Tuesday, April 11, 2017

China 'deploys 150,000 troops

via Drudge:  The Chinese army has reportedly deployed 150,000 troops to the North Korean border to prepare for pre-emptive attacks after the United States dropped airstrikes on Syria.

President Donald Trump's missile strike on Syria on Friday was widely interpreted as a warning to North Korea.

And now China, left shocked by the air strikes, has deployed medical and backup units from the People's Liberation Army forces to the Yalu River, Korea's Chosun.com reported.

The troops have been dispatched to handle North Korean refugees and 'unforeseen circumstances', such as the prospect of preemptive attacks on North Korea, the news agency said.

Meanwhile, the US Navy has moved the USS Carl Vinson aircraft carrier strike group from Singapore to North Korea after the country conducted more missile testing.

30 comments:

edutcher said...

They are taking him seriously.

Funny what a couple of holes in an airfield will do.

AllenS said...

Maybe, just maybe, the Chinese are there to send a message to N Korea, not to do anything stupid.

edutcher said...

That's the other point. The Reds have no desire to host a lot of Norks the way the Demos do here.

Trooper York said...

China is operating in their own national interest. Just what we should do.

That is not attacking North Korea for South Korea and Japan. Once again this is not our problem. Do we really want to take the chance that this madman has a missile that can hit Hawaii for example?

Listen to General Washington. Avoid foreign entanglements. Listen to Ike. Beware of the Military/Industrial complex. Listen to Muhammad Ali. Them Viet Congs never did nuthin to me.

Trooper York said...

US Military News.com
UPDATE: After widespread reporting worldwide, and the NASDAQ stating that the news affected financial markets, China has denied the report by one of South Korea’s largest newspapers that China had deployed 150,000 troops to the North Korean border, mainly medical and backup units. The Chinese Foreign Ministry has denied these movements. The story was originally reported by one of the most widely read newspapers in South Korea, Chosun, that has a circulation of over 1,800,000. The U.S. Dept. of Defense told the Daily Caller that there “is no evidence” of any significant troop movements along the Chinese-North Korean border.

Trooper York said...

The South Korean press reported this. They are just as unreliable as the US press.

We need to stay out of North Korea.

Methadras said...

Troop, you seem awfully hand wringy and nervous.

Dad Bones said...

How do we go about avoiding an entanglement with North Korea? Bill Clinton sent Madeline Allbright over there with money and champagne only to end up with their nukes pointed at us. I don't think Trump wants a war with them so my wild guess is he's trying to scare them into thinking he's crazy enough to do just that. There must be more than a few Norks who wish little Kim was dead. Maybe they'll get brave enough to try it.

edutcher said...

As I noted elsewhere, every time it looks like the peasantry in Nork is starving so bad they just might do something about it, the Kims rattle their nucular saber so the West gets scared and sends them whatever they want.

Trump isn't going for it (millions for defense and all that) and the flop sweat is showing.

Trooper York said...

Listen to General Washington. Avoid foreign entanglements

You do realize we had clipper ships in the China trade while he was President. Likewise in the Mediterranean, where they were menaced by the Barbary pirates, until Tom had to do something about it.

Listen to Ike. Beware of the Military/Industrial complex.

Interesting he never had much to say about the Welfare/Industrial complex because he sure helped that grow.

Listen to Muhammad Ali. Them Viet Congs never did nuthin to me.

Moslem to duck the draft. Not to mention Parkinson's and a few too many blows to the head.

Sixty Grit said...

Lob some nukes at Poontang, kill the fat boy with the bad haircut, then move the USS Carl Vinson on to better duties, like tossing dead terrorists off the main deck.

Rabel said...

A few points, but I feel like I'm arguing with a wall:

1. If not for his entanglement with France, Washington would have ended up hanging from the Tree of Liberty. Alliances are and have always been a useful tool of national policy and require effort from both sides.

2. Trump did not promise or campaign on the full isolationist policy you are pushing. Why would he propose a stronger military and a larger Navy if he planned to completely withdraw from our foreign involvements and retreat behind the oceans?

3. China is acting in its own interests. You got that one right. How is having a maniac armed with deliverable nuclear weapons on their border in that interest?

4. I don't understand this statement - "Do we really want to take the chance that this madman has a missile that can hit Hawaii for example?" That would seem to favor a retreat from a potential threat which would inevitably lead to it becoming an actual threat. That sort of pacifistic cowardice only emboldens out enemies and eventually leads to war. See Chamberlain, Neville. Nuclear war in this case. Perhaps I have misunderstood your meaning.

Total isolationism is akin to hiding under the covers and hoping the bad guy will go away. He won't. Because he is a bad guy and he means you harm. Wake the fuck up.

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Trooper York said...

"I don't understand this statement - "Do we really want to take the chance that this madman has a missile that can hit Hawaii for example?" That would seem to favor a retreat from a potential threat which would inevitably lead to it becoming an actual threat. That sort of pacifistic cowardice only emboldens out enemies and eventually leads to war. See Chamberlain, Neville. Nuclear war in this case. Perhaps I have misunderstood your meaning."

Nobody with nuclear weapons has been as dangerous as Pakistan. Full of Muslim fanatics they are a true threat to us. The only thing that holds them in check is their natural enemy India. Should we destroy Pakistan's nuclear capability because we are afraid that some Muslim terrorist will be given a bomb?

The douche in Korea has been crazy for a long time. As his father was before him. His designs do not really deal with the US. It deals with South Korea and Japan. Of course his natural antagonist is China. China is the antagonist to all of those smaller countries. Tibet. Vietnam. Cambodia. They are the ones who have to handle Korea. It is part of their hegemony. It would be as if China decided to invade Mexico to stop the drug trade. We would not stand for that. We need to put it to the Chinese that it is in their national interest to take out the dummy. Give them South Korea in exchange. Take our guys home.Let the two Korea's merge and be a client state of China like Vietnam.

We need to play realpolitik. Not War.

Trooper York said...

"Trump did not promise or campaign on the full isolationist policy you are pushing. Why would he propose a stronger military and a larger Navy if he planned to completely withdraw from our foreign involvements and retreat behind the oceans?"

He campaigned on not getting involved in wars all over the globe. He campaigned on making NATO pay for their fair share or we get out. He campaigned as an isolationist not as a John McCain sticking his nose in every shit hole in the world globalist.

You build up your army and navy so as to stop it before it starts. It is like hiring a bouncer. You can have a martial arts guy who might be the toughest fighter in the world but if he is a little guy somebody will always test him. If you get a huge monstrous dude it stops before it even starts. That is what the buildup is for. Not to waste our blood and treasure on gooks and ragheads. Let them rot.

America First.

Trooper York said...

I am nervous. I don't think you should fuck around with a crazy guy. Unless you are willing to take him out and his whole infrastructure. Are we willing to do that? Bomb them. Maybe nuke them. Next to China's border. For what?

Let him stew in his own juices. Don't listen to the neocons and the media whores and everyone that wants to start wars all over the globe. They will be the first ones to stab you in the back. Look at fuckin' McCain. He blames Assad using RAID on those cockroaches on the fact that Trump said he wasn't interested in regime change. These assholes just want a war so they can be all big and important and on all the shows talking about big and important things. Instead of being a senile douche who nobody listens too anymore.

I want us to worry about American Interests. For America. Not for these cockroaches. Every Syrian that Assad kills is one less raping Swedish girls. It is not our problem.

edutcher said...

Have to go with Rabel on most of his/her (that Morticia avatar always throws me) points.


1. If not for his entanglement with France, Washington would have ended up hanging from the Tree of Liberty. Alliances are and have always been a useful tool of national policy and require effort from both sides.

Speaks for itself. George wanted us to pick out friends and enemies judiciously, but, even at the dawn of the 19th century, we were doing business over most of the world (did you know we were sending ships in the China trade around the Cape of Good Hope as well as Around The Horn?).

2. Trump did not promise or campaign on the full isolationist policy you are pushing. Why would he propose a stronger military and a larger Navy if he planned to completely withdraw from our foreign involvements and retreat behind the oceans?

Partly true. It's impossible to withdraw from the world and think we'll be safe. The best deterrent is a strong force. What he wants is for some of our "allies" to start pulling their weight.

4. I don't understand this statement - "Do we really want to take the chance that this madman has a missile that can hit Hawaii for example?" That would seem to favor a retreat from a potential threat which would inevitably lead to it becoming an actual threat. That sort of pacifistic cowardice only emboldens out enemies and eventually leads to war. See Chamberlain, Neville. Nuclear war in this case. Perhaps I have misunderstood your meaning.

That's how this started. Kim Ill Wind or whoever he is started testing missiles in Japan's direction and started making noises about Hawaii (as long as Pissy is there...). If you look at how Dolf get so much of Europe (not to mention how Tojo cowed the US), you know you always take the threat seriously and do something about it.

Red China's interest is making sure we don't have to Shock And Awe the Norks to protect ourselves.

Trooper York said...

He campaigned on not getting involved in wars all over the globe. He campaigned on making NATO pay for their fair share or we get out. He campaigned as an isolationist not as a John McCain sticking his nose in every shit hole in the world globalist.

You're right on 1 and 2. He did not, repeat not, campaign as an isolationist He campaigned as someone who promised to pick his fights carefully.

Nobody with nuclear weapons has been as dangerous as Pakistan. Full of Muslim fanatics they are a true threat to us. The only thing that holds them in check is their natural enemy India. Should we destroy Pakistan's nuclear capability because we are afraid that some Muslim terrorist will be given a bomb?

Works for me.

Trooper York said...

I guess you guys are the war party. You think we should waste American money and lives on these worthless sacks of shit. Just like we did in Korea. Vietnam. Iraq.

Did we not learn anything? Ever?

What did we get out of all the money and lives we squandered?

Trooper York said...

I value our money and our soldiers and sailors lives too much to squander them on adventures to make McCain and Graham come in their pants.

Stop the endless wars and spend the money on putting Americans back to work. I want a chicken in every pot and a gas guzzling car in every garage. Every man a King!

edutcher said...

No, we're not the war party, but we're not Charles Lindbergh and Old Joe Kennedy, either.

Nobody's looking for a war, but you're forgetting the lessons of 80 years ago. You might want to quit watching the soap operas and the surreality shows and watch some of the Hitler channels.

BTW, found this linked in a good Surber piece about how some of the freaking out over this one strike is being short-sighted.

Turns out those 150,000 Reds may not be there, after all.

Trooper York said...

That's exactly the problem ed. You are the war party if you buy into the nonsense that we are responsible for Syria and North Korea and Ufuckistan. You are the one who is forgetting the lessons of the last 80 years. Blood and treasure squandered. For what?

Trooper York said...

McCain and Graham and the Deep State is looking for a war. They promote it. They demand it. The media plays it up because they want Trump to make a fatal error and be destroyed by it. The way they did to the Bushes. They want to promote a war and then tie it to Trump's tail. Because there can be no good outcomes. They don't have the balls to do a William Tecumseh Sherman style war. So we are going to half way it. Bomb an airfield. Drone here and drone there. Instead of Hiroshima their filthy asses. If we are going to war we need to go to war. None of this pin prick shit. Dresden the fuck out them. Nits make lice. Otherwise stay out of it. Nothing good will come of this. Nothing.

edutcher said...

Trooper York said...

That's exactly the problem ed. You are the war party if you buy into the nonsense that we are responsible for Syria and North Korea and Ufuckistan.

When did I ever say we were responsible for them?

I did say we have trade interests and it's been part of US policy to protect them since Thomas Jefferson. If not, why have a Navy?

My point's always been Trump did this to let people know he's not Mr Lead Out Of His Behind. Not that he's starting any kind of intervention.

McCain and Graham and the Deep State is looking for a war. They promote it. They demand it. The media plays it up because they want Trump to make a fatal error and be destroyed by it. The way they did to the Bushes

Couldn't agree more. And I think Trump understands that, which is why you haven't seen any follow up. As I've said, he's not going to war. He's just sending a message.

AllenS said...

TY, calm down. There are enough competent men in charge.

Trooper York said...

I am very calm Allen.

I just don't want guys like you to have to go fight somewhere because of assholes like Bill Kristol and John McCain. It is always a rich mans war and a poor mans fight.

If the Alt Right base of Donald Trumps coalition doesn't stand strong and vehemently against foreign entanglements we will be lead down the Garden Path by the Deep State. That is their plan. It is insidious as they are using Trumps ego and vanity against his interest. I hope and pray that he is smart enough to see it.

Like Ann Coulter and Vox Day I want to speak out against it in my little corner of the internet. I don't think it means anything but I still have to say it.

There are always competent men in charge. In your day they were called the "Best and the Brightest."

AllenS said...

TY, I'm too old to go fight somewhere else, but I can, and will, fight here.

Trooper York said...

As would any real American. Keep our people here. Not over there.

Fuck Woodrow Wilson. If he never got involved the Germans would have won World War 1. Hitler would never have happened. The Jews were a vital part of the German Empire. There would have been no Holocaust.

Woodrow Wilson was the John McCain of his day. Except he got elected President so he got to cause a lot more trouble than that senile douche can as a mere corrupt Senator.

Trooper York said...

Unintended consequences. Join a war you have no business in and 13 million Jews die.

Attack a tin pot dictator and a stray nuke blows up my favorite vacation spot.

Unintended consequences.

Don't any of you war mongers have a clue?

edutcher said...

Trooper York said...

Join a war you have no business in and 13 million Jews die.

Your history is a little off. Those 5 1/2 million Jews were going to die whether Dolf declared war on us (and he did) or not.

Goeing planned for a 6 engine Amerika bomber to pound US cities. Granted, it was intended to cross the the Atlantic and back, but Argentina and Uruguay would have made it a shorter hop. The B-29 was not designed to hit Tokyo from the Marianas or northern Luzon, but to hit Buenos Aires from Miami.

AllenS said...

War is messy, and causes a lot of damage. That's why we send young men to other countries and fuck their shit up.

Trooper York said...

Ed you don't get it. The Jews were an important part of Imperial Germany. That fact was the basis of the Nazi's hatred of them. They said they stabbed the country in the back during the war.

If the Kaiser had won the Nazi's would never have risen. There might not have been a Depression. The Americans went to war to preserve the British Empire. The First World War was just a replay of the Franco Prussian War. It was European-centric. By getting involved Wilson opened the gates to Fortress America.

If the Kaiser had won and remained in power the Jews would never have been massacred. The Brits and Germans would have contested for their Empires.