tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-717986195212622043.post6330806563421291659..comments2024-03-28T00:23:01.632-04:00Comments on Lem's Levity: Trump spells out his child care policyTrooper Yorkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01978703998566102194noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-717986195212622043.post-6171775477158455392016-09-14T21:41:19.769-04:002016-09-14T21:41:19.769-04:00"This is a class election not a ideology elec..."This is a class election not a ideology election. Conservatism is dead. It accomplished nothing. It is a big bag of bullshit. Small government is just not going to happen and you are full of shit if you think it is going to happen. So I want mine. I want my people the white working class to get the goodies instead of the protected classes who are the clients of the government. Clients of the Democrats. More for them is less for me and mine."<br /><br />Damn this is well said - agree 100%.rcoceanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17102201338319611538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-717986195212622043.post-27613591615889240732016-09-14T21:41:10.706-04:002016-09-14T21:41:10.706-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.ndspinellihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01446291993043775612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-717986195212622043.post-47709766148325690832016-09-14T19:24:40.996-04:002016-09-14T19:24:40.996-04:00I suppose you could argue that the gross tax reduc...I suppose you could argue that the gross tax reductions in Trump's plan should be distributed evenly to all workers rather than to parents and caregivers. And, you could argue (more successfully) that the shift in unemployment compensation funds from misallocation to new mothers is a giveaway that should be returned to employers. And, the $500 match in the childcare savings plans for low income savers does come close to meeting your complaint except that the recipients won't necessarily be non-workers.<br /><br />But those rather weak arguments and it looks like you haven't taken the time to look over the details and are just knee-jerking in an anti-government sort of way. That's often a good thing but it helps to be informed before going on record.Rabelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02612585516401001803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-717986195212622043.post-9916773935930845612016-09-14T17:48:01.385-04:002016-09-14T17:48:01.385-04:00It doesn't matter what Trump's plan is. I...It doesn't matter what Trump's plan is. If it takes money away from workers to pay non-workers, it will get corrupted like every other "good idea", and become another leftist sacred cow like all the rest." Show me one program that hasn't gone that way. Is this stuff really not understood in here? Why does Trump make you suddenly blind to what you once understood. If Clinton proposed this, you'd know exactly what's wrong with itbagoh20https://www.blogger.com/profile/10915174575358413637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-717986195212622043.post-14157980893141219852016-09-14T16:34:49.756-04:002016-09-14T16:34:49.756-04:00Good to know.Good to know.Amartelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11636450794507517534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-717986195212622043.post-57459055904707209502016-09-14T16:10:13.166-04:002016-09-14T16:10:13.166-04:00You are right Amartel. So what. It is time for the...You are right Amartel. So what. It is time for the working stiffs to get theirs instead of the illegals and the protected classes. That includes the student loan program which is the biggest rip off in the federal government.<br /><br />What do think that government is going to get smaller? Forget it. It's not. So we have to get ours. That is what Trump is doing. He is taking the issue away from the Democrats because he is going to spend the money in different ways. Not on green energy boondoggles. Not on fancy Education department oversight which is a complete and utter failure. Not on pouring money into endless wars to satisfy the neocon agenda and the oh so serious and important foreign policy establishment. <br /><br />IF we win we get the spoils. It is as simple as that. Naked self interest. It is a winning strategy which is why the NeverTrumpers and the so called conservatives hate it. Because they don't want to win. Because they know they can't win. They just want to do the kabuki dance.Trooper Yorkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01978703998566102194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-717986195212622043.post-19326581243379933052016-09-14T16:06:29.973-04:002016-09-14T16:06:29.973-04:00Between the leaks and the document dumps, this ele...Between the leaks and the document dumps, this election is the Real Housewhores of DC or Survivor election. As in any "reality" show, We see what happens for the cameras and then we get the "character's" confessionals in the form of their unvarnished thought processes in the emails, etc. Quite entertaining!<br />Apparently he said something mean about Trump, too. Because equity. That's what the story was on NPR this morning. Powell thinks Trump is bad... and has concerns about Hillary's health.<br />I bet Powell still votes for Clinton.Amartelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11636450794507517534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-717986195212622043.post-21114422065866722042016-09-14T16:04:50.142-04:002016-09-14T16:04:50.142-04:00You are exactly right Bags. I surrender. I surrend...You are exactly right Bags. I surrender. I surrender to the fact the me and my people have to get ours. The conservatives have done nothing. They accomplish nothing. They raise money and make a nice living. But who are you going to put your faith in that they will decrease the size of government? Paul Ryan? Mitch McConnell? The Freedom Caucus? Ted Cruz? It's a mugs game.<br /><br />The working man should get his. How do we pay for it? Eliminate those three departments the Trump wants to close. Get rid of all the illegals collecting government benefits. End our involvement overseas or at least get the countries involved to pay for it instead of the taxpayer. Spend money on Americans. In America. Raising their kids.<br /><br />Of course I know that it is effective because as Rabel says all the usual suspects who hate Trump and his supporters are deathly silent. They just want to talk about David Duke. <br /><br />Sellouts and quislings each and every one. Trooper Yorkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01978703998566102194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-717986195212622043.post-46954600984128554542016-09-14T16:00:07.219-04:002016-09-14T16:00:07.219-04:00Yes, in the abstract it's fine, just one more ...Yes, in the abstract it's fine, just one more brick in the pile of all the other "free" stuff subsidized by OPM.Amartelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11636450794507517534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-717986195212622043.post-3553647688250770822016-09-14T15:55:42.544-04:002016-09-14T15:55:42.544-04:00A little off topic but:
"I would rather not ...A little off topic but:<br /><br />"I would rather not have to vote for her, although she is a friend I respect. A 70-year person with a long track record, unbridled ambition, greedy,not [sic] transformational, with a husband still d**king bimbos at home (according to the NYP)."<br /><br />-Colin PowellRabelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02612585516401001803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-717986195212622043.post-89625567659268373522016-09-14T15:50:19.330-04:002016-09-14T15:50:19.330-04:00From DBQ's link I see that the maternity leave...From DBQ's link I see that the maternity leave pay would be equivalent to the state unemployment benefit.Rabelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02612585516401001803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-717986195212622043.post-63504495224284217642016-09-14T15:37:30.590-04:002016-09-14T15:37:30.590-04:00@ Bagoh
Here is the outline of Trump's plan
...@ Bagoh<br /><br />Here is the <a href="https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/fact-sheet-donald-j.-trumps-new-child-care-plan" rel="nofollow">outline of Trump's plan</a><br /><br />It seems economically sensible to me. Doesn't appear to be a giveaway of tax payer funds or a rape the rich scheme. It also doesn't seem to be a mandatory punishing program for businesses either.<br /><br />Read the summary before you get all hot and bothered. I'm not for all of it, but it does seem to be well thought out and an economically achievable program.Dust Bunny Queenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15115422951538885247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-717986195212622043.post-23294892858414890622016-09-14T15:14:44.295-04:002016-09-14T15:14:44.295-04:00Not sure I follow Your comment about keeping peopl...Not sure I follow Your comment about keeping people poor and unemployed. You have to be employed to qualify for maternity leave, you have to be employed to qualify for on-site child care, you have to be employed to qualify for the EITC. The proposals for new tax avantaged savings accounts for child care don't affect employment. Maybe you're just venting without looking over the data. <br /><br />Is this a good move by Trump? Since it is getting almost no coverage on Hot Air, PJ media and NRO I have to assume that it is.Rabelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02612585516401001803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-717986195212622043.post-40462399482674630692016-09-14T15:02:38.149-04:002016-09-14T15:02:38.149-04:00The same people who bitch about jobs leaving the c...The same people who bitch about jobs leaving the country also support the government making them unsustainable here. This is exactly the kind of thing that keeps people unemployed and poor. Why do you think the labor participation rate is so low, and half the citizens take more than they make? Because they can. Eventually, this handout will be used by illegals, the lazy, people working under the table, and flat-out frauds just like every other government program. Meanwhile companies will continue to send their jobs elsewhere, and the bitching about it will grow. It's like Democrats bitching about the plight of the cities they run. Leftism ruins everything it touches and it's out to ruin the Republican party. bagoh20https://www.blogger.com/profile/10915174575358413637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-717986195212622043.post-52120027260113961842016-09-14T14:27:50.844-04:002016-09-14T14:27:50.844-04:00Shorter Trooper: "I surrender! I'll eve...Shorter Trooper: "I surrender! I'll even carry your flag for you."bagoh20https://www.blogger.com/profile/10915174575358413637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-717986195212622043.post-35596822399693772172016-09-14T14:01:13.709-04:002016-09-14T14:01:13.709-04:00Live, walkin' aroun' commie versus fallin&...Live, walkin' aroun' commie versus fallin' over dead granny commie.<br /><br />At least he has good hair.The Dudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05354536924604187137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-717986195212622043.post-54257140741815903472016-09-14T14:00:42.855-04:002016-09-14T14:00:42.855-04:00Instapundit has a post on what we don't get to...Instapundit has a post on what we don't get told about the poor in this country:<br />Poor households routinely report spending $2.40 for every $1 of income the Census says they have.<br /><br />The average poor American lives in a house or apartment that is in good repair and has more living space than the average nonpoor person in France, Germany, or England.<br />Eighty-five percent of poor households have air conditioning.<br />Nearly three-fourths of poor households have a car or truck, and 31 percent have two or more cars or trucks.<br />Nearly two-thirds of poor households have cable or satellite TV.<br />Half have a personal computer; 43 percent have internet access.<br />Two-thirds have at least one DVD player.<br />More than half of poor families with children have a video game system, such as an Xbox or PlayStation.<br />One-third have a wide-screen plasma or LCD TV.<br /><br />Maybe sell that playstation and ditch the satellite tv so you can pay for your child care yourself.Amartelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11636450794507517534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-717986195212622043.post-3062566192880381452016-09-14T13:51:45.426-04:002016-09-14T13:51:45.426-04:00Trump is a politician. He's running for polit...Trump is a politician. He's running for political office. Enough with the fantasy that he's not "really" a politician just because the establishment bros don't like him. He's a politician.<br />Exhibit A: Pandering. It's what politicians do, make promises of free shit that other people will pay for. It may be necessary to his cause but don't call it something it's not. The taxpayer will pay for this. One more fucking promise of free shit from the almighty God of Government and paid for by hard working people. <br />It's a no class election. Amartelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11636450794507517534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-717986195212622043.post-24235748326957854922016-09-14T13:16:19.204-04:002016-09-14T13:16:19.204-04:00I am not necessarily in favor of this. I want to s...I am not necessarily in favor of this. I want to see how it falls in the whole mosaic of the changes that Trump wants to make in the tax code. But as DBQ says if it helps businesses and everyday working class Americans.<br /><br />This is a class election not a ideology election. Conservatism is dead. It accomplished nothing. It is a big bag of bullshit. Small government is just not going to happen and you are full of shit if you think it is going to happen. So I want mine. I want my people the white working class to get the goodies instead of the protected classes who are the clients of the government. Clients of the Democrats. More for them is less for me and mine.<br /><br />We are the heirs of Andrew Jackson. Trump is a Jacksonian Populist. Jackson invented or more correctly perfected the spoils system in American Politics. Look it up.Trooper Yorkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01978703998566102194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-717986195212622043.post-37981257410871013042016-09-14T11:37:38.191-04:002016-09-14T11:37:38.191-04:00There is no free lunch. How do we do it now? How...There is no free lunch. How do we do it now? How have we done it forever. Both my parents worked full time, and I was not neglected, nor did our family need our employer's help or the government to raise kids. This will be abused, expanded, and corrupted until it cost more than it helps. The main reason two earners in a family is mandatory now is because the government helps us so much. All you need for a progressive idea to get support from conservatives is to have their guy suggest it. You want kids? Plan, save, work hard, and sacrifice. Don't expect others to do it for you. bagoh20https://www.blogger.com/profile/10915174575358413637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-717986195212622043.post-68634717284148221102016-09-14T10:51:01.606-04:002016-09-14T10:51:01.606-04:00@ Bags.
You are a business man who employees many...@ Bags.<br /><br />You are a business man who employees many people. I know from your posts that you care about your employees on more than just an employee/boss relationship.<br /><br />If you could get a bottom line business deduction, or tax credit for subsidizing (giving your employees funds for child care) or optimally providing a child care facility on site, would you consider this a benefit for your company and for your employees? Would it help or harm your business? Assuming that the offset cost or tax credit would be affordable that is. Obviously you would have to crunch the numbers.<br /><br />Again a small company, with a slim margin already (like a mom & pop restaurant) would have a hard time financially with this, so I would also hate to see it become a mandate. If it did become a mandate, expect the elderly to become more employable :-) Not likely to get pregnant and have kids.Dust Bunny Queenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15115422951538885247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-717986195212622043.post-16469302370244199022016-09-14T10:45:21.155-04:002016-09-14T10:45:21.155-04:00A tax deduction for big companies like Google etc,...A tax deduction for big companies like Google etc, that provide child care either on site or that provide a subsidy to an offsite child care facility for working mothers and fathers is actually a pretty good idea. And would be cost effective in the long run for the company.<br /><br />It keeps the employee around to do the work, instead of calling in sick every time the kid has the sniffles. This way productivity and continuity in the workplace is improved. Also the parent's are happier at their job because the gigantic cost and burden of finding quality child care is taken away and the worker will be more likely to remain in their position.<br /><br />I didn't hear his plan so I'm just guessing that is what he meant by tax credits.<br /><br />However, the same cost/burden placed on a small business, a mom and pop store or less than 25 employees would be crushing to the company.<br /><br />A tax credit for the personal return is also a nice idea for those parents who do not work for a company that provides for child care, yet still have to shell out THOUSANDS of dollars a year for babysitting, pre school and other child care. Yes it would reduce their income tax burden a bit.<br /><br />However, if the small reduction in taxes from those tax payers is offset by elimination of some of the most egregious and redundant government programs, eliminating whole departments, waste and fraud......It would be a Yuge thing!<br /><br />Economically it makes sense and anytime you can reduce government it is better for everyone.Dust Bunny Queenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15115422951538885247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-717986195212622043.post-11536492667220307122016-09-14T10:43:32.662-04:002016-09-14T10:43:32.662-04:00Remember, bags, that Trump isn't a politician....Remember, bags, that Trump isn't a politician. He's not beholden to anyone.AllenShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08848966772462502893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-717986195212622043.post-51803936198060708982016-09-14T10:27:22.020-04:002016-09-14T10:27:22.020-04:00If you want to take people's money by force (t...If you want to take people's money by force (to get votes), don't use a gun - use a child....<br />and call yourself a Democrat. I expect a President Trump to be another government growing spender. He will want to buy love and approval like all the rest: his legacy - our bill. Same old shit. We have never had a conservative President, or even a nominee.bagoh20https://www.blogger.com/profile/10915174575358413637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-717986195212622043.post-70551781096730690212016-09-14T09:58:11.632-04:002016-09-14T09:58:11.632-04:00Checking my property taxes, I see that more than h...Checking my property taxes, I see that more than half of my money goes to the school district. I haven't been in school since 1964. I have no children in the school district. Something tells me, that if Trump can find a way to use schooling as a business arrangement between parents of school children and schools, that will be a step in the right direction on improving schools.<br /><br />GO TRUMP!AllenShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08848966772462502893noreply@blogger.com