tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-717986195212622043.post5222803545192088997..comments2024-03-28T00:23:01.632-04:00Comments on Lem's Levity: Trump is going ahead with a campaign promiseTrooper Yorkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01978703998566102194noreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-717986195212622043.post-2603937316480278362017-01-30T15:07:38.389-05:002017-01-30T15:07:38.389-05:00Thanks, Leland.Thanks, Leland.XRayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01845325507655999168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-717986195212622043.post-78822597559264846802017-01-30T14:11:54.650-05:002017-01-30T14:11:54.650-05:00Xray, Obama pulled out of Iraq, and then put troop...Xray, Obama pulled out of Iraq, and then put troops back into Iraq.<br /><br />Anyway, the <a href="https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/01/27/executive-order-protecting-nation-foreign-terrorist-entry-united-states" rel="nofollow">EO</a> now posted at Whitehouse.govLelandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09531159384688653131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-717986195212622043.post-27963339977067715162017-01-29T21:49:33.662-05:002017-01-29T21:49:33.662-05:00Not to nitpick... "First off, we don't ha...Not to nitpick... "First off, we don't have "open borders." No country does.", but what is the EU, then, exactly.<br /><br />Though I'll nitpick again... true, our Southern border is not precisely open, but it is damn sure porous enough for the distinction to little matter.<br /><br />I don't know about anyone else, but xenophobia enters not into my thoughts on a secure border. I just want vetting, at least some knowledge of purpose, and then allowed or not.<br /><br />I don't want another 9/11, or worse.<br /><br />Leland. I'm somewhat surprised that the O did not shut down Gitmo. Especially after his re-election, when he had nothing to lose. Though he succeeded in pulling out of Iraq, leaving an utter fricking mess for someone else to clean up.XRayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01845325507655999168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-717986195212622043.post-33366517298846331112017-01-29T20:14:27.373-05:002017-01-29T20:14:27.373-05:00Yes XRay, Trump is doing exactly what he promised....Yes XRay, Trump is doing exactly what he promised. Remember the last guy, who said day 1 he would shut down Gitmo and get us out of Iraq? Good times, good times.Lelandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09531159384688653131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-717986195212622043.post-26496299424935872862017-01-29T18:34:48.769-05:002017-01-29T18:34:48.769-05:00Ritmo, if you're open borders, an idea/l with ...<i>Ritmo, if you're open borders, an idea/l with which you seem to concur, then you're a globalist by definition.</i><br /><br />First off, we don't have "open borders." No country does. <br /><br />As far as less obsession on the southern border, I don't have a set opinion on that. But figure it represents a lot of xenophobia and not much else. Again, under Obama there's been a net negative rate of migration across that border. Will it really do as much as we need for the working class? Again, I doubt it. But I'm agnostic. If that's the trial balloon that far-right Republicans want to float in exchange for more focus on the working class, I'm willing to throw them that bone. But I don't have faith in much of what Trump's doing (highlighting attention to the causes of what he addresses, however, is a different issue). But we'll see. And I'm not going to just say that all his sloppy ham-fisted heaviness is ok because of the purity of the aim and the strength of his resolve. Oftentimes that matters just as much.Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Togetherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02059991118123693141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-717986195212622043.post-87400000837078629502017-01-29T16:35:25.290-05:002017-01-29T16:35:25.290-05:00As I said you never get 100% of what you want. The...As I said you never get 100% of what you want. The fact of the matter they should have made provision for green card holders and people already approved for visas that were in transit. But those people will be processed in the next few days. <br /><br />What you can't do is send it out for studies and comments and watering down by the duopoly. Not if you want to accomplish anything. You do it and then fix the glitches. <br /><br />Of course the media lies about this. The Trump administration did not pick these countries at the expense of Saudi Arabia. They used the countries previously designated by the Obama Administration and the Congress. They didn't add to it. They didn't do it on the basis of being a "Muslim" country since many majority Muslim countries like Indonesia, India and Pakistan were not included. These countries are basically failed states and the terror capital Iran. We can always tweek the list but saying it is a Muslim ban and that Trump excluded Saudi Arabia because of his business ties is just a flat out blatant lie by the media, the liberals, the Democrats and the people who think we should import more Muslim terrorists. Trooper Yorkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01978703998566102194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-717986195212622043.post-28909888297348549062017-01-29T14:12:19.867-05:002017-01-29T14:12:19.867-05:00Yes, Leland, agree, lots of questions. And though ...Yes, Leland, agree, lots of questions. And though I loathe quoting the NYTimes it appears there has been a <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/29/us/politics/white-house-official-in-reversal-says-green-card-holders-wont-be-barred.html?smid=pl-share&_r=0" rel="nofollow">Reversal of the Green Card ruling</a>. I'll reiterate, though apparently a tad hasty with resulting corresponding glitches, Trump has done exactly what he campaigned on and what the voters who elected him expected him to do. The other side knows this as well, yet still chooses to get their panties in a wad. I don't care.<br /><br />Ritmo, if you're open borders, an idea/l with which you seem to concur, then you're a globalist by definition. XRayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01845325507655999168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-717986195212622043.post-47358267260464335132017-01-29T12:32:37.599-05:002017-01-29T12:32:37.599-05:00Why, why, why, indeed, Leland? Why is Trump a liar...Why, why, why, indeed, Leland? Why is Trump a liar? Why did he trot out fake "files" at his first post-election press conference that detailed all the divestment he never <i>really</i> undertook? Can't be because the guy's a liar and a faker. He's as honest as they come. <br /><br />Jesus Christ. I'm willing to give the guy a chance. Not to just blindly believe whatever the congenital liar says. I know, he covers himself by talking out of both sides of his mouth. But interestingly enough, most people don't consider that to be a form of "honesty."<br /><br />I guess O'Reilly will have to explain it to them. Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Togetherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02059991118123693141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-717986195212622043.post-10855521045777142082017-01-29T12:14:36.793-05:002017-01-29T12:14:36.793-05:00Xray, et al;
From Legal Insurrection; I discovere...Xray, et al;<br /><br />From <a href="http://legalinsurrection.com/2017/01/most-claims-about-trumps-visa-executive-order-are-false-or-misleading/" rel="nofollow">Legal Insurrection</a>; I discovered that the EO posted at the WhiteHouse.gov is not the <a href="http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/28/politics/text-of-trump-executive-order-nation-ban-refugees/" rel="nofollow">EO</a> that is in the news (link goes to CNN text of EO). However, I can't find the other EO anywhere on WhiteHouse.gov or DHS.gov, the latter does have a response to the Judge issuing a stay against the EO, which is legal considering how many times <a href="http://freebeacon.com/politics/study-obama-worst-record-supreme-court-modern-history/" rel="nofollow">Obama was stopped by the judicial branch</a>. But the stay is just a stay, not a final ruling.<br /><br />I'll also say that the EO available from CNN is much tougher (and definitely different) than what I found at WhiteHouse.gov. Still, its tough wording is completely consistent with the written law, much of the significant parts of that law having been signed in by Obama.<br /><br />Of course, lots more questions: Why is the EO not posted at WhiteHouse.gov? Why does CNN say the EO pertains to 7 countries, yet the EO is actually silent on the 7 countries until you get to the law signed by Obama? Why do fact checkers think it was cool when Obama quietly enacted the law against only Iraq for 6 months, but absolutely tyranny when Trump enacts the law for 90 days without singling out countries not already singled out by the law? Why does the Press say it is only against Muslims, when the EO only says religious minorities? And a bunch more questions that come up after reading Legal Insurrection.Lelandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09531159384688653131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-717986195212622043.post-25833750931855476332017-01-29T12:05:21.952-05:002017-01-29T12:05:21.952-05:00You're so easy to juice, Ritmo. Does it really...<i>You're so easy to juice, Ritmo. Does it really make a difference if wall or fence if no one can go beyond it? You've really sucked in on the Marketing... of your mind, by progressive/globalist/socialist/communist thought. You need to wake up, you'd be better for it in doing so.</i><br /><br />LOLOL! Talk about easy to goose! Yes, we all know that right-wing bias is not really a form of bias. The billions (more?) spent on a whatever to keep the net outflow of deported Mexicans is really a top priority. Chop chop! Thanks for calling me a "globalist". I'm sure all your corporate Republicans have always been anti-free trade and will just jump on board with this once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to go nativist since TRUMP will now win elections for them and not their donors - who BTW seem to comprise the majority of his cabinet. The swamp has been drained - OF DECENCY - and now you have a cabinet with a combined net worth of more than a third of America. Graft away, my friend. Graft away. Make sure Ben Carson does his best direct housing policy in ways that benefit his new master. Just think of it, Trump settling for a fence (which we already have) instead of a nice, big, stupendous tremendous beautiful wall. His fucking head would explode. Don't worry about global cabals; you have enough trouble understanding a single man. Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Togetherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02059991118123693141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-717986195212622043.post-72524396532643074592017-01-29T10:31:42.250-05:002017-01-29T10:31:42.250-05:00Ok, so there is a different EO apparently, and odd...Ok, so there is a different EO apparently, and oddly, it is not up at Whitehouse.gov. Legal Insurrection provided a link to <a href="http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/28/politics/text-of-trump-executive-order-nation-ban-refugees/" rel="nofollow">CNN</a>, which has a text of a different EO. The EO CNN has it is directed specifically to stopping terrorism, and is a bit more powerful, but again, it is mostly directing DHS to enforce a law signed by Obama. About the major thing Trump does is make some designations within the context of the law, which actually seem to already been a part of the law. To wit, here's a pull quote:<br /><br />"<i>I hereby proclaim that the immigrant and nonimmigrant entry into the United States of aliens from countries referred to in section 217(a)(12) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1187(a)(12), would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, and I hereby suspend entry into the United States, as immigrants and nonimmigrants, of such persons for 90 days from the date of this order </i>"<br /><br />I haven't fully read this CNN EO yet for a couple of reasons. First and foremost, I'm concerned that I'm reading it on CNN and not Whitehouse.gov, which has published other EO's, including a new item marked 28 January (while CNN's EO says 27 January). Why doesn't the Whitehouse post this item? At the moment, to be fair to CNN and the Whitehouse; I'll assume some body is slow in updating the website at Whitehouse.gov. Another issue is that CNN's web advertisement makes reading the EO difficult. Finally, much of the advertisement includes links to other CNN articles that are opinions on the EO, apparently because most people who get their news from CNN need someone to tell them what they just read. As Trump does a good job of communicating around the media; I want to see what he has to say, and read it on the Whitehouse website.<br /><br />Still; I'll grant that this EO is a bit more menacing, but considering its topic, terrorism, it should be.Lelandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09531159384688653131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-717986195212622043.post-89016140451054927272017-01-29T10:06:26.783-05:002017-01-29T10:06:26.783-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Lelandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09531159384688653131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-717986195212622043.post-90748915397161994702017-01-29T07:29:41.824-05:002017-01-29T07:29:41.824-05:00If I was POTUS, I wouldn't have enacted a tota...If I was POTUS, I wouldn't have enacted a total ban from those countries, but set a limit of the number of immigrants from <i>all</i> countries. Such as Somalia = 2, Iran = 1...AllenShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08848966772462502893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-717986195212622043.post-12051857128563495302017-01-28T21:48:07.468-05:002017-01-28T21:48:07.468-05:00You're so easy to juice, Ritmo. Does it really...You're so easy to juice, Ritmo. Does it really make a difference if wall or fence if no one can go beyond it? You've really sucked in on the Marketing... of your mind, by progressive/globalist/socialist/communist thought. You need to wake up, you'd be better for it in doing so.<br /><br />Leland, thanks for your further exploration of the EO on 'green cards'. I'll take a wait and see at this point.XRayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01845325507655999168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-717986195212622043.post-51432305037696125162017-01-28T20:15:04.018-05:002017-01-28T20:15:04.018-05:00The "Wall" is self-defeating nonsense. O...The "Wall" is self-defeating nonsense. Obama had a net deportation rate to Mexico that exceeded any entries. <br /><br />Even Israel's "wall" is mostly fence. And they've got actual terrorists to keep out, not made-up "rapists, etc." <br /><br />The wall is a monument to Trump's ego and need to erect big things with his name on them. It's the silliest of all his ideas, no matter how much it riles up the red meat machine. Marketing and reality are different things. Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Togetherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02059991118123693141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-717986195212622043.post-54355336291946756702017-01-28T20:10:07.855-05:002017-01-28T20:10:07.855-05:00This isn't rocket scientist
Apparently it doe...<i>This isn't rocket scientist</i><br /><br />Apparently it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that the saying is, "This isn't rocket science." <br /><br />Leland, you flub and disappoint me. Again, your armchair lawyering/governmenting is impressive. But the public relations disaster of playing it off like some fiat thing does no one any good. Ask your other "rocket science" friends. 9 out 10 rocket scientists agree: If your executive order is a way to enforce a previously unenforced law, make that clear. Make that the centerpiece of your little P.R. coup. I know you hate the American people, but sometimes all that contempt for them gets so staged as to become self-defeating. <br /><br />Other than that, bravo! I'm sure you'll make Sean Spicer proud. Are you able to chew and swallow 40 Orbit gum pieces in a day? While getting angry and saying what Trump believes are "facts" by virtue of his belief in them? Leland, we've got a job for you!Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Togetherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02059991118123693141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-717986195212622043.post-76493718555342996852017-01-28T19:34:08.743-05:002017-01-28T19:34:08.743-05:00Trump needs an executive order to enforce existing...<i>Trump needs an executive order to enforce existing law! </i><br /><br />Nope. He didn't need it. He provided it to make it clear what he expects from the people who work for him, that's why its called an order.<br /><br />Try this; go to a restaurant, stand there and do nothing, and then see what happens. After awhile, try placing an order, and see if things happen more to your liking. This isn't rocket scientist, but fortunately for you, I'm a rocket scientist so I can explain even that to you too.Lelandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09531159384688653131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-717986195212622043.post-65704652811226979762017-01-28T19:26:33.616-05:002017-01-28T19:26:33.616-05:00I'm stocking up on avocados.I'm stocking up on avocados. ndspinellihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01446291993043775612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-717986195212622043.post-57780024116966774052017-01-28T19:15:00.100-05:002017-01-28T19:15:00.100-05:00Another example is funding for the wall. Some of t...Another example is funding for the wall. Some of the money had already been appropriated but Obama never used it. So he is going to go to Congress to get the rest and will shake it out of the beaners one way or another. The Congress will go along. At least the Republicans will or be at the mercy of a twitter blast that will run them out of office. They are cowards. Pissant cucks and Trump will steamroll them. Watch and see.<br /><br />They are all Little Marcos.Trooper Yorkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01978703998566102194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-717986195212622043.post-47778396313002757802017-01-28T19:11:42.605-05:002017-01-28T19:11:42.605-05:00He has to use a Presidential memorandum to enforce...He has to use a Presidential memorandum to enforce existing law because Obama circumvented the law by executive fiat. That is what he did with DACA. That is what Obama did with catch and release. It is simply reversing the previous administrations directives.<br /><br />If he just enforces the laws that are on the books he will be fine. What Obama did was have bureaucrats issue regulations that were contra to the law. That is why Obama has lost so many cases in the Courts.<br /><br />Trooper Yorkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01978703998566102194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-717986195212622043.post-46401579380665006132017-01-28T19:08:45.910-05:002017-01-28T19:08:45.910-05:00The fights with the media is strategic. While the ...The fights with the media is strategic. While the media is chasing squirrels about how he "lied" about things such as crowd size and illegal voters...they are not concentrating and attacking his substantive moves in things like the pipeline, freezing government hiring and freeing up the energy industry. He is doing so many things the dolts in the press can't handle it so they focus on trivialities because they are trivial people. <br /><br />As far as expecting every one will think his acts are right....that is never in the cards for anyone. He has a rock solid 40% who are totally behind him. There is a rock solid 40% totally against him. The 20% in the middle are what is important.<br /><br />Casey Stengel used to say that there were ten guys who loved the manager because they got to play. There were 10 guys who hated the manager because they didn't get to play. If you wanted to control the team you need to keep the five remaining guys on your side.<br /><br />The people in the middle include the squishy Rhinos types who are scared of his twitter account right now. He can intimidate them and keep them in line. See Little Marco and his bogus attempt to not vote for Tillerson. The rest of the undecided are the low information types. If he can keep pointing to the lies that the media tells the low information voter is not going to get all excited about the press caterwauling about something. It becomes noise. They can't gang rape him the way they did to Bush. That is the reason for the war to the knife with the press. They are never going to be fair. So he doesn't have to be fair. He has to pump up the alternative media and offer a competing narrative that the low information voter can hang their red MAGA cap on.<br /><br />That is why Spicer should call on the National Enquirer first in his next press conference.<br /><br />Kellyanne and Bannon know what they are doing.Trooper Yorkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01978703998566102194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-717986195212622043.post-31336768694757812732017-01-28T19:05:21.010-05:002017-01-28T19:05:21.010-05:00Oh! So now Trump needs an executive order to enfor...Oh! So now Trump needs an executive order to enforce existing law! So clear! I guess that's why they marketed it to the public this way. <br /><br />Pigeons <i>do</i> run the place. Watch what <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2015/dec/10/donald-trump-attacked-by-american-bald-eagle-video" rel="nofollow">this bird</a> can do. <br /><br />So... just a matter of enforcing an existing law, and yet, even the media-attacking Chief Tantrum Thrower couldn't manage to make a point of that. (Was Twitter down?) Another public relations disaster by Team Trump. But who needs the <i>American people</i> with you when you can make so many dang enemies out of such a small thing. Making enemies is fun. Drama. Wheee! How's my hair? Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Togetherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02059991118123693141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-717986195212622043.post-7165090953039432712017-01-28T18:46:08.438-05:002017-01-28T18:46:08.438-05:00policy was consistent, he'd also include Saudi...<i>policy was consistent, he'd also include Saudis</i><br /><br />So much wrong in just a few words here.<br /><br />The policy doesn't exclude Saudis or Pakistanis or anyone else related to terrorism. Here's the <a href="https://www.whitehouse.gov/america-first-foreign-policy" rel="nofollow">policy</a>. Immigration is controlled by Congress per a SCOTUS decision that relates to Congress Constitutional power regarding naturalization. Thus immigration law is set by Congressional action first and then signed by a President. An Executive Order is not a bill from Congress to sign into law. The law, which was recently revised by a bill passed by Congress in 2015 and signed by Obama, calls out the 7 states. Obama, after signing the law, decided to order that the law not be enforced, because I think he didn't understand his Oath of Office and Obama lacked consistency (and yeah, we all dealt with it for 8 years; so perhaps you can try 8 days?). Trump's EO essentially says, "DHS, go enforce the law as written". Trump can do that, because he has the authority to execute the laws of the United States which he may recall from his Oath of Office. Again, those laws doesn't include Saudi Arabia for this particular issue.<br /><br />When there is that much wrong in just the first sentence of an argument; there really isn't any point in believing in rational discussion. Alas, your just banging on Step 4, which is as predictable as the pigeon playing chess knocking off the pieces, taking a dumb on the board, and strutting around like it owns the place.Lelandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09531159384688653131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-717986195212622043.post-82612286371801925932017-01-28T18:32:28.094-05:002017-01-28T18:32:28.094-05:00X-Ray; I'm still trying to figure out the gree...X-Ray; I'm still trying to figure out the green-card thing. The <a href="https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/01/25/executive-order-border-security-and-immigration-enforcement-improvements" rel="nofollow">EO</a> available on the White House website covers Mexico and Refugees. My reading of some comments suggest that isn't the EO regarding the terrorists states, but I don't see anything else. What PJMedia reports is what a former counsel to the Obama Administration claims the EO may mean, which is meaningless. My reading of the EO is that it gives the Secretary of Homeland Security some authority that is otherwise granted to the AG by the law, and otherwise tells the Secretary of Homeland Security to enforce the written law. The written law and the EO are pretty specific about aliens that violated US immigration law or have not received admittance. The EO also mentions refugees, which I don't understand how a refugee would have a green card and then violated US immigration laws.Lelandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09531159384688653131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-717986195212622043.post-89662240556111663212017-01-28T18:24:19.266-05:002017-01-28T18:24:19.266-05:00Well that's because his approach is not all go...Well that's because his approach is not all good. A war on the media is as much a distraction as it is a strategy and people rightly respond to that. His ego is a double-edged sword. I don't suppose his single-mindedness will be all bad, but it will cause some disasters too. We're saying the same thing. You seem to say people shouldn't focus on the number and details and heavy-handedness of his acts, but that's kind of hard to ignore or not respond to. He hates people not assuming the best in him, but doing that many things that quickly and that forcefully invites consideration. The people are not going to just go, "Ok whatever Trump does, it's great. His balls are so big! <B. No, they're going to react. The people on the hiring committee who did or did not go along with the hiring committee's decisions don't just get voted off. Keeping campaign promises gets him points for honesty. (Obama kept many of his campaign promises, too). But just being wily or strong-willed doesn't mean that everyone's going to accept that the acts are right. Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Togetherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02059991118123693141noreply@blogger.com