As for Carson, yeah she managed to never talk with Carson again after she embarrassed him by doing her own show. but it was Joan's husband who screwed everything up… It is funny how a no talent spouse can spoil things.
A lot of what Bushkin says generally about Carson has the ring of truth for anybody who followed the show through the years, but the Rosenberg thing essentially who you want to believe.
DBQ, that is a given since it is CNN and Joan had the temerity to call Obama gay and Michelle a trannie (which is funny, but obviously intended to create a controversy).
Joan Rivers said that Elizabeth Taylor was once in such a hurry to eat that she got herself stuck in between the golden arches and they couldn't get her out until they greased her hips and held a Twinkie in front of her.
Well, she's right and she's smarter than the bobblehead who's interviewing her so why leave? Kind of wussed out by huffing off IMAO. Stay, and set that nitwit's head on fire. It'd be entertaining. Joan's not that funny but she is entertaining and she writes her own jokes and she ignored stupid union writer demands and she's survived in the entertainment biz for decades. I gotta respect that.
It depends a bit on what was agreed to before the interview, but everything the interviewer brought up, even if not voiced as an accusation, was definitely "Defend yourself against this... Okay, now defend yourself against that... defend yourself against this other thing... Defend that you wore fur just to piss people off on purpose...
So many of us are conditioned to be nice, to endure the little jibes because any single one of them isn't worth blowing up over. When I'm 80 I'll probably finally figure out what is going on and stop putting up with it too.
Chip S. that's assuming that the interview was supposed to be an attack interview.
Like those reporters getting a briefing from Gen. Honore who was trying to get information out that people really needed to have and the reporters all wanted answers to tough questions about Katrina... and all the citizens needing to prepare for the next hurricane could just go swimming for all they cared.
The interviewers job isn't to ask "tough questions" and grill whoever it is who is on a happy "promote my book" tour in order to provide light entertaining filler for the network.
What I mean is... there are situations where THE INTERVIEWER AND GUEST ARE ON THE SAME SIDE.
Fluff entertainment interviews. Introducing a candidate and what they stand for in lengthy casual interviews. and Preparation for National Disaster interviews.
Daisy was in the news for two reasons this week: 1) calling the First Lady a tranny, and 2) being the object of PETA protests for the picture on the cover of her new book.
She got off very easily by only being asked for her response to the latter. If those little puffball questions came as a surprise to her, then she should fire her publicist right away.
That third rate turd interviewing Joanie is a nothing, an absolute nothing, but she has the right look and the right skin tint and that makes her NOBLE AND GOOD. Just ask Schmendrik, he'll tell you so in his ineffably empty way. Tell 'em to go eff themselves and their arrogant stupidity, Joanie. Because what's left? The stupid vicious Schmendriks have WON.
Political interviews should be in one of two categories... investigative... where the interviewer's goal is to find out as much about the politician's ideas as possible in order for voters to be informed. "What do this person's potential supporters need to know? (The co-operative *job interview* version.) And interrogative... where the politician needs to answer for decisions, performance or consequences and face those "hard questions" of what they're up to in office.
I'm talking about your assumption that a fluff entertainment interview is supposed to have *tough* questions.
No doubt Joan thought she had a *contract* verbal or otherwise, on what the nature of the interview was going to be and the interviewer violated it. Some interviews are *appropriately* partnerships and not inquisitions.
In the scroll feed on the bottom of the screen it says "Rivers talks about her role on Fashion Police" So that is what she thought the interview was going to be about. That and promoting her book.
The talking head asked a few questions about the Fashion stuff, but phrased in a way that was confrontational and to the gist of....what a big meanie you are Joan and how you hurt people's feelings. Then she tried to make a deal about wearing furs. Joan could see that the interview was going to be just more of the same accusatory types of questions and NOT about her promoting her book.
I would assume that had she know that this would be the not case, a pleasant and fun interview about her book and would instead be turned into a trial, she would not have gone on the interview.
Bait and switch.
While I don't find Joan Rivers funny and I don't appreciate her humor, which does seem to have a mean edge to it.....I agree with her refusal to be grilled by some no talent info babe. She doesn't have to put up with that. Also....If Joan wants to wear furs, that is her decision.
If you think "What do you say to your critics?" is a mean question, I don't know what more to say.
Personally, I think she should've been asked if her husband killed himself bc. he couldn't stand her duck face. I mean, humor is how people get over tragedies, right?
Her husband probably killed himself because "Hey Melvin (or Herb or Irving or whatever his name was) that's all you could manage for us, a five thousand square foot home in Beverly Hills when Cher's is ten thousand square feet?"
I don't care for Rivers at all, either entertainment or life, though she can be funny. But she is old enough to not have to put up with the shit that interviewer was slinging, she was right, and I don't blame her a bit for walking off. Good for her.
She said, right before launching into the leather shoes, "This whole interview is becoming a defensive interview." Followed by, "All you've done is negative." And she was right.
With eighty-one years of reading people under her leather belt and a ton of practice listening to laughter, she caught the tone and intent; and apparently wasn't fooled by the faux laughter and smarminess being dished along with the questions.
While she could have chosen a different response, her ears weren't off.
Of all the wonderful things to talk about, and the hilarious ways to talk about them, this interviewer is doing what Wolf Blitzer does, what Anderson Cooper does; "some people say this, some people say that, you've been accused, you've said..." Piss off. Just flat piss off.
You know how theDailyMail has all the celebrity stories arrayed vertically on the right -- 1) Emma Watson is no wallflower 2) Kim and Khloe post selfies 3) Alamuddin's mother is not impressed with George Clooney 4) Wedding bells for Lady Gaga? 5) Pregnant and proud, Kourtney Kardashian 6) I sat next to Victoria Bechham 7) Baby on board! Mila Kunis 8) Mila Kunis puts career on hold to marry Ashton Kushner 9) Clara gets dreadlocks 10) Joan rivers calls Obama gay and Michelle a transvestite HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA OMG! I CAN'T STOP LAUGHING! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA THAT AWFUL WOMAN DID IT AGAIN! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
That's the difference. That's why I love her. And she's so fucking old and still pulls it off.
After the Elizabeth getting stuck in the arches and coaxed out with a Twinkie, the audience collectively moaned. Rivers leans into the audience and goes, "Oh, Blame me! Like I'm the one sticking those Twinkies in her mouth. " Cram, cram, cram. She's hilarious.
In her movie she shows a full wall of file card cabinets full of jokes, hand written over decades. Decades and decades of jokes, carefully reworked and saved. She can pull them out randomly and crack herself up all over again. Or conversely wonder what it was that she thought was so funny. I have two such cabinets of Egyptian hieroglyphics and learned to read middle Egyptian. She has a whole wall of jokes. Hers puts my collection to shame. That is her language, in which she is thorough. She is so far beyond the interviewer it isn't funny. There is no humor or promotion of humor to be had with a dullard like that. Rivers is perfect in leaving. And she is far funnier than Carson cold ever hope to be. She puts all those late night comedians to shame. I love her.
I watched that documentary, Joan Rivers: A Piece of Work, a while ago. After her daughter and grandson, staying in the spotlight is everything to her. I think that's the correct order, but maybe not. Some funny stuff in it, but overall very depressing.
80-yr-old Daisy Duck lookalike sez…respect mah comic authoriteh!
Yawn.
As a much funnier comedian said, right in front of her, she's every man's dream. If by every man you mean every man who wants to titty-fuck a crocodile.
And she laughed.
Yes, her looks at first seem over-the-top. But then, if that cretin of an interviewer had anywhere near the honesty, intelligence, vim and talent that Joan has at 80, then she could get away with such a thing, too.
I give Joan a lot of credit. In my book, she's one of the few women in the public eye who's actually earned her knocks. If it makes her feel better to turn her face into a wax figurine, c'est la vie. She's done more than enough to deserve it, and if that retarded excuse that we take for an "accomplished woman" CNN interviewer doesn't prove it, then nothing will.
Joan's earned it. All of it. And more. She can get away with pretty much whatever she wants -- especially when it comes to a stupid kerfuffle with a twat like that.
She could retreat a little and become the grand old lady of comedy like Carol Burnett. That wasn't such a hostile interview, not to someone like Joan Rivers who made her bones mocking celebrities and asking them pointed questions. She deserves some honor and recognition for being the only comedienne in America who has made more jokes about Michelle Obama than Sarah Palin, i.e., one, but she's playing it both ways by trying to be above the fray and in the fray at the same time. You can be a grande dame or you can be nasty funny, but you can't be both. Even Don Rickles now pulls his punches.
Personally, I think she should've been asked if her husband killed himself bc. he couldn't stand her duck face. I mean, humor is how people get over tragedies, right?
Comedians are notorious for valuing personal honesty a hell of a lot more than the non-humorous.
That said, you can make whatever ill-informed joke you want. But the prevailing (and more credible) story is that he was depressed and (perhaps appropriately) blamed himself for the failure of their FOX show.
Joan would have been the first one to admit insecurity over her looks. For crying out loud, don't her late-life surgeries prove it? And she and him had problems anyway. But being smart and funny doesn't make someone inhuman. I think she has her pain and her feelings and her regrets, but still I think she's done a much more creditable job in life than almost anyone else in her position that I could think of. So if you think she's dishonest or (too) mean, I think you're missing the point. If Americans didn't go to epidemic lengths to lie to themselves, she simply wouldn't have been successful.
Joan Rivers is a pain in the ass, but she knows how to promote herself and is beyond having to put up with stuff like this.
I'm sure her current show is shallow and stupid, but those skits with her daughter should make up for it. The one where she went out with her comedian friend and went to the pot dispensary was pretty hysterical, given her age.
Maybe Hillary Clinton can take over her shtick. I bet Hillary laughed over the Obama gay and Michelle trannie joke.
If, God forbid, Hillary Clinton becomes president you'd better bet your lucky stars that Joan Rivers is still alive to witness and lampoon it. She will probably be the only person with enough insight to help American understand and laugh at a national tragedy of those proportions.
I can't remember the sum total of Camille Paglia's thoughts on Hillary - and sometimes she gets lacunae of her own. But I do remember her coining a phrase about Her HRC "dealing personalities like a card shark" which I thought was pretty spot-on, hilarious and insightful all at once. The keeper that requires you to keep no further memories at all as to the meaning of the inner convictions of Hillary Clinton.
I think she veers off the deep end about 10 - 25% of the time but then, she's in the arts. It could also just be age and it still makes the other 75 - 90% worth it.
Although she of course can change her tune come 2016, here’s Paglia just last year in another Salon interview:
Interviewer: Any hopes, fears or predictions for the presidential elections in 2016?
Paglia: As a registered Democrat, I am praying for a credible presidential candidate to emerge from the younger tier of politicians in their late 40s. A governor with executive experience would be ideal. It’s time to put my baby-boom generation out to pasture! We’ve had our day and managed to muck up a hell of a lot. It remains baffling how anyone would think that Hillary Clinton (born the same year as me) is our party’s best chance. She has more sooty baggage than a 90-car freight train. And what exactly has she ever accomplished — beyond bullishly covering for her philandering husband? She’s certainly busy, busy and ever on the move — with the tunnel-vision workaholism of someone trying to blot out uncomfortable private thoughts.
I for one think it was a very big deal that our ambassador was murdered in Benghazi. In saying “I take responsibility” for it as secretary of state, Hillary should have resigned immediately. The weak response by the Obama administration to that tragedy has given a huge opening to Republicans in the next presidential election. The impression has been amply given that Benghazi was treated as a public relations matter to massage rather than as the major and outrageous attack on the U.S. that it was.
Throughout history, ambassadors have always been symbolic incarnations of the sovereignty of their nations and the dignity of their leaders. It’s even a key motif in “King Lear.” As far as I’m concerned, Hillary disqualified herself for the presidency in that fist-pounding moment at a congressional hearing when she said, “What difference does it make what we knew and when we knew it, Senator?” Democrats have got to shake off the Clinton albatross and find new blood. The escalating instability not just in Egypt but throughout the Mideast is very ominous. There is a clash of cultures brewing in the world that may take a century or more to resolve — and there is no guarantee that the secular West will win.
Ritmo, thanks. The closing para doesn't bode well for Paglia's character analyses :)
"I will vote for Hillary if she is the nominee of my party, because I want Democrats appointed to the Cabinet and the Supreme Court. But I plan to vote for Barack Obama in the Pennsylvania primary because he is a rational, centered personality who speaks the language of idealism and national unity. Obama has served longer as an elected official than Hillary. He has had experience as a grass-roots activist, and he is also a highly educated lawyer who will be a quick learner in office. His international parentage and childhood, as well as his knowledge of both Christianity and Islam, would make him the right leader at the right time. And his wife Michelle is a powerhouse."
Or maybe she has seen what our current media does to the un-PC and went on offense early. It's got to be scary times for the un-PC, you know? Lived ruined.
I listen to her show almost every week. Listen because my wife and teenage daughter watch it together in the next room while I putz away on the computer at places like Lem's.
I like her shtick. She's isn't afraid of the PC police.
No. She got persistent, stupid and obtuse questions. When a reporter doesn't understand the answer to a question five times, and still asks it, with a stupid smirk on her face, while failing to account for her own hypocrisy, it's time to leave.
I'm open to the possibility that she was nasty on the-no-less-nasty Donald Trump's show, but then, she won. And I didn't watch it.
She knows how to play a man's game. She has her demons, but she's just desperate for approval like any comedian - and not desperate to be cruel. Of course, sometimes she crosses the line, but not to anyone who doesn't deserve it, and never irrevocably so.
The fact that her talent scared someone as conventional an establishment figure as Carson tells you all you need to know about what she's up against. She is no nastier than him or any other somewhat mainstream comedian. Just braver. And he showed his true colors by abandoning her in the midst of her breakthrough success.
But he's a conventional, nice-guy hero, or so they so. No Joan's not mean. She's just no longer got any stomach for all the pervasive bs. And I don't know anyone else who challenges as much bs as she does with as good a nature. It's a nasty business, challenging bs, and I think she does about as damn fine a job doing it as you could ask of anyone.
Joan can be harsh, but she's not mean. She's actually one of the few (if only) comedians I've ever seen who, if someone says she hurt their feelings, she will listen to them, and even sometimes apologize.
I just find it hard to see how she could be called "nasty" despite all that. It's a tough business and yes sometimes she makes a thoughtless joke out of anything and anyone. (I'm sure her current show -- which she's probably doing pretty much for the money -- is a good example of that). She also makes some very good jokes. And she jokes about herself a lot.
Tough, yes. But nasty? I guess I'm just not seeing it.
You obviously don't know Joan Rivers dude. She is as nasty as nasty can be. Her stand up act is the precursor of twats like Kathy Griffin and Margaret Cho.
On the Celebrity Apprentice she had a corrupt deal with Donald Trump to win. In the final contest the Poker Girl out fund raised her by about $600,000. The crap she was saying about her was off the charts.
You know I never gave her much of a thought until I saw Buddy Hackett in Vegas once and he spent an hour busting on her.
His best joke: "That nasty twat had so much plastic surgery to pull up her face that she has a goatee."
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Hmmm. She also just said Obama was gay and Michelle a tranny? Is she trying to raise her profile, or is she heading into dementia?
Anyway, put me down as a huge Rivers fan.
She's always had a talent for cutting her own throat.
Carson groomed her to be his successor, but, as now, she bit the hand that fed her.
Like a lot of people, her schtick grows old on me very quickly.
I didn't know that about Carson.
Lem,
Congratulations on your 1 year mark. Way to start your own blog.
And best wishes for a successful second year.
Joan is trying to drum up some press.
As for Carson, yeah she managed to never talk with Carson again after she embarrassed him by doing her own show. but it was Joan's husband who screwed everything up… It is funny how a no talent spouse can spoil things.
A lot of what Bushkin says generally about Carson has the ring of truth for anybody who followed the show through the years, but the Rosenberg thing essentially who you want to believe.
The CNN interviewer has that irritating smile-and-laugh that suggests a cozy puff piece interview but the questions had sharp talons.
It was the right thing to do, and more people should tell these assholes to go to hell.
Are you driving a car that runs on oil and gas? - Then shut up.
I finally watched the video
That interviewer needs to be slapped across the kisser with Joan's book. What a little snippy cunt. Yes. I said the C word.
DBQ, that is a given since it is CNN and Joan had the temerity to call Obama gay and Michelle a trannie (which is funny, but obviously intended to create a controversy).
Joan Rivers said that Elizabeth Taylor was once in such a hurry to eat that she got herself stuck in between the golden arches and they couldn't get her out until they greased her hips and held a Twinkie in front of her.
That's gold, Jerry! Gold!
80-yr-old Daisy Duck lookalike sez…respect mah comic authoriteh!
Yawn.
Well, she's right and she's smarter than the bobblehead who's interviewing her so why leave? Kind of wussed out by huffing off IMAO. Stay, and set that nitwit's head on fire. It'd be entertaining. Joan's not that funny but she is entertaining and she writes her own jokes and she ignored stupid union writer demands and she's survived in the entertainment biz for decades. I gotta respect that.
It depends a bit on what was agreed to before the interview, but everything the interviewer brought up, even if not voiced as an accusation, was definitely "Defend yourself against this... Okay, now defend yourself against that... defend yourself against this other thing... Defend that you wore fur just to piss people off on purpose...
So many of us are conditioned to be nice, to endure the little jibes because any single one of them isn't worth blowing up over. When I'm 80 I'll probably finally figure out what is going on and stop putting up with it too.
If Daisy Duck thought those were mean questions, she's senile.
Those were softballs on a batting tee.
Where does he get those wonderful toys?
Chip S. that's assuming that the interview was supposed to be an attack interview.
Like those reporters getting a briefing from Gen. Honore who was trying to get information out that people really needed to have and the reporters all wanted answers to tough questions about Katrina... and all the citizens needing to prepare for the next hurricane could just go swimming for all they cared.
The interviewers job isn't to ask "tough questions" and grill whoever it is who is on a happy "promote my book" tour in order to provide light entertaining filler for the network.
What I mean is... there are situations where THE INTERVIEWER AND GUEST ARE ON THE SAME SIDE.
Fluff entertainment interviews.
Introducing a candidate and what they stand for in lengthy casual interviews.
and
Preparation for National Disaster interviews.
Hurricane Katrina? Seriously?
Daisy was in the news for two reasons this week: 1) calling the First Lady a tranny, and 2) being the object of PETA protests for the picture on the cover of her new book.
She got off very easily by only being asked for her response to the latter. If those little puffball questions came as a surprise to her, then she should fire her publicist right away.
That third rate turd interviewing Joanie is a nothing, an absolute nothing, but she has the right look and the right skin tint and that makes her NOBLE AND GOOD. Just ask Schmendrik, he'll tell you so in his ineffably empty way. Tell 'em to go eff themselves and their arrogant stupidity, Joanie. Because what's left? The stupid vicious Schmendriks have WON.
Political interviews should be in one of two categories... investigative... where the interviewer's goal is to find out as much about the politician's ideas as possible in order for voters to be informed. "What do this person's potential supporters need to know? (The co-operative *job interview* version.) And interrogative... where the politician needs to answer for decisions, performance or consequences and face those "hard questions" of what they're up to in office.
I'm talking about your assumption that a fluff entertainment interview is supposed to have *tough* questions.
No doubt Joan thought she had a *contract* verbal or otherwise, on what the nature of the interview was going to be and the interviewer violated it. Some interviews are *appropriately* partnerships and not inquisitions.
In the scroll feed on the bottom of the screen it says "Rivers talks about her role on Fashion Police" So that is what she thought the interview was going to be about. That and promoting her book.
The talking head asked a few questions about the Fashion stuff, but phrased in a way that was confrontational and to the gist of....what a big meanie you are Joan and how you hurt people's feelings. Then she tried to make a deal about wearing furs. Joan could see that the interview was going to be just more of the same accusatory types of questions and NOT about her promoting her book.
I would assume that had she know that this would be the not case, a pleasant and fun interview about her book and would instead be turned into a trial, she would not have gone on the interview.
Bait and switch.
While I don't find Joan Rivers funny and I don't appreciate her humor, which does seem to have a mean edge to it.....I agree with her refusal to be grilled by some no talent info babe. She doesn't have to put up with that. Also....If Joan wants to wear furs, that is her decision.
“If you can't get a taxi you can leave in a huff. If that's too soon, you can leave in a minute and a huff.”
So spaketh the great Groucho Marx. He was funny. Joan, not so much.
If you think "What do you say to your critics?" is a mean question, I don't know what more to say.
Personally, I think she should've been asked if her husband killed himself bc. he couldn't stand her duck face. I mean, humor is how people get over tragedies, right?
Her husband probably killed himself because "Hey Melvin (or Herb or Irving or whatever his name was) that's all you could manage for us, a five thousand square foot home in Beverly Hills when Cher's is ten thousand square feet?"
I don't care for Rivers at all, either entertainment or life, though she can be funny. But she is old enough to not have to put up with the shit that interviewer was slinging, she was right, and I don't blame her a bit for walking off. Good for her.
She said, right before launching into the leather shoes, "This whole interview is becoming a defensive interview." Followed by, "All you've done is negative." And she was right.
With eighty-one years of reading people under her leather belt and a ton of practice listening to laughter, she caught the tone and intent; and apparently wasn't fooled by the faux laughter and smarminess being dished along with the questions.
While she could have chosen a different response, her ears weren't off.
The dangerous, no-holds barred, seasoned Hollywood survivor comic wilts in the face of mild taunting by a Barbie doll.
It's all faux.
Of all the wonderful things to talk about, and the hilarious ways to talk about them, this interviewer is doing what Wolf Blitzer does, what Anderson Cooper does; "some people say this, some people say that, you've been accused, you've said..." Piss off. Just flat piss off.
You know how theDailyMail has all the celebrity stories arrayed vertically on the right -- 1) Emma Watson is no wallflower 2) Kim and Khloe post selfies 3) Alamuddin's mother is not impressed with George Clooney 4) Wedding bells for Lady Gaga? 5) Pregnant and proud, Kourtney Kardashian 6) I sat next to Victoria Bechham 7) Baby on board! Mila Kunis 8) Mila Kunis puts career on hold to marry Ashton Kushner 9) Clara gets dreadlocks 10) Joan rivers calls Obama gay and Michelle a transvestite HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA OMG! I CAN'T STOP LAUGHING! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA THAT AWFUL WOMAN DID IT AGAIN! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
That's the difference. That's why I love her. And she's so fucking old and still pulls it off.
After the Elizabeth getting stuck in the arches and coaxed out with a Twinkie, the audience collectively moaned. Rivers leans into the audience and goes, "Oh, Blame me! Like I'm the one sticking those Twinkies in her mouth. " Cram, cram, cram. She's hilarious.
In her movie she shows a full wall of file card cabinets full of jokes, hand written over decades. Decades and decades of jokes, carefully reworked and saved. She can pull them out randomly and crack herself up all over again. Or conversely wonder what it was that she thought was so funny. I have two such cabinets of Egyptian hieroglyphics and learned to read middle Egyptian. She has a whole wall of jokes. Hers puts my collection to shame. That is her language, in which she is thorough. She is so far beyond the interviewer it isn't funny. There is no humor or promotion of humor to be had with a dullard like that. Rivers is perfect in leaving. And she is far funnier than Carson cold ever hope to be. She puts all those late night comedians to shame. I love her.
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So Solly. Rink to Prayboy.
I just looked it up:
Rivers saying Obama gay
I watched that documentary, Joan Rivers: A Piece of Work, a while ago. After her daughter and grandson, staying in the spotlight is everything to her. I think that's the correct order, but maybe not. Some funny stuff in it, but overall very depressing.
Dummies apparently don't get funny.
80-yr-old Daisy Duck lookalike sez…respect mah comic authoriteh!
Yawn.
As a much funnier comedian said, right in front of her, she's every man's dream. If by every man you mean every man who wants to titty-fuck a crocodile.
And she laughed.
Yes, her looks at first seem over-the-top. But then, if that cretin of an interviewer had anywhere near the honesty, intelligence, vim and talent that Joan has at 80, then she could get away with such a thing, too.
I give Joan a lot of credit. In my book, she's one of the few women in the public eye who's actually earned her knocks. If it makes her feel better to turn her face into a wax figurine, c'est la vie. She's done more than enough to deserve it, and if that retarded excuse that we take for an "accomplished woman" CNN interviewer doesn't prove it, then nothing will.
Joan's earned it. All of it. And more. She can get away with pretty much whatever she wants -- especially when it comes to a stupid kerfuffle with a twat like that.
Perspective.
She could retreat a little and become the grand old lady of comedy like Carol Burnett. That wasn't such a hostile interview, not to someone like Joan Rivers who made her bones mocking celebrities and asking them pointed questions. She deserves some honor and recognition for being the only comedienne in America who has made more jokes about Michelle Obama than Sarah Palin, i.e., one, but she's playing it both ways by trying to be above the fray and in the fray at the same time. You can be a grande dame or you can be nasty funny, but you can't be both. Even Don Rickles now pulls his punches.
Personally, I think she should've been asked if her husband killed himself bc. he couldn't stand her duck face. I mean, humor is how people get over tragedies, right?
Comedians are notorious for valuing personal honesty a hell of a lot more than the non-humorous.
That said, you can make whatever ill-informed joke you want. But the prevailing (and more credible) story is that he was depressed and (perhaps appropriately) blamed himself for the failure of their FOX show.
Joan would have been the first one to admit insecurity over her looks. For crying out loud, don't her late-life surgeries prove it? And she and him had problems anyway. But being smart and funny doesn't make someone inhuman. I think she has her pain and her feelings and her regrets, but still I think she's done a much more creditable job in life than almost anyone else in her position that I could think of. So if you think she's dishonest or (too) mean, I think you're missing the point. If Americans didn't go to epidemic lengths to lie to themselves, she simply wouldn't have been successful.
Joan Rivers is a pain in the ass, but she knows how to promote herself and is beyond having to put up with stuff like this.
I'm sure her current show is shallow and stupid, but those skits with her daughter should make up for it. The one where she went out with her comedian friend and went to the pot dispensary was pretty hysterical, given her age.
Maybe Hillary Clinton can take over her shtick. I bet Hillary laughed over the Obama gay and Michelle trannie joke.
If, God forbid, Hillary Clinton becomes president you'd better bet your lucky stars that Joan Rivers is still alive to witness and lampoon it. She will probably be the only person with enough insight to help American understand and laugh at a national tragedy of those proportions.
Damnit R&B, you've made more sense in these few comments (and I agree with them) than you have in years- who'd a thunk.
" She will probably be the only person with enough insight to help American understand and laugh at a national tragedy of those proportions."
I wonder how Paglia will view a Hillary presidency.
I can't remember the sum total of Camille Paglia's thoughts on Hillary - and sometimes she gets lacunae of her own. But I do remember her coining a phrase about Her HRC "dealing personalities like a card shark" which I thought was pretty spot-on, hilarious and insightful all at once. The keeper that requires you to keep no further memories at all as to the meaning of the inner convictions of Hillary Clinton.
I think she veers off the deep end about 10 - 25% of the time but then, she's in the arts. It could also just be age and it still makes the other 75 - 90% worth it.
Hell, XRay -- I even agree with Chip on this one. ;-)
Here's the link, Deb. The whole thing is actually pretty good.
Although she of course can change her tune come 2016, here’s Paglia just last year in another Salon interview:
Interviewer: Any hopes, fears or predictions for the presidential elections in 2016?
Paglia: As a registered Democrat, I am praying for a credible presidential candidate to emerge from the younger tier of politicians in their late 40s. A governor with executive experience would be ideal. It’s time to put my baby-boom generation out to pasture! We’ve had our day and managed to muck up a hell of a lot. It remains baffling how anyone would think that Hillary Clinton (born the same year as me) is our party’s best chance. She has more sooty baggage than a 90-car freight train. And what exactly has she ever accomplished — beyond bullishly covering for her philandering husband? She’s certainly busy, busy and ever on the move — with the tunnel-vision workaholism of someone trying to blot out uncomfortable private thoughts.
I for one think it was a very big deal that our ambassador was murdered in Benghazi. In saying “I take responsibility” for it as secretary of state, Hillary should have resigned immediately. The weak response by the Obama administration to that tragedy has given a huge opening to Republicans in the next presidential election. The impression has been amply given that Benghazi was treated as a public relations matter to massage rather than as the major and outrageous attack on the U.S. that it was.
Throughout history, ambassadors have always been symbolic incarnations of the sovereignty of their nations and the dignity of their leaders. It’s even a key motif in “King Lear.” As far as I’m concerned, Hillary disqualified herself for the presidency in that fist-pounding moment at a congressional hearing when she said, “What difference does it make what we knew and when we knew it, Senator?” Democrats have got to shake off the Clinton albatross and find new blood. The escalating instability not just in Egypt but throughout the Mideast is very ominous. There is a clash of cultures brewing in the world that may take a century or more to resolve — and there is no guarantee that the secular West will win.
Ritmo, thanks. The closing para doesn't bode well for Paglia's character analyses :)
"I will vote for Hillary if she is the nominee of my party, because I want Democrats appointed to the Cabinet and the Supreme Court. But I plan to vote for Barack Obama in the Pennsylvania primary because he is a rational, centered personality who speaks the language of idealism and national unity. Obama has served longer as an elected official than Hillary. He has had experience as a grass-roots activist, and he is also a highly educated lawyer who will be a quick learner in office. His international parentage and childhood, as well as his knowledge of both Christianity and Islam, would make him the right leader at the right time. And his wife Michelle is a powerhouse."
That was well said, Lydia. Thanks.
Joan Rivers is a nasty piece of work who rips everyone a new one but had to flounce off after a few tough questions.
You learned everything you needed to know about her after her appearance on "Celebrity Apprentice" a few years ago.
She gets a pass because she is old.
Or maybe she has seen what our current media does to the un-PC and went on offense early. It's got to be scary times for the un-PC, you know? Lived ruined.
I listen to her show almost every week. Listen because my wife and teenage daughter watch it together in the next room while I putz away on the computer at places like Lem's.
I like her shtick. She's isn't afraid of the PC police.
Joan Rivers is a nasty…
No. She got persistent, stupid and obtuse questions. When a reporter doesn't understand the answer to a question five times, and still asks it, with a stupid smirk on her face, while failing to account for her own hypocrisy, it's time to leave.
I'm open to the possibility that she was nasty on the-no-less-nasty Donald Trump's show, but then, she won. And I didn't watch it.
She knows how to play a man's game. She has her demons, but she's just desperate for approval like any comedian - and not desperate to be cruel. Of course, sometimes she crosses the line, but not to anyone who doesn't deserve it, and never irrevocably so.
The fact that her talent scared someone as conventional an establishment figure as Carson tells you all you need to know about what she's up against. She is no nastier than him or any other somewhat mainstream comedian. Just braver. And he showed his true colors by abandoning her in the midst of her breakthrough success.
But he's a conventional, nice-guy hero, or so they so. No Joan's not mean. She's just no longer got any stomach for all the pervasive bs. And I don't know anyone else who challenges as much bs as she does with as good a nature. It's a nasty business, challenging bs, and I think she does about as damn fine a job doing it as you could ask of anyone.
I heard the Don Rickles roast was hilarious.
I guess I haven't seen it yet. My favorite CC roasts were Larry the Cable Guy, Pam Anderson and anything where the unsurpassable Greg Giraldo roasted.
After his death, it's almost like they just shouldn't do them any more. Maybe they don't.
He was the one with the line about Joan being every guy's dream.
Every guy who dreams of titty-fucking a crocodile.
Comedians. Can't live without them. And they can't live with themselves.
It's funny. DId any of the crowd here catch the Celebrity Wife Swap with Melissa Rivers and Bristol Palin?
It was actually kind of nice. There were obviously some differences, but I actually found it interesting and not so cynical.
Joan's a Republican.
Joan can be harsh, but she's not mean. She's actually one of the few (if only) comedians I've ever seen who, if someone says she hurt their feelings, she will listen to them, and even sometimes apologize.
I just find it hard to see how she could be called "nasty" despite all that. It's a tough business and yes sometimes she makes a thoughtless joke out of anything and anyone. (I'm sure her current show -- which she's probably doing pretty much for the money -- is a good example of that). She also makes some very good jokes. And she jokes about herself a lot.
Tough, yes. But nasty? I guess I'm just not seeing it.
Please, despite my prior comment.
This is a nasty person.
I give her great latitude in such.
Her career has been balanced, by her, in the sense that she cleverly knows what she can get away with, or not.
IOW's she's a politician. A very adept one.
Who knew Joan Rivers was Ritmo's grandma?
It kind of makes sense when you think about it.
You obviously don't know Joan Rivers dude. She is as nasty as nasty can be. Her stand up act is the precursor of twats like Kathy Griffin and Margaret Cho.
On the Celebrity Apprentice she had a corrupt deal with Donald Trump to win. In the final contest the Poker Girl out fund raised her by about $600,000. The crap she was saying about her was off the charts.
You know I never gave her much of a thought until I saw Buddy Hackett in Vegas once and he spent an hour busting on her.
His best joke:
"That nasty twat had so much plastic surgery to pull up her face that she has a goatee."
Buddy was a good judge of character.
I do agree that Greg Giraldo was a very funny guy. Very troubled but very funny.
He used to hang around the bar we managed in Times Square with Dave Attell, Patrice O'Neal and Jim Floretine.
Gone way too soon.
I like the difference of opinion amongst otherwise concordant spirits here.
I'll bet some of those who despise Joan Rivers like and enjoy Howard Stern who I detest.
Rivers may be a rivulet upon our destruction but Stern is a tsunami of such. The very core of a despicable human being.
I might think different on this in the morning, but I doubt it.
I detest Howard Stern as well. I enjoyed Imus before he went senile and knuckled under to the race hucksters.
Now it is strictly sports radio.
Howard Stern isn't even funny.
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