Wednesday, May 4, 2016

Donald Trump wins

NY Post: Trump still needs about 200 delegates to formally secure the nomination, but Cruz’s decision to end his campaign removed his last major obstacle.
“Ted Cruz — I don’t know if he likes me or he doesn’t like me — but he is one hell of a competitor,” Trump said of his last fierce competitor whom he had dubbed “lyin’ Ted.” Trump, in a victory speech that was much lower-key than usual, promised victory in November, vowing anew to put “America first.”
“I know that the Clinton campaign thinks this campaign is over. They’re wrong,” Sanders said defiantly in an interview Tuesday night. But Clinton already has turned her attention to the general election.
She and Trump now plunge into a six- month battle for the presidency, with the future of America’s immigration laws, health care system and military posture around the world at stake. While Clinton heads into the general election with significant advantages with minority voters and women, Democrats have vowed to not underestimate Trump as his Republican rivals did for too long.

111 comments:

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

Now that Trump has run out of R's to kick, I suspect his campaign will go low energy. He just isn't very smart or clever when it comes to knocking democrats. His heart isn't in it.

AM I too negative? Well - get used to America being over if he hands this to Hillary. Is she wins, our nation will be run why an un-indicted crook.

Michael Haz said...

America can ill afford the self-indulgent preening righteousness of sad conservatives who would rather vote for the Democrat candidate over the (despised) Republican candidate. And writing in some nobody, or leaving the top of the ballot blank is a vote for the Democrat; just as harmful as a vote for Hillary Clinton.

If you want to see what America's economy would look like under eight more years of a Democrat president, look to Venezuela. If you want to see what America's medical system would look like, look to the Great Britain's NHS. If you want to see what Muslim immigration would do to America's cities, look to London and Paris.

All of us don't get our favorite candidate in every election. What we get is a choice between good and evil, or if you see it differently, between bad and worse. But there is a choice, and the choice to make is the candidate who will do the least harm to the constitution and the supreme court; and who is most likely to keep our nation safe from enemies who seek its destruction and subjugation.

The Dude said...

Some people simply hate America and will do whatever they can to destroy it.

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

Haz, no offense, but that argument is stale. At this point, Trump supporters and Trump himself MUST win-over people who do not like him. The ball is in HIS court. He must prove himself. Instead, I predict he will go low energy. His errors and miss-steps will increase. I hope I am wrong, because I am #NeverHillary first.

*you must support the lesser of two evils* after I have been lectured endlessly about McCain and Romney. Yeah - OK.

No amount of per-selected scapegoating will save Trump. Trump must save himself. Those of us who are not infected with blind faith see it.

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

per = pre

Michael Haz said...

Okay April, got it. The NeverTrumpers want flowers and a personal phone call before they'll grudgingly vote for Trump.

People who see clearly don't need to be won over; they want to save the Republic from eight more years of Imperial Socialism, no matter the cost to their own egos.

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

No Haz, We want to see Trump prove himself as a candidate.

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

Now that Trump has run out of R's to clobber and humiliate with lies, will he clobber Hillary? In a way that works?

I doubt it.

Michael Haz said...

So winning a primary that had 16 other candidates isn't "proof of himself as a candidate"? Earning more votes and delegates than any other candidate isn't "proof"?

If your guy was a better candidate, he would have won. He wasn't. His campaign was inept. He missed the opportunity for the same level of free media as Trump had because neither he nor his handlers would respond affirmatively to the DAILY offers of free air time from multiple hosts on FNC, MSNBC, and CNN. He proved himself to be a good candidate, but a lesser candidate that the winner.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

Michael Haz says it perfectly. We don't get our perfect candidate. Sometimes we don't even get to choose....I know...I'm a conservative voting Republican in California. Sulking and crying and even worse ACTIVELY getting Hillary elected because you are all butthurt is childish and destructive.

We, who support Trump now, were appalled when Obama was elected in '08. We warned you and were laughed at, called names like Sarah Palin was, vilified as racists when we disagreed with Obama's mad insane policies. In '12 we were again given the bad choices. Obama was again elected.

WE had to endure 12 years of destruction. Trashing the Constitution, Obamacare shoved down our throats, the economy ruined, purposeful importation of millions of illegals to drive the economy into the tank and to shred the middle class, disastrous foreign policy that cratered the Middle East and has spread death, destruction and Jihad all over the world.

WE were told to shut up. Stop being such racists. Stupid bitter clingers. So we elected people in the House and Senate to stop the madness and guess what? They did NOTHING and many of them are also calling us the same names. They would rather hold on to their own seats than to do what they were elected to do. Represent their constituents, save the country, abide by the Constitution. Let LET Obama continue his reign of terror.

If you care about America at all you will read this paragraph again. All of us don't get our favorite candidate in every election. What we get is a choice between good and evil, or if you see it differently, between bad and worse. But there is a choice, and the choice to make is the candidate who will do the least harm to the constitution and the supreme court; and who is most likely to keep our nation safe from enemies who seek its destruction and subjugation.

If you guys who are the Never Trumpers (yeah, April I'm looking at you) spent half as much time and energy opposing Obama as you do opposing Trump it might have made a difference. But your types did not. In fact, when those, like the Tea Party tried to bring sanity to the occasion, they were derided.

You have a choice. Actually, you have several choices. One is to support the imperfect candidate, Trump, who has the only chance now of upsetting Hillary. The other is to vote for Hillary. Another is to jump on the NeverTrump train and undermine the only possibility we have now of stopping Hillary because you are too immersed in "self-indulgent preening righteousness" and thereby ensure Hillary as much as if you voted for her.

WE had to endure 8 years of Obama and being told that we must eat that shit sandwich.

Suck it up babe. Now it is your turn.

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

Not what I'm getting at, Haz. He IS the winner - I get that. I don't have "a guy".. it's not about that anymore. That's just it, if Trump supporters cannot harangue and harass, they have nothing. I'm telling you, you need more than that to get people who despise Trump to pull the lever for him anyway.

Trump needs to prove himself as the GOP candidate. He has his base, but he must expand his support if he wants to win in November. Can he? Or will he and his supporters use mob-guilt and assume that is all it will take? Your choice. His choice.

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

Insulting me into voting for Trump won't work. Besides, I'm just one vote. Why bother?
Your candidate needs to win-over millions of voters, not just me.

I'm just saying Trump might want to consider wising up to do it.

Michael Haz said...

Barack Obama won a second term because too many Republican voters decided not to vote for Mitt Romney out of some kind of belief that they wouldn't vote for a candidate they did not wholly like.

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

I voted for Mitt.

I am a loyal R-voter.

All I am suggesting is that Trump needs to listen to wise people who tell him to wise up and really win this thing. There is nothing more important than defeating Hillary. right? We do agree on that. Well, stop using shart elbows, scape-goating and guilt to get us to vote for your guy. Inspire your guy to win over hearts and minds.

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

shart = sharp.

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

You have his phone number? I don't want flowers, I want a smart man who says smart things and out-wits the corrutpocrat queen and her media.

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

(& you don't need to remind me that perfection isn't on the menu. I'm fully aware)

Dust Bunny Queen said...

April is expressing her dismay....but the reality is that she is just not listening to Trump or his supporters. Not...listening. Trump may not be the most elegant speaker to walk the campaign trail, but he is telling us what his plans and policies are. You may not like the way he is saying those things, think that his verbal gymnastics don't amount to those of more polished speakers, however his speech is resonating and connecting with the voters. Those voters in an open primary include not just the Republican base but also those from other sections that have heard the message.

If you think that those who support Trump are haranguing and harassing and getting strident...you are probably right. Because for at least 12 long years...yes including Bush's reign, we have been trying to be heard, to be listened to and not ignored and insulted.

Listen to what he is saying. Not how he is saying it. Stop illegal immigration of ALL kinds. Stop the trade imbalances that are bleeding our country dry. Stop currency manipulation intended to weaken our country. Grow the economy. Bring back jobs and manufacturing to the country. Make our military strong and respected again. Stop financing the whole world's defense NATO. Have a sane and strong diplomatic policy. Make America respected again. Protect the First and Second Amendments. Protect the entire Constitution.

These are the important things. Without them the rest of those peripheral issues will not matter because we will not exist as a country.

Those are the main issues he addresses. Yes. Not elegantly. But at least HE is addressing those issues where the other candidates just side stepped or pussy footed around them.

He says those things. Try to listen without your filters.

Michael Haz said...

@April - I not with delight that we have had an intelligent conversation without throwing insults, profanities, obscenities, or other invective at one another. Much appreciated, thanks! I respect your position ans what you write here.

Michael Haz said...

not = note

chickelit said...

"Shart" is a funny typo.

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

DBQ - I hear ya. Again, Trump hit the right note with his stance on immigration. EVEN I was excited at first. wow - a guy who punches thru the BS and says what needs to be said. OK - Good. But now he has work to do. For me, his mud-slinging before the Wisconsin primary turned me off for good. He must win me back. Is that hard considering how much I hate Hillary? Nope.

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

shart pooganda.

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

Haz - Likewise. You're a good man.

AllenS said...

If Trump isn't your perfect candidate, April, then don't vote for him. He's not the only Presidential candidate running for POTUS. There are 1,712 people running for President this year. Here is a list of them. You should be able to find one that you like --

Your link to the perfect candidate


ricpic said...

Let's all vote - whatever our misgivings - to stop the next commie. Okay, April? Okay, bags, if you're out there? And come back, bags, we miss you.

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

Allen S - you are so helpful. Thank you. I'll probably vote for Trump. Unless he totally screws up. He does do that. I watching and listening now.

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

Allen S - I'm voting for the third guy down.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

For me, his mud-slinging before the Wisconsin primary turned me off for good. He must win me back. Is that hard considering how much I hate Hillary? Nope

As I said. Imperfect candidate. The juvenile mud slinging on all sides is a big turn of as well for me. I was face palming during much of the campaigning. Geez guys. It wasn't just Trump either. Cruz really damaged his brand when he decided to try to sling the mud too. None of these guys are perfect. As Haz said we have to chose between a rock and a hard place. Ok. He didn't say that. I did. But you get the point.

The real point is what are we going to do. Get in a snit and allow Hillary (evil incarnate) who we know will be a force of even more destruction become president? Find a way to understand and support what we have now as a candidate? Tear the GOP to shreds because some people are unable to deal with reality.

This is something we all have to remember

“You go to war with the Army you have, not the Army you might want or wish you had at a later time.”

Trump is what we have. Like it or not.

AllenS said...

We all screw up, April. I'd expect Trump to screw up because of the simple fact that he's human. There is not, never has been, never will be the perfect candidate.

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

That said, I will not forget how Trump treated Cruz. A pathetic low point in the history of paperhanging.

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

paperhanging = campaigning

AllenS said...

Now, please step away from the guardrail of the bridge.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

paperhanging = campaigning

LOL...your typos are hilarious and actually really interesting Freudian like this morning.

Paperhanging=passing bad checks.

edutcher said...

AprilApple said...

Now that Trump has run out of R's to kick, I suspect his campaign will go low energy. He just isn't very smart or clever when it comes to knocking democrats. His heart isn't in it.

Sure.

That's why he called Hillary an enabler of a serial rapist. It's why he calls her Crooked Hillary.

Shove it up your ass, sweetie. It's old and it doesn't fly.

And, in case you didn't notice, he had to get through the Rs to get to the D. And he's done more to disarm her already than all the other Rs put together.

BTW, Trump had to win over people just to win, but you'd have to quit bitching because you have some pathological hatred of the man and think, which you seem incapable of doing.

As things stand he has the approval of 56% of Republicans. More than any of the others, I'll wager, so you have 2 choices.

Get on board or come out of the closet for Hillary, the way some of the NeverTrumpers are doing.

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

A$$ Dat Phat will build a wall.

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

Ed- go F yourself.

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

I'm sending ed a Cruz shaped dildo. You'll love it. It's One and True.

edutcher said...

AprilApple said...

That said, I will not forget how Trump treated Cruz. A pathetic low point in the history of paperhanging.

Oh, poor wittle Teddy.

He spent 4 months stealing delegates and pulling dirty tricks. Paying people to spread his propaganda on blogs and talk radio.

He wanted a dirty campaign, he got one, right in his face, but guess what?

Most of it he did to himself.

Besides, I thought you liked Rand or Rubio. That's what you said. Or, again is it just your pathological hatred?

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

No he isn't. He's a troll.

edutcher said...

Haz, I'm getting tired of the nonsense, besides, she's tossed worse at me. I figure I get one freebie.

edutcher said...

All I ever did was state the facts, most of which I linked so people could tell who was blowing smoke and who wasn't.

Trolls don't state facts, they just attack.

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

"If The Donald wanted to give Cruz an Administration job where I think he would really shine, and as a way of a peace offering, it would be Solicitor General. He appears to have been good at it in TX and, and meaning no disrespect, electoral politics does not seem to be his metier."

-- ed, the hypocrite

LOL right. You hate Cruz. You're obsessed with him. In fact, without him you have nothing.

The Dude said...

I heard that bags has found a new gig - he has become a Trump-head. He follows the Trump campaign tour, sets up his booth and sells Mexican flags, sombreros and American flags pre-soaked in gasoline.

He is getting rich, rich I tells ya! From illegal values he knows!

ndspinelli said...

Again folks. Trump won the regular season. His division was weak. He had really only one opponent and he defeated him. The rest were ham n' eggers. It's like the team that wins in a division w/ only one other .500 team. To make this some incredible victory is spin, horseshit, propaganda. Again, he won. Congrats. Regular season is over. Time to put on his big boy pants because the postseason is not for ham n'eggers. That speech Trump gave last night does not bode well. At this point I am voting for Trump ONLY because Rodham MUST be defeated. That's the ONLY reason @ this point. And, as has been mentioned, that has been the scenario in recent decades.

Steg said...

Jeez April way to insult the candidate... at least get... her? name right. I think we can all get behind Dat Phat A$$.

In related news, my whole family in NJ gets to switch to D and vote for Bernie! I'm glad Cruz dropped so we can go mess with their primary.

I don't like the open primary, but it's what we got, so game on.

Maybe I'll start Bernie campaigning... Essex county, NJ- I don't think it will be a hard sell.

Start Bernie chalking... Maybe I'll just start lighting things on fire. Maybe people.

ndspinelli said...

Some of us miss bags. We hope he returns.

edutcher said...

Try to be nice, try to be charitable, and look what it gets you.

I seem to recall other people here also pointed out Cruz had his flaws as a politician.

I tried to make a point about where he would do well in a Trump Administration - in any Administration. It was a job he held successfully in TX for 10 years.

April, you need to calm down.

(better, Haz?)

ndspinelli said...

If you watch the speech last night it was narcissism personified. It was myopic. It was "They spent all this money against me." It was bunker mentality after HE WON. I know you Trumpaholics don't want no bad news. You want us critical thinkers to genuflect. Well, that ain't gonna happen. When I see something good I will say it. When I see lies, spin, ineptitude, I will say that. Critical thinking folks. Many of you are like Democrats, all feelings. And much of that feeling is anger.

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

You guys make let me consider Trump.
Ed makes me #neverTrump.

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

Jeez April way to insult the candidate... at least get... her? name right. I think we can all get behind Dat Phat A$$.

I know, right. It's so confusing. do we support A$$ Dat phat or Dat Phat A$$. ???

The dollar signs are in the right place at least.

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

Ed- stop lecturing me and bugger off. In fact, please ignore me.

Trooper York said...

In 2004 the hated Boston Red Sox defeated the New York Yankees in the playoffs after the Yanks had been leading 3games to none. The Sox came back by winning four in a row to go to the series which they ultimately won. This ended the curse of the Bambino and ended the decades long history of defeat for the Red Sox.

The Red Sox did this by becoming the Yankees. By copying the tactics of the "Evil Empire." Buying bunches of free agents. Spending more money then everyone else especially small market teams that bitched and moaned. You see winning is what counts. Nobody remembers how much money they spent, just that they won.

It is hard to adsorb a shattering defeat like the Yankees suffered in 2004. You want lash out. Attack. Claim that the other guys cheated or that they didn't really earn it. When they did. Fair and square. You have to pick yourself up and even root for the Sox against the dreaded National League. That's the way the game is played.

Just always remember one thing.

Boston sucks.

Trooper York said...

On a happy note the past few days have given me the inspiration for a new series.

Raffy and Lee. They got a whole lot of splaining to do.

Trooper York said...

An interesting sidelight to that seasons is that one of the RedSox heroes Johnny Damon went on to play for the Yankees for a couple of years. That's why Ted Cruz could be part of a Trump administration. That is how the game is played.

Michael Haz said...

Kasich is out. He's making the announcement at 5PM in Columbus. He's cancelled meetings scheduled to be held in DC tomorrow w/his foreign policy advisors.

The Dude said...

Quitter!

Dust Bunny Queen said...

Cruz and Kasich eff up by playing let's make a deal with the voters of the various states. Like playing Monopoly and trading Indiana for Oregon. Trading voters like they are baseball cards. I'll take Indiana and trade you Oregon and Washington. Deal?

The meme that the primaries and delegate selection was already a fixed game. That the insiders could sweep up delegates DESPITE what the votes said was something that most voters were unaware of. This concept, once exposed seems to be patently unfair.

THEN to have Cruz making a backroom deal, publishing it, crowing about it. How smart Cruz and Kasich felt themselves to be. LOL...what a fast one we pull over on da Trumpster. Ha ha ha.

The people were offended. We are not just playing cards or pieces on a board game to be traded and moved around so you can override our votes. This "deal" was a wake up call to the voters that they do not count. That the backroom games that were being played were now in the open....AND the Cruz camp was proud of it.

Backfired.

ndspinelli said...

Who's Kasich? Keeping w/ the sports analogy. my bride and I will be heading to Petco Park. It's Senior Day and we are fucking seniors. BTW, you old fuckers, there are a LOTTA deals for seniors. Back to baseball. The NL West where the Padres play is weak. The leader is just above .500. But, someone will come out of this weak division and play in the postseason. Trump just won the NL West. Listen, he was smart. Do you think he would have gotten in if he saw several heavyweights? Of course not.

The baseball analogy gets more erudite. Back when I was a kid there was the AL and NL. If you were going to win your league you had to be good, real good. No ham n' eggers made the World Series. Our politics are like baseball was a generation ago. The NL[Republicans] and the AL[Dems]. But, do strong candidates emerge from those battles? Baseball diversified into divisions and wild cards. There are more choices. More opportunities. I would like more choices. I know I'm a distinct minority here. You folks love the us v them, lesser of 2 evils. But, out in the real world, people are BEGGING for more choices.

ricpic said...

No more free eats for Kasich. It's over, Johnny.

ndspinelli said...

Like old generals. Some of you are still fighting the last war. This is all fascinating to me.

edutcher said...

Well put, DBQ. Exactly what happened.

Although I will say this:

Rinse has told us Trump is the presumptive nominee.

I'll believe it when

A) the delegate poaching - by anybody - ends

B) Donald Trump stands up in Cleveland and says, "I accept the Republican Party's nomination"

AprilApple said...

Ed- stop lecturing me and bugger off. In fact, please ignore me.

All I did was fill in what you misrepresented.

Michael Haz said...

Kasich is out. He's making the announcement at 5PM in Columbus.

Oh, foo. I was hoping we'd have another month primaries so DBQ could vote in one that meant something.

ndspinelli said...

If you watch the speech last night it was narcissism personified. It was myopic. It was "They spent all this money against me." It was bunker mentality after HE WON

He was charging them up for the fight against Hillary which many people say he can't win.

16 people threw their worst at me and I still stand. Now let's get to the main event.

Standard campaign boilerplate.

edutcher said...

Good Surber piece on the road ahead.

ndspinelli said...

I see Captain Queeg is still looking for those strawberries.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

Like old generals. Some of you are still fighting the last war. This is all fascinating to me.

Nope. Just trying to 'splain to the crushed Cruz supporters what happened. The let's make a deal 'deal' was the coup de grace to Cruz and Kasich. Had they not done this deal or made it a zillion times worse by crowing about it and pushing it into the faces of the voters, Cruz might have taken many of the Indiana delegate count and would have been able to continue on.

The effed up by being just too too smart and ticking off the already irritated voters.

One misstep and wham off the cliff like Wiley Coyote. Woosh.

ndspinelli said...

The great John Wooden never spent time discussing the opponent. He didn't scout his opponent. He focused EVERYTHING on his team and doing their best. Even someone w/ a much different temperament like Bobby Knight did the same. I hope Knight passed some of his wisdom to your guy. I'm afraid it was just all glad handing. I don't like Knight but I respect his skills. His demons did him in. Just sayn'.

Then there are the coaches who obsess on their opponent. They have a paranoia that opponents, officials, even their own team is plotting against them. A real bunker mentality. They will win some, but they always implode. One ended up dead on a Christmas morning, a drunk passenger of a drunk driver, dead @ age 61.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

The great John Wooden never spent time discussing the opponent. He didn't scout his opponent. He focused EVERYTHING on his team and doing their best

Oh Bullshite. I don't know about this Wooden guy or who he is, but any manager worth his salt not only scouts the opponent to determine what their strengths and weaknesses are, how they play the game, what to expect........ he also spends a lot of time on a post game analysis.

After the win or loss..... What did we do right? What did they do wrong? How can we not repeat their mistakes. If you don't pay attention to the details you are going to keep repeating the same mistakes.

If you want to continue to put your head in a dark dank place, that is your choice.

ndspinelli said...

I do agree the weasel dealings of Cruz did turn off many voter. I hated it.

ndspinelli said...

Wooden was arguably the greatest basketball coach ever. He is an extreme. He is the antithesis of the coaches that obsess about their opponents. He was used to show a contrast from what I'm seeing in Trump and some here.

It is important to learn from other successful people and adopt what fits your mentality and skills. I operated my own successful business for 30 years. Some of my "competition" would obsess on me. They would bad mouth me, try and schmooze me, try and hack my computer, try and learn my surveillance techniques, all kinds of shit. I never spent 1 minute thinking about them. I didn't even know most of their names. I focused on my game. My TRUE opponent was the person I was investigating. I spent all my efforts doing the best work I could and did not concern myself w/ the other PI's. Most of them didn't last. I flourished.

ndspinelli said...

Regarding the post game analysis. ABSOLUTELY. You always critically analyze how you played. You do that quietly. I don't see that from your guy. He was mostly thumping his chest and sorta whining last night. That's what I saw. Smart people pay me good money to analyze people and situations.

The Dude said...

In business we all face competition. I try to learn what mine is doing and do something different. But if I obsess and focus on them, then they are living rent free in my head and that is detrimental to my own creative process.

Wooden might have been okay back in what, the late 1800s, whenever he was around, you know, learning the game from Dr. Naismith and all, but Coach Krzyzewski is the most successful coach ever - scoreboard, bitches!

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

Ben Sasse says no.

It's worth reading the whole thing. Rather than jumping all over him and calling him a traitor, I think Trump and his supporters should try to understand how important it is at this stage, to try and change people's minds. (or not - whatevs)

This popped out a ways down...

"...I mention this distinction because I see Trumpers already grasping for scapegoats, as nationalists always do, for why he’s polling so badly against Hillary and settling on the theory that #NeverTrumpers are sinking him."

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

& more...

"Why #NeverTrumpers should be blamed for Trumpers nominating a guy whose favorable rating is in the toilet isn’t clear to me, but it’s beside the point. The point is that true #NeverTrumpers like Sasse are a rounding error in a number as large as the general electorate. Trump will have an opportunity to unite the party by winning over #SkepticalOfTrump. If he fails, that’s on him — especially if he’s going around telling reporters he doesn’t want or need every Republican to support him. If you’re going to kiss off opponents rather than try to win them over, don’t blame them later when they don’t show up."

edutcher said...

I'll say this and, even though nd and April will deny it to their dying breath, it still applies.

Whether it was Roe's doing or not, declaring war on the Trump supporters was a fool's errand. Early on, it was obvious the Reagan Democrats were coming out for Trump - in considerable numbers. He's getting better black support than any other R candidate has gotten in decades. He may even get better Hispanic support - that one's still in the air.

Sure, Trump will need every Cruz supporter in touch with reality, but Cruz needed the Trump supporters a lot more because he was barely getting Republican support, let alone Democrat crossovers. but it's clear all the abuse thrown at Trump supporters from bloggers, radio talkers, and trolls was bought and paid for. So, you want a war, you get a war.

Trump gave as good as he got and he won. Those who want to hold a grudge will stay home or vote Libertarian, as the Last Refuge piece says. The ones who were always NeverHillary, whatever they were before, will realize that's the goal here.

edutcher said...

AprilApple said...

Ben Sasse says no.

Ben Sasse doesn't know what he's talking about.

...I mention this distinction because I see Trumpers already grasping for scapegoats, as nationalists always do, for why he’s polling so badly against Hillary and settling on the theory that #NeverTrumpers are sinking him.

Gee, then why do both Rasmussen and NBC both have him beating Hillary one on one?

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

No ed- YOU don't know what you are talking about. You're the web-embodiment of a headache.
You also have no clue that your twaddle only works against you and your blind faith cause.

ndspinelli said...

Sixty, I have enormous respect for Coach K. But id we are going to do the "scoreboard"[are you a Jim Rome fan?] then the score is:

Wooden: 10 National Championships

Coach K: 4 National Championships

There are many similarities between these 2 great coaches. K is in the Wooden, Knight[as you know K's coach @ Army..saw them coach/play when I was in college] school of focusing on your game. K is much more Wooden like in demeanor than he is his old coach. The way Knight jealously shunned K was a glimpse into his tormented psyche. You can tell Knight grew up sans father like you can tell Obama did.

When I did learn about what my competition was doing was when they fucked up a case and an attorney hired me to try and fix it. Many of these ham n' eggers charged much less or less than I do and so some cheapskate attorneys or insurance companies would hire them to do surveillance. They would piss on both leges, get burned, and then I would be hired. Some clients were ashamed to tell me they hired someone who fucked up. Some were up front. They would give me their reports, video, etc. But, others would hire me and try to not tell me they hired a bozo who got burned. This was stupid and also dangerous. I need to know if this shitbird I'm going to watch is hinky. I've been shot at by shitbirds.

What I do is a craft. Even though I deal w/ white collar people I have always seen myself as a blue collar craftsman. A mason, like some of my Italian family. What you do is art. I could see how you would not want to have some other person's vision distort yours.

Methadras said...

Well, now we'll see if Trump can push past HRC automatic 240 electoral votes. Now we will see if his primary enthusiasm will carry him over with the electorate. Now we will see if he shifts his tone. Now we will see if he has what it takes to be president. Kudo's to him and I hope he wasn't as damaged as I thought he might be. Now we will see if he starts eviscerating HRC like I've hoped for.

ndspinelli said...

I am critically analyzing myself. I need to stop calling Trump "your guy." It is truly difficult for me, no shit, but he is OUR guy. But, I will not be a Trumpaholic. I will criticize. I want the asshole to win. You all do realize, hopefully, that while the MSM was against Trump in the regular season they weren't for anyone. Fuck, they hate all Republicans. He will now face a MSM w/ missionary zeal. The MSM does not hold the power they did before the interweb became mainstream. But, they still are powerful. Not w/ you or I, but w/ many.

Methadras said...

AprilApple said...

Insulting me into voting for Trump won't work. Besides, I'm just one vote. Why bother?


Because there were 537 votes in Florida that put Bush over the top against Gore. You're vote counts. Don't say it doesn't. You are just one vote, but it's still an important one.

Methadras said...

Look, the bottom line is to make sure that Hillary loses and in a big way. That she is utterly denied, once and for all, her place in any more American history. That I pray to God that if she loses, that she is finally prosecuted for her crimes. I pray that she will lose and become forgotten. Her and her entire retinue, may they all rot in hell. That will be my goal to help ensure. There really is no other option at this point. I pray that she dies after the DNC convention. I really do because she is an utterly cretinous despicable excuse for a human being.

Methadras said...

AprilApple said...

shart pooganda.


I'm stealing this as m new cuss phrase for people.

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

Meth -- Shart prooganda is it's way to the urban slang dik-sean-airy.

edutcher said...

Meth, I don't think he was that damaged, not as damaged as others or as Hillary will be.

She will have to fight the Feel The Bern crowd at the convention.

Inga said...

Steg,
Don't get too giddy about messing with the Democrat primary by voting for Bernie. Bernie wins with even bigger margins over Trump in every poll than Hillary does. If you want Bernie to win the Presidency, then yeah for you.

Trooper York said...

What often happens in sports is that a paticular style of play wins and then everyone copies it. The West Coast offense gets San Fransisco a couple of Championships and everyone copies it. The hard nose defense and constant fouling of the Detroit Pistons leads to teams copying them to try to win with less talent but more heart. The wishbone. The fast break. Hell even the forward pass.

Once that happens everybody copies that. There is a method to their madness. You see if they do the same thing as everyone else nobody can really criticize them. Throw it in to the point guard...walk it up the floor...post up ...play the pick and roll. Doesn't work for you? Well you just don't have the talent. You can't fire us because we don't have the talent.

That is what the Republicans have done since Ronald Reagan. They have slavishly followed his play book. Or rather the parts they like. The Bushes changed it up to make it establishment friendly. So what do they want to do? Extensive foreign entanglements. Free trade regardless of the effect on American manufacturing and jobs. Tax cuts. Surrendering to political correctness by apologizing for every little thing that offends the social justice warriors and the media. When they try to push what they claim is essential and basic to their program they fail every time. They tell us they don't have the talent. They don't have the votes. They have the House but not the Senate. They have the House and the Senate but they don't have the President. There is nothing you can do. You can't fire them. They are doing what everyone else does. They are following the play book.

Donald Trump is changing the playbook. He is not running the same old election that losers like McCain and Romney did where they paid lip service to Reagan's ideas but really wanted to secure the goals of the duopoly and the donor class that control both sides of the isle.

Trump is running a up/down election not a left/right election. On some issues he is on what are considered right wing mantras such as stopping illegal immigration and ending lousy trade deals. On other issues he is what is considered left wing like ending the endless wars to protect Saudi oil interests and nation building in the Middle East. He is putting America first. American interests. Selfish interests. He is not going to kowtow to social justice warriors. He is also not going to kowtow to social conservatives like me. He is going to reach out to the vast majority of people who want a common sense approach. A messy confused case by case common sense approach that your cab driver or bartender or iron worker might come up with. Not the fancy pants bow tie wearing poofters or coco sipping pajama boys.

Trump is far from prefect. As far as you can get from it thats for sure. But he has accomplished a lot of stuff in his life. He has ran businesses. He has had big wins. Big losses. Bankruptcies. Triumphs. He is not the be all or the end all. But he is not a corrupt politician or sleazy lawyer. He is something different.

Let's try the forward pass. It might be the new thing.

The Dude said...

That TWA plane was a Fokker.

edutcher said...

It certainly was.

Trooper York said...

On other issues he is what is considered left wing like ending the endless wars to protect Saudi oil interests and nation building in the Middle East.

With Smart Diplomacy, the endless wars to protect Saudi oil interests and nation building in the Middle East have become Left-wing.

Sessions is creating a let's-pick-our-fights-a-little-more-carefully, non-interventionist policy.

But the gist is correct. A lot of the interviews coming from the Demos and the Left say Trump's unpredictability scares the Hell out of them.

The Dude said...

And as my bother always used to say, some of those Fokkers were Messerschmitts!

But seriously folks, the Me 262 was a beautiful plane, glad I got to see one at the Smithsonian.

I have a friend who went to DC - told her she had to go the museum that is named after her? What, she said, there's a museum named after me? Sure, you know, the Erin Space Museum.

Steg said...

I don't want Bernie. I can't help but enjoy casting a vote against H. I have been warned by family members of this, too- I think Trump will just crush either of them in a debate.

He fights, and lands hits. When he has to he will take them down. I think Ed and Trooper's (and everyone's) arguments have been very solid. So have the anti-trump vectors, for the most part. To me it seems like the reasons against trump are solid bricks and the reasons for him are cast iron ingots. When the two collide, the bricks don't match up.

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

Re: Sasse - a real young conservative. The future. (to Trump - a pile of trash)
The right answer is - Trump should try and win him over. Instead it's - FU Sasse, don't need ya.

Good luck with that.

Trooper York said...

You know who Ben Sasse is April?

Doug Neidermeyer.

I am not all that worried about not having him on my side. Just sayn'

Trooper York said...

John Blutarsky got elected without his help.

And he got the sexy girl at the end.

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

@ Troop Not the fancy pants bow tie wearing poofters or coco sipping pajama boys.
poofters!

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

I'm just using him as an example. He's firmly #neverTrump.

edutcher said...

Sasse, like a lot of the Cruz crowd (paid or not), projects his own issues onto the Trump people (I've been saying this for a long time).

And Ben Shapiro, another rising young Conservative, quit his job at Breitbart because they wouldn't back up Michelle Fields.

Look how smart he was.

And I'll say it again, the Cruz people who understand Hillary is the enemy are going to come around, those that haven't already - they won't need Donald Trump to beg them.

The rest were going to stay home anyway when they didn't get their way.

Sasse wants to fight the Battle of Colorado all the way to November, that's on him. The rest of us want to beat Hillary.

It's a simple choice.

Trooper York said...

This is an up/down election. Not a left/right one. The paradigm has shifted. There is a new coalition building. A populist not a conservative one.

The conservatives can come on board to influence it. To offer legislation that will be considered in the light of whether or not it is in America's interests. Not the Saudi's interests. Not the duopoly interests. Not the K Street lobbyist interests.

Or they can stay home and play the prima donna. It is up to them.

Trooper York said...

Ben Sasse is a freshmen Senator who stood up in the Senate and is telling all the millions of people who voted for Trump to sit down and shut up and listen to the true conservative gospel or he will stamp his feet and stay home. We'll be sorry! You'll see! You'll miss me! So what if I don't get to go to the prom!

Don't you think there is something wrong with this picture. Don't you think that maybe...just maybe the freshman Senator is the one who should sit down and shut up. I mean I though he loved tradition.

Look even that slippery neocon crap weasel William Kristol is backing off and said "Well never is not always never." He will be sleazing around soon trying to get us to commit to invading Whofuckastan because the Russians want to take it over or something.

edutcher said...

See, that's it. You can't influence if you're not in.

Cutting off your nose to spite your face (an honored tradition in The Blonde's family) rarely turns out well.

Michael Haz said...

Interesting article in Commonweal about the GOP missing what was going on in flyover country.

Here.

Trooper York said...

Here is a great part of the article that Haz linked to. It is about the David Brooks OP Ed where he said he was going to step out his bubble and talk to everyday Americans:

"Most of all, though, what's so striking about Brooks's column is that he never reflects on the policies that have led us to this place. There is no reconsideration of "free trade," no pondering our Forever War in the Middle East, no questioning what kind of healthcare system might reduce the risk of financial catastrophe for downscale Americans. Brooks talks about needing a "new national story," but that will do precisely nothing to help those who are hurting and whose prospects have been most damaged by the economic trends of the last few decades. Brooks also claims we "need to rebuild the sense that we’re all in this together." But why just the "sense" that this is the case? Why not have public policy reflect that we actually are all in this together?

In this, Brooks is like so many other #NeverTrump conservatives. They have joked about the size of Trump's hands, laughed at his spray tan, and indulged a series of fantasies about how he might be stopped ("Rubio's third place finish actually was a smashing victory!" "Trump has a ceiling of 28 percent!"). What Brooks and his fellow conservatives have not done is reconsider how their ideology and policy agenda have helped deliver us to this moment, or ask themselves how they might improve the material circumstances of those who have now turned to Trump. All the understanding Brooks can muster will prove meaningless if these deeper questions of policy are ignored."

Trooper York said...

I wonder if Brooks and George Will and all the rest of the bow tied wearing poofters will go on Safari to Pittsburgh or Akron. Will they need native bearers? Will Ben Carson have to walk behind them carrying all their stuff in a big basket on top of his head like they used to do in "Jungle Jim?"

Trooper York said...

If the Crack Emcee were alive he would say that is racist.

ricpic said...

"...the Erin Space Museum."

It took a couple of minutes before the nickel dropped...but I got it! See, I was overthinking it...was Sixty alluding to the big space in Erin?, my filthy mind pondered. And then it clicked. That's a big boast as you get older...that you're keeping up...well, tagging along anyway.

ricpic said...

Speaking of keeping up...there's an interview with Woody Allen that's linked at Drudge which is....interesting. Just put away your immediate hands thrown in the air response and read it...or not. Interesting on the personal level, not his stupid knee-jerk leftism.

The Dude said...

I skimmed a bit of the Woody Allen interview, and while I found him amusing 50+ years ago, he is just a bit too odd for me. I don't get out much, either, and I like to work, but I am not big on dating family members. I know, kick me out of the Southern tribe, but that's just the way it is.

And, Mr. Pic, I dare say I am older than you, so hang in there. Erin used to date a guy named Wayne. He was as taciturn as she is bubbly. Anyway, one day I said to her "You know, it's his world, we just live in it".

And that's all the news that's fit to prince.

Methadras said...

Trooper York said...

If the Crack Emcee were alive he would say that is racist.


Is Crack really dead? His blog is still around and with modern updates or is this a goof?

Trooper York said...

It's a goof. Just a meme that I have been doing for a few years. No harm no foul.

I wish Crack well.

ndspinelli said...

I thought this was a Reality TV, Big Mac, class election. Now it's up/down. Tomorrow Jets v Sharks? With all these changing narratives I'm thinking it's the Heisenberg blue crystal meth election. The Trumpaholics are ramblin', just like Trump. Some do have his cocky swagger. That comes naturally to a few. If our guy is going to beat Rodham he better get into shape. He's softer than his James Carville here. Literally and figuratively.

ndspinelli said...

I also read the Woody Allen interview. He actually had nice words about Trump.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

Lol Brooks. "Let's come together in a big national vision of how policy just doesn't matter!"