The front page of the Daily News had a photo where he was kneeling passively with his neck stretched out and the Muslim with the blade hovering over him like he was going to give him a shave. Why does he just kneel there while he is getting his throat cut? Is he drugged? Brainwashed?
Why can't we just kill this one guy? And the camera operator, head gaffer, sound guy, and everyone in editing and post-production? But especially the profile in courage in the burkha. I've heard reports that they suspect who he is which means that they do know. He's British so he's left a trail. He probably ditched his cellie but there must be other methods of zeroing in on a known entity. I just have this sneaking suspicion that if we (meaning We, the Government) wanted to find and eliminate this creature, it'd be done by now. Like if some high ranking Citizen was in peril.
My guess regarding the "passivity" is that it's common sense: They know they're going to die and it's over faster that way. Just a guess. I refuse to watch the videos and I refuse cast aspersions on the innocent victims of these savages.
You should also photoshop pictures of Abdel-Majed Abdel Bary (the name of the rapping Ali G-look alike/inspiration butcher in the video) as a series of "Sad Jihadi" photos. Make him look happy, then sad. Like Keanu Reeves, but more deservedly so.
I got to know a really cool Assyrian lady in Chicago back in the day. They have a whole community of them there - Christian Iraqis who speak a language closely related to Hebrew and ran empires there more than a thousand years before Muhammad (Grease be upon Him) came upon the scene. She was cautiously enthusiastic about the initial invasion of Iraq, and planned to go back there afterward in order to start a business.
Before I left, the one thing she told me to never forget is how much Muslims love to fight. Basically, their whole religion is about the sanctification of violence. Some religions might make sacraments out of bread and wine. Some out of certain scrolls. With them, it's about the holiness and glorification of weaponry. Especially apparently weaponry that can be kept close to the body.
Makes for better individual poses in an age when swords ceased being the preferred accessory of choice.
They're already in the stone age but I doubt bombing them to stay that way won't do any good. As with the USSR, give them the chance to implement their shit. Let's see how it goes, how well it works out. Contain the hell out of them -- but then by their very nature a lot of containment would already be a given. Let them erect their version of a virtuous Islamic state and show the world how awesome they think it is.
Trust me, it would become the best anti-recruitment tool possible. Those not turned off by the violence and lack of new territory to conquer will be turned off by the bureaucracy of collecting taxes and providing services. It's only the oil that would make a difference so keep their asses away from the derricks and spigots and dams and let them have their fun little desert dystopia to themselves. And keep everyone who's ever been there the hell out of Europe and North America - or let them back in and put their heads through a modified carrot chopper, operated slowly enough to take a full 24 hours to close completely.
They can't recruit them if they are dead. They have pushed out all of the Jews, Christians and other minorities. All the people who remain have acquiesced to the caliphate. Like the people who lived in Dresden or Hiroshima.
They want death and destruction. Let's give them death and destruction the old fashioned All-American way that made this country the dominant superpower on Earth.
It's time to stop dicking around and letting them think they can get away with attacking us and cutting our throats.
Japan was a single, isolated nation allied with axis powers with whom we were already engaged in a total war. Also, the fanatical death cult of late Imperial Japan was a recent innovation based off of a modified (modernized) Samurai cult redux.
Islam is the multi-ethnic religion of greater than a billion zombies and its caliphate the political norm for more than a thousand years. As long as its only been out of vogue for a hundred, there will always be fascination for it and, thanks to Islamic codes, attempts to reinstitute it in some form or another. As you can tell, Muzzies are extremely disenchanted with anything else and cling fervently to the hope that this long-held "alternative" to Western civilization might still arise in an improved form. Their religion basically calls them to it.
I don't see any changing "hearts and minds" (presuming those are relevant) here. In America, many more than in Europe will and do find our platform for freedom attractive. But as long as the religious default polity remains caliphate, I think allowing one to exist, in all its manifest shittiness, will be the only thing that advertises how fucked up and worthy of abandonment it really is.
Look at how many people today still cling to communism. It would be more if we'd never let the Soviet experiment play itself out.
At least, that's just my two cents. I could be wrong. But there's no changing their interpretation of every attempt we make to dictate terms and violently suppress their LSD-trip worthy social and political experiments as justification for trying them out in the first place.
While I don't understand passivity myself, I do have one theory.
It is a common tactic to stage mock executions. It is possible the victim believes the outcome will be no different this time than any of the previous dozens times the captors staged fake executions.
To have any better insight, I'd have to watch the videos, and I don't care to. I watched the Nick Berg video, and what I got out of it was a helpless and harmless man being slaughtered by people who enjoyed the power they held over a life. There was nothing brave or strong about what the captors did, and I doubt anything has changed.
To tell you the truth I don't worry about what they are going to say in a hundred years. Every so often we need to make an example. Hiroshima lasted for a long time. Even the Russians at their worst realized that they shouldn't fuck with us. But we frittered that away and now these towel heads have no fear. If we fire bomb the caliphate and kill everyone it will be a salutory lesson for the Russian, the Chinese, the terrorists and everyone else. Nobody kills like Americans. Just ask the Redskins, the Japs, the Jerries and all the rest who stood in our way.
We need to go back to the old ways. The proven ways. The ways that work.
You're not going to kill enough to "make an example". It's a much older, more largely held ideology. The idea that we can live without it being forced to reckon with its own inferior status and need for reformation is revenge-talk. The fact that a good number of these goons came from our own countries means you can't bomb away its causes anyway - which are and were religious ideology. We didn't even genocide away all of Japan. You are not thinking, but emoting. To kill every Muslim would be a billion-person+ wide operation, not to mention who are you going to repopulate the place with (as if anyone else wants to live there), and breaking the laws that prevent you from conducting your little Nuclear Inquisition/Witch Hunt in Europe and America to root out and I suppose kill off the major perpetrators. Invoking past, unrelated struggles doesn't change any of this.
I hope you're not deliberately joking. This is all serious shit so the last thing we need is to be talking out of our asses and adding to it.
We don't have to kill every Muslim. Just enough to make them think twice before they bring Jihad here.
Of course it is revenge talk. Revenge is good. That is what we used to do when America was on the right path. Hiroshima was revenge for Pearl Harbor. Dresden was revenge for Auschwitz.
These animals only understand power and a boot on their throat. An example must be made. Destroy the caliphate root and branch and sow the site with salt. The old ways are the best ways.
You want to do it without boots on the ground. I agree. You think trying to nation build with a bunch of Medieval douchebags is stupid. I agree. Nobody kills like a pissed off American.
Sand Creek. Dresden. Hiroshima.
This caliphate is concentrating a bunch of jihadists in one spot. A ripe target. Give every mixed up kid who wants to be a suicide bomber his wish come true. Carpet bomb them.
The old ways are the best ways.
We can do it with minimal risk to our people. No more American Body bags. Worry about our people not these animals.
It is a new country with a new populace who want to be politically correct instead of being safe.
They would have surrendered to the Japanese. They would have said why should we worry about the Jews. I mean they say the same thing about the women that are being raped and the Christians being murdered right before our eyes.
Just as Sixty said even 911 was not enough. I blame Bush. He had the moment when he had to do what had to be done. Instead he started this "Islam is not to blame" bullshit.
All of the people who blame Bush are right. If he didn't do what had to be done then and there then there is no way a witless secret Muslim like Obama will do anything.
They might only understand power but they only know of ways of acquiring it for themselves. In fact, they're obsessed with it. Why do you think their economies - apart from those running on mineral wealth - are shit? Because all they think about all day is how to wreak enough destruction to create a society too totalitarian to do anything constructive.
Until they're given no other option but to take responsibility for their own problems, that's never going to change. They're a perpetual blame machine locked in the "on" position and that's a religious/cultural problem, not a not-being-bombed-enough problem.
Japan worshiped America after WWII. Muslims will only seek to show how they are better than others, including America. Islam =/= Shintoism.
And as long as America's always showing how to "fix" their problems that's never going to change.
And ISIS hates Hamas, so attacks on Tel Aviv don't look likely. You need to get your Middle East conflict dramas straightened out. And last I heard they're more concerned with making videos in Iraq than attacking us here. If I'm wrong then show me. We don't need any more trillion dollar wars on the credit card based on excessive fear. Don't take the bait. Let them kill themselves off.
It is a new country with a new populace who want to be politically correct instead of being safe.
Oh for God's sake. Where is the threat?! Beheading journos obsessed with war-zone reporting is not a threat. It's a crime by a non-state actor that doesn't require a trillion dollar war. They are baiting you. Either bleeding the treasury through ransom or war. God forbid they actually attack us. What then? Invent fusion bombs to blow up the planet entirely? I mean, it's going to have to be a lot bigger than the nuclear bomb that you told us was the necessary escalation to a few hostage journos losing their heads. That's the problem with climaxing too early, Troop.
Someone keeps forgetting that these are Americans and Europeans doing the deeds. These are largely Americans and Europeans in the first place. Letting them have their own violent jihad summer camp in Iraq is better than keeping them here, or wasting our time fighting them. What a waste. I heard about fighting Saddam/al Qaeda there so we wouldn't fight them here. In this case, they already left to gothere. So now we have to chase them? Fuck that, Iraq's where they ran to, away from us. Keep them there!
Given how much military aid and equipment we've given Saudi Arabia (and the gulf), if they can't/won't do this job then that's the ultimate display of useless policy on two counts.
Let's let R&B and Trooper work it out, because in my opinion they're both half right.
R&B, we need be seen as Berserkers, afraid of naught.
Trooper, we need seem as Berserkers, afraid of naught.
Instead, we can't even spank our fricking kids. And we think ourselves worthy of a stand on the world stage... all the little things add up to serious and major repercussions. I have not much hope for us ever getting anything right, anymore.
Okay I get the logic of this but Muslim nations don't and can't operate in a vacuum. They lack the diversity of economy and the deep intellectual and creative bench. The usual suspects are standing by to game the situation (they're already doing so and have been for some time) for their own geopolitical benefit, prolonging the misery and delaying any cultural reckoning or society-wide realization anticipated by this plan. See e.g., North Korea, large chunks of Africa, slightly smaller chunks of South and Central America. Except Islam will have nuclear weapons, and the crazy mad will to deploy them.
I hope that drone warfare wins part of the fight. Drones with cameras. That's the sort of bloodlust we need right now.
Miniature drones like insects flying all over the place, in swarms, that communicate, locate, assassinate. They'll become paranoid about every tiny thing that moves, swatting themselves incessantly, convinced every insect is a CIA drone, and they're right! Take out a whole army with drone insects.
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Butchers.
OMG Chip. You went there.
LOL
I simply can not get over this photo,
The front page of the Daily News had a photo where he was kneeling passively with his neck stretched out and the Muslim with the blade hovering over him like he was going to give him a shave. Why does he just kneel there while he is getting his throat cut? Is he drugged? Brainwashed?
It is all horrible and very disturbing.
I do not get the passivity of the slaughters, but if they threaten the other hostages with torture--that could explain it.
Why can't we just kill this one guy? And the camera operator, head gaffer, sound guy, and everyone in editing and post-production? But especially the profile in courage in the burkha. I've heard reports that they suspect who he is which means that they do know. He's British so he's left a trail. He probably ditched his cellie but there must be other methods of zeroing in on a known entity. I just have this sneaking suspicion that if we (meaning We, the Government) wanted to find and eliminate this creature, it'd be done by now. Like if some high ranking Citizen was in peril.
My guess regarding the "passivity" is that it's common sense: They know they're going to die and it's over faster that way. Just a guess. I refuse to watch the videos and I refuse cast aspersions on the innocent victims of these savages.
If Obama had a son he would dress just like that...
Lol.
You should also photoshop pictures of Abdel-Majed Abdel Bary (the name of the rapping Ali G-look alike/inspiration butcher in the video) as a series of "Sad Jihadi" photos. Make him look happy, then sad. Like Keanu Reeves, but more deservedly so.
It is all horrible and very disturbing.
I got to know a really cool Assyrian lady in Chicago back in the day. They have a whole community of them there - Christian Iraqis who speak a language closely related to Hebrew and ran empires there more than a thousand years before Muhammad (Grease be upon Him) came upon the scene. She was cautiously enthusiastic about the initial invasion of Iraq, and planned to go back there afterward in order to start a business.
Before I left, the one thing she told me to never forget is how much Muslims love to fight. Basically, their whole religion is about the sanctification of violence. Some religions might make sacraments out of bread and wine. Some out of certain scrolls. With them, it's about the holiness and glorification of weaponry. Especially apparently weaponry that can be kept close to the body.
Makes for better individual poses in an age when swords ceased being the preferred accessory of choice.
Lol. Bary kind of looks like Russell Brand.
They're already in the stone age but I doubt bombing them to stay that way won't do any good. As with the USSR, give them the chance to implement their shit. Let's see how it goes, how well it works out. Contain the hell out of them -- but then by their very nature a lot of containment would already be a given. Let them erect their version of a virtuous Islamic state and show the world how awesome they think it is.
Trust me, it would become the best anti-recruitment tool possible. Those not turned off by the violence and lack of new territory to conquer will be turned off by the bureaucracy of collecting taxes and providing services. It's only the oil that would make a difference so keep their asses away from the derricks and spigots and dams and let them have their fun little desert dystopia to themselves. And keep everyone who's ever been there the hell out of Europe and North America - or let them back in and put their heads through a modified carrot chopper, operated slowly enough to take a full 24 hours to close completely.
They can't recruit them if they are dead. They have pushed out all of the Jews, Christians and other minorities. All the people who remain have acquiesced to the caliphate. Like the people who lived in Dresden or Hiroshima.
We need to go back to the old ways.
They were best.
They want death and destruction. Let's give them death and destruction the old fashioned All-American way that made this country the dominant superpower on Earth.
It's time to stop dicking around and letting them think they can get away with attacking us and cutting our throats.
Japan was a single, isolated nation allied with axis powers with whom we were already engaged in a total war. Also, the fanatical death cult of late Imperial Japan was a recent innovation based off of a modified (modernized) Samurai cult redux.
Islam is the multi-ethnic religion of greater than a billion zombies and its caliphate the political norm for more than a thousand years. As long as its only been out of vogue for a hundred, there will always be fascination for it and, thanks to Islamic codes, attempts to reinstitute it in some form or another. As you can tell, Muzzies are extremely disenchanted with anything else and cling fervently to the hope that this long-held "alternative" to Western civilization might still arise in an improved form. Their religion basically calls them to it.
I don't see any changing "hearts and minds" (presuming those are relevant) here. In America, many more than in Europe will and do find our platform for freedom attractive. But as long as the religious default polity remains caliphate, I think allowing one to exist, in all its manifest shittiness, will be the only thing that advertises how fucked up and worthy of abandonment it really is.
Look at how many people today still cling to communism. It would be more if we'd never let the Soviet experiment play itself out.
At least, that's just my two cents. I could be wrong. But there's no changing their interpretation of every attempt we make to dictate terms and violently suppress their LSD-trip worthy social and political experiments as justification for trying them out in the first place.
Plus, if the A rabs don't take it on themselves, then it's only discouraging the rightful owners of this social catastrophe from confronting it.
I look at it this way: Welfare without appropriate incentives only encourages gaming the economic system.
And warfare without appropriate incentives also only encourages gaming the system of international alliances and collective security.
We need to stop giving the A rabs warfare/security welfare pronto. Let them figure out what's in their own interest and how to defend it.
I mean, look at it this way.
In a hundred years, do you really still want some Arab saying:
"My people arrrre verrrry violent."
"It is your job to brrrrotect me from them."
Hell no I don't want that.
While I don't understand passivity myself, I do have one theory.
It is a common tactic to stage mock executions. It is possible the victim believes the outcome will be no different this time than any of the previous dozens times the captors staged fake executions.
To have any better insight, I'd have to watch the videos, and I don't care to. I watched the Nick Berg video, and what I got out of it was a helpless and harmless man being slaughtered by people who enjoyed the power they held over a life. There was nothing brave or strong about what the captors did, and I doubt anything has changed.
To tell you the truth I don't worry about what they are going to say in a hundred years. Every so often we need to make an example. Hiroshima lasted for a long time. Even the Russians at their worst realized that they shouldn't fuck with us. But we frittered that away and now these towel heads have no fear. If we fire bomb the caliphate and kill everyone it will be a salutory lesson for the Russian, the Chinese, the terrorists and everyone else. Nobody kills like Americans. Just ask the Redskins, the Japs, the Jerries and all the rest who stood in our way.
We need to go back to the old ways. The proven ways. The ways that work.
Kill them. Destroy their caliphate.
Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.
You're not going to kill enough to "make an example". It's a much older, more largely held ideology. The idea that we can live without it being forced to reckon with its own inferior status and need for reformation is revenge-talk. The fact that a good number of these goons came from our own countries means you can't bomb away its causes anyway - which are and were religious ideology. We didn't even genocide away all of Japan. You are not thinking, but emoting. To kill every Muslim would be a billion-person+ wide operation, not to mention who are you going to repopulate the place with (as if anyone else wants to live there), and breaking the laws that prevent you from conducting your little Nuclear Inquisition/Witch Hunt in Europe and America to root out and I suppose kill off the major perpetrators. Invoking past, unrelated struggles doesn't change any of this.
I hope you're not deliberately joking. This is all serious shit so the last thing we need is to be talking out of our asses and adding to it.
We don't have to kill every Muslim. Just enough to make them think twice before they bring Jihad here.
Of course it is revenge talk. Revenge is good. That is what we used to do when America was on the right path. Hiroshima was revenge for Pearl Harbor. Dresden was revenge for Auschwitz.
These animals only understand power and a boot on their throat. An example must be made. Destroy the caliphate root and branch and sow the site with salt. The old ways are the best ways.
You want to do it without boots on the ground. I agree. You think trying to nation build with a bunch of Medieval douchebags is stupid. I agree. Nobody kills like a pissed off American.
Sand Creek. Dresden. Hiroshima.
This caliphate is concentrating a bunch of jihadists in one spot. A ripe target. Give every mixed up kid who wants to be a suicide bomber his wish come true. Carpet bomb them.
The old ways are the best ways.
We can do it with minimal risk to our people. No more American Body bags. Worry about our people not these animals.
Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam
Or we can do it Obama's way. With hash tags. Golf games. Fund raising.
How is that working out for us?
Are we going to wait for a dirty bomb in Time Square or a nuke in Tel Aviv?
I agree that there are very few Americans left.
It is a new country with a new populace who want to be politically correct instead of being safe.
They would have surrendered to the Japanese. They would have said why should we worry about the Jews. I mean they say the same thing about the women that are being raped and the Christians being murdered right before our eyes.
Just as Sixty said even 911 was not enough. I blame Bush. He had the moment when he had to do what had to be done. Instead he started this "Islam is not to blame" bullshit.
All of the people who blame Bush are right. If he didn't do what had to be done then and there then there is no way a witless secret Muslim like Obama will do anything.
They might only understand power but they only know of ways of acquiring it for themselves. In fact, they're obsessed with it. Why do you think their economies - apart from those running on mineral wealth - are shit? Because all they think about all day is how to wreak enough destruction to create a society too totalitarian to do anything constructive.
Until they're given no other option but to take responsibility for their own problems, that's never going to change. They're a perpetual blame machine locked in the "on" position and that's a religious/cultural problem, not a not-being-bombed-enough problem.
Japan worshiped America after WWII. Muslims will only seek to show how they are better than others, including America. Islam =/= Shintoism.
And as long as America's always showing how to "fix" their problems that's never going to change.
And ISIS hates Hamas, so attacks on Tel Aviv don't look likely. You need to get your Middle East conflict dramas straightened out. And last I heard they're more concerned with making videos in Iraq than attacking us here. If I'm wrong then show me. We don't need any more trillion dollar wars on the credit card based on excessive fear. Don't take the bait. Let them kill themselves off.
It is a new country with a new populace who want to be politically correct instead of being safe.
Oh for God's sake. Where is the threat?! Beheading journos obsessed with war-zone reporting is not a threat. It's a crime by a non-state actor that doesn't require a trillion dollar war. They are baiting you. Either bleeding the treasury through ransom or war. God forbid they actually attack us. What then? Invent fusion bombs to blow up the planet entirely? I mean, it's going to have to be a lot bigger than the nuclear bomb that you told us was the necessary escalation to a few hostage journos losing their heads. That's the problem with climaxing too early, Troop.
Someone keeps forgetting that these are Americans and Europeans doing the deeds. These are largely Americans and Europeans in the first place. Letting them have their own violent jihad summer camp in Iraq is better than keeping them here, or wasting our time fighting them. What a waste. I heard about fighting Saddam/al Qaeda there so we wouldn't fight them here. In this case, they already left to go there. So now we have to chase them? Fuck that, Iraq's where they ran to, away from us. Keep them there!
Given how much military aid and equipment we've given Saudi Arabia (and the gulf), if they can't/won't do this job then that's the ultimate display of useless policy on two counts.
If I had a vote, I'd vote for Times Square - we have too many Spider Men as is...
Dresden was revenge for the buzz bombing of London.
Look! ISIS just found its own national anthem!
The images, surroundings and lyrics really go together well.
Let's let R&B and Trooper work it out, because in my opinion they're both half right.
R&B, we need be seen as Berserkers, afraid of naught.
Trooper, we need seem as Berserkers, afraid of naught.
Instead, we can't even spank our fricking kids. And we think ourselves worthy of a stand on the world stage... all the little things add up to serious and major repercussions. I have not much hope for us ever getting anything right, anymore.
I hope that drone warfare wins part of the fight. Drones with cameras. That's the sort of bloodlust we need right now.
And I find myself growing to like R&B's views on this conflict in a general way.
Okay I get the logic of this but Muslim nations don't and can't operate in a vacuum. They lack the diversity of economy and the deep intellectual and creative bench. The usual suspects are standing by to game the situation (they're already doing so and have been for some time) for their own geopolitical benefit, prolonging the misery and delaying any cultural reckoning or society-wide realization anticipated by this plan. See e.g., North Korea, large chunks of Africa, slightly smaller chunks of South and Central America. Except Islam will have nuclear weapons, and the crazy mad will to deploy them.
I hope that drone warfare wins part of the fight. Drones with cameras. That's the sort of bloodlust we need right now.
Miniature drones like insects flying all over the place, in swarms, that communicate, locate, assassinate. They'll become paranoid about every tiny thing that moves, swatting themselves incessantly, convinced every insect is a CIA drone, and they're right! Take out a whole army with drone insects.
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