The clip is a useful tool for those of us with enough brain cells to remember the event.
A big deal out of nothing? The video canard was used to reelect President Obama. Full Stop.
The reminder is not going to save us from the ministrations of those now queuing up behind Ms Clinton. Clinton is a foregone conclusion. Lying wins.
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It sure would be nice if the DEMOCRAT MEDIA INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX would be as intellectually curious about Clinton's lies.
Breaking news: politics is a game. People will do just about anything to win. I mean look at Kevin Spacey. He pushed a woman in front of a subway car. It's a dirty, dirty business.
The entire political game is a nest of rent seekers; PACs, lobbyists, the media, think tanks, the armed forces, the intel services...it is a vast web of transactions.
The Hell it does.
Vote fraud got His Poutiness back in.
Besides, people get sick of being lied to.
And they've been lying about Hillary a long time.
BTW if it did, we'd be talking about the Administrations of Presidents Humphrey, McGovern, Mondale, Living Redwood, and Lurch.
It stopped just as Jewelyonnie, Geiolioni, Guillioni the NYC mayor guy became interesting, "The amazing thing is..." boink, he's gone.
We get to hear the Democrats all lying out their faces again, insulting our intelligence again, promoting themselves again but we do not get to hear the guest tell us what is amazing.
He was going to say Stevens did not have access to the Hillary's private server, the one she was doing State business on along with Clinton Foundation business on and Clinton family business on and monkey business and none of your f'k'n business on.
Because all her enemies are Republicans.
Sorry Deborah. Lies are lies.
Saying "they all do it" doesn't work. If an R had told that very same lie - we'd have Watergate all over again.
You miss my point, April. This is way beyond Clinton lying.
deborah said...
You miss my point, April. This is way beyond Clinton lying.
I agree if you mean that people don't mind being lied to and actually expect it. They just want to vote for the most convincing liar. That's the point of my cynicism tag.
What I was hoping for was a sea change in campaigning. Administrations and candidates used to get away with this when they still controlled the narrative. That they still do control the narrative and get away with bald-faced lies which are so easily countered by YouTube videos is frankly, astonishing.
Deborah, it's almost like you're saying "duh, what was at stake was totally worth being lied to over. Get over it." That's what I hear.
One thing is certain -- if a Republican is elected...any Republican -- reporters and networks will suddenly perk up and start doing their jobs again. If Rodham is elected (and I'm now convinced that Dems will only nominate only her), they will go back to sleep as they did for Obama. And they will somehow thrive doing so. Who is going to cross the first female President? If it's another woman challenging Hillary, she'll be ostracized -- if it's a man crossing her, he'll never get laid in D.C. ever.
It also seems abundantly clear to me that the Clintons successfully ran out the clock on all of this. She has a clean slate now...she jettisoned all her baggage...all because people want to forget...
chickelit said...
One thing is certain -- if a Republican is elected...any Republican -- reporters and networks will suddenly perk up and start doing their jobs again.
What else is new? Contrast Nixon's administration with Kennedy, Reagan with Bucketmouth.
If Rodham is elected (and I'm now convinced that Dems will only nominate only her
Forget O'Malley and Bernie would have to be able to take advantage of a thermonuclear revelation courtesy of the Choom Gang.
Which, of course, is entirely possible.
deborah said...
Breaking news: politics is a game.
Somebody (John Lyly?) wrote that "all is fair in love and war;" that has been amended to "All is fair in love, war, and politics."
Everyone does it is simply a lie. The EDI lie.
If you don't like that people do bad things like lie to you, then we need to stop excusing it as "everyone does it" (EDI). You know that everyone actually does not lie about serious things, and definitely not as a nearly unbroken personal style, as some do. EDI is only an excuse for weakness in some so they can do likewise or laziness in others who don't want to do the hard, uncomfortable, and often unpopular work of enforcing standards.
Most corruption - and a lot of evil - gets perpetrated by weak people buying into "everyone does it". Tax cheating, relationship cheating, frauds of all kinds like dishonest advertising, and calling yourself an indian, etc, etc. Buying into the EDI lie lets you avoid the hard work of questioning, and choosing between good and evil. It lets you support what you want to, rather than what you should. The EDI lie is the gateway lie to all the rest. You can't do much about any of it until you let go of that underlying foundational lie.
I find myself doing it too, and I know I'm just being lazy or making an excuse so I can do something I shouldn't.
A lot of people are untrustworthy, sure, but not everyone, and don't we want the exceptional ones pointed out, hired, elected, or married to us, and the lying cheating, corrupt assholes sent packing? Don't we? It starts by calling them out and withdrawing your support from them.
But, you know what every single Hillary voter will say to themselves "everyone does it. (EDI), and they will tell others that in order to cover their own embarrassment.
Every Hillary voter will also smear any good person who runs against her, because you have to make people thing that "everyone does it."
Watergate wouldn't last a 24 news cycle if a Democrat did it today. Nobody died, or was even hurt. The biggest violation was simple dishonesty, and I think Nixon paid the appropriate price, partly because he eventually chose to be honorable about it. Nobody would ever step down for that today. Can you imagine Obama or a Clinton resigning over anything, let alone simple lying and cover up. Think about what the President of the United States resigned over back then, and look at what things are routinely ignored or excused today. We have fallen a long way.
"Deborah, it's almost like you're saying "duh, what was at stake was totally worth being lied to over. Get over it." That's what I hear."
Respectfully, that comes across as confirmation bias to me. Re-read my two fifty and three seventeen.
I agree about the press being harder on any Republican elected, but that's just part of the GAME. The press today is told what to say by their masters, i.e., the oligarchs. Whichever party wins this time, there will be a neoliberal administration, just like the last several.
Nobody has to tell most reporters or other media hacks what to say. 90% percent vote for the Democrat, regardless of who it is, and nobody has to pay them to. There is plenty of right wing money, so if the press was able to be bought to any significant degree, it would be a lot more even-handed. They are true believers - and consequently mostly useless at their primary purpose. At least they get a lot better when a Republican is in office. The last thing we need is another congenital liar being policed by a press that overwhelmingly thinks that's OK if they are the right party.
Get a better Press - Vote Republican.
The proof is that very few media outlets reported that the hearings proved undeniably that Hillary lied over and over about serious events to the American people, exposed the State Department and human assets to unprecedented intelligence leaks,and that she knowingly covered it up. Her incompetence, and dishonesty was proven beyond any doubt, and most of the Press decided to make it about mean Republicans and her success in not being hauled away by the police as if it was some kind of proof of her worthiness for office. I guess to many it actually is.
The press is already in full Watergate mode on Trump. You got 6 six reporters looking into "Tweetgate", you got other reporters pouring over every Trump statement trying to find a lie and half-truth. Others, are looking into Trump hiring illegals.
The reporters are NEVER going to do that with a Democrat president because as Chick said, they are ALL Democrats. Stephanopolos was Bill Clinton's former Fucking Press Secretary. Other MSM reporters are married to Democrat party operatives or are married to them. That's just the on-camera people.
Deb-House of Cards is a hack show. Has little to do with our system of politics. I was going to say government. That, too. I recognize some of the personalities, though. This last season was ridonculous, the idea President Spacey came up with to run on (facepalm) and also the notion that a Dem president would be vetted by the press. ROFALOL. And then cry. ROFLOLATC.
Spacey's great, though. Very watchable. Needs a better vehicle.
"her success in not being hauled away by the police as if it was some kind of proof of her worthiness for office. I guess to many it actually is."
It could be argued she knows how the system works and would be well-suited to handle world leaders. Trump and Carson are neophytes.
I'm truly surprised Bush isn't doing better...being railroaded by the press or just doesn't have 'it'?
lol it was a joke Amartel, that show jumps the shark so bad. But it's so damn fun. Robin Wright is so lovely, like a statue come to life.
deborah said...
It could be argued she knows how the system works and would be well-suited to handle world leaders. Trump and Carson are neophytes.
You could argue that, but I think you'd be wrong. Libya and Syria are a mess, largely due to her stewardship or to a President whom she served and whose policies she fully intends to continue.
BTW, I thing bags destroyed your Clinton apologia.
Excellent, Bagoh.
If Americans had morals, and if they were capable of thinking beyond the media snow-job, support for Clinton would be so embarrassing, it would evaporate.
Spacey should have pushed Robin Wright in front of that train.
"It could be argued she knows how the system works and would be well-suited to handle world leaders. Trump and Carson are neophytes. "
By that standard, Bernie Madoff would make the best financial advisor. I agree about Carson being a neophyte, but he is at least, in my opinion, an honorable and honest man. Maybe we should try one of those for a change. Trump has extensive experience with international leaders, and not just sucking up to them and being played by them. He know how to negotiate without losing everything.
"BTW, I thing bags destroyed your Clinton apologia."
I don't like to be pigeon-holed or labeled. What bago said was fine, but we all know the jig is up. The average American voter doesn't pay attention till right before the election. The very narrow swathe of swing voters will make the decision. We are a nation of blog-chatting, tv watching so-and-sos.
What may do her in is a lot of negative ads with the cackle and saying she had Indian food and drank beer after the hearings. It's almost a dare, my god she had to know that sounded bad.
Now I think about it, a Carson-Clinton debate could be very, very interesting. It would maybe be the equivalent of Carson at the prayer breakfast...
Franklin said, 'a republic madam, if we can keep it.'
Madoff? Too easy. Trump is a businessman, all he would have ever done with a world leader is suck up. Has he actually interacted with any on a business footing?
Chick, as far as Libya and Syria, that seems to be our general international policy, destabilization. When Bush went into Iraq and weakened her, he destroyed the Iran-Iraq dynamic of keeping each other in line. Shia eastern Iraq is now a 'satellite' of Iran.
When Putin pulled Obama's bacon out of the fire re the red line, I think Obama was incredibly relieved. Others in our government, not so much.
Madoff would be perfect in a Hillary administration.
What ever happened to all that Madoff money? Did he contribute to the Clinton slush fund too? No better place to disappear some big bags of cash.
Choosing between people who made a fortune outside of government and now want in versus one who made her millions in government and wants more.
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