Ryan is toast, but so may well be the NeverTrumpers. Certainly the ones in the House. They came across as the power in the party and that's shot to Hell. What gives with McConnell and the Senate Whigs will be interesting.
I think the deal was Ryan would get out of Trump's way to the nomination and in the election in exchange for going along with Ryan's plan. We know Bannon hated RyanCare and Trump tried to leaven it with some ideas of the Freedom Caucus in the House, but the damage was done.
Now Jordan & Co get their shot, along with Rand Paul in the Senate.
TrumpCare will be. This was, as I say, the bargain.
Ryan couldn't come through. McConnell may have more resources, but he risks losing his Majority Leadership.
Trump will work with Jordan, Paul, and the centrists in the House to pound out a better bill, but, as Surber notes, he seems willing to let IdiotCare collapse and let the Demos take the blame.
The Cheesehead proverb that tells about revenge best being served cold? The one about digging two graves, one for yourself? The one about success being the best revenge? No wait. No wait, no, no. No, no. No, wait. The one that goes, "Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die." That one?
Trump and Pence were 100% on board with Ryan care. Trump threatened to primary anyone who didn't line up. That was all a big fake-out and a lie, according to the blind faithful. *laughs* *He meant to do that!*
..."There is one last thing I want to note to Trump supporters who are perplexed at the fact he supported a bad bill. Trump is in favor of some kind of government-run health care system. Here’s what he told a crowd in Phoenix in 2015."
"We’ve got to get rid of Obamacare. We’ve got to repeal it and replace it with something good.
And we have to take care – and I know this doesn’t sound very conservative – we’ve got to take care of everybody, not just the people up here. We’ve got to take care of everybody. Okay? Get used to it, conservatives. I love you, conservatives. Get used to it. Let’s take care of everybody, please?
Note Trump refers to conservatives as something outside of himself. Why? He's not bloody conservative. That could be his appeal and why he won some cross-over votes from some dems in the upper mid west. Good for us - but don't be fooled. Trump is not conservative.
"Kudos to the House Freedom Caucus for standing up for their beliefs. They won this round. Now do it again, and try to get the 2016 bill re-passed. Or just, you know, get government out of healthcare completely. That’s what I’d prefer, anyway."
Did anybody read what Trump had on his campaign website about Health Insurance? I did.
It seems to have been memory holed since Trump is officially running in 2020, but here is ballotopedia's overview.
On March 2, 2016, Trump released a seven-point plan for healthcare reform, which he described as based on "free market principles." He stated that he would repeal Obamacare, reduce barriers to the interstate sale of health insurance, institute a full tax deduction for insurance premium payments for individuals, make Health Saving Accounts inheritable, require price transparency, block-grant Medicaid to the states, and allow for more overseas drug providers through lowered regulatory barriers. Trump added that enforcing immigration laws could reduce healthcare costs.[6]
President Trumps appeal is that he is not a conservative. He is what the concensus of political thought was thirty years ago. That is why he won.
The union workers and the people that lost their jobs in the key states like Pennsylvania and Ohio didn't vote for him because he was a conservative. They voted for him because he was going to put America first. American jobs. Yes even American health care.
He has repeated said that he wanted a plan that would take care of everyone. That nobody would be thrown out in the street without healthcare. Most of the provisions that he wanted were not in this bill. Still he tried to work with Ryan to pass this as a first step. They should have a plan ready to go after talking about it for so long. They didn't. So they walked away from the deal. They can make another deal. If he makes a deal that some blue state Democrats can buy into so much the better. Trump is not dependent on satisfying the demands of the conservative freedom caucus. They have shown time and again that they are not reliable.
Personally I am very conservative. I am against big government. Against legislation morality through anti-discrimination that devastates religious liberty.
But I recognize that is not President Trumps priority. Or even that it interest him very much. He has appointed a so called conservative to the court. But I have seen that before with Roberts and Souter other people who turn out to not be who they are advertised to be. He is trying to cut taxes and fix Obamacare and secure the border. He has a lot of balls in the air.
I never thought I would get everything I wanted from Trump. I have said that time and again. I just think I would never have got anything from the so called conservatives like Paul Ryan and Ted Cruz and the rest of their ilk. Look at this fiasco. They had the chance to do it. And they blew it. It is what they do.
Now the new healthcare fix will be negotiated. Maybe with part of both political parties signing on to a compromise. Maybe that is better than a straight party line vote. It remains to be seen.
An abject failure? At this point in his administration?
He has loosened the reigns on oil drilling and approved pipelines to lower energy costs.
He is repealing tons of regulations and gutting the EPA.
He appointed a Supreme Court Guy that all the conservatives swear up and down is the next Scalia.
He is trying to fight with the Deep State and avoid a war with Russia and another quagmire in the Middle East. He is giving the Army to green light to blow up the terrorists shit without having to clear it with the lawyers.
The government is a giant ocean liner. Like the Titanic. He is holding on tight to the wheel trying to turn it away from the iceberg. I don't think you can say he is a failure yet.
He should have cut Ryan's head off when he had the chance.
He should have banned CNN from the White House. Their mission is to delegitimize him. He needed to do it to them. Isolate them and make an example of them. Missed opportunity.
He should have fired every Obama appointment from day one and their offices empty. The government will get along just fine without them.
I think he is going to do all of these things eventually. He should have done them right off the bat.
Like I said, failure. Either a failure to understand what he is up against, a failure to understand how things are done in DC or a failure to communicate.
"Boss Paul: That ditch is Boss Kean's ditch. And I told him that dirt in it's your dirt. What's your dirt doin' in his ditch? Luke: I don't know, Boss. Boss Paul: You better get in there and get it out, boy."
And, eventually, Luke's dirt ended up on Boss Kean's lawn, and when Luke was required to remove from the lawn, he put it back into said ditch. When informed that he did the wrong thing, Luke was broken, defeated.
Someone needs to hand Boss Ryan a shovel and tell him to start digging.
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Trump went along with Ryan's plan.
Big mistake.
Repeal O-care. That's all. Just do it. They cannot, for they are cowards.
Ryan is toast, but so may well be the NeverTrumpers. Certainly the ones in the House. They came across as the power in the party and that's shot to Hell. What gives with McConnell and the Senate Whigs will be interesting.
I think the deal was Ryan would get out of Trump's way to the nomination and in the election in exchange for going along with Ryan's plan. We know Bannon hated RyanCare and Trump tried to leaven it with some ideas of the Freedom Caucus in the House, but the damage was done.
Now Jordan & Co get their shot, along with Rand Paul in the Senate.
PS Some very interesting thoughts from (who else?) Surber.
Ryan-McConnell-Trump-Care - not to be.
Thoughts from Klaven.
TrumpCare will be. This was, as I say, the bargain.
Ryan couldn't come through. McConnell may have more resources, but he risks losing his Majority Leadership.
Trump will work with Jordan, Paul, and the centrists in the House to pound out a better bill, but, as Surber notes, he seems willing to let IdiotCare collapse and let the Demos take the blame.
PS Klavan's one of the NeverTrumpers at PJM.
BTW interesting to note that cryptic appearance of Comey at the White House late today.
Another provocative view, off Gateway.
Did Trump set up Ryan?
I like that - one can only hope.
Comey was just stopping by to chat with his boss. Ain't no thang.
Right up until it is.
So Pence and Trump went out and pimped it all for a big show and failure.
Delusional.
I like this idea of holding people accountable when they don't deliver.
I wouldn't go as far as sacking his speakership. But I would sit him in the back of the air force one next time. Some humiliating thing like that ;)
RyanCare failed...so how about repeal?
No delusion.
Deception, possibly, or just the Art of the Deal.
Lem said...
I like this idea of holding people accountable when they don't deliver.
I wouldn't go as far as sacking his speakership.
House membership does that. Trump has just put him in a very uncomfortable position.
Something about the old Cheesehead proverb about revenge.
The Cheesehead proverb that tells about revenge best being served cold? The one about digging two graves, one for yourself? The one about success being the best revenge? No wait. No wait, no, no. No, no. No, wait. The one that goes, "Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die." That one?
Trump and Pence were 100% on board with Ryan care. Trump threatened to primary anyone who didn't line up. That was all a big fake-out and a lie, according to the blind faithful. *laughs* *He meant to do that!*
Why didn’t the GOP try to pass last year’s vetoed health-care bill?
Trump is a NY liberal and Ryan is a big government insider. Trump cannot throw Ryan under the bus without dragging himself along.
Trump is GOPe now.
From link:
..."There is one last thing I want to note to Trump supporters who are perplexed at the fact he supported a bad bill. Trump is in favor of some kind of government-run health care system. Here’s what he told a crowd in Phoenix in 2015."
"We’ve got to get rid of Obamacare. We’ve got to repeal it and replace it with something good.
And we have to take care – and I know this doesn’t sound very conservative – we’ve got to take care of everybody, not just the people up here. We’ve got to take care of everybody. Okay? Get used to it, conservatives. I love you, conservatives. Get used to it. Let’s take care of everybody, please?
Note Trump refers to conservatives as something outside of himself. Why? He's not bloody conservative. That could be his appeal and why he won some cross-over votes from some dems in the upper mid west. Good for us - but don't be fooled. Trump is not conservative.
"Kudos to the House Freedom Caucus for standing up for their beliefs. They won this round. Now do it again, and try to get the 2016 bill re-passed. Or just, you know, get government out of healthcare completely. That’s what I’d prefer, anyway."
agreed.
Did anybody read what Trump had on his campaign website about Health Insurance? I did.
It seems to have been memory holed since Trump is officially running in 2020, but here is ballotopedia's overview.
On March 2, 2016, Trump released a seven-point plan for healthcare reform, which he described as based on "free market principles." He stated that he would repeal Obamacare, reduce barriers to the interstate sale of health insurance, institute a full tax deduction for insurance premium payments for individuals, make Health Saving Accounts inheritable, require price transparency, block-grant Medicaid to the states, and allow for more overseas drug providers through lowered regulatory barriers. Trump added that enforcing immigration laws could reduce healthcare costs.[6]
https://ballotpedia.org/Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign,_2016/Healthcare
As an optimist, I'm hoping that Trump let Ryan screw up so his own ideas can come to fruition.
Any of that end up in RyanCare? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think so.
President Trumps appeal is that he is not a conservative. He is what the concensus of political thought was thirty years ago. That is why he won.
The union workers and the people that lost their jobs in the key states like Pennsylvania and Ohio didn't vote for him because he was a conservative. They voted for him because he was going to put America first. American jobs. Yes even American health care.
He has repeated said that he wanted a plan that would take care of everyone. That nobody would be thrown out in the street without healthcare. Most of the provisions that he wanted were not in this bill. Still he tried to work with Ryan to pass this as a first step. They should have a plan ready to go after talking about it for so long. They didn't. So they walked away from the deal. They can make another deal. If he makes a deal that some blue state Democrats can buy into so much the better. Trump is not dependent on satisfying the demands of the conservative freedom caucus. They have shown time and again that they are not reliable.
"....we've got to take care of everybody..."
Who did Trump inherit that ridiculous idea from? I blame Bismarck! That duplicitous kraut.
Personally I am very conservative. I am against big government. Against legislation morality through anti-discrimination that devastates religious liberty.
But I recognize that is not President Trumps priority. Or even that it interest him very much. He has appointed a so called conservative to the court. But I have seen that before with Roberts and Souter other people who turn out to not be who they are advertised to be. He is trying to cut taxes and fix Obamacare and secure the border. He has a lot of balls in the air.
I never thought I would get everything I wanted from Trump. I have said that time and again. I just think I would never have got anything from the so called conservatives like Paul Ryan and Ted Cruz and the rest of their ilk. Look at this fiasco. They had the chance to do it. And they blew it. It is what they do.
Now the new healthcare fix will be negotiated. Maybe with part of both political parties signing on to a compromise. Maybe that is better than a straight party line vote. It remains to be seen.
So far, Trump is an abject failure. Maybe he will succeed at something in the future, but for now, he is a disappointment.
That said, he is still better than Ms. Blackout Falldown.
An abject failure? At this point in his administration?
He has loosened the reigns on oil drilling and approved pipelines to lower energy costs.
He is repealing tons of regulations and gutting the EPA.
He appointed a Supreme Court Guy that all the conservatives swear up and down is the next Scalia.
He is trying to fight with the Deep State and avoid a war with Russia and another quagmire in the Middle East. He is giving the Army to green light to blow up the terrorists shit without having to clear it with the lawyers.
The government is a giant ocean liner. Like the Titanic. He is holding on tight to the wheel trying to turn it away from the iceberg. I don't think you can say he is a failure yet.
We have to wait a little to see.
Abject failure - he can't get Gorsuch approved, Obamacare is still the law of the land, the wall is still nothing but talk, and he sided with Ryan.
Get back to me when he does what he said he was going to do - wall, repeal Obamacare and a conservative supreme court.
Until then - putz is as putz does.
I will certainly admit that I am disappointed.
I felt he could have been a lot tougher.
He should have cut Ryan's head off when he had the chance.
He should have banned CNN from the White House. Their mission is to delegitimize him. He needed to do it to them. Isolate them and make an example of them. Missed opportunity.
He should have fired every Obama appointment from day one and their offices empty. The government will get along just fine without them.
I think he is going to do all of these things eventually. He should have done them right off the bat.
Like I said, failure. Either a failure to understand what he is up against, a failure to understand how things are done in DC or a failure to communicate.
"Boss Paul: That ditch is Boss Kean's ditch. And I told him that dirt in it's your dirt. What's your dirt doin' in his ditch?
Luke: I don't know, Boss.
Boss Paul: You better get in there and get it out, boy."
And, eventually, Luke's dirt ended up on Boss Kean's lawn, and when Luke was required to remove from the lawn, he put it back into said ditch. When informed that he did the wrong thing, Luke was broken, defeated.
Someone needs to hand Boss Ryan a shovel and tell him to start digging.
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