"On Monday afternoon, about eight hours before the government shutdown began, House Speaker John Boehner was asked whether he would consider passing a "clean" continuing resolution -- that is, a measure to fund the government without attachments that defund, delay, or limit Obamacare. "Is the clean CR off the table?" asked a reporter. "Is that not going to happen?"
"That's not going to happen," said Boehner.
Fast forward to 1:15 a.m. Tuesday..."
After Boehner's opening statement, a reporter asked, "Will you permit a vote on a clean CR?" Boehner's response, in its entirety: "We are hoping that the Senate will take our offer to go to conference and let us resolve our differences." Boehner said nothing about "not going to happen" or "don't see that happening." Instead, he sidestepped the "clean" resolution question entirely."
Some influential Republican insiders believe the funding standoff will eventually be resolved by the House passing the "clean" CR that Boehner had categorically rejected earlier. Boehner did nothing to stop that speculation with his brief statement early Tuesday morning."
Washington Examiner
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No such thing as "clean" until CorruptocratCare is de-funded.
Guy on youtube nails Francesa video
Sports guy on WFAN radio and somewhere cable.
Friend of Imus who plays his clips sometimes.
Return the Bill With the "Sell Hawaii" Addition. Now is As Good a Time as Any to Get Hawaii Off of Our Payroll.
Consider the debt limit. Like ObamaCare, it is a statute enacted by Congress–or rather a series of statutes, each authorizing the issuance of additional debt as it becomes necessary. The Congressional Research Service reports that the 111th Congress–the same one that enacted ObamaCare–raised the debt limit three times: by $789 billion to $12.104 trillion in February 2009, by $290 billion to $12.394 trillion in December 2009, and by $1.9 trillion to $14.294 trillion in February 2010.
[wow. the dems sure like do spend/waste our money]
Obama and the Democrats, who then controlled Congress, could have avoided the current difficulty by enacting legislation in 2009 or 2010 raising the limit to, say, $20 trillion–or abolishing it altogether, or suspending it until 2017. (A suspension of fixed duration, 3½ months, was in fact enacted this past February.)
It’s not hard to think of reasons why instead they followed the custom of enacting only stopgap increases instead of what would have amounted to a blank check. For one, it would have been politically disadvantageous, if not disastrous, for Democrats to announce their intention to put the country that deeply into debt. For another, Obama had not yet been re-elected, so that a blank check from congressional Democrats might have been cashed by a Republican president.
Democrats in Congress are no more eager than Republicans to give up the leverage that comes with the need for periodic legislation raising the debt limit. As we noted Friday, Democrats attempted unsuccessfully to use that leverage 40 years ago to enact laws restricting political speech. And in 2006 a young Democratic senator voted against raising the limit to a comparatively paltry $8.965 trillion.
James Taranto.
The main-stream loyalty media are NOT reporting any of this.
Speaker Boehner spends enough time in that cave he'll lose his skin pigment and go blind.
Boehner's gonna cave? I'm SHOCKED!
Is he crying yet?
ot:
Sweet.
The delicate DC government, living high off the Beyoncé Party, should never feel the recession.
Recessions are for the rest of us.
We'll see.
Right now, the polls, if they can be believed, are about dead even.
Remember, it doesn't
matter what Boehner does, the pro-democrat hack media have him cornered.
*pfft*
The California ACA exchange website says "Server unavailable".
It probably got furloughed by the shut down I'm guessing. You know, nonessential and all.
Honestly, at this point, a clean CR might be the only solution besides an extended shut down. Reid and Obama have stated unequivocally they will not barter. The only solution left is the ballot box.
Choom isn't known for doing well in conflict situations - remember Syria.
If there's a way to knock this into a cocked hat so he looks like the fool he is, he'll find it.
I was watching MSNBC (Jansing and Company) and Chris Jansing runs clip of McConnell(R) this morning saying that the Republicans' final offer included only two conditions: 1) Congress has to also get Obamacare, and 2)Individuals get the same 1 year extension that employers got. No de-funding. Immediately after he says that Jansing says the Democrats refused to pass the bill because the Republicans insisted on defunding Obamacare. One second elapsed between the truth and her lie. Reid himself couldn't have done a better job.
"Immediately after he says that Jansing says the Democrats refused to pass the bill because the Republicans insisted on defunding Obamacare."
-- Things like that are why I've stopped talking politics with my friend. Too many times I would have to say: "No, that's just not true," and it was hurting a lot of feelings. They thought I was calling them liars, when all I was trying to say was "You've been mislead."
So, I gave up. There are some who still think that the jobs we're gaining are net jobs, not over the rate of population growth, for example.
MSNBC cannot be honest.
MSNBC represents the democrat party, so honesty is off the table.
It does not matter. A friend of mine and his family voted for Obama and against the rich Romney. This same friend is getting ready to retire from his union construction trade and is trying to find a way to go out on disability [ergo better pension] and is also trying to find a way to take his union annuity money [worth several hundred thousand dollars] tax-free.
So it does not matter- Obama and Dem voters cost us honest taxpayers money in many many ways.
edutcher said...
Choom isn't known for doing well in conflict situations - remember Syria.
You can't compare foreign and domestic. He's much tougher domestically because (a) he believes Republicans are the enemy and (b) he knows the media will spin everything to his advantage. Foreign dictators don't give a shit what our media says.
AJ - when that mentality takes over, we are screwed.
When the takers out-number the makers, we are screwed. When the democrat corruption machine can fix a few targeted counties with institutionalized vote fraud, we are screwed. When the democrat party takes over the media, we are screwed.
Looks like we are screwed.
Sorry about the long absence, but:
Does anyone have any news on Trooper York?
April- I agree - when the leaners outnumber the lifters in society we are in trouble. It has reached that point.
Marshal said...
Choom isn't known for doing well in conflict situations - remember Syria.
You can't compare foreign and domestic. He's much tougher domestically because (a) he believes Republicans are the enemy and (b) he knows the media will spin everything to his advantage. Foreign dictators don't give a shit what our media says.
Remember the sequester, then.
He was going to hold fast on that, too.
If Boehner doesn't cave, I'm betting blame for this, regardless of what the media says (remember, they wanted riots after Z's acquittal), lands right in Choomie's lap.
Boehner is a political coward. How this weak-kneed milquetoast noodle-spined buffoon made it this far is beyond me.
Matthew Sablan said...
Honestly, at this point, a clean CR might be the only solution besides an extended shut down. Reid and Obama have stated unequivocally they will not barter. The only solution left is the ballot box.
Now there's an idea.
"Now there's an idea."
-- It is a shame to give in to what the left would call "economic terrorists," but they've made it clear that people's lives are less important than politics. Poor people having to pay more for pacemakers and hearing aids are more important than keeping the government running.
They're irrational, power-hungry dolts. You can't negotiate with people like Reid and Obama -- they refuse it.
We've learned, and sadly, what we've learned is that no, voting for a Democrat in the House/Senate is not something you should do. Because it empowers people like Reid. Even "moderate" Democrats like Manchin enable Reid.
So, yes. Team Blue has won: We will let people be miserable and poorer because they refuse to talk. We'll give the baby his ice cream if he just stops whining.
Matthew Sablan said...
So, yes. Team Blue has won: We will let people be miserable and poorer because they refuse to talk. We'll give the baby his ice cream if he just stops whining.
You do understand that Republican politicians are fighting to block health insurance for those that can't afford it or have pre-existing conditions.
Rather than take on a real fight, such as trying to get US health care spending down to international levels (see here) they focus on the weak. Hardly a profile in courage.
AReasonableMan said...
You do understand that Republican politicians are fighting to block health insurance for those that can't afford it or have pre-existing conditions.
Democrats are fighting to reduce the quality of healthcare for everyone. Plus I see ARM is still peddling the erroneous claim that those with preexisting conditions cannot get health insurance now. It figures.
"You do understand that Republican politicians are fighting to block health insurance for those that can't afford it or have pre-existing conditions."
-- Republicans offered stand-alone amendments on pre-existing conditions and offered at least three different plans that even Democrat think-tanks acknowledged could lower costs [as opposed to the ACA which is seeing rates rise in some states 60% to 90%.]
Just because you're too lazy to learn what Republicans did and regurgitate the crap shoveled to you by the media doesn't mean I have to accept your incorrect statements.
Republicans offered compromise that would have lowered costs and gotten pre-existing conditions covered for cheaper, in a less controversial way. As usual, Team Blue had a temper tantrum and insisted on their way or the high way.
I've learned from watching the last several years: I'm not a fan of Republicans, but at least they'll compromise and work with the other side. Democrats? They won't even go home. They'll just take their ball, and everyone else's, and sit on the playing field till everyone agrees to play their game.
Think about how much Republicans have been willing to compromise; their last two presidential nominees were center right, at best, if not centrist to center left. Still, they're called right-wing nut jobs, economic terrorists, etc., etc.
It is like the minister's daughter: If they're going to get so much flak for being those things, we might as well get the benefits that come with the territory (in this case, smaller, more efficient government, less debt, lower overhead, etc., etc.), instead of just getting shamed over and over.
The foot stomping of the left and the refusal to compromise of the so-called smart set has done more to push me into a reluctant reliable R vote than anything Republicans have done. Democrats just refuse to govern, so I can't see myself opting to give them more power.
Matthew Sablan said...
Think about how much Republicans have been willing to compromise; their last two presidential nominees were center right, at best, if not centrist to center left.
You can't seriously claim that the selection of a presidential candidate represents compromise with the Democrats. It was a hard-headed electoral decision in an attempt to win the election, i.e. defeat the Democrats.
Marshal said...
Democrats are fighting to reduce the quality of healthcare for everyone.
Doesn't affect me or most everyone else. It is not a zero sum game.
ARM: They could've picked someone who WAS hard-headed to win. Instead, they picked the two people in a row who were the most centrist, conciliatory and compromising candidates. They picked two people with an experience of working across the aisle instead of conservative firebrands.
Republicans -literally- chose compromise over drumming up the base, and you can't see it.
AReasonableMan said...
Doesn't affect me or most everyone else. It is not a zero sum game.
On the plus side ARM now realizes all the wonderful benefits Obama promised were bullshit.
On the downside he apparently still thinks you can reduce funding while increasing demand and performance won't change. Still a way to go to pass Econ 101.
Marshal said...
On the plus side ARM now realizes all the wonderful benefits Obama promised were bullshit.
I, apparently unlike others, paid attention to to the details, it never affected me. I already have good health insurance. I object to how much it costs, which is out of line with international standards.
Matthew Sablan said...
ARM: They could've picked someone who WAS hard-headed to win.
And would have lost badly.
Republicans -literally- chose compromise over drumming up the base, and you can't see it.
They were trying to win an election by appealing to the electorate that exists, rather than some muddle-headed imaging of what the electorate should be. And, in doing so, they were attempting to defeat the Democrats. That is not compromise. I think you fail to understand just how badly the Republican brand was hurt by the Bush/Cheney presidency.
AReasonableMan said...
I, apparently unlike others, paid attention to to the details, it never affected me.
So you knew Obama was lying when he claimed the average family's premium would drop $2,500? Good for you. Unfortunately you're still don't understand the macro, which is that you can't add new consumers while reducing the compensation to caregivers and achieve the same level of care.
rh, thanks, Zaun is a hoot.
This!
you can't add new consumers while reducing the compensation to caregivers and achieve the same level of care.
Newt says - House - don't back down.
Newt said: This is a pivotal conflict that will define the relationship between Congress and the executive branch for the next three years. The country will be much better off if Congress does not abdicate its constitutional role and if the president cannot ignore that role.
Horse runs off out of the barn. Peasants attempt to close the barn door. Doesn't work. Horse done gone.
Recommended reading: The Cloward-Piven Strategy.
Why? Because it is working.
This is a rear-guard skirmish now, as the Constitutional forces retreat. The battle for a budget has already been fought, and lost. We have not had one for a full election cycle now, going on two. The mouse roared....and future "budgets" such as they might be, will be edict fulfillments. Until edict is all that is necessary in our new one provider universe. The USSA is arriving.
AnUnreasonableTroll said...
You do understand that Republican politicians are fighting to block health insurance for those that can't afford it or have pre-existing conditions.
Troll didn't get the memo about how 30 million still won't be covered or how premiums are going out of sight in most places, so families can't afford them.
And, of course, Troll doesn't want to hear how "those that can't afford it or have pre-existing conditions" will be on the first trains to Dachau-on-the-Brazos.
Horse done gone, indeed.
rh, very funny.
"I, apparently unlike others, paid attention to to the details, it never affected me. I already have good health insurance. I object to how much it costs, which is out of line with international standards."
So you read it? And probably read War and Peace in one sitting during your lunch break.
ARM, when you find out the truth about how it does affect you - because you have no idea right now - let us know how you like it. I'll be curious.
It's nice that you think Obamacare is great while also knowing about all the layoff, reduced hours, lost doctors, and upset lives. It's nice that all this is happening entirely unnecessarily and just because it doesn't affect you, it's just fine. Very compassionate.
You realize that you Gerrymandricans represent the extreme faction of the Rethuglican Party, no? Even half of ordinary everyday Rethugs aren't willing to hijack basic government functions so as to prevent constitutionally affirmed laws from being carried out. Amongst independents, it's greater than 70% who either oppose Rethug actions or will blame you. Way to go in your War Against The American People. I hope this blows up in your faces as nicely as the 1990s shutdown did. 10,000 less tourists visited the national parks where I live today. All so that you can deny tens of millions of hard-working Americans health coverage, and perhaps even indulge your own sorry, sado-masochistic fantasies of persecution. Astounding. May your nasty treatment of Americans be revisited one-thousandfold. Go back to the hatred-filled rocky desert you came from.
It is a shame to give in to what the left would call "economic terrorists," but they've made it clear that people's lives are less important than politics.
Oh, really?
Seriously. Get a clue.
"You realize that you Gerrymandricans represent the extreme faction of the Rethuglican Party, no?"
-- Why do you even contribute when you just say something stupid with no meaning? It is literally just throwing letters into a jumble and shaking it until you get something that seems hateful enough to hit post.
Your contributions are useless. Get smarter and make useful contributions, and I'll treat you with respect. If all you can do is spew a few minutes of hate daily, I see no reason to give you any serious consideration.
A man who has a personal, undefined understanding of "smart" isn't worth taking seriously.
Here's a serious fact or two for someone who might take smarts seriously: The representation by the TP in the House is seriously exaggerated. Historical knowledge of U.S. politics means accepting the downside of a concept known as "gerrymandering". You don't get to pass high-school history class without that. The FACT is that R's won a million less votes for their candidates in the House, and retained a majority - AND now we see how that exaggerates their own sense of power and popularity. You can call all of these facts stupid. You can call them "disrespectful". But you can't call them untrue. Or irrelevant. They're fucking REAL. Get used to it.
And then there's the polling data. Again, not a word you can say about the fact that only half of Rethugs want this, and 70% of independents DON'T. Yes, there is a lot more for you to deny than my supposedly "hateful" FACTS.
ALL OF THESE ARE STILL FACTS. THEY DON'T REQUIRE YOUR "RESPECT" TO BE REAL.
Make sure you tell these facts how disrespectful they were once you and your party get thwacked upon the head with the huge dose of reality that they speak to.
Pathetic, Matt. This is not a God-damn Arabian Coffee Klatch. It's how to run a responsible government. By not denying facts.
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