his CCW and a weapon, finally. However miserable his life became from that point on, I figure he's got to be internally delighted that he still has one. A life, that is.
harrogate, I like the original Bad News Bears as well. It must be alien for kids now to watch Kelly Leak pull up to practice on his motorcycle, smoking a cigarette.
I remember seeing a movie in the late 90s called the Spitfire Grill, and thinking what a well-done, family-style movie it was. I'm not submitting it as a mentor/mentee candidate, but if you are looking for a good family movie, not sentimental, based on good traditional values, then check it out sometime.
I don't remember the movies,but I remember looking forward to Abbot & Costello and Lewis & Martin movies when I was a kid. I can't remember any movie that ever improved my morality. There were some Biblical spectacles, but I only remember the gladiator fights and the dancing girls. There were a lot of dancing girls back in antiquity. ....Al Smith said that he never knew a girl who was ruined by reading a book. As an addendum to that I would add that I never knew a boy who was improved by seeing a movie.
I love The Rifleman. Watch it most mornings. I don't know of any other show past or present with such an intimate father/son relationship. I think it's what men as both fathers and sons imagine as ideal, at least in my generation, which is the current one.
Lucas McCain killed 113 men in 5 years with that modified Winchester 1892, and he never wanted to kill a single one. Just bad luck I guess. Maybe he was actually a lousy shot, and was just trying to scare 'em.
Well it got wimpy in the later years after Peckinpah left and he started saving the Indians and Mexicans instead of shooting them. Way too politically correct.
I remember watching that on TV when I was young and adoring it. And then having to wait forever to see it again because we couldn't just rent/buy/download a movie wayyyy back then.
Guns and Rifles were useless against Kung Fu. "Grasshopper" was just a peaceful Chinaman in the Old West. Just a fortune cookie writer, minding his own business, and beating up people - mostly evil white men who didn't like Mexicans and Indians.
Nice. I'm a huge Kung-Fu movie junkie. I have a friend that goes to China every quarter and comes back with a box full of dvd's with the latest Kung-Fu movies from back there.
"There is no "Hispanic" spokesman because "Hispanic" is a made up catch all category for people who have nothing in common, except they speak Spanish."
Largely true but not in line with my point, which I must not have made very well.
Not to mention that Hispania hasn't existed for a long long time.
My Bodyguard. Set and filmed in the neighborhood I lived in Chicago in early 80's. It is a great movie about a small kid in a tough high school. The message is very important. I doubt few people here ever even heard of it.
Good God, I just realized that Jann Wenner has been editing that damn rag since before I was born. Don't normal magazines turn over their managing editors at least once a generation? I haven't read it in maybe twenty years - back when they still published P.J. O'Rourke articles. Or do they still do that?
Who is the Hispanic version of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, and why haven't we heard from them?
You mean in the racial-grievance profiteer sense, or in the "would-be national-level banner carrier" sense? Because I think they were trying to engineer that mayor of San Antonio for the latter - Julian Castro, I think? I'm not sure if he really counts, though - he's actually won electoral office, unlike those two frauds. A lot of would-be Hispanic banner-carriers have, I think, sabotaged their ambitions by actually winning office. Nothing reduces a race-baiting blowhard like actual executive office - except, apparently, Obama for some reason.
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What do you guys think of the Rolling Stone Tsarnaev cover and the resulting flap?
(My apologies if this has been covered elsewhere. I don't think I saw it in any of the open threads.)
Pouring rain in Madison, we went from a sauna to steam room.
The cover is a disgrace. I'm told the story is a good in depth piece. But, giving this shitbird the cover is a travesty. Of course, they gave Charlie Manson the cover also. Got to sell those mags!!!
Frou Frou
Let Go
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kLkNICTdgc
So, let go, let go
Jump in
Oh well, what you waiting for?
It's all right
'Cause there's beauty in the breakdown
So, let go, let go
Just get in
Oh, it's so amazing here
It's all right
'cause there's beauty in the breakdown
It gains the more it gives
And then it rises with the fall
So hand me that remote
Can't you see that all that stuff's a sideshow?
Such boundless pleasure
We've no time for later
Now you can't await
your own arrival
I don't buy it, and I don't read it. That's the only thing you can do about it. Anything else just helps encourage Rolling Stone, who then encourages murderous assholes.
Ah hell I forgot how to do links on this platform--
Here the link--
Frou Frou--Let Go
What do you guys think of the Rolling Stone Tsarnaev cover and the resulting flap?
Time magazine used to put all manner of murderers on their covers. Did people boycott them?
That cover is a gift to terrorist recruiters, isn't it? I noticed that Althouse seemed self-congratulatory for noticing early that the younger of the bombers was a pretty-boy.
She was also holding up the interview of Trayvon Martin's clinically retarded girlfriend as vindication of her infamous ass-cracker post.
I hope she's OK. (Althouse, not Jenteal or whatever-the-hell). I'm starting to worry about her. There's a desolate feel over there, like someone talking to...no one, in a loud voice, in a great empty hall. Like Jack Nicholson in The Shining.
I Have Misplaced My Pants said...
What do you guys think of the Rolling Stone Tsarnaev cover and the resulting flap?
(My apologies if this has been covered elsewhere. I don't think I saw it in any of the open threads.)
It was clearly done on purpose and with malice. They knew they were going to get shit for it with the known "Any PR is good PR." tact. Gives new meaning to, "If it bleeds, it leads." sentiment.
Hey, a whole new thread to fill up!
And that's the second time I've read or heard "shitbird" this week. It's like I'm reading Ellroy again.
What do you guys think of the Rolling Stone Tsarnaev cover and the resulting flap?
Heh--Rite-Aid is now boycotting after CVS boycotted.
CVS I guess has some execs from Boston--so some people thought that boycott was more grassroots --but now Rite Aid.
Frankly I am shocked there is any push back--but hell nice to be surprised to the upside for once.
Somebody commented and I can't find it that so-and-so couldn't stop laughing when Althouse married Meade.
I wanted to suggest that that was an art student marrying a commoner, and not surprising at all.
Rolling Stone said something to the effect that the bomber is young, in the same age group as many of their readers. Which apparently makes this all the more important, relevant, whatever.
I would have guessed they had roughly the same audience as Imus.
Rolling Stone is not a magazine I'll ever buy, but
what the hell does a cover picture have to do with moral judgments?
And Time covers were about who had most influenced the news in the past year - no moral value considered.
At least so in Luce and Fuerbringer's time.
Hagar, the problem with the cover (such as it is) is that it plays up Joker as a pretty boy. Both my wife and I are vaguely reminded of pictures of a young Jim Morrison.
Basically, the cover gives the impression that Joker is the next hot young pop sensation, a new Justin Beiber.
This month's RS cover is only a succesful attempt by RS to get some attention. From what I understand, RS used to be able to get such attention by writing interesting articles about musicians, and sprinkling that with some articles pushing your basic left wing pap. More of a cry for help than a slap at the establishment.
It's nice to see a local boy make a name for himself:
http://twitpic.com/d36xzy
Palladian said...
What do you guys think of the Rolling Stone Tsarnaev cover and the resulting flap?
Time magazine used to put all manner of murderers on their covers. Did people boycott them?
July 17, 2013 at 7:01 PM
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Ya, you probably have a good point--and the Tsarnarevs are in a weird class of murderers.
I think something has to be done about the loser who thinks he must be famous and get on The Cover of The Rolling Stone--and if he has to shoot up a theater of people he will just to garner the infamy.
The Rolling Stone has a right to do it and people have a right to say--
"we aren't buying into this formula anymore".
Hagar, it's the opposite of when the news mags (I believe Time in particular but I may be wrong) used pictures of OJ Simpson that they had darkened, to make him look blacker and more menacing.
Rolling Stone said something to the effect that the bomber is young, in the same age group as many of their readers.
He's about the age of an RS reader from about forty years ago.
The subject of Rolling Stone covers is supposed to be talented, inspirational, or cutting edge and important.
A mass murderer basing his act on 700 year old conservative fundamentalist religion that nobody is talking about is a fail on all levels. It was solely for shock value. They might as well have put a goatse on there.
It's a business arrangement with terrorists.
Terrorists get attention, magazines get more eyeballs to sell.
Just take it into account.
What do you guys think of the Rolling Stone Tsarnaev cover and the resulting flap?
They are free to print what they want, and I am free to not buy it. There's not much downside for them. They dole out articles heavily suffused with lefty partisan assumed wisdom, and I suspect their current readership has been whittled down to those who are eager to consume it. To them, Muslim terrorism is nuanced and complex, and probably a result somehow of white western men.
CVS bans Rolling Stone from store; elderly hippies forced to browse National Enquirer while waiting for blood pressure machine,
From Iowahawk
The cover should have photos of the 4 people he killed, not him.
Well there is something about the photo that they chose, no?
The little pouty pose like he should be on the cover of--
Teen Beat
*hurl*
RS had Manson on the cover back in the day so this is par for their course. Dreamiest mass murderer of 1969. Of course, back then, they also had Hunter S. Thompson and later P.J. O'Rourke. Now they've eliminated all libertarian and conservative voices and it's all left all the time. Read it at a friend's house recently and it's a lot smaller than it used to be. In every way.
I'm all in favor or understanding terrorists - so we can kill them more efficiently.
madawaskan, I think you mean
*hurl*
Hey, amartel, were you the guy in TN whose neighbor's wife went skinny dipping in the neighbor's pool to distract the neighbor while her hubbo robbed the place?
Pic cribbed from here.
Icepick said...
madawaskan, I think you mean
*hurl*
July 17, 2013 at 7:56 PM
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LOL!
Exactimondo.
And I'm a chick-- just to clarify--but I get the urge to punch that %^$# er's lights out.
God I love that song. Great choice, Lem!
I don't like it, but I bought five copies for my Mother. She promised to embroider my jeans.
The obligatory Dr. Hook link.
So what are the most famous magazines for getting your picture on the cover?
I came up with Rolling Stone, Time Man of the Year, and Sports Illustrated Swimsuit.
Any others that should make that list?
I just realized that this has all been a celebration of Festivus. Now that we have had the Airing of Grievances it is time for the Feats of Strength. Especially now that AllenS is back among us.
So what are the most famous magazines for getting your picture on the cover?
I came up with Rolling Stone, Time Man of the Year, and Sports Illustrated Swimsuit.
Any others that should make that list?
Vanity Fair, Cosmopolitan (once upon a time)
10 Rules of Internet.
Rolling Stone has been about money for as long as I can remember. Of course most magazines are intended to make money and that's cool but they shouldn't remind the reader about that as much as Rolling Stone does.
It doesn't make me think of cool music and interesting performers, it makes me think of commercials.
According to witnesses, Tsarnaev placed a bomb in a crowd, right next to a young boy and just walked away. I'm glad to see CVS and Rite Aid not display it next to US and People like he's just another troubled celebrity.
According to witnesses, Tsarnaev placed a bomb in a crowd, right next to a young boy and just walked away. I'm glad to see CVS and Rite Aid not display it next to US and People like he's just another troubled celebrity.
It's a toss-up now between Tsarnaev and T. Martin for the next Nobel Peace Prize.
I wouldn't be surprised if Dhzokhar became a Che Guevara-type figure to a future generation.
Phx--I wonder (but am too lazy to research) whether RS does in fact make money anymore. Who reads it?
Which makes me wonder what magazines people still subscribe to. I read National Geographic even though the incessant population control drumbeat gets annoying, and Texas Monthly which is a surprisingly high quality publication. Longform, investigative journalism the likes of which one doesn't see much these days. It's more balanced than most publications even if the editorial board leans left.
Who reads it?
According to this site, the median age is 35.5.
Younger than I thought it might be.
"“Congress must act,” he added. “And it’s time to call on the United Nations Human Rights Commission for an in-depth investigation of whether the U.S. is upholding its obligations under international human rights laws and treaties.” ~ Jessie Jackson on the Zimmerman case
I personally think a magazine with Jesse Jackson on the cover is more offensive that one with D. Tsarnaev.
It's full-blown, unabashed, rabid racism, and nothing more. I don't see any difference between this and an attempt at a lynching, except that most lynchings were done in the dark.
Is there any doubt that Zimmerman would be killed outright in many communities in this country right now?
There are a lot of folks here that have clashed almost constantly @ the other venue. Even w/ the instigating by John Deere, it's been quite civil here. Lem, you set the tone, as does every blogger.
May I just say, as a first time commenter but long time Althouse lurker that I really enjoy reading the comments section. I enjoy Ann's posts, but I am a bit of a commenter junky to see how things bounced off the readers. Keep it up, it's fun to read. If it's cool with Lem, I'd like to comment occasionally and see how it goes. Thanks.
Hey, do you know who wore a Jesse Jackson button?
Please go for it Jason. The only thing wrong with the comments is that there are too few of us doing it.
Even I was smarter than that in 1988, and I was high as a kite... without the kite. Sheese!
Who is the Hispanic version of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, and why haven't we heard from them?
The girl has always been a lock step follower of what's hip among the wonder breads.
The girl has always been a lock step follower of what's hip among the wonder breads.
I wouldn't say that at all.
Looking for very specific film recommendations. Kid-friendly movies that depict healthy master/teacher-student relationships. One example of the kind of thing I'm talking about would be The Karate Kid. Any movies come to mind?
Thanks bagoh, I wish the dustup at Ann's blog hadn't happened, but all good things must come to an end, as they say. I've never commented at a blog before but have been known to lurk extensively. I know there is a big difference in the views here and I like that. Lots of conservative and a bit of offsetting liberal and I'm cool with that. The world would be a pretty dull place if all thought the same.
Anyway, I'm mostly a lurker, but appreciate what Lem is doing and I will chime in occasionally if something riles me or amuses. You won't get any insults or meanness out of me though, I can assure you all of that. Life is to be enjoyed and I'm not out to be a burr in anyone's side.
Joe Schmoe said...
Who is the Hispanic version of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, and why haven't we heard from them?
Because "Hispanic" is phony. Even the way they approach the language differs from region to region let alone culture and history.
Mexicans, Cubans, and Puerto Ricans are all as different as English, Irish, and Scots (or British, Americans, and Australians).
The closest you get is some of the La Raza and Aztlan types, but they're Mexican only.
I agree that this is straight up racism. I don't recall a time when a "not guilty" verdict meant we're just starting to fuck you, so hide in fear for the rest of your days.
And this is being ginned up not just by losers like Al and Jesse, but by the highest law enforcement officer in the nation.
"Who is the Hispanic version of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, and why haven't we heard from them?"
Yes, I've been wondering that also. Why aren't Mr. Zimmerman's ethnic pressure groups standing up for him? Is the Peruvian-African-American community so weak and divided?
bagoh20 said...
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crying racism is a cottage industry -- there are a lot of black people who can milk it to get rich, looks like. These people have been empowered by the election of Obama which is such a shame -- look at Sharpton. Who would have given him a TV show if it were not for Obama's election?
What is dismaying is that these people are holding back generational progress for the younger generation of blacks. The thing that sticks out to me is that these same people, people with power and resources could not give Martin and his ilk a safe and stable home and school environment and a path to productive life, and now they are bemoaning his death to enrich themselves. Disgusting.
Too bad Jesse J. could never get so worked up about all those black kids killed by other blacks. Maybe he could have gotten somewhere if so.
...movies that depict healthy master/teacher-student relationship
Ooh, I have a lot of great suggestions!
Oh wait... "kid-friendly"...
Never mind.
Why aren't Mr. Zimmerman's ethnic pressure groups standing up for him?
I heard La raza (spelling?) and another large hispanic group were joining the AAs on this. My suspicion is that they are afraid of Obama. Zimmerman can go to hell.
I bought the Rolling Stone (1967-2007) on DVD for $15 (original price $119) from Amazon a few years ago. I also got eighty years of the New Yorker on DVD for about the same.
Pretty cheap admission to wander around in the cultural archives. You can get the sense of America changing year by year and even month by month.
I read old Stone issues more for nostalgia, but the New Yorker does offer quite a lot of fabulous writing going all the way back to the twenties.
"Let's all get up and dance to a song that was a hit before your mother was born..."
I would imagine Zimmerman is about to get a huge book deal and lots of money for interviews etc. He's a darling to many conservatives as we see here. Let's not break out the violin for him so ardently here.
Zimmerman should just move here. People here tend to not be all wee weed up.
He might be bored though. Our crime rate is low. No need for a neighborhood watch patrol.
Is Coach Carter a kid friendly movie? I've never seen it, but I thought I remembered someone telling me it was a good film in the " be responsible for your actions and life" way.
"I wouldn't say that at all."
An example?
I'm thinking of a lifetime of following the rules, and doing what was expected, with the excursions to anti-establishment right down the liberal line of requisites including a career of safety and by the numbers approval in academia.
I'm not saying there is something wrong with that, but it's not really very exploratory, and I think it's the kind of thing that led to her Obama vote. She simply could not vote against the first Black President, no matter what. It was expected of her by her colleagues and her self image. The justification came later.
I don't want to pick at this, but I made the mistake of starting it. I'm done.
One example of the kind of thing I'm talking about would be The Karate Kid. Any movies come to mind?
Bloodsport!
Oh, wait, probably not what ou want.
Freeman Hunt said...
Looking for very specific film recommendations. Kid-friendly movies that depict healthy master/teacher-student relationships. One example of the kind of thing I'm talking about would be The Karate Kid. Any movies come to mind?
Brave (2012) is more a mother-daughter movie but it is about establishing trust in the relationship.
Freeman Hunt, how about 1955's "The Blackboard Jungle"?
The new hip generation Jeantel(?) would certainly think this is old school.
Is the Peruvian-African-American community so weak and divided?
Political pressure group death by hyphenation....
Freeman,
Tom Brown's School Days
Goodbye, Mr. Chips
Seize the Day
Captain Courageous
October Sky
Freeman Hunt said...
Looking for very specific film recommendations.
Sound of Music?
Stand and Deliver?
Also,
To Sir, With Love
Stand and Deliver
I just rewatched 007 Bond The Living Daylights (1987), but it's not master-student and there's a serious breast with nipple in it.
There's no smoking so it may be okay for kids.
There are no ironic quips.
I'm making my way through the Bond stack a second time. Every plot is new, thanks to plot chaos.
Oh wait, it wasn't Seize the Day, it was The Dead Poet's Society. Seize the Day was their motto. The movie of that name is completely different.
There aren't any national examples of hispanic Sharptons or Jacksons, but in the west and especially California, there are tons of local, state, and regional ones. The former Mayor of Los Angeles and 4-time bar exam failure, Antonio Villaraigosa is one embarrassing example.
Kid-friendly movies that depict healthy master/teacher-student relationships.
Sword in the Stone
Mr. Holland's Opus
Stand and Deliver
I can think of others but they may not be kid-friendly or offer questionable teacher-student relationships.
To Sir, With Love
White Squall
The Dead Poets Society
I've got the perfect movie for ya Freeman. Think...Mr. Hand! Think Spicolli! Well, I guess the rest of it doesn't really scream "teacher/student" family fun.
Never mind.....
harrogate said...
He's a darling to many conservatives as we see here.
Conservatives support not being railroaded for political reasons. It's a shame so many Americans see that as a disagreement.
I liked the master chess teacher in "Searching for Bobby Fisher", but that may not fit the bill precisely.
My daughters and I enjoyed it very much when they were adolescents.
The Corn is Green
I knew that if I tossed that up here, it would all be solved. You all are good!
harrogate said...
I would imagine Zimmerman is about to get a huge book deal and lots of money for interviews etc. He's a darling to many conservatives as we see here. Let's not break out the violin for him so ardently here.
I came to feel some sympathy for Zimmerman during the trial. I am guessing here, but I think some of his more inexplicable behavior reflects his being pussy-whipped. The obsessive concern over security probably reflects his wife's concerns more than his own. He was out of his depth but I'm not sure the decision to swim so far from shore was his own.
Then there's always
Mary Poppins
The Sound Of Music
Chim-chim-cherree!
Freeman Hunt said...
Looking for very specific film recommendations. Kid-friendly movies that depict healthy master/teacher-student relationships. One example of the kind of thing I'm talking about would be The Karate Kid. Any movies come to mind?
Dammit, you said kid friendly. My first thought that came to mind was the 36 Chambers of Shaolin. Yeah, that won't work.
@Freeman,
If this is for young children, or older children with a tolerance for animated films & silliness --- Kung-fu Panda.
So I go to my search engine and I punch in "teacher/student movies. Bad choice I know, but I don't view porn so I'm not thinking that way.....and I get to what I assume will be a decent site to give me some titles(idbm, or whatever the movie site is) and Breaking Bad comes up number one. That's depressing....
I am just surprised how all these talking heads who have not seen the evidence can spout off their mouths.. watching Ben Carson and some ex NAACP president on Hannity making up their own scenarios (without evidence) and talking about the verdict..
That NAACP guy is saying why didn't Zimmerman say to Martin he was the neighborhood watch guy. Well, I will counter that with this: why didn't Martin just say, hey I live here, instead of punching Zimmerman in the nose?
I was curious about "The Ron Clark Story" in which Matthew Perry stars as an idealistic teacher who goes to NYC to teach minority children and it's inspiring.
Haven't seen it though.
The Miracle Worker
Goodbye Mr. Chips
Dead Poets Society (can't remember how kid friendly friendly it is though).
Methad, heh. I do have that on DVD...
How about the first half of Full Metal Jacket? Gunnery Sergent Hartman takes a bunch of raw recruits and turns them into MARINES!
I'd say the Dragonball series, except that it is impossible to hide what a giant perv Roshi is.
"It's a hardball world, son. We've got to keep our heads until this peace craze blows over."
Saul Bellow's story "Seize the Day" was very different than the Robin Williams version.
I guess that is usually the case when the written word is taken into another medium.
I think the movie was much more depressing. Robin Williams has a very dark side, that's for sure, and he really tapped into it in that picture.
Sexual magnetism trumps race, class,and common sense. But who knew that the editors of Rolling Stone had the libido of a sixteen year old girl?.......I wonder if Ariel Castro or Jeffrey Dahmer had been better looking, if they would have attracted any groupies.
Isn't it strange that they didn't put the nutjob who shot up the movie theatre in Colorado on their cover? It's all just a sick game...
Freeman, I was going to suggest To Sir With Love, but someone beat me to it. It's a little corny and dated, but sometimes kids like that.
Freeman:
The Miracle Worker (1962)
Thank you, Lem for providing a great place for all the commenters to gather. I was so distressed when I thought that all these folks I had come to so appreciate would just 'vanish'. Now if only a few more of the regulars would find you....I'm thinking Scott(the bear avatar). I'd basically lurked around the old place for over 8 years! So...YAY...glad too see you all :)
Any movies come to mind?
We love "Remember the Titans." Not sure if it's uncomplicated enough for your purposes in the coach-student relationships given the racial theme, but it's definitely a favorite around here.
Icepick, I love the first half hour of Full Metal Jacket, but until this moment I hadn't seen the kid friendliness of the doughnut scene.
Joe Schmoe brought up a great point. Why is there no nationally recognized Hispanic front man like Jackson or Sharpton.
Jesse and Al are who they are largely because of promotion by the media. That media could easily, over the last many years, have given us a designated Hispanic spokesman/leader/rabble rouser, but they haven't.
Why not? It would (in some ways) be in the best interests of the Hispanics. Does white guilt have limitations?
Freeman, I don't if Hoosiers is a possibility. Gene Hackman is great as the coach of a small high school basketball team.
"Wax on - wax off".
My other impure thought of the evening is how would this bombing be treated if it happened, say, in Texas rather than Massachusetts.
It's been interesting to hear life-long, dyed-in-the-wool Massachusetts lefties, who reflexively embrace abortion while abhorring capital punishment, beg the DOJ for Tsarnaev to get the needle.
To Sir with Love was a lot of fun when I was a kid. The book was cool too.
Mon Uncle by Tati, my all time favorite and kid is the main character with his uncle.
(okay, trying this again)
Just wanted to say thanks to Lem for making such a nice place for all the commentors to gather. I was truly distressed when I thought all the folks I had followed for over 8 years would just 'vanish'. I'm so glad to see you all :) There are only a few people that I haven't seen around here yet...such as the 2 Scots ..or as I think of them, broccoli and bear.
(I saw my first comment show for a brief time in the thread and then just disappear, so here's hoping this one stays)
Mr. Holland's Opus wasn't terrible.
harrogate said...
I would imagine Zimmerman is about to get a huge book deal and lots of money for interviews etc. He's a darling to many conservatives as we see here.
He is?
According to whom?
If, by being "a darling to many conservatives" means people thought he was being railroaded, then, yes, clearly he was being railroaded.
Which, of course, is OK with people like harro.
Kali must be served, right?
AnUnreasonableTroll said...
I came to feel some sympathy for Zimmerman during the trial.
Sure, you did. I never saw anybody play Mme deFarge so enthusiastically.
I am guessing here, but I think some of his more inexplicable behavior reflects his being pussy-whipped. The obsessive concern over security probably reflects his wife's concerns more than his own. He was out of his depth but I'm not sure the decision to swim so far from shore was his own.
No, he did what he had to do.
Saint Skittles was a punk with a record flying high on Skittles.
Sounds like Troll is the one pussy-whipped, going along wit this farce because all his Lefty buds did.
Freeman Hunt said...
Looking for very specific film recommendations. Kid-friendly movies that depict healthy master/teacher-student relationships. One example of the kind of thing I'm talking about would be The Karate Kid. Any movies come to mind?
How old are the kids?
I mean, a 9 year old could get into "Hondo".
what about UNHEALTHY master/teacher-student relationships?
I'd suggest "Flim-flam man" or "Repo Man".
I shall not cause harm to any vehicle nor the personal contents thereof, nor through inaction let that vehicle or the personal contents thereof come to harm.
"That's what I call the repo code, kid. Don't forget it, etch it in your brain. Not many people got a code to live by anymore."
Kill Bill. Well, *my* kids like it.
My kids love "Hondo."
Mr. Holland's Opus wasn't terrible.
Just a little too sentimental though for my taste. YMMV.
Probably not one that fits Freeman's needs but what was that movie with Mel Gibson where he was scarred?
"This--spank--is what--spank--you get--spank--for fuckin' around--spank--with yakuza! Now go home to your mother!"
"Hondo" would be inappropriate for my kids. I'm trying not to expose them to the corners of a woman's hungry heart, at least for a few years yet.
Freeman, have they had "Huckleberry Finn" read to them?
I know it has the N-word, but, if you want a good mentor story, that's it.
Jim is the only real man in the book, except for a couple of incidental characters, and he's the one who teaches Huck to be a man.
As I've said before, I for one respect Zimmerman, his family, what he was trying to do that night, the way he did it, and how he has handled himself ever since.
You can argue with that, but stick to the facts please.
I don't at all respect how those on the other side, especially in our government have acted. Zimmerman broke no laws, moral or legal, but our government officials at many levels have been disgusting, and illegal including violating Zimmerman's civil rights.
Freeman - Dittos for Stand and Deliver.
Freeman, all this time later I still love The Bad News Bears. Some semi-rough language but it's such a good story and kids tend to love it too. The master in that movie has a lot to teach but he learns something too!
Roger J was earlier saying the Choom Gang scandals have been pushed aside.
Maybe not.
Evidence that takes the IRS abuses straight to the White House
"There is no "Hispanic" spokesman because "Hispanic" is a made up catch all category for people who have nothing in common, except they speak Spanish."
Largely true but not in line with my point, which I must not have made very well.
phx, it might be gooey for adult sensibilities, but I was thinking of sparing the children the gritty realism of something like The Killing Fields.
Star Wars? (the first one)
Maybe Black Stallion (Mickey Rooney was masterish)
I've kind of run Zimmerman's facts through a self-inventory, and I pretty much come to the same conclusion. Haven't heard anything factual about his choices that I necessarily would have done differently. Damned lucky he had his CCW and a weapon, finally. However miserable his life became from that point on, I figure he's got to be internally delighted that he still has one. A life, that is.
Cesar Chavez had a spokesman role, though he was much more MLKjr than Sharpton.
Oh God, Joe Schmoe, absolutely.
Scorcese's Hugo fits the bill.
The very first Rocky does, too.
Surprisingly, the new Superman, weith several teachers.
To Kill A Mockingbird, natch.
The Pursuit of Happyness.
PHX, Man with No Face.
Oh God, Joe Schmoe, absolutely.
:)
How about the Spencer Tracy movie "Boys Town"?
I seem to remember a Whoopie Goldberg movie... help me out IMDB...
Clara's Heart.
Has anyone mentioned Karate Kid II?
thx Paddy O, that's the one. That was pretty decent as I recall. Gibson's one of those chew-the-carpet actors but he does it better than most.
Ha ha ha. Angels with Dirty Faces.
harrogate, I like the original Bad News Bears as well. It must be alien for kids now to watch Kelly Leak pull up to practice on his motorcycle, smoking a cigarette.
JS said The Killing Fields and I was misremembering that as The Onion Field, which was also a nice piece of gritty reality. Wandering off-topic here.
Billy Jack.
Skinny and Fatty (B&W, Japanese with Eng. subtitles).
I'm gonna take this right foot, and put it on that side of your face, and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.
Could almost stretch it to "Harold & Maude" where Ruth Gordon plays an odd combo: Wise Elder and Manic Pixie Dream Girl.
Billy Jack.
LOL
I remember seeing a movie in the late 90s called the Spitfire Grill, and thinking what a well-done, family-style movie it was. I'm not submitting it as a mentor/mentee candidate, but if you are looking for a good family movie, not sentimental, based on good traditional values, then check it out sometime.
It is a very good film, Joe. The young girl is sometimes the student and others, the teacher.
Every movie mentioned is well before my time.
Charlie Chaplin 's silent classic The Kid is worth a viewing, involving The Little Tramp raising an orphan. Touching.
That's way before my time, too, but fascinating. If you are fascinated by worlds long gone.
Freeman, all this time later I still love The Bad News Bears
You can take your apology, and your trophy and shove it up your a@@!
Not exactly a PC movie, but there is a lot of learning going on. The kids and the Coach.
Three great films with a master student theme:
Red River.
A Bronx Tale.
Training Day.
Of course they might be a little over the top for a young kid. Just sayn'
Also I would rent two great TV shows on Netflicks:
The Rifleman with Chuck Conners.
Kung Fu with David Carradine.
Positive teaching experiences without the sex and violence that the movies I picked displayed.
The Rifleman is particularly good as he gets to shoot somebody in every episode.
Especially the ones written and directed by Sam Peckinpah.
I don't remember the movies,but I remember looking forward to Abbot & Costello and Lewis & Martin movies when I was a kid. I can't remember any movie that ever improved my morality. There were some Biblical spectacles, but I only remember the gladiator fights and the dancing girls. There were a lot of dancing girls back in antiquity. ....Al Smith said that he never knew a girl who was ruined by reading a book. As an addendum to that I would add that I never knew a boy who was improved by seeing a movie.
I love The Rifleman. Watch it most mornings. I don't know of any other show past or present with such an intimate father/son relationship. I think it's what men as both fathers and sons imagine as ideal, at least in my generation, which is the current one.
Freeman Hunt:
"Glory."
Lucas McCain killed 113 men in 5 years with that modified Winchester 1892, and he never wanted to kill a single one. Just bad luck I guess. Maybe he was actually a lousy shot, and was just trying to scare 'em.
The Rifleman - also, no wife. Lost her in a mime attack or something.
Well it got wimpy in the later years after Peckinpah left and he started saving the Indians and Mexicans instead of shooting them. Way too politically correct.
But it is still fun. Just sayn'
The Rifleman had Lucas teaching his son a lesson at the end of every episode.
It is the best half hour on TV bar none.
Ooh. To Sir, With Love
I remember watching that on TV when I was young and adoring it. And then having to wait forever to see it again because we couldn't just rent/buy/download a movie wayyyy back then.
And the song! Still love it.
Kung Fu with David Carradine.
Guns and Rifles were useless against Kung Fu. "Grasshopper" was just a peaceful Chinaman in the Old West. Just a fortune cookie writer, minding his own business, and beating up people - mostly evil white men who didn't like Mexicans and Indians.
Didn't David carridine die in some weird sex contraption accident in Bangkok?
Guess none of the "Kung Fu" philosophy stuck with him.
I think I was in middle school when Kung Fu was on TV.
I really liked it.
It made me wish I lived in a Buddhist monastery where I'd have teachers who weren't idiots.
Freeman Hunt said...
Methad, heh. I do have that on DVD...
Nice. I'm a huge Kung-Fu movie junkie. I have a friend that goes to China every quarter and comes back with a box full of dvd's with the latest Kung-Fu movies from back there.
Rabel said...
"There is no "Hispanic" spokesman because "Hispanic" is a made up catch all category for people who have nothing in common, except they speak Spanish."
Largely true but not in line with my point, which I must not have made very well.
Not to mention that Hispania hasn't existed for a long long time.
Trooper York said...
Three great films with a master student theme:
Red River.
A Bronx Tale.
Training Day.
Of course they might be a little over the top for a young kid. Just sayn'
I thought training day was awesome.
My Bodyguard. Set and filmed in the neighborhood I lived in Chicago in early 80's. It is a great movie about a small kid in a tough high school. The message is very important. I doubt few people here ever even heard of it.
Good God, I just realized that Jann Wenner has been editing that damn rag since before I was born. Don't normal magazines turn over their managing editors at least once a generation? I haven't read it in maybe twenty years - back when they still published P.J. O'Rourke articles. Or do they still do that?
Who is the Hispanic version of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, and why haven't we heard from them?
You mean in the racial-grievance profiteer sense, or in the "would-be national-level banner carrier" sense? Because I think they were trying to engineer that mayor of San Antonio for the latter - Julian Castro, I think? I'm not sure if he really counts, though - he's actually won electoral office, unlike those two frauds. A lot of would-be Hispanic banner-carriers have, I think, sabotaged their ambitions by actually winning office. Nothing reduces a race-baiting blowhard like actual executive office - except, apparently, Obama for some reason.
Thanks again for all of these movie suggestions. I love being among people who love movies. :)
(I normally don't do smileys, but I'm really feelin' it, so there 'tis.)
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